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Recieved: 1999/11/24 22:09
Subject: Re: [K-list] Divine Communion (Was sex-juice)
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/11/24 22:09, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear list members,
This is the response I wrote to Z's anonymous post, from a few days ago.
>Warning: another sexually descriptive post...please delete it now if you
>might find it disturbing...
Maybe, before you read this response, page down a few times to read Z..'s
post first. I think it is quite important, much of what she writes is so
close to the my male equivalent of her female experience of the cosmo-erotic
divine/male/female ecstasy.
Your experience is extremely important. It is unique AND... not unique, as
it is supposed to happen to every woman/divine. The comparable masculine
experience got me so much in contact with at first, Shiva, then Vishnu, then
Brahman (and more of those great ones over time) and eventually SELF in it's
full divinity/humanity (man/divine, god-man). The multi dimensional triangle
(some complex trinity crystal) played a strong role in it for me. My hands
were constantly doing triangle mudras and it would sometimes develop into
the most beautiful gracious dance. The 'Sri' yantra is connected to this.
The star of David, the tree of Jesse, Eve, saints could figure prominently.
In your case, you being a woman (bless god), there must be feminine
equivalents to the those male god/ancestors/men. Men have monopolized this,
women were always excluded from these peak experiences or had to play a
supportive or dependent role. Women were supposed to be dependent on men or
gods to realize themselves. That is all BS of course. Sorry, much of what I
write is not the right terminology, but I want to answer you quickly Yes,
get photo books on eastern or western (baroque?) art (access to a good
library?), most tantra books are good, get many, the text is very often not
important, the pictures are, relish pictures, statues, look for music that
moves your heart, dance. If you can afford it, go travel and find your holy
places, *not that you need to travel to find yourself*, that would be a
trap, it is for self recognition and corroboration only, celebration,
retrieval of old...scrap that... no, really eternal memories... If something
moves you to tears you are making contact.... Spoil yourself in this, but do
not splurge too much know your limits, I did not know them sometimes, my
wife luckily had so much understanding.
Please, Z, post some more. It would be wonderful if we would be able to get
the wonderful reality of the woman/divine spoken about openly on this list.
I am trying my best to do it for men. At some point I am sure man/'woman
divine will be celebrated on this list. Oh how I would love to meet in
divine oneness, communion...
The key is holiness. What you experience(d), to say the least, is a
wonderful primal/utmost mudra that is the equivalent of the mudras that I as
a man experience(d) when I went (go) through my utmost bliss. Yes, to keep
it grounded in the flesh, an initial enormous cosmic and eternal erection,
it felt like. Got me really unawares and by storm. Yes but it was my whole
body, participating in that cosmic communion. The divine.
You wrote:
>also feel that "someone's inside me" feeling when no one is there. (x) One
night when I was feeling the energies to the point of uncontrollable body
tremors and verbal sounds, I became aware of that "dickly" feeling as if
someone was inside me.
IMPORTANT. If anybody suggests that what you term as "someone", is the ghost
or spirit of some being or creature that tries to posses you etc, do not go
into that. It does not work that way. This is where you keep it clean and
wholesome. The story of Eros and Psyche may be important, if you read it,
make sure that you transform any negative element. There is so much
beautiful art on this subject...
Dear Z, love love love.
Wim
PS. Her experience is the start of the ultimate SHIVA/SHAKTI communion.
Kamishvara/Kamisvari in the Soma Chakra and more.
I weep with ultimate happiness and delight, just as I type these words.
There is so much to this, will keep you posted as my experiences become
relevant to the list to divulge. All in due time.
Compare Chakras: Energy Centers of Transformation Harish Johari / Paperback
/ Published 1988. Especially his notes on the SOMA chakra. This book is
extremely important, and sometimes very accurate, especially on nectar.
Without this book I would have been in 'La La Land'. Kundalites should take
much of that book very seriously, it is the best rework of Hata Yoga
Pradipika. Some of his other work is not as pertinent.
There are some beautiful statues on this cosmic divine communion in Tantric
art. Ajit Mookerjee in his books should have some of this available from his
gallery in India.
Art of Tantra by Philip S. Rawson / Paperback / Published 1985 has some
excellent art on this, much of it from Mookerjee.
FRANS MOENS, if you read this, could you make your Dutch translation of the
Hata Yoga Pradipika available in English. I found your Dutch rendition as
good as it could be, considering the complexity of the subject and lack of
proper and useful Dutch or English words.
I lost Frans' Moens e-mail address. If anybody remembers his could you
forward this post to him.
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* Percyfals's *
* Preamble *
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>Z. sent this post to Wim and me in response to our posts about sex
>juice...Wim and i had both expressed interest in learning more about the
>female equivalent of the male tantric experience...Z. was kind enough to
>reply about her experience...she chooses to remain anonymous, so i offered
>to post it anonymously for her...she will see any responses to her that are
>posted to the list...-percyval ]
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* Z's Post *
* Hi Fellas! *
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Yes I am a lurker now. I usually don't respond to the posts. This one in
particular caught my eye because of my own experiences that I really do not
wish to put out on the net at this time.
I am sending this personally to both John and Wim.
For starters, anything is possible. Everything is connected.
I don't know much about the particular subject of the effects of withholding
ejaculation and where it goes. However, I wish to share this true event
with you. If you have any insights on this one, please share. I think it
may at least confirm that this wonderful metamorphosis has a lot of pleasant
surprises.
(x) I have been taking notes on these events. There are others but this is
one I put in the computer already. X and I are no longer together but I did
experience some things with him I had not experienced before. I know there
is "more to come". (pardon the pun) ;-)
I have only known one other person years ago that I shared even close to
this with and we called it "couch potato sex" for lack of a better word.
Neither one of us understood at the time why it happened between us, just
that it did. Unfortunately he valued money more that people and I value
people more than money. It didn't work out.
I have noticed also that the more I bring the energies upward, the more my
ascention accellerates and I feel and look younger. I am fourty six but
most people are surpised to find that out. There was about a year period
after the death of my son-in-law where my K really lessened. During that
time my hair started to get a lot of gray. It does not have near as much
now.
I know there are benefits of abstaining and working with the energies. But
also, something inside me says that if I ever meet another awakened being
and form a relationship with them that it is possible to attain even more.
Frank and I did not have a solid relationship. We both knew it was
temporary. Yet many things happened that gives me hope that I may actually
have a chance to experience a unified and unconditional love with a
partnermate in all dimensions at once. Sounds like a big order but I know
it is possible. It's not even up for argument with me I am that sure of it.
***Oh yes, one more thing.*** This is also unusual from what I've heard.
When I have a cosmic orgasm, I wet myself. Sometimes a lot. Regular
orgasms I don't unless they reach the cosmic realm. Does this make any
sense? I also feel that "someone's inside me" feeling when no one is there.
Anyway, I have a digital camera and was curious. One night when I was
feeling the energies to the point of uncontrollable body tremors and verbal
sounds, I became aware of that "dickly" feeling as if someone was inside me.
My camera was right there so I started taking pictures. I can't see what
goes on down there and this was a way to find out. They didn't come out
with very good quality, but I captured what I wanted to. I could see myself
opening and could see very far up inside myself. How is this possible?
Anyway, I shared this with a friend who volunteered to take better pictures
if I wanted to. I was also curious if it would happen with someone else
there so I agreed. I layed down and "smiled" for the camera. I closed my
eyes and let it happen. Without any physical stimulation I shot a jet
across the room. I got my friend soaking wet. I was not even aware because
I was so deep into meditation. Well at least if no one believes me I have
proof. The picture came out great.
I hope you don't mind me sharing so openly. I find all of this beautiful
and facinating.
I've already said more than I intended so will close this now.
Love and Light,
Z...
(x) May we all be one. The key is love.
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