To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/27 13:29
Subject: Re: [K-list] Ego/ was carnivores/vegetarians.
From: Druout
On 1999/11/27 13:29, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 11/26/99 7:32:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, CKRESSATnospamaol.com
writes:
<< Having a self (aka "ego") in relationship (aka "attachment") to other
incarnate beings in this world (aka "gross plane") is considered an
honorable
and positive thing in the indigenous/shamanic traditions.
Dear El,
I agree that "ego" is a term that has an unfair negative connotation--I did
not intend my post to reflect that. I agree also that we should all do what
we can to right obvious wrongs the best we can.
My problem is that I can't seem to correlate the Samhadi experience and the
"everything is absolutely as it should be" with the pain and suffering in the
world at large. When I think about injustice, ecological harm, etc, I feel
that the samhadi experience is a luxury the world can't yet afford. On the
other hand I feel that it is only when we separate ourselves from the
present--that we refuse to see the oneness with junk mail, that we are
somehow part of the problem. I haven't personally resolved the
contradictions yet. But I do know that if I believe that as Angelique
stresses that "Goddess has it handled," that everything seems to fall into
place for me--surrendering to the idea that the burden isn't mine.
I'm not sure. Still struggling with it. That's why I responded to your post.
Love, Hillary
> Perhaps this is another case of the ego trying to reassert its dominance.
> Once our brains start "thinking" again, pain, fear and guilt and the belief
> that evil exists reappears--trying to negate the "truth" of the samadhi
> experience of oneness/love.
>
> Love, Hillary
El Wrote: << Both through experience and logic, "the samadhi experience of
oneness" is
non-dualistic and all-inclusive. Which means it can't be negated or
exclusive of anything, including suffering, thought, or anything that exists.
It's not an polarized either/or condition.
My ego was there when I merged with the consciousness of the samahi-trees and
it was there the next day when I got smashed by the realization that so many
were being killed for such idiotic purposes. I could have sworn that what I
felt for the trees on both days was love, but what does an ego-ramus like me
know?
Another thing: "ego" and "attachment" are primarily Eastern Patriarchal
religious terms. I notice they get hurled around liberally here, as if we
all agree that they're serious spiritual defects/obstacles. If someone were
to say, "Hey, that's a sin" or "You're violating the Sabbath day!" wouldn't
most people here consider that a matter of personal religious belief?>>
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