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Recieved: 1999/06/13 21:32
Subject: Re: [K-list] Subconscious/Unconscious
From: nancy
On 1999/06/13 21:32, nancy posted thus to the K-list:
Forwarded from the edited list. Please respond to
martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:06:24 +0100
From: Martin Thompson <martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk>
08:31:45 Fri, 11 Jun 1999
at kundalini-l-eATnospamonelist.com writes:
><< I would agree, strictly in terms of the usage of the words: the term
>"unconscious mind" is a contradiction in terms. A mind is by definition
>conscious. Do you have a mind when you are unconscious? >>
>
>I would answer by a question, do you have a body, to take an example,
>when you are unconscious?
>
I don't know whether I do or not; certainly, I am not aware of any body
when I am unconscious. Let's suppose, however, that I do have a body
when I am unconscious (although what it is that "has" a body is
unclear).
><< The whole essence of being unconscious is that your mind is not
>operating! So, references to the unconscious are to non-conscious
>things, i.e., things other than minds, or your own mind, anyway (since
>you are not generally consciously experiencing other minds directly).
>>
>
>Is our body something different than our own mind?
>
Yes and no, probably! At the most materialistic, non-mystical minimum,
the mind can be seen as a function of the body, rather than a material
thing in itself. Unconsciousness is, according to this definition, when
the mind-function is not operating. This definition applies equally to
things that are normally regarded as not having consciousness, such as
rocks, and empty space.
>By the way we answer those questions the meaning of the word
unconscious
>
>for one varies greatly.
Maybe so. A common definition is certainly necessary if people are not
going to be talking past one another. I propose the one above.
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