To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/01/12 13:45
Subject: [K-list] Death of Grampa (was Mr. Sweet & Clean)
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/01/12 13:45, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Oh Freda,
This post will not be easy.
Could you first find out if you could be a poor reader?
I wrote also:
>>I'm just freewheeling a bit here so don't take what follows as directed
against >>you or other people. Just throwing it (?), not in anybody's
direction, so no need >>to duck.
You did not duck, that's true, and you *were* safe.
I aimed away from you.
It (?) flew right past you.
What you ran into did not come from me.
What you got in the face was thrown earlier?
There is something else out there.
And somebody is trying to pin it on you.
If you saw what I wrote as a "nice lecture" (your words) why didn't.... /
I called it freewheeling...why di... /
At this stage, should we carry on this exchange?
Apparently there is something in between us that prevents us from conversing.
This should not be a sparring match.
If you would like to carry on this exchange, I would like you to read the
postings I made before. Otherwise we will get nowhere.
If it makes you dizzy, well that is sometimes intended.
Give in to it, you can only end up on the ground.
Foremost though: don't hold on to pet beliefs about:
reality
your illusion of illusion
"other lifetimes in-the-wait or not... " (Make up your mind at least.)
dead-ness,
death of the body,
"my reality" as in "I assure you I am real~ in my reality."
fear (for reality)
etc.
You are using cliches, they are not your realizations, get real, get
authentic.
Get dizzy, but no cliches no more.
Somebody threw them in your face, don't let them stick.
By the way:
Your grampa is not dead, you wrote yourself:
>....and when his death was near he spoke of his eagerness to move on....
Why do you want him so dead? You wrote:
>.... he IS dead
YOUR experiences with him have stopped.
YOUR memories about him have no follow-up.
He did not live for you...! He was eager to move on....
Do you actually care about HIM? (I know it sounds harsh)
>...He often spoke of the body being "the temple of god"
you said.
Well his temple is gone now, so let him find out that he is with God.
Let him move on, release him. He wants that...
He doesn't want YOU to *cling* to fysical life either,
especially not his fysical life.
Love living,
Love being a temple of god,
But loving is not clinging.
Grief is illusion, however painfull.
Suffering is illusion
If you want a cliche, use at least this one. (Buddha)
My sympathy is to you, and your inner pain.
That silent *you* who is suffering.
There is no pity for your DISPLAY of pain an suffering.
Compassion may not come across....,
There being something between you and the world around you.
That makes conversing difficult.
Make it come across, long for it.
You cannot afford your life as you live it much longer.
Your well-being is at stake.
Wim,
Maitreya
Your best friend
Is NowHere
PS
You wrote:
>I wasn't questioning my reality, were you?
>I assure you I am real~ in my reality.
Your last three words... actually the second of the three
The word MY contains a big capital "why".
You are questioning your reality...
Start finding....
Not the way out, ... way in.
Not easy, is it?
freda
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