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1998/06/10 18:43
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #448


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 448

Today's Topics:
  Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
  semantics...and the origin of myth?? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
  posting suggestion... [ "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.co ]
  Avatarinventory [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
  Re: ENOUGH of the Avatar [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
  The opposite of love [ jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu (Jenny) ]
  Bandwidth reminder.. please pay atte [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
  Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
  Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
  a second to jenny's motion [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
  Re: Easy! [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
  chakras [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
  Re: posting suggestion... [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
  Atuning [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:33:11 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <199806102337.AAA03711ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>

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> From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 9:45 PM
>
>
> Yea. I theorised about a year or two ago that there is only degrees of
> love. Right at the bottom in `hell' there is a thinned/compressed
> love, but it is still love, but then everything from thereon up is an
> imporovement. Ie, not to look down on it from above, but up from
> below. Maybe that's still ego though.

There doesn't exist any dark night of the soul. The truth is that there's
only very little light there. Consider the symbolism in the fact that
during the crucifiction of Jesus (the pearls diving into the Abyss), all
the disciples *slept*. All chakras was inactive, expect one: The Love
Chakra, symbolized by John as the sole witness.
 
> I still think that basic universal laws apply at ALL levels. For
> example, ALWAYS you see yourself. Regardless of wether you are
> projecting major ego or glimpsing heaven, you always see yourself.
> There is only self. Major universal law. Man made in the image of God
> - the macro and micro levels, but still essentially self.

Again, God never punish and can never do. Man punish himself by trying to
circumvent Universal Laws. The Law is the Love ! Ever considered the
coinciding similarity in these words spellings ? They are Yang and Yin.
Therefore, project to mankind: Stop punishing yourself ! Your little ego is
allready forgiven by your Self. Love Your Self for having forgiven your
self. The Self in the criminal, is just as Divine as the Self in Jesus /
Sananda, or his teacher Maitreya. None is an expection from the Law. None
is an expection from the undconditional Love.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:15:34 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: semantics...and the origin of myth???
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Hi,

Remember Washoe? She was the chimp who learned sign language and who called
a water melon "drink fruit." Washoe, who is thirty-two now, adopted a chimp
son named Loolis. She taught him to sign, too.

Living in the home of their keepers, the two apes have observed holidays
with great interest. Washoe and Loolis have agreed on the names of those
holidays. Thanksgiving, to them, is "Bird Meat"; Christmas is "Candy Tree."

Washoe and Loolis communicate with each other with great precision and no
apparent argument.

Neither claim to be avatars.

:-)

Love,
Sharon
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:45:51 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: posting suggestion...
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>How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not
>normal. That's not what I expected.

It seems that you have discovered that by writing things down you have a
way of releasing them. I often find catharsis/relaxation when I write in
my private journal about experiences and realizations. I sensed this from
you very long continous posts that have been appearing.

As a suggestion to aide your awakening process and to cut down on bandwith
occupied on the mailing list: keep a daily journal. Write down everything
that you've been posting these thoughts and experiences and exciting events
in your life. This will help you process everything. Then pause. You've
written down the realization let it settle and let experiences come. Learn
from the writing and the experiencing process. Finally after 2 to 3 days
have passed re-read the journal and decide what you would like to post of
it. Ask the questions that are still there... Share the crux of the
experience if it's still as exciting. Eventually you'll discover which
experiences are subjectively exciting(exciting to you), objectively
exciting(exciting to everybody on the list), and universal(most people have
gone through it.)

I especially appreciated your brief posts with questions as opposed to your
long expository posts.


On the issue of ego and size of ego I wouldn't worry too much... If I
remember correctly from an earlier post you are around age 19. This is a
very important time in ego development, when you are developing a sense of
who you are and separation from your parents(at least in American society,
I'm not sure about the UK but it probably holds). If I remember a teaching
correctly until about age 30 much of your energy will be spent building a
sense of self. This is natural and biological. I'm still going through
this myself. The secret is not to fight with your ego or to attempt to
crush it, you don't have the life experience, the practice or the tools yet
to do this. Instead, try to watch it, observe it, see when it manifests,
guide it, mold it and not let things get too out of hand. Later I think it
will be a little easier.

  Dan M.
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:37:55 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Avatarinventory
Message-ID: <000601bd94c8$cb92af80$486335c3ATnospamjb>
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Dear Kundalites,

Regarding the "use" of the word avatar, many companies have their own
definition, a search will reveal hundreds of entries (I stopped at 1664,
some are using the classical meaning). A few examples:

http://www2.magmacom.com/~gerryp/howtoav.html

http://www.avatar-moving.com/

http://www.avatar.nl/eng/agenda/avatar.html

http://www.avatartech.com/

http://www.avatarsearch.com/

http://www.avatar.co.uk/beta.htm

So the addition of just another use / definition can't be that important. It
is like the use of a double name - extra typing. The Indian community here
named many of their shops with the word guru, like Satguru electronics or
Satguru tax-free shop. If they are using this word to name a shop, aren't we
trying to be holier than the pope himself?

Jan
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:43:18 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: ENOUGH of the Avatar
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I've been patiently reading and deleting these posts from and about
Avatar Thyer. My conclussion...who the hell really cares what this guy
calls himself? Angelique likes to call herself the serpent, Ed is known
as the lobster, I seem to remember a guy a while back who called himself
the ox. No one seems to have a problem with these words.

People aren't sending mountains of email to lobster asking him if he is
under some sort of delusion. "Yo, Ed, you may be a bit rosy and crusty,
but buddy, if you can type, you ain't no lobster."

Why does Avatar Thyer have to conform with "dictionary" definitions? Why
does it have to be a big ego thing? If it makes sense to him, just
f*ATnospam&ing accept it! Jeez!

Avatar Thyer, I appreciate that you can express yourself and not be
thwarted by peer pressure. I'm going to take your lead on this post and
sign off as...

The Lord of All Creation,
Nancy
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:21:56 -0500
From: jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu (Jenny)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The opposite of love
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Hi Magne Aga--

I think maybe the opposite of love is fear.... and fear is the moment in
which love is forgotten.

By the way, I haven't had time lately to respond to your posts in the
detail I would've like to.... I just wanted to take this opportunity to say
that I really enjoy readign your posts and hearing what you have to say.

Someone referred to you as being male, for some reason I had been thinking
you were a woman... I'm sorry to say I don't know for sure which gender you
are... would you mind enlightening me on this subject?

thanks

Jenny
>
>Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the
>OPPOSITE of Love.
>
>
>------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:13:05 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Bandwidth reminder.. please pay attention..
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  Hello All:
    It is not yet evening where I am at, and already the list's abundance
today has overflowed 5 digests.. we have been running 4 digests a day all
week.
  That's about 160k so far today.. and the day is not yet over..
   too much, eh??
  So I deleted some of the posts I had written to send..
  I invite you all to do the same.
    Blessings, List Mystress.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:56:36 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
Cc: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
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At 12:08 AM 11/06/98 +0200, Magne Aga wrote:
>
>Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the
>OPPOSITE of Love.
>
  The opposite of love is not hatred, anger, spite or fear.. these are
passionate emotions..
  The opposite of love is apathy.
     Blessings, Mystress.

>
>
>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:52:00 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>,
 "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <199806110052.UAA10002ATnospamsandia.aug.com>

Love, per se, is just an ideal abstraction. Love manifests uniquely
in each person according to their own uniqueness and pattern of
development. Thus, I would think, the opposite of 'love', in any meaningful
sense, is also unique and changeable in each person.

Smiley :-)
----------
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Magne Aga wrote:
>
>Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the
>OPPOSITE of Love.
>
  The opposite of love is not hatred, anger, spite or fear.. these are
passionate emotions..
  The opposite of love is apathy.
     Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:03:59 PDT
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: a second to jenny's motion
Message-ID: <19980611010359.26982.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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YES!!! JENNY!
  i knew all along i couldn't possibly be the only one annoyed at
rereading 4, 5, maybe occasionally 6 times what felt like entire posts
verbatim. thank you jenny.
     semi-(demi?) lurker who has been put in her place
  . barb (w/o the "i")


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:20:59 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Easy!
Message-Id: <199806110121.VAA24956ATnospamsandia.aug.com>

Dear Avatar Paul,
 As i mentioned in a previous note, I read all your posts and
take you more seriously then you may suppose. I do believe you
are grossly misunderstood by a number of people.

 What I see in your writing is a minute description of the
*hidden* thoughts we all might think, but cannot see or admit
exist. As I said before much observation of your ego is not an ego
manifestation, but awareness coming from a higher source looking
at the ego. Perhaps it is not consistent and may require some effort
to achieve consistency...which is my own praxis...but I sure am glad
you did not leave the list. You have much to teach Avatar Paul.

Smiley :-)
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Avatar Paul West wrote:
I have to admit that my ego is a nightmare. I am a nightmare. I love
ease. I am so lazy. I would rather have others decide things for me,
and they'd better make a decision I like! I find it so easy to write
stuff. But, for some reason, it is all crap. How unfortuante, that I
am so competent. I am so up for the good life - ideal peopls, ideal
circumstances. It is, in fact, so easy for me to speak and write, it
is astounding. And yet, nothing I say seems to be real nor
demonstrates humility. No wonder I never really knew what that word
meant.

I am complacent, and not the slightest bit greatful. I don't say
please or thankyou or hello or goodbuy. I manipulate everything to
suit myself and try to induce others to entertain my ideals. How lovel
that I find things so easy, so able, so plenty-gifted with
competativeness. Nice of God to give me such wonderful ease. Not.

On the other hand, there is another nightmare. Love is distant and
obscure. I don't know how to give. I am uptight and stubborn and lost
in the past. Reality seems horrifying just as much as is my
non-reality. I can't exist with or without. I am at a loss. There is
no way out. Nowhere to turn. A sabotaged lonelyness.

It is so easy for me to put things into words, those `higher states',
those `wisdoms'. So easily I express. But at the same time, it's all
crap. All a pile of poop. It has no meaning, no power. So empty. I get
inflated with emptyness sometimes, makes me feel like I'm squashed
inside myself. I can't put anything wise of humble down on paper or
say it with me mouth because it's too hard.

Oh such is the bliss of things being easy. A man of leisure. Entertain
me with what I want you to look like! Sitting on my arse stuffing
my face waiting for someone else to sort out my affairs. Rose tinted
glasses, deep, deep dark rose tinted glasses. Everything is rose
coloured. Or maybe red, like hell. But it is impossibly hard being
like this, and yet the alternative seems impossibly hard also. This is
a nightmare!

I am posessive, and obsessive, and deceptive. Lots of I've, lots of
things that `I've become. I've never had it so good! Or so bad. I want
it better! I am so... promiscuous with myself. A tart. Vain and
selfish. I care about what other people think and feel... about me. I
want answers, I seek them always. I have nearly got it figured out
now, I have nearly got it all sewn up. I know how it all works. It's
so easy for me to see all of this. That way things are.

Why can't I just look upon things like a man instead of a child. I'm
unprepared to have badness in my world. So unhuman, so rejecting of
humanity or interaction with it. Eugh, yuck, horrible people, ugly and
cheap and disorderly. That's me, that is.

How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not
normal. That's not what I expected.

--
Paul.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:34:29 PDT
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: chakras
Message-ID: <19980611013429.4443.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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  hi,
i can.t remember where i read it, but someone , this year i believe,
wrote about chakra no. 41/2. if i remember correctly the writer said it
was on the right side of the chest. well mine is on the left side of my
chest, over approx. 11/2 in. from where the heart chakra is supposed to
be. i have felt it open many times., can also feel the chakra above my
head , the entrance to heart chakra between my shoulder blades, and very
weird the one in the air behind it.
      i hope others respond telling you their experiences also.
 'loha, barb


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Date: 11 Jun 98 01:28:52 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: posting suggestion...
Message-Id: <357F32D3.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>

Dan,

> >How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not
> >normal. That's not what I expected.
>
> It seems that you have discovered that by writing things down you have a
> way of releasing them.

Much to everyone else's peril, this has always been the case.

> I often find catharsis/relaxation when I write in
> my private journal about experiences and realizations. I sensed this from
> you very long continous posts that have been appearing.

Yes. My long writing is a competitive thing. But it also makes it
easier for me to reflect on things. I'm very reflective,
contemplative. I usually read through everything I write at least
once, if not to check spelling then to just take in what I've written
and to try and make it better. Mystress Angelique was a little quick
to think that I did otherwise. :) I am the sort of person who becomes
empathic with things, /understands/, ie becomes mediumistic of, shares
in the experience of things. I can't help but do it. Maybe it is a
barrier problem. All the same, I therefore find myself trying to see
myself in others, trying to see the things that are beautiful about me
in others, and so have a tendency to have to receive my comprehension
from the outside inwards, given by others. Hense the ease in which
that which is inside of me equates to that which is outside of me. I
don't /express/ myself, I reflect on myself. Expression is aggression
to me. I like to see the truth of myself in other people, in other
things. I have this attitude towards everything. People, nature,
words, imagination.

> As a suggestion to aide your awakening process and to cut down on bandwith

;)

> occupied on the mailing list: keep a daily journal. Write down everything
> that you've been posting these thoughts and experiences and exciting events
> in your life. This will help you process everything.

My psychological reality is that I do tend to use mailing lists, chat
echo's, IRC channels, whatever, as such a place. A living diary in a
way. I know other people find it annoying, but we're not supposed to
be seperate people anyway are we? If we're at-one..

> from the writing and the experiencing process. Finally after 2 to 3 days
> have passed re-read the journal and decide what you would like to post of
> it. Ask the questions that are still there... Share the crux of the
> experience if it's still as exciting.

I could do this. But I don't see it likely happening. That sounds like
a very physical way of going about things, in the sense that a person
would have to be seperate of physicality in order to relate to it in
that way. I am atuned with things, I am sympathetic of things,
understanding, empathic, mediumistic, as I said before. I do not feel
the same way about physicality. I do not feel very seperate of it. I
feel differently depending on my environment. I adapt. I don't know if
people can understand this, what it's like, and therefore how valid or
righteous it is or isn't. But I do not feel like a physical
individual.

> I especially appreciated your brief posts with questions as opposed to your
> long expository posts.

More to come.
 
> On the issue of ego and size of ego I wouldn't worry too much... If I
> remember correctly from an earlier post you are around age 19.

I am 23. But what you went on to say still applies.

--
Paul.

IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
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Date: 11 Jun 98 02:41:28 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Atuning
Message-Id: <357F3FB5.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>

:

To me, people of the world are very seperate. Their relationship with
the world seems to be on a very outward, physical level. Either this
seperation is my projection or a detatched view of theirs.

Somewhere in the equation one of us is seperated from the rest. People
seem to have definite boundaries as to where they stop and the other
person starts. I do not. I call this being atuned. It is not without
its problems.

Sitting alone, on a hill, away from civilisation, just being there,
comes naturally to me. I don't do anything while I'm there. Somebody
comes along with their "that's a tree, that's a bush" attitude,
spoiling it all, spoiling the peace, the serenity, the simple being,
with their `long term plans' and their careers and massive physical
accumulations. I call this being out-of-tune. Their non-atunement is
frightening.

To me, people out-of-tune treat the world as something seperate of
themselves. Nothing is sacred to them. They want careers, to earn lots
of money, to have a big house and car, to be entertained and respected
based on their career-status. This means nothing to me. It is
offensive. It is like part of the whole is lashing out at itself. Why
aren't they atuned? Why aren't they one? Why do they seem righteous?
Why do they take /so/ long beating around the bush to arrive at
nothing much at all?

Physicality to them is like something they don't know. It's something
to exploit, something to serve them. They have so much self, it
frightens me when they come along and disturb everything. They are so
uncalm, so ill-at-ease. They are thrill-seekers, risk-takers,
demanders of relationship at a physical level. What of the
relationship that is oneness, that is being, that is atunement or
at-onement?

They are so convincing, with their command of the world. They use and
abuse their bodies without effort. They are complacent with
themselves. They have no faith. They are loud and rude and
self-oriented. They are seperate, individual packages. I do not and
cannot feel this way. I am not as self conscious as they. I am not so
much a seperate individual as they. They are fragmented. They are
selfish.

I do not understand the supposed meaningfulness of their extensive
vocabulary and terminology. I am simple. I do not go through life in
the same way that they do, in which everything is a big physical
hurdle. Their hurdles to me are /huge/, tremendously external, and not
terribly necessary. They are impractical, unwise, unkind. They are not
at all gentle, they do not distinguish lust from love.

I am vulnerable to their attack. I have no defence. I have no shield
or barrier of self to fend them off. But they seem so solid, so
`there', so much a finite part, and I seem so undefined, so here, so
whole. They have no common-unity, no joy, no appreciation of beauty.
And what's the big deal with them about words? They must think me
clumsy with the words they have so aptly defined. What of simplicity?
Is simplicity only a brand of sanitary towel?

They expect answers, they demand them. They force them out of you with
their assertions and suggestions. They suggest that you are
something and you are it. They are irresponsible. They use words to
say something and yet psychologically are something else. And their
psyche is so much more offensive with its self-orientation. They live
life to the full, and yet they are dead-weight. They are cut off from
each other. They go through years of unnecessary `relationship' rarely
to arrive at anything you could call love or freedom or
non-attatchment. They are so clingy to each other, such owners of the
physical.

They don't own it. Nobody does. Why do they come along and spoil it
all? Why do they do that? It's not very nice. They have no awareness
of nature at all. A tree is `just a tree', a bush is `just a bush',
just paraphenalia in their lives, dead. They are so violent, so
physical, so locked in the physical way of being. There is no
intuition, no intelligence, no insight, no wisdom, no love, no tact,
no compassion. Their self has no virtue, no meaning.

Sitting on the hill, wind gentle, sun warm, I had to leave. Repulsed
by the attention-seeking motorbike kids who just arrived to see how
well to churn up the ground. Huhuhu, so funny. Not. What are they that
they have no union with the earth? What are they that man-made things
are more important?

Such are the demands, the demand to be `a productive member of
society'. The demand to have a social life? A social death moreso. How
can lifting a pint in a pub with a mate be relationship when they are
completely seperate people? How can bickering with a private chosen
other half be relationship? What of everyone else that is excluded?
People have become a plague, a disease, and when they are near I am as
them and feel the disease also. And it is horrible, sad, loathing. I
cannot shut them out. I cannot put up walls of self. So they trample,
and I see why they trample, and I feel sad for them just as for me,
because the two are one.

This is what it is like to be atuned, to be fundamentally less defined
as a self than the rest of humanity. This is what it is like to be as
of a collectivity. This is what it is like to be subject to the
irresponsibility of others. This is life. I would ask that there be
understanding. Sometimes people do not realise that I simply have to
use the same language, the same words, to talk with them. It does not
mean I exist with the same level of self, the same degree of defining
walls, the same seperation from the one. I ache for this not to be
replaced with how it sounds on their ultra-physical, ultra-seperation
level.

What of ther civilisation? What of techology and science that is never
satisfied? They advance in the name of time and in the name of removal
from what is. They take so long to grow, such time to find themself.
Their priorities are all different, all wrong. A car is more important
than a person. A house is more important than food for the needy.

There is no humanity in them, no sense of the fullness of what it is
to be human, to accept all levels, to be transcendent. They would not
touch a lepper. They have no holisticity in their lives. No
synchronicity, no guidance, no intuition, no meaning, no purpose.

"We're only alive once so make the most of it" they say. In other
words exploit it to the full and bleed it dry because they are unaware
of the eternal. What's the rush? What's the hurry? What's the panick?
Everything is such a big deal to them, and that for them is natural. I
am not like that to that degree.

They go places, they have their `career success', they become things,
become status and position. They spend all their life becoming things,
moving away from where they are. Where are they going? Why do I sense
desertion from them when they go unnecessarily? Truth is here, in the
atuning with the universe. They have such ambition, such will, such
confusion. They are complacent with their securities. What if things
change? They could not adapt. It would shatter them. Extinction would
meet them.

Atune.
Atone.

--
Paul.

IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk

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