1998/08/19 09:00
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #574
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 574
Today's Topics:
Re: feeling kinda crazy [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
kundalini experience [ "JOHN M STICKNEY" <SHEILATHORSONATnospampr ]
RE: feeling kinda crazy [ kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira K ]
e-mail address change [ "JOHN M STICKNEY" <SHEILATHORSONATnospampr ]
Re: Bubbles, Sadness, and Snow [ dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal) ]
Kundalini experience and address cha [ "JOHN M STICKNEY" <SHEILATHORSONATnospampr ]
Re: feeling kinda crazy [ CKRESSATnospamaol.com ]
Re: feeling kinda crazy [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Beyond Buddha [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Snakedreams [ OneBeingATnospamt-online.de (Dancing DaxAn ]
Awareness [ OneBeingATnospamt-online.de (Dancing DaxAn ]
Re: feeling kinda crazy [ "carrea" <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca> ]
Re: feeling kinda crazy [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: feeling kinda crazy [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Bubbles, Sadness, and Snow [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Bubbles, Sadness, and Snow [ dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal) ]
heart center [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:51:44 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
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>hi Janpa
> I too am going through the sadness during and after meditation, it is
this
>deep sadness....I sometimes carry it around with me the whole day, then
i get
>this pressurein my chest and it feels like I'm going to have a heart
attack.
yeah, me too on the heart center stuff, but i feel streams coming out in
all directions.
my teacher explained that the saddness was compassion, at least in my
case. that i can deal with. the practise of exchanging self and other
(tong'len) seems to help.
> I tell my guides to please take the feeling from me, the sadness
..sometimes
>it is too much for me. I'll feel like I want to cry wherever I'm at..
outside,
>inside, movies, amusement park...etc...the feeling just takes over and
also
>gets me into rotten moods and I'll snap at anyone, especially my
immediate
>family.
yikes! ya it can get to you, the best thing imo is to get centered. just
feel sad w/o getting 'into it'. Or i have some meditation practises that
my teacher has given me to do, and they help. i cant divulge what they
are, but they are like slipping into a comfortable place. Or a comfy
outfit by a fire. very soothing when my emotions tend to get too
ruffled.
> Lately I've been seeing little tiny bubbles in my field of vision...
they
>are little clear bubbles, but they are coming from everywhere. Makes me
feel
>as though I am floating in the universe..I was in the car yesterday and
all i
>kept seeing were these bubbles, like tiny cells floating everywhere, so
i took
>off my glasses and cleaned them, thinking they were dirty.. when i put
them
>back on the same thing happened. So I'm sitting near my husband and I'm
>looking into space like some kind of weirdo and looking through the
windshield
>in all directions to see if i could see them everywhere..of course I
could.
>Then my husband began to look to see what i was lookng at and then my
kids
>joined in. It was too funny. But everytime I looked at these bubbles I
felt
>like I was part of them.. I don't know, i cant describe the feeling.
first meditation retreat i did, i felt bubbles :) My whole body felt
bubbly and giddy. i never saw them tho, just felt the bubbliness :)
laughing gas bubbles :)
> Sorry to get off track with what this post was about Janpa....but
just
>wanted to let you know that you are not alone with your feelings of
sadness..
>they do come and go, one day happy, one day sad and then one day happy
and
>sad..Sheesh!!
we are made of tears. tears of sad and tears of glad. sometimes its best
to be an eyeball and just be aware of them without letting them rule
you. hope that makes sense.
maitri (lovingkindess in Sanskrit)
--janpa tsomo
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:49:56 -0000
From: "JOHN M STICKNEY" <SHEILATHORSONATnospamprodigy.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: <sheilathorsonATnospamprodigy.net>
Subject: kundalini experience
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Dear Vikas,
Sorry for not answering you earlier, but I have been remiss at checking
my E-mail lately. I am so happy about your letter. I was only meditating
for about 3 months prior to this experience. I learned from a yoga
instructor and took both private as well as group classes in meditation. I
have always been involved with religion and spirituality almost ever since
I can remember. I began studying astrology at the age of 11. I spent alot
of time in prayer as a child. This was all self-motivated. I had in many
ways a traumatic childhood and adolescence. Perhaps this had something to
do with my experience. Maybe it was God's way of helping me to hang in
there. I don't know. I felt absolutely no fear. I was out of my body in an
instant and it was a totally rapturous experience. I can relate so much to
much of what you described. The unconditional love I felt helps me to
understand that that is why we are all here, to learn to love others in the
same way. And ourselves also. I am currently reading Living With Kundalini
by Gopi Krishna and am enjoying it immensely. I also looked down at my body
during this experience and saw the entire room all at once. I loved the
floating feeling! I realized afterwards what a human creation time is. It
just didn't exist in the astral realm. I had no thoughts, just this
overpowering feeling of being totally loved. I wouldn't even have thought
of myself as being worthy of love of this magnitude. It was as strong as
the force that holds the planets in space. I will be careful of who to
trust . You can probably tell how much I've kept this to myself! When the
dam bursts, it really bursts! Please write back. I feel that we are kindred
spirits in a special way. Much love,
Sheila
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:21:03 -0700
From: kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (kundalini-l)
Subject: RE: feeling kinda crazy
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Gislenne wrote:
> I too am going through the sadness during and after meditation, it is
this
> deep sadness....I sometimes carry it around with me the whole day, then
i get
> this pressurein my chest and it feels like I'm going to have a heart
attack.
I've had feelings of anger manifest after meditating daily for the last
year. Unrelated to this, I've entered therapy and had to work a lot with
my suppression of anger. I found that I kept the anger in my shoulders
(physical manifestation) and that corresponded to another meditation
occurrance. Whenever I meditate and lose centre my shoulders (muscular
tension) obsess me. That the feelings in my shoulders is related to my
suppressing anger, and that I am very aware of feeling anger after
meditating and that my shoulders are very tense while meditating, all
told me that I have a lot of pent-up anger to learn to experience without
attachment.
Some of the descriptions of this sadness people relate they've felt sound
dissimilar, but it may be the case for one or two of you that it's
reflective of a release of deeply feared emotional states due to
"successful" meditation.
-Kyira
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:27:28 -0000
From: "JOHN M STICKNEY" <SHEILATHORSONATnospamprodigy.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: <sheilathorsonATnospamprodigy.net>
Subject: e-mail address change
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Dear Friends who wrote about Kundalini experiences,
My address will be changing in a few days. Please write me at
sstic60322ATnospamoal. I look forward to hearing from you.
Love,
Sheila
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:39:20 EDT
From: dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bubbles, Sadness, and Snow
Message-ID: <19980818.180349.7390.0.dax23ATnospamjuno.com>
Greetin's Kundalini Klan,
Me has also been in the Sadness. Over the years it be a
grabbin' me outer awareness and embracin' me. I was always a lookin' fer
some particular reason from me life ta explain it.
When a frin' of mines mother passed on, I was with her as she
delt with the grief and sadness. It did occur ta me that what she
was a goin' through be like what I have been experiencin' off and
on in me. It be that deep fer me at times., only it did not have an
outer frame of referrence. So me did realize that this be a sense
of loss on a deep level that me process be a puttin' me in touch
with. Methinks it be about a feelin' separated from me Source,
an' me does not know fer sure, but only that me soul be a weepin'.
Bubbles I have seen me whole incarnation. The awareness of
them would seem ta come on its own.
I also have off and on seen what looks like snow a rainin' I
noticed that I could see this when me eyes were not focused upon
anythin' in particular. I decided that it be a rainin' Light, just
outside of normal sight. I kin see it easily when I defocus me
vision and hold the feelin' of it in me awareness.
Well, God's Grin be in ye,
Ahau Akbal
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:55:51 -0000
From: "JOHN M STICKNEY" <SHEILATHORSONATnospamprodigy.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: <sheilathorsonATnospamprodigy.net>
Subject: Kundalini experience and address change
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Dear Vikas,
Hi! Me again. I just wanted to write again to let you know that my e-mail
address is changing to sstic60322ATnospamaol and to tell you that I would love to
know what you learned during your kundalini experience. Please share this
with me as best you can. I will be taking T.M. lessons from a
Transcendental Meditation center here soon. I'm looking so forward to it. I
hope you write to me soon at my new address. Can you believe someone
e-mailed me wanting me to write a book?! I have written 2 books;an
international cookbook and an illustrated book of children's poetry. This
is wild. Well, I'll sign off now.
Love,
Sheila
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:49:11 EDT
From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
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Sharon wrote about her profound sadness during her experience of the absolute
aloneness of the One Self. I had the same reaction to my God realization
experiences thirty years ago. The lack of "others" to connect to was
devastating. At the same time, I understood that unbearable Primal Aloneness
was God/dess's reason for creating the realms of multiplicity. In this
understanding, I was overwhelmed with the most intense and all inclusive love
and gratitude for every particle of creation.
For years afterwards, I read everything I could find on the God/Self
awakening, trying to come to terms with the grief and paradox of my lasting
sense that nothing was real and knowing, as Suzuki Roshi has so precisely
expressed it, "All is God and there is no God."
In THE ULTIMATE TRANSFORMATION, Dr. R.P. Kaushik says: "Most yogis who went up
to this level came down and rested in the heart center. Only in that center
can you stay in a state of relationship to the rest of the world, as other
human beings -- not high, distant, withdrawn from the rest of humanity.
Though you have gone to the highest, yet you come down and rest in the heart
center."
Learning to rest in the heart center has comprised the remainder of my
spiritual journey thus far...
Shanti,
El
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:28:26 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
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El,
Thank you so much for this letter. I can't tell you what it means to me.
And I write this with tears in my eyes.
Love to an other,
Sharon
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From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
>Sharon wrote about her profound sadness during her experience of the
absolute
>aloneness of the One Self. I had the same reaction to my God realization
>experiences thirty years ago. The lack of "others" to connect to was
>devastating. At the same time, I understood that unbearable Primal
Aloneness
>was God/dess's reason for creating the realms of multiplicity. In this
>understanding, I was overwhelmed with the most intense and all inclusive
love
>and gratitude for every particle of creation.
>
>For years afterwards, I read everything I could find on the God/Self
>awakening, trying to come to terms with the grief and paradox of my lasting
>sense that nothing was real and knowing, as Suzuki Roshi has so precisely
>expressed it, "All is God and there is no God."
>
>In THE ULTIMATE TRANSFORMATION, Dr. R.P. Kaushik says: "Most yogis who went
up
>to this level came down and rested in the heart center. Only in that
center
>can you stay in a state of relationship to the rest of the world, as other
>human beings -- not high, distant, withdrawn from the rest of humanity.
>Though you have gone to the highest, yet you come down and rest in the
heart
>center."
>
>Learning to rest in the heart center has comprised the remainder of my
>spiritual journey thus far...
>
>Shanti,
>El
>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:31:59 +0100
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:56:55 -0700
From: OneBeingATnospamt-online.de (Dancing DaxAne)
To: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Snakedreams
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HelloHugs to everyone ....
Katharine, you wrote: "Now that I think of it I should of known better
as
the snake was green/white. Green being the colour of healing what I
have
done is avoided a healing. Stupid me! Next time I have a snake dream I
will hug the snake."
Probably your snake has visited you again in your dreams in another form
and you have already hugged it in your own way? It could be that the
kundalini then dressed herself into a for you less frightening form.
There could have been dreams of something in greenwhite, of a tree that
you hugged, of a long and winding street that you walked on, of an
elevator you were in or of houses and you looked through the various
windows. There are endless possiblities ...
In my dream the snake was in a lake. It had not been the first
waterdream. Waterdreams for me always have something to do with
emotions. Usually I had dreams of big waves coming towards me, but they
have stopped soon after the snakedream. In my snakedream I saw that I
was at the beginning afraid of my own emotions. I thought that I do not
know what is hidden there in the depth. The kundalini then helped me to
see that the "lake" is full of light. Later I had a dream of me dancing
on a huge wave into a calm ocean of light ... You see how many dreams
without snakes in can show what the kundalini is doing in you ...
Ravin, you wrote about a kobradream. I would say that the temple is your
lightbody and the kobra is the kundalini in there. This is a beautiful
dream. You asked me to share my experiences during the initial stage of
meditation. What exactly do you want to know? Do you want to hear about
the first rise of the kundalini? I am glad to share whatever anyone
likes to hear ...
It was after having spent a few weeks with a large group of disciples
together with our master in India. At the end of my stay I wanted to
express my gratitude for all the wonderful things I had experienced
there. There were always many people around him, but somehow I all of
sudden stood in front of him and he smiled at me. He radiated so much
love. I somehow managed to say a few words and then all of sudden did
not see anything any more. I stood there, I guess with open eyes, and
was experiencing nothing but a state of being. There were no form. It
was not nothing. It was an experience of silence and of beingness. Like
from very far away I felt someone pulling me out of that state. I
resisted as I liked it that all had gone and I just felt this ISness.
Then there was another, stronger pull and I gave in. I was bursting into
light, feeling fountains of energy flowing through me into the head and
from there into infinity. I saw light and divinity everywhere ... and my
master smiling at me with eyes like an ocean of eternal lovelight ...
LoveLightLaughter .... Ane
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:29:37 -0700
From: OneBeingATnospamt-online.de (Dancing DaxAne)
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Awareness
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Hi Paul and all ...
> Hi.
>
> As I am usually worried about not having enough awareness, I keep
> striving to get more of the stuff. But it's quite alarming.
All kind of worries are coming from the ego. The ego is judging you to
be bad or wrong or not spiritual. If you have the desire to be more
aware or of whatsoever, then the best you can do is surrender that
desire to God. This takes all worries from you ... The AllThatIs will
take care of it.
So I am
> wondering if that observation of not being aware is an ego thing, and
> that trying to be more aware is an ego thing.
Smiles ... See, when you are aware that you are not aware then you are
aware of that. You are aware! Whenever you are aware of something, let's
say of sadness as this is brought up also these days, or of some
emotion, or of worries, then it has already left you, otherwise you
wouldn't be aware of it.
So I am wondering, what
> might happen if I give up trying to be more aware. Maybe I will become
> less self-conscious.
I think this has something to do with the integration of opposite pairs.
We are learning to focus on something, and we are learning to let go. We
are doing and we are allowing. It is the integration of both. When we
are trying to hard, then there is probably a little bit of allowing to
be in the flow missing. And when we are only letting go, then it can end
in a passive state. We are experiencing all variations of opposite pairs
for to integrate them and for to transcend duality.
> Yesterday I found quite a deep peace but I wasn't really aware that I
> had. I felt very lightweight like all my limbs were weightless and not
> at all heavy, in fact there was practically none of the normal
> sensation of what I call `matter' at all.
This is really wonderful! I also had this experience quite often, both
with my own body and with the matter around me.
So I wonder if this `matter'
> is infact egoo manufactured by my mind.
I think so. We belief that we are solid ... We create our own reality,
we even create the aging of our body, and we can create our ascension
...
And when without restraint it
> seemed that observation of things that needed to be done were
> immediately without delay, and the necessary surprisingly gentle and
> gracious steps taken to carry out those things just sort of `happened'
> on its own like it wasn't even me doing it.
It was then spirit through you doing it, your own divinity doing it. You
were allowing the doing ... This experience of it happening without
delay is due to you acting no longer from 3D. You were no longer in the
linear time. Synchronicity events are alos coming from this state of
consciousness.
>
> Hmm, having said that I wonder if I have taken unawareness and
> accidently got it mistaken for something that's wrong, like that not
> being very aware is a terrible bad thing when in fact it could be the
> key. Being self-aware ain't anything good. It's a horrible state to be
> in really, self-conscious all the time, paranoid about everything, at
> war with everything,
To be selconscious does not mean that you are at war with everything. It
is true that the state of selfawareness can be felt like being horrible
if you have no guidance and if you do not know what it is and how to
deal with it. To be selfware is on stage of rising consciousness. What
you then can do when you feel not comfortable with it is to love
everything that you are aware of. This will then finally lead you into
unity consciousness.
hyper-sensitive to everyone,
Hypersensivity is sometimes going together with kundalini experiences.
If this is too strong, then some grounding is good, like working in the
garden, embracing a tree, doing some service to others ect.
and constantly
> looking at myself in a state of alarm and enstartlement. So I think
> "hey, I need more awareness", but that only seems to lead to the land
> of egoo. I wonder what's in the other direction, that place that I
> always rejected.
Smile .. Do not worry too much about your ego ... You are a divine
being, and your inner God will take care of everything. Trust into
yourself ...
Thank you for sharing these experiences and thoughts as they are
something we all are in from time to time ...
LoveLightLaughter Ane
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:45:12 -0400
From: "carrea" <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca>
To: <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
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At the same time, I understood that unbearable Primal Aloneness
>was God/dess's reason for creating the realms of multiplicity. In this
>understanding, I was overwhelmed with the most intense and all inclusive
love
>and gratitude for every particle of creation.
>Learning to rest in the heart center has comprised the remainder of my
>spiritual journey thus far...
>Shanti,
Hello Shanti,
Why just limit to the heart center? why need a center? when you can become
the "heart" of any situation you allow yourself to feel. When the concept of
energy, comes not to mean anymore than those of time and space. The concept
of chackras also come to lose their signification. Even the concept of
balance comes to vanish. Am i the Flow, or am I not the Flow, is not a
question anymore. But i can be if you want...
Antoine
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:13:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
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"...yet you come down and rest in the heart center."
Thank you so much (and to Sharon, too!) for articulating this. I was
reminded the other day that the point was to drop back down into my
body and feel deep gratitude for the gift of physical life, without
which I never would have begun looking for God in the first place.
I also wonder, though, if the alternating experience of one-ness and
sadness isn't also a sensation of the ego dissolving.
Holly
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:14:53 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com, hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: feeling kinda crazy
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>"...yet you come down and rest in the heart center."
>
>Thank you so much (and to Sharon, too!) for articulating this. I was
>reminded the other day that the point was to drop back down into my
>body and feel deep gratitude for the gift of physical life, without
>which I never would have begun looking for God in the first place.
>
>I also wonder, though, if the alternating experience of one-ness and
>sadness isn't also a sensation of the ego dissolving.
>
i like this :) settle in the heart feels exactly right.
i'd agree also that this is probably symptoms of poor little ego mind
running in fear. (ever have a weird panic attack? i went throught that a
few months ago) my teacher said something like when ego starts to feel
threatened it gets scared :).
this am i went into and bulldozed through the saddness. found myself
right in the heart. like the eye of a hurricane.
maitri,
--janpa
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:49:17 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Ahau Akbal" <dax23ATnospamjuno.com>
Subject: Re: Bubbles, Sadness, and Snow
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Dear Ahau,
>I also have off and on seen what looks like snow a rainin' I
>noticed that I could see this when me eyes were not focused upon
>anythin' in particular. I decided that it be a rainin' Light, just
>outside of normal sight. I kin see it easily when I defocus me
>vision and hold the feelin' of it in me awareness.
>
This could describe what I've seen too, since I was small. I would
try to focus in on the dancing dots, and I found they were colored
and swarming in patterns. I was really working hard on this exercise
and succeeding, somewhat. Then, I told my mom I could "see the air".
After that I stopped doing this for a while, because my mom told me
she was taking me to the eye doctor! It's only on this list that
I've found others that see this stuff! Adults, it is said, stifle
much of the second sight of children. When I was small (6 or 7), I
also saw my grandfather, who was deceased before I was born, walk out
of a picture. He sat down and played checkers with me. To this day,
I have no idea whether the checkerboard was physical or astral. I
guess my grandpa wanted to know me.
BTW, my eyes are normal, according to the optometrist!
Cathy
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:55:21 -0600
From: dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bubbles, Sadness, and Snow
Message-ID: <19980819.095526.9870.3.dax23ATnospamjuno.com>
Greetin's M'Lady Cathy, List folks,
The Kundalini has been a openin' in me gradual like fer years
now. As it has worked its way in me, me vision of the 'inner'
has increased. Me kundalini opened first on me lunar channel
which greatly opened me receptivity to the subtle sensin' o' thin's.
I have seen 'inner' folk, and such, so I know what ye be a sayin'
about ye granpapa.
With me solar side a kickin' in now, I be a goin' through some
physiological changes that have been somewhat stressful.
Me outer vision has been fluctuatin' and I thought that I
might hafta look up an eye doc, until me didst realize that it
be the kundalini a workin' again.
It be good ta have this list here so that there be a place ta
discuss these thin's.
God's Grin to ye all,
Ahau Akbal
ChairBeing of D.O.O.F UM
DIVINE ORDER OF FOOLS UM
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:49:17 -0400 "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
writes:
>Dear Ahau,
>
>>I also have off and on seen what looks like snow a rainin' I
>>noticed that I could see this when me eyes were not focused upon
>>anythin' in particular. I decided that it be a rainin' Light, just
>>outside of normal sight. I kin see it easily when I defocus me
>>vision and hold the feelin' of it in me awareness.
>>
>This could describe what I've seen too, since I was small. I would
>try to focus in on the dancing dots, and I found they were colored
>and swarming in patterns. I was really working hard on this exercise
>and succeeding, somewhat. Then, I told my mom I could "see the air".
>After that I stopped doing this for a while, because my mom told me
>she was taking me to the eye doctor! It's only on this list that
>I've found others that see this stuff! Adults, it is said, stifle
>much of the second sight of children. When I was small (6 or 7), I
>also saw my grandfather, who was deceased before I was born, walk out
>of a picture. He sat down and played checkers with me. To this day,
>I have no idea whether the checkerboard was physical or astral. I
>guess my grandpa wanted to know me.
>
>BTW, my eyes are normal, according to the optometrist!
>
>Cathy
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:42:35 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: heart center
Message-ID: <35DABA2B.9E02584CATnospammhonline.net>
>From Teilhard de Chardin,
"Heart of the world's heart
focus of ultimate and universal energy,
center of the sphere of cosmogensis,
Heart of Jesus,
Heart of evolution . . .
unite us to Yourself."
More Light to you all.
+ Maureen
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