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Recieved: 1999/11/21 16:55
Subject: [K-list] Miracles and how to?
From: Tony O'Clery


On 1999/11/21 16:55, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:


Namaste Brothers and Sisters,

How do Sai Baba, Jesus and other Yogis perform
miracles and manifestations? That is rings, solid
gold statues, vibhuti, heal the sick, raise the dead
etc?
It has nothing to do with vampirising energy, from
others etc. It all has to do with risen awareness and
consciousness. I personally practice yoga but have no
desire to acquire or practice any Siddhis, even though
I am aware they are there. Jesus said,' all power
comes to he who has overcome', or close enough.

Patanjali in his Yoga-Sutra, chapter on Vibhuti-pada
goes into this quite a lot. Talking of Samyama, or
intense concentration and meditation on an object or
desire. In order to acquire siddhis, however intense
yogic discipline is required.

Sai Baba says that anyone can materialise objects, we
all have the same potential. He says it is a matter
of meditation and intense detailed visualisation.
There is no need to take energy from elsewhere. All
is one and the energy is one!

The level of one's consciousness determines the power
or Yogic-Siddhis. So the more one becomes everything
the more one can manifest anything. The siddhis
themselves are a distraction to spiritual advancement,
except in a Perfected Master. Around such people
miracles happen spontaneously, for what they think
instantly happens and what they say, must happen.

A big miracle is how a seed becomes a big tree or an
animal etc. Everything is a miracle the only
difference is Kala or time taken, that's all.

Many people have psychic powers at the lower level but
these can be obtained by opening even the lowest
chakras and mean little, spiritually.

However some non-yogic types also use spirits, who
help them manifest and apport. The lower planes are
full of spirits, pretas, captive souls etc, from the
time immemorial and from the Aztecs etc. Not
including ancient 'thoughtforms', that have built up
and can influence men's minds.
 By their deeds we shall know them! However most of
the manifestations and miracles are usually of a lower
order than those of Masters.

As Swami says, 'people come for tinsel and trash they
don't come for what I have come to show, Liberation
itself'.

Love and Sai Ram, Tony.

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