1998/06/10 08:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #445
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 445
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: Words and Definitions [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Words and Definitions (Mystress) [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ Adon <shamaneyesATnospamyahoo.com> ]
The Aviator??:--) [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Question ? [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: our very own avatar (Anne) [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Words and Definitions (Ann M. Fi [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Re: Re: Something's bothering me... [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
RE: Kundalini [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: To corrupt beauty [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:56:06 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Words and Definitions
Message-ID: <76a99050.357e9077ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/10/1998, 6:03:08 AM, lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
The avatar may be true to his needs and completely incapable of
providing communication that enhances others understanding and moves them
forward. What they are sensing is someone who has the odour of a teacher -
but is just using deodorent.
Harsha: I snipped most of the Lobster's wise post although I hope everyone
will read the full text. Alan Perry made the following point with his
characteristic warmth which is worth noting as well.
Alan: We are all incarnations of the one spirit or God, so literally we are
all
avatars and you are quite justified in using the term for yourself. However,
in common English usage, the word is associated with the highest spiritual
beings that we know on Earth and therefore carries with it a special
reverence. Do you not think that over-use of the term 'avatar' would tend to
degrade it.....
Harsha: Ultimately, for all of us, the things we say and do evoke responses in
others and that in turn may propel us to respond in some way or another. If
this interaction can help us recognize the Silence within, that is beautiful.
God bless everyone with all that is best in life.
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:13 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating... (Alan)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980611100613.007b89b0ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
Alan wrote:
>We are all incarnations of the one spirit or God, so literally we are all
>avatars and you are quite justified in using the term for yourself. However,
>in common English usage, the word is associated with the highest spiritual
>beings that we know on Earth and therefore carries with it a special
>reverence. Do you not think that over-use of the term 'avatar' would tend to
>degrade it ( perhaps in the same way that the word 'Bhagwan' was degraded by
>Rajneesh)?
*****
To me, part of the problem is that the term *Avatar* is associated with
"the highest spiritual beings" -- as if any entity is "higher" in polar
comparison to another that is "lower", or "superior" in polar comparison to
another who is "inferior".
In my experience, I have noticed that those who run around telling others
that they are "lower" or "inferior" are the ones who really demonstrate Ego.
I have also noticed that those who run around groundlessly insisting that
others are trying to be "higher" or "superior" are also demonstrating Ego
because by groundlessly accusing another of a superiority complex, they are
attempting to Separate their target from being positive -- even if their
target clearly and repeatedly affirms Union.
So popular usage of the word *Avatar* as only refering to a specific kind
of rarified, higher, superior, being causes Avatarhood to become an
exclusive club for the snobbish elite, rather than an inclusive experience
for everyone.
I prefer to use the term to include everyone.
Rather than thinking that over-use will degrade the term, I think that
*exclusive use* will degrade the term. Because of this, I think that the
common way that it is used in English now is already degrogatory. I'm
slowly working on changing that by providing a positive, unionizing
alterative to current negative, separating form.
Unfortunately, lots of folks have been thoroughly programmed with the
negativem, separating use of the term that it triggers their own negativity
and they blindly pounce upon anyone who uses it.
Thanks for your letter, Alan.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
If you find your self reacting negatively to what I wrote in this letter,
take a deep breath, release the urge to negate, and slowly re-read what I
wrote. I use words very precisely, and sometimes uniquely, because I am
devoted to clear communication. If you still find that you are reacting
negatively to what I wrote, consider asking me about it to clarify the
issue, rather than enacting your negativity by attacking with condemnation.
****************************
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:06:09
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words and Definitions (Mystress)
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At 09:33 AM 6/11/98 -0400, Avatar Thyer wrote:
>That which I find most entertaining is the display of immediate negative
>condemnation, rather than patient questioning to see if I am actually that
>which they have condemned me to be.
Dear ones--another view, literally--this one from a dyslexic reader who
has, for quite awhile, been reading the name in the "from:" line as,
Aviator Thyer. It took me awhile to understand why people were upset over
it. Seemed like a nice name, and Thyer rhymes with Flyer...
I spose the question, though, is--are you or aren't you? My answer seems
to be, doesn't really matter one way or the other. Does this being write
words that touch hearts, minds and souls? That is the relevant question, I
think.
But I'll still think of Avatar Thyer as someone happily zooming through the
clouds, perhaps a bright, colorful scarf flapping in the winds...hard to
undo a misperception.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adon <shamaneyesATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
Message-ID: <19980610140935.18571.rocketmailATnospamsend1c.yahoomail.com>
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---David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> wrote:
>
> Adon wrote:
>
> > My being pounds fiercely with
> > love when even an image of her flashes in my mind´s eye. We have
> > every intention of marriage. At the same time, calling even more
> > powerfully, profoundly, is Shakti. Hers is a call I will not
ignore.
>
David:
> Abandon the image of Shakti.Abandon the image of your friend.
> Now there is just a Call.
Adon: I'm beginning to see. So if I let All in, everything else will
fall into place, no?
> > Sex to climax diverts the Shakti down
> > towards physical pleasure. It is wasteful to one attempting to
speed
> > his spiritual evolution.
>
David:
> Abandon this belief.(whether it be fact or fiction)
Adon: You are right. It will not impede me unless I allow it to
impede me?
> > The thought of a
> > non-abundant sex life does not appeal to her though, this I know.
>
David:
> And you?
Adon: It has always been enjoyable as an expression of love, but
isn't sex without intent to bear a child a physical indulgence that
should be transcended? I thought that is why most gurus advocate
celibacy? I know little of tantric sex. I plan to learn more about it.
> > But recently, the urge to know Self and raise K has grown 11-fold.
>
David: Fine. Stay with the Urge.Attach it to nothing.
> > I find now that I´m considering not getting married
> > more and more.
>
David: This is an illusionary issue.
> > Sometimes I think that the married life would distract me
> > from the goal of Self-realization that I so deeply yearn for.
>
David: If married life would distract youand you were not married
you would be distracted with something else.
Adon: You are pulling the clouds from my mind. Thank you.
> > It pains me greatly to think of her in anguish.
David: It's *your* anguish* isn't it?
Adon: Yes! Your sight is clear. I am attached to her, and the
anticipation of her pain if I were to leave pulls at me.
> > I don´t want to let
> > her go,
>
David: By all means let her go.(you can still stay with her if you
choose)
Adon: I see what you mean. Love can continue to grow within me, and
at the same time any attachments that I have can fade. They are not
dependent on one another. I will respect and love her for showing me a
piece of me, yet if her path forks away from mine, I should accept it
and let her go.
> > I´ll cherish her forever, but now I want to know All
> > in the lap of Cosmic Consciousness.
>
> Cherish All.(she is a part of All, no?)
Adon: Yes she is.
> > Thanks,
>
> Your welcome.David
>
Thank you!
==
"I Cherish the Twilight,
I Maximize, my Soul is the Right Size.
I Watch for the Power to Run out on the Moon,
and that'll be Sometime Soon..."
-- De La Soul
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:21:55 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: jeannegATnospamicon.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The Aviator??:--)
Message-ID: <5e46f7db.357e9685ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/10/1998, 10:05:41 AM, jeannegATnospamicon.net writes:
<<Dear ones--another view, literally--this one from a dyslexic reader who
has, for quite awhile, been reading the name in the "from:" line as,
Aviator Thyer. It took me awhile to understand why people were upset over
it. Seemed like a nice name, and Thyer rhymes with Flyer...
>>
Harsha: Jeanne that is soooo funny!:--). I could not stop laughing. God bless
you for providing this unique perspective on the discussion! No doubt the
aviator flyer (a perfect new name) is enjoying the attention:--).
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:33:54 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Question ?
Message-ID: <357E9951.6B6B11B0ATnospammail.snet.net>
Paul Torres wrote:
> I think that I was given a taste of something from my
> possible future,
Even if true by the time the "future" gets Here it is Now.
> I must develop myself to a greater degree so that next time that
> this happens I will be ready to observe even more,
Why wait 'till "next time" to observe more?
> and my comprehension
> of the situation will be mush more informed.
Eventually information must be scrapped in favor of Truth.
> I also in my spare time apply my knowledge of science to psychic and
> extra-sensory beliefs. I believe that all of these phenomenon can be
> explained in the near future, and their nature can be explained in
> common terminology.
And therefore misunderstood.
> I could go on, but that must
> be in another e-mail.)
Or an experience.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:38:16 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
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Hi Adon,
A series of more-or-less random thoughts on your dilemma:
Love to me is about more than meditation and contemplation, it is about
giving and caring enough to put your own inclinations aside sometimes
for the sake of another. I have learned more about hands-on,
down-and-dirty love (as opposed to detached theoretical love) through
marriage and family life than anywhere else.
When my first child arrived I learned a new dimension of love I had
never known. With my second child I was forced to learn more patience
and tolerance than I thought I was capable of.
BUT you do make a good point about her happiness. If you do decide to
commit to life with her commit also to showing her your affection every
single day, in kind words, gentle touches, soft smiles. If you cannot
commit to an ongoing lifelong effort to give her what she needs...You
could end up hurting her more deeply by seemingly ignoring her than if
you let her go now. The pain of being invisible to a loved one is
something I know first hand.
Someone suggested Tantric yoga as a way to go, and this strikes me as an
excellent and fitting possibility for you. Surely nothing is lost if we
approach sex with love and worship in our hearts? You can see *---*
wherever you look, why not see your Beloved in your beloved's eyes? Why
not worship her body with yours?
On the other hand, if you don't want to let go of the idea that orgasms
are counterproductive, I will refer to my teacher/guru who is a married
man with two sons who suggests a) that we use austerities when they are
called for, but not necessarily all of the time and b)that we as
householders have sex less often but make it count when we do!
There is power in numbers, have you thought of how the two of you
performing your individual practices together might actually enhance
your progress? Oh, that resonates deeply within me. I just hit on an
important truth here. It isn't always true that he travels fastest who
travels alone.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:27 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
Message-ID: <357E9DAB.F5721757ATnospammail.snet.net>
Adon wrote:
> I am more worried that I will not be able to give her a
> fulfilling marriage in my quest for the Divine. I am meditating more
> frequently, and am often absorbed in thought, and the quality time
> spent with her is slowly decreasing as a result.
How's the quality time with yourself?
>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:49:41 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: deliriumATnospamionet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating... (Delirium)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980611104941.007a5140ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
Delirium wrote:
>So, Av, *why didn't ya say so earlier?* Surely you know the dictionary
>definition of avatar is different from what you have just told us *your*
>definition is.
I did say so earlier -- when I was politely asked by another member of the
list.
But this door swings both ways: others could have also politely asked me to
clarify what I mean, rather than jumping to judgement and hurling around
Ego accusations first.
Delirium wrote:
>Hon, we hardly know you so we gotta figure out whether we can trust what
>you are saying to us. (regardless of Mystress's endorsement of you in an
>earlier post) Now that you have told us what *you* consider an Avatar, I
>don't have as much trouble with what you're saying...it's just one more
>opinion...as worthy of consideration as any other on this list.
*****
Yes, I know that people need time to discern. Asking me questions will do
wonders for helping folks to discern in this linguistic medium. However,
jumping to judgement first, then consistently condemning will simply stall
the conversation.
(notice that this is aimed at those who specifically do this)
Delirium wrote:
>Are you sure, dear Av, that you aren't putting yourself on a "higher
>perch" and possibly unconsciously saying stuff you know will get you the
>attention of the "bullies?" As I'm not very good at sensing the Shakti
>coming off posts, I do sense some energy there, but I don't know from
>where you are coming...I can only ask.
*****
Okay, here is a question that I can answer.
Yes, I am sure. Rather than desiring to hang on the "higher perch" I
prefer to break remove the judgemental foundation that holds up this
particular cross so that the crucifictions can stop. To do that with this
particular perch, I have to get close enough to dismantle it. The irony is
that in order to effectively dismantly it, I have to affirm my Union with
it (affirm that I am it) and affirm that everyone else is also Unionized
with it (affirm that everyone else is also it).
Now, I realize that some folks are so scared that I am going to try to hop
up on this cross and proclaim my self as their One True and ONLY Savior --
rather than break it down by affirming that we are all on the same level --
that they throw a tantrum the moment anyone gets close to it. If I was
less confident and more insecure -- if I was insecure enough to approach it
and proclaim that I was the one true and ONLY Avatar and everyone else was
NOT -- then their fear would be well founded.
More than that, I would hope that those who know me through long
acquaintence and truly comprehend my positive purpose would kindly kick my
Egotistical ass for Separating my self through judgmental comparison to
others.
However, since I have done nothing but approach this list confidently
affirming what I AM, rather than affirming what others are NOT -- and since
I have further explaned my self to those who patiently ask -- the fear of
those who continue to throw condeming fits is clearly unfounded.
Now, as for unconsciously saying stuff that I know will get the attention
of the bullies... I consciously say stuff that reflects who I am. I have
learned through experience that who I am does indeed get the attention of
the bullies. But then, I also understand that given the nature of polarity
-- given that when the positive exists so does the negative -- my sincere,
simple demonstration of my positive perspective automatically highlights
the negative of others who oppose that which I clearly represent.
Delirium wrote:
> Dear Av, that was my intent. Your post seemed to me to consider what I
>said an attack or a negative judgment. It was not. (see, I said that
>some probably find my posts unintelligible!)...
*****
Ahh -- then a miscommunication has occurred.
Given your intent, you have my apologies and my hopes that in the future we
will both be able to comprehend each other more positively.
Delirium wrote:
>God
>
>(but meaning one of the incarnations of spirit)
*****
I hear THAT
*chuckles*
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
If you find your self reacting negatively to what I wrote in this letter,
take a deep breath, release the urge to negate, and slowly re-read what I
wrote. I use words very precisely, and sometimes uniquely, because I am
devoted to clear communication. If you still find that you are reacting
negatively to what I wrote, consider asking me about it to clarify the
issue, rather than enacting your negativity by attacking with condemnation.
****************************
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:58 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Avatar Thyer" <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating.
Message-Id: <199806101454.KAA09152ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Dear Chuckles (Avatar)
I AM so impressed with the way you chuckle in the face of
'adversity' that I am tempted to address you as "Chuckles".
"smiling warmly". (You can call me "Smiley". :-)))
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:01:47 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: <devatyATnospamic-net.com.au>, <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: our very own avatar (Anne)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980611110147.00798a00ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
Anne wrote:
>I don't think he ever spent this much energy on defending Himself on how he
>spoke and telling others it was their problem if they didn't
>understand..not His problem of expressing himself..
*****
I think that all of those who stand up and express their truth spend some
energy dealing with the nay-sayers. I'm sure that Jesus had many Phasisees
and other religious folks constantly challenged his words and tried to make
his expressions look negative whenever they could.
Now, I have written before that Sai Baba and I are different incarnations.
Jesus and I are also different incarnation. Sai Baba is Sai Baba. Jesus
is Jesus. Thyer is Thyer.
And we are all Avatars of Spirit facing our challenges and holding to our
truths as positively as we can.
Ann wrote:
>not what enjoyment he received out of
>the 'game' of self expression.
*****
I affirm that Jesus had fun with the game of expressing his truth because
that what I experience this as -- having fun and enjoying being true to our
selves as incarnations of Spirit.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
If you find your self reacting negatively to what I wrote in this letter,
take a deep breath, release the urge to negate, and slowly re-read what I
wrote. I use words very precisely, and sometimes uniquely, because I am
devoted to clear communication. If you still find that you are reacting
negatively to what I wrote, consider asking me about it to clarify the
issue, rather than enacting your negativity by attacking with condemnation.
****************************
Date: 10 Jun 98 15:58:10 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT !
Message-Id: <357EAD12.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> The answer is no. Anyway, it's an interesting question. You mention the
> word "hate". What is "hate" ? According to my standards: Suppressed Love.
Magne Aga,
I am not sure I agree with your definition of hate. Love cannot be
suppressed, it is transcendent. Even the scummiest of people on the
planet are touched by the transcendent love. It is so anonymous that
they don't realise it, so accepting that it slips in and around
without arousing them - it comes and goes in peace.
You can't know /fully/ what hate is because hate is not a full thing,
not whole. Any definition of it will only ever be partial, because it
itself is only a part, a fragment, a finite measure. One can only know
the whole of the whole, from which one sees the incompletedness of
hate, the pointless of it, the absense of meaning. One can become
locked in the attempt to full isolate hate.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:08:25 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words and Definitions (Ann M. Fisher)
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980611110825.007b9770ATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
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Greetings.
Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>In your view, does that include all of us?
*****
Yes.
Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>Assuming the answer is yes, then: why shouldn't we all use different names
>so the individual incarnations can be distinguished from each other?
*****
We do use different names to distinguish our individual incarnations of
Spirit from each other. As an individual you are Ann, and as an individual
speaking I am Thyer.
However, we are both Avatars in my perspective (unless you choose to negate
your self from Avatarhood by insisting that you are NOT an Avatar).
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
If you find your self reacting negatively to what I wrote in this letter,
take a deep breath, release the urge to negate, and slowly re-read what I
wrote. I use words very precisely, and sometimes uniquely, because I am
devoted to clear communication. If you still find that you are reacting
negatively to what I wrote, consider asking me about it to clarify the
issue, rather than enacting your negativity by attacking with condemnation.
****************************
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:08:02 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: oreaATnospamerols.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
Message-ID: <3125e1e8.357ea153ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/10/1998, 10:31:06 AM, oreaATnospamerols.com writes:
<<There is power in numbers, have you thought of how the two of you
performing your individual practices together might actually enhance
your progress? >>
Harsha: And finance your progress. On a practical level you need to pay the
rent and the bills and put vegetarian food on the table. With the current high
cost of living, two earners are better than one. If you ever become
unemployed, she can work while you meditate.
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:14:27 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: Kundalini
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com [mailto:Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com]
>
> In a message dated 6/9/1998 3:22:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> hc19436ATnospamautovia.com writes:
>
> << So my point was, that
> the act of sex causes such a loss that no exchange of secondary effects
> could ever make up for this loss. >>
>
> Harsha: Perhaps this explains why the poor husbands are exhausted
> the night
> after while the wives have a happy glow on their face.:--). Love
> you all.....
Jan: At last! Now I know, why there are no (publicly known) female
equivalents of Buddha, Ramana Maharishi, Patanjali, Shankara, Rama,
Ramanuja, Krishna, Yajnavalkya, etc. Women have ever enlightenedly been
glowing and they are humble...
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:14:30 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: To corrupt beauty
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Paul wrote:
> I would like to ask, if when ego catches sight of something truly
> beautiful, it will go to even greater measures to ensure it becomes
> corrupt - to desire it? Does the presence of tremendous ego indicate a
> wealthy `food source'?
Only Self, God, could be called truly beautiful. When the ego catches the
sight of It and wants more, it means the ego's death-sentence (in the course
of time). Desire for one's True Nature isn't a desire in the real sense, so
it won't produce the effects that "normal" desires do. A small but polished
ego can be much harder to crack than a simple, big one. The big ego only
requires a few heavy blows at strategic points. As ego is nothing but a
fact-file with emotions connected, a big one could mean more energy (by
transforming the emotions) and more wisdom (transforming the fact-file).
Jan
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:27:57 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
Message-ID: <357EA5FC.D4BEE19ATnospammail.snet.net>
Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com wrote:
> If you ever become
> unemployed, she can work while you meditate.
(Light bulb goes on.)Hey!
Thanks for thought.
David
(heading straight for the aisle)
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