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Recieved: 1999/09/29 13:26
Subject: Re: [K-list] K: Agony and Ecstasy
From: Shy Person


On 1999/09/29 13:26, Shy Person posted thus to the K-list:

Hi Jerry,

I enjoyed your very well-worded post. It very much resonates with my
experience and understanding of the work of k. But it was not until I had
been on this list for sometime that I realized the pace of k is so
different for each person; some have a milder time of it.

Your words make me think of a quote by Gandhi, in a book I wish I had at
hand; he speaks of the need for continual awareness on the part of the
seeker of enlightenment of his or her weaknesses, areas for growth, etc.--a
balance of personal doubt with unerring faith. I will try to find this for
the list. Gandhi's rigorous path as a seeker of moksha contained much
anguish and suffering, after his k awakening at the age of 37, as he was
relentless in pursuit of a goal that did not include a sense of "me" or
"mine."

Jill

At 11:29 AM 9/29/99 EDT, GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com wrote:
> My own feeling is that given that we know that many great saints and
>mystics of the past had to suffer through hellish k experiences, how can one
>assume that a blissful k experience (so far) confirms that the experiencer
>has done more work or is in any other way superior to someone who is going
>thru a hellish k experience? From all of the
>supposedly great gurus who have fallen in recent years we can learn that
>apparently exalted spiritual states and achievements are often not all that
>they appear to be and often precede falls from grace. The surest indicator
>that such a fall is likely to occur is an inflated spiritual ego, which to
>me echos in the words " l for one had done my work...therefore bliss and joy
>are mine always..."

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