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Recieved: 1999/11/01 14:50
Subject: Re: Time (was Re: [K-list] RE: fate, destiny, subtle body and s
From: Martin Thompson
On 1999/11/01 14:50, Martin Thompson posted thus to the K-list:
13:23:42 Mon, 1 Nov 1999
Ville Vainio at Ville Vainio <vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi> writes:
>
>Deterministic model: Every moment dictates the configuration of the
>subsequent moment. Therefore, if event A leads to event B, event B happens
>IF AND ONLY IF event A has happened (when we experience event, or more
>correctly, state B, we know for sure that event A was before that).
That is a fair description of the deterministic model. However, we
cannot know for sure; we can only use inductive logic to presume that
that A preceded B because similar things seem to have happened in the
past and it fits with our world view.
>Therefore, everything between beginning and end of time is "known" by a
>hypothetic omniscient entity (or possibly a person in Samadhi).
Emphasis on the word "hypothetic" I suspect. But the fully
deterministic, billiard-ball theory of the Universe is well out of date:
it is fundamentally impossible for any being that needs to observe
reality to know all about it (Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle).
> So, the
>future indeed influences the past (taking that "influence" really means
>anything), but since there is no free will there is not much to be gained
>from this. We, as people, are only "sampling" the universe (everything) a
>moment ("now") at a time, but the everything is still out there.
>
>> totality, at worst, a complete illusion as one random but probabilistic
>> configuration of particles replaces another in no particular sequence
>> (how that can happen without time, I don't know).
>
>This interpretation seems worse because it is simply wrong.
>
It is consistent with quantum mechanics. Non-probabilistic determinism
is not.
>Non-determinism sucks.
>
I don't know about determinism, but causality as such was severely
restricted by Einstein, since events can be perceived in any order by a
suitably moving observer.
>> Maybe. Ambition is fun, anyway.
>
>No, it's not. It's an itch we can keep on scratching forever. And it's not
>too easy to totally get rid of it, either.
Maybe it isn't the game for you, then.
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