1998/06/03 11:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #423
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 423
Today's Topics:
Getting started [ "Kyriacos N Neocleous" <kyriacosATnospamcy ]
Re: Getting started [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Intro + some questions [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
sublime joy [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Getting started [ "Kyriacos N Neocleous" <kyriacosATnospamcy ]
Re:Help Unsubscribe [ gary newman <newmanATnospamtamcotec.com> ]
Re: Getting started [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Help Unsubscribe [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Pakistan [ "Walls" <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net> ]
Re: Getting started [ "Kyriacos N Neocleous" <kyriacosATnospamcy ]
importance of meditation [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Getting started [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ "Catherine M. Berger" <Cathy_Berger ]
Re: Pakistan [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Pakistan [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
RE: Prophecy (was RE: Pakistan) [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com> ]
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:21:56 +0300
From: "Kyriacos N Neocleous" <kyriacosATnospamcyberdude.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Getting started
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Hi All, I just subscribed here. The reason I am interested in Kundalini
raising is for Astral Projection. I read a book "Treatise on Astral
Projection" by Robert Bruce in which I found an elementary technique for
opening the chakras before attempting projection and that's how I became
interested in the subject. I found two books at www.amazon.com that thought
perhaps would help me get started:
Karl Lusink "Essential Introduction to Kundalini Yoga"
Gavin Frost, Yvonne Frost "Tantric Yoga : The Royal Path to Raising
Kundalini Power"
The books are on their way, I wonder if any of you can comment on these
books and maybe give me some more information on how to get started on this
fascinating practice. I would appreciate any guidance since I have no
experience on this.
Best Regards
Astric
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:41:08 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Getting started
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Kyriacos N Neocleous wrote:
> Hi All, I just subscribed here. The reason I am interested in
Kundalini
> raising is for Astral Projection. ...The books are on their way, I
wonder if
> any of you can comment on these
> books and maybe give me some more information on how to get started on
this
> fascinating practice. I would appreciate any guidance since I have no
> experience on this.
Hi Astric,
I don't know quite how to say this...but I feel like you're blind and
deaf and
spreading yourself out on railroad tracks. I'm by no means an expert on
kundalini, but I have had my hands full since I started awakening
spiritually.
Maybe it seems interesting to do astral projection or be intuitive or
read
people's energy. And it is. But with all of these gifts comes a shadow
side
that you may not realize until after you have opened yourself up to
these
abilities.
Spiritual awakening isn't something to be taken lightly. Your whole life
could
be ripped apart. You may feel like you are completely nuts. You may
become
physically ill. You may lose all of your material possessions. All of
your
current family and friends may not work for your life anymore.
If it's truly time for you to move down this path, then you will do so.
Just
know that there's a whole other side to this that isn't much "fun" at
all.
Nancy
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:42:24 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Intro + some questions
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Good day dear list,
My name is Jose. I have been around here now for almost a month and have
just chosen to introduce myself. I have been reading a lot postings of
this list and I found many interesting ones...
It seems (in a way) I've found what I was searching (at the moment).
I have experienced the last 3 years great changes in me. It is like (for
me at least) as being reborn. As looking at the world upside-down :-)
Many beliefs I have had have been put aside completely.
I am amazed that I have been 'sleeping','blind' and 'deaf' for SO
long...
In my wildest imagination (and I have had a lot in the past) I couldn't
imagine the change I have experienced toward myself, others and the
world. This AWESOME LOVING feeling is something I wish you all dear
ones...
I have read that kundalini energy can be experienced artificially or as
a normal process of enlightment/awakening (when all chakras are open). I
myself am interesting in following the 'normal' (non artificial) way. My
question is, for those who have chosen to artifically experience
kundalini, why have you chosen this way and what is the purpose you have
with it?
Another question I have is if someone could share some thoughts about
the symptoms of kundalini energy coming free...
I have sometimes a pressure on my head that does not bother me a lot but
I found that it was there during moments of extreme
calmness,serenity,love... After a time it goes away.
I have lately more and more moments that I feel very calm, loving,
'smiling'. It's like warm feeling around the middle of my breast. At the
top of my head there is as if there would be nothing... As if when I
breath in, the air is not only coming from my nose but also from my
crown and 3rd eye...
Does someone have any idea about this?
This morning during a very short relaxation/meditation of 10 minutes I
was aware (for the first time) that the physical surroundings of my body
was not clear. Like feeling energy flow or just sensing it without
linking it with a body... Strange! But it felt fine.
Does this have to do with awareness of different states of
consciousness? Which consciousness relates to... JUST BEING?
I know many questions will be answered in time, maybe I'm eager in
knowing a bit more than I know now (like a child wanting to know so many
things but not being ready for all at that moment?). The moment one
lifts one's own limits, everything experienced is new. The more new
things experienced, the more one is expanding the once very narrow
limit.
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:58:45 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: sublime joy
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>may all beings know freedom from suffering and its causes,
>be joined to true happiness and its causes
>be filled with equanimity, not holding some close and others afar.
>
>and achieve the sublime joy.
>
>--jhampa tsomo
>
What an incredibly beautiful prayer! As i read/prayed this i felt this
incredible inrush of energy through the top of my head. it went
downdowndown ... i don't know where it stopped or if it has but i feel now
like i have this very heavy hat sitting on top of my head. ..
top-heavy feeling.
weird.
--Signalfire
Rave on
crazy feeling
rave on
got me rockin&reelin
--Buddy Holly
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:09:54 +0300
From: "Kyriacos N Neocleous" <kyriacosATnospamcyberdude.com>
To: <NancyATnospamwtp.net>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Getting started
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>I don't know quite how to say this...but I feel like you're blind and deaf
>
>Maybe it seems interesting to do astral projection or be intuitive or
>read
>people's energy. And it is. But with all of these gifts comes a shadow
>side
>that you may not realize until after you have opened yourself up to
>these
>abilities.
I honestly have no clue whatever gave you that idea! When I chose to do
astral projection I knew about the side effects. Even without any specific
chakra work, the chakras are stimulated by astral projection and as I read,
interesting and wonderful things start to happen in your life. By no means
I would call this a shadow side but a natural and helpful side effect of the
whole process. Now if you don't like what is happening to you since
awakening your abilities and you find it to have a dark side, maybe you
should drop the whole thing.
Best Regards
Astric
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:30:18 -0400
From: gary newman <newmanATnospamtamcotec.com>
To: Kyriacos N Neocleous <kyriacosATnospamcyberdude.com>
CC: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:Help Unsubscribe
Message-ID: <35757A19.67450688ATnospamtamcotec.com>
Please get me out of this looney-bin!
UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:36:21 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Getting started
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> When I chose to do
> astral projection I knew about the side effects. Even without any specific
> chakra work, the chakras are stimulated by astral projection and as I read,
> interesting and wonderful things start to happen in your life.
Yes, all these awakening side effects can be very interesting and wonderful. But
they can also be incredibly painful and shattering in your physical life.
> By no means
> I would call this a shadow side but a natural and helpful side effect of the
> whole process.
By shadow, here's what I mean. My intuitive insight has become heightened,
especially in the last six months. I see things about people that they don't see
and don't really want to know. There's nothing I can do about someone else's
life, but stand back and watch sometimes painful events happen to them. Is this
a gift? Sometimes I think it's a curse. How would you like to know that someone
is about to be fired? Or someone's wife is having an affair? Or someone is only
being nice to you so they can sleep with you? Or someone has betrayed your trust
but doesn't have the courage to admit it? It sucks.
> Now if you don't like what is happening to you since
> awakening your abilities and you find it to have a dark side, maybe you
> should drop the whole thing.
That's such a funny thing to say, Astric! (OK-I want to drop this now. I didn't
really want to be aware. Please, let's put things in reverse...no weirdo
metaphysical experiences anymore. CAN'T I JUST BE A "NORMAL" PERSON??? [grin])
Once things start, there's no turning back. You can try to ignore, but it never
goes away.
> Best Regards
> Astric
Best Regards to you, too, Astric!
Nancy
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:56:06 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Help Unsubscribe
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In a message dated 6/3/98 12:32:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
newmanATnospamtamcotec.com writes:
<< Please get me out of this looney-bin!
UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
NEWMAN (teeth gritted, with Seinfield smirk)...
You must find The Way yourself Grasshopper.... keep searching.
xxxtg
* Kundalini pain is being unable to unsubscribe to this list.
Looks like once you turn it on, you can't turn it off *
(as quoted by Mark Woollard as he was trying to get off the list too)
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:53:51 -0000
From: "Walls" <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: <fluteATnospamtexas.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Message-Id: <199806031653.MAA46450ATnospampimout1-int.prodigy.net>
I totally agree, even though I am the one who posted the Nostradamus info,
I also realise that all things can be changed. I also know the power of
thought. We by our thoughts alone can create this reality!
But I did find it interesting never the less.
Believe me, the last thing I want to see is these predictions come to
pass.But to the best of my knowledge, not one singal Biblical prophecy has
not come to pass. I believe we are where we need to be. And anything we
experience wheather it be individually or as the whole, we need to in order
to advance and grow..
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> From: Debora A. Orf <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
> To: Walls <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net>
> Cc: fluteATnospamtexas.net; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: Pakistan
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:41 PM
>
>
> We were speculating last night before we did a group sadhana if all this
> year 2000 fear is creating some bad vibes worldwide that need to be
> countered with lots of thoughts of lovingkindness and peace, and "enough
> already!" (a call to commen sense and freedom from desire).
>
> may all beings know freedom from suffering and its causes,
> be joined to true happiness and its causes
> be filled with equanimity, not holding some close and others afar.
>
> and achieve the sublime joy.
>
> --jhampa tsomo
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:06:21 +0300
From: "Kyriacos N Neocleous" <kyriacosATnospamcyberdude.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Getting started
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>By shadow, here's what I mean. My intuitive insight has become heightened,
>especially in the last six months. I see things about people that they
don't see
>and don't really want to know. There's nothing I can do about someone
else's
>life, but stand back and watch sometimes painful events happen to them. Is
this
>a gift? Sometimes I think it's a curse. How would you like to know that
someone
>is about to be fired? Or someone's wife is having an affair? Or someone is
only
>being nice to you so they can sleep with you? Or someone has betrayed your
trust
>but doesn't have the courage to admit it? It sucks.
I would love to know these things where necessary so I can protect myself
and maybe others if I can. Moreover, about future predictions, I like to
consider the future as constantly changing (like most people do) and I don't
take something that I or some psychic reader has foreseen to be absolute. I
realize that I have control over my life and seeing a future event I don't
like enables me to change the present conditions that lead to that event.
Would you rather be betrayed many times by the same person before you
realize it? Would you rather let a creep sleep with you because you
actually think s/he is a nice person?
>That's such a funny thing to say, Astric! (OK-I want to drop this now. I
didn't
>really want to be aware. Please, let's put things in reverse...no weirdo
>metaphysical experiences anymore. CAN'T I JUST BE A "NORMAL" PERSON???
[grin])
>Once things start, there's no turning back. You can try to ignore, but it
never
>goes away.
>
As I said I am new to this but it makes sense to be able to reverse the
process if you think it's a curse. I assume you became aware by meditating
and using specific visualizations to raise the Ki. What if you stop all
meditation? My guess would be that your chakras will become inactive after
some time and you will stop having psychic abilities.
I regret that my very first email to this list has lead to an argument in an
attempt to warn me or push me back from this practice. I am hoping to get
some more opinions from other people.
Best regards
Astric
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:06:30 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: importance of meditation
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>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:15:58 +0530 (IST)
>From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
>To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
>cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
>Subject: Re: Apology and question
>
>
>
>Melinton i think it's very important to do meditation regularly for
>atleast some fixed time as our body becomes habitual to it.
>It's also very important if one wants to awaken kundalini fully.
>when I feel pain in my hands and leg i feel my body is demanding me to sit
>down for meditation.Earlier i wasn't able to figure out what was
>happening.then I realised it can be with my irregular meditation.
>
>As such i feel pain in ears and sometimes itchy feeling in teeths.
>if you feel this post can help us get more insight and may be others can
>also get something. then feel frre to forward it on list.
>
>love,
>Anurag
>
>On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu wrote:
>
>> >for me pain occurs in hands and legs when i cut down my meditation which
>> >is gone when I take my normal routine again.
>> >
>> >Love,
>> >anurag
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for telling me this! I have not been very good about
>> meditating regularly -- I'll make it a priority now. Thanks again!
>> --Liz
--Signalfire
Rave on
crazy feeling
rave on
got me rockin&reelin
--Buddy Holly
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:25:13 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: Kyriacos N Neocleous <kyriacosATnospamcyberdude.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Getting started
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> Moreover, about future predictions, I like to
> consider the future as constantly changing (like most people do) and I don't
> take something that I or some psychic reader has foreseen to be absolute.
>
I'm not a psychic reader. I don't "do" predictions. I feel the energy of a
situation and see where that energy is heading. Of course, people can change
their energy, but they usually don't. Sometimes a word from me can help point
out something to someone, but usually not.
> I assume you became aware by meditating
> and using specific visualizations to raise the Ki. What if you stop all
> meditation? My guess would be that your chakras will become inactive after
> some time and you will stop having psychic abilities.
>
Your assumption is not correct. I do not meditate. I am reluctant to meditate
because then I wonder how "weird" I might become. I view psychic abilities as a
veil being lifted so that one can see the energy of a situation, not be led on
by people's personalities.
> I regret that my very first email to this list has lead to an argument in an
> attempt to warn me or push me back from this practice. I am hoping to get
> some more opinions from other people.
Argument? Not at all, Astric. I'm not trying to "warn" or "push," but just
trying to share MY opinion based on MY experience. Lighten up! You wrote so you
would hear others' views. Now it's up to you to take what's useful and leave the
rest behind.
Nancy
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:34:46 -1000 (HST)
From: "Catherine M. Berger" <Cathy_BergerATnospamprodigy.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Since being a youth (9 or 10), I remember sharp pains in my spine, whenever I so much as focused on the area. In my 20's I began to remember parts of a past existence. In that previous incarnation, I was a depressed woman, and I found my only solace through meditation. However, I often found it difficult to settle my mind enough to meditate properly and communicate with my higher self. I remember one day in meditation I asked my "inner guide" for help, and I was given a visualization of the human spine, with 7 lighted, different colored centers. I was shocked that the human body had any ability to affect spirituality, but I focused mentally on each light, and could feel intense awakening in each center. As I approached the top light, my meditation would come naturally. After many episodes of this, I became aware of a bright light inside my consciousness. I tried to look directly at the light or go to it. I found this to be a technique for astral projection and could s!
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tep out of my body. I then began to reason that life was possibly independent of my physical body. While in this "astral" state, I spoke with the inner spirit of another person (to whom I was acquainted) and asked that person to murder my physical body. The person's physical body was totally unaware of the conversation I had with his spirit. He did as asked, stabbing my body in the back, as I watched. I knew I was dead when I heard the loud snap of the cord connecting my two bodies, and I saw it recoil into my "astral" body. I remember being taken to another plane of existence by two "people" who looked neither male nor female. Eventually, because I was slow to embrace any new concepts, and began to desire earthly existence I was required to reincarnate. I now know that suicide never fools God, and is a waste of time. My kundalini experiences in this incarnation are not as intense as those of my last incarnation. I think my spirit is protecting me from any more mista!
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kes. However, I have learned my lesson, and I am willing to pursue my life mission. I have had only one out-of-body experience in this incarnation, though I have had many sporadic and unexpected psychic experiences, such as predicting imminent deaths, a two-week spree of picking the pick 3 lottery numbers, interactive dreams, etc. I began reading up on Kundalini recently to see if there were any pieces I forgot from my last existence, and the only thing I was not already aware of were the names and chants of each chakra. Since my last incarnation I have longed for a spiritual guide, but my higher self has not seen fit to provide one. I would be interested in knowing if anyone else has had similar experiences. I apologize if my story offends anyone, but this is the way I remember it happening.
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:44:26 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Message-ID: <357988a9.15392645ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
But to the best of my knowledge, not one singal Biblical prophecy has
not come to pass.
Depends on how you translate and/or read it. Same goes for the
so-called Bible 'codes'. One can find a code relating to just about
anything, just manipulate the mathematics.
Same with the quatrains of Nostradamus. You can choose what you wish
to believe and what not to believe, that's why we have so many
religious philosophies, I guess.
I believe that prophecies are lucky guesses. Not one 'seer' in human
history has been shown to be 100% right 100% of the time, the reality
is a far cry from 100%. You get lucky once and the next thing you
know, your a psychic.
However, I think that intuition, synchronicity and insight are
abilities that we all posess. Some of us are better at reading our
intuition than others is all. I also think that these abilities are
enhanced by K-energy.
Namaste,
Jack
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:56:48 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: magneagaATnospammonet.no, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <6724c59a.35758e62ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-02 17:53:59 EDT, magneagaATnospammonet.no writes:
<< In "Vishuddhi shuddhi", the energy moves
upwards and downwards through meda nadi. >>
Dear Magne aga,
Thanks for your response! I find this very helpful and interesting. It
clarifies what's going on with me. Could you tell me who talks about
Vishuddhi Shuddhi? I've been puzzling over why the energy circulates the way
it does--Blissing out the brain and then going right back down only to
circulate again! Spiraling, as it were.
Love, Hillary
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:48:37 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <acaeb238.35759a87ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-03 13:57:47 EDT, you write:
<< Could you tell me who talks about
Vishuddhi Shuddhi? >>
Dear Magne Aga,
Sorry, you already answered this! I guess it's oral tradition??
Love, Hillary
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:02:40 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Walls <MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net>
cc: fluteATnospamtexas.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Pakistan
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Walls this is of most concern . About third world war i was told by a
sage. He said 1999, september but also said that may be due to peace
efforts it may be extended to november. I think kundalites throughout the
world if start meditating towards peace only than this this war can be
avoided. In india sages are continously doing Yagyas for peace but these
people just don't understand.
LOVE AND PEACE,
Anurag
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Walls wrote:
> Hmmm, interesting, reminds me of Nostradamus!
> China-King of the Mongols.?(maybe)
> Also, CII Q62,
> "Mabus (antichrist) will soon die and there will happen a dreadful
> destruction of people and animals.Suddenly,vengeance will appear,a hundred
> hands,thirst and hunger, when the comet passes."
> A hundred hands, would mean 50 of something to me. Gee. I wonder if maybe
> this could represent the United States.
> As for Mabus, most theorise that this is symbolic of the antichrist, some
> do disagree however.
> According to Nostradamus,"In the year 1999, and seven months from the sky
> will come the great King of Terror. He will bring to life the great King of
> the Mongols. Before and after war reigns happily."
>
> Just food for thought!
> Sorry to be off the subject of kundalini, couldn't resist this one!
> :)----------
> > From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
> > To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> > Subject: Pakistan
> > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:03 PM
> >
> > ok.. open your mind just a tad on the pakistan thing and forget that you
> > believe that American is the world gatekeeper.
> > India fired off missels, then Pakistan just proved that they can fire
> > off missels on the Afgan border..
> > ..Did anyone notice that there was a massive Earthquake in Afganistan??
> > and just after the blast.. Now we know there is a fault line there..
> > ..Did anyone notice that China isn't saying a thing. Don't ever
> > underestimate China.. They are waiting and watching and as a psychic I'm
> > telling you.. China will clean their clock before Congress wakes up, if
> > the two third world countries escalate more. Then we will have a true
> > power.. China to deal with.
> > Right now their stock market is giving them problems.. from 20,000 to
> > 8,000 since Hong Kong was returned.. However.. Watch out World..
> > We have a very slow moving country for Justice because we get to lost in
> > the human rights issues. A country that is overpopulated may not have
> > those limitations..
> > ALSO..Americans don't realize that other countries think very
> > differently. My friend is Iranian and says.. You kill someone because
> > you are driving drunk and the *police*(whatever the name is for it) pull
> > you over, have you step out of the car and shoot you right there. Iran
> > isn't the only country to work that way.
> > Love,
> > flute
>
>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:52:39 -0400
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Prophecy (was RE: Pakistan)
Message-ID: <84DBEC04AE96D111808300805F850AB234BC80ATnospamEX-DENVER-U1.baan.com>
<< But to the best of my knowledge, not one single Biblical prophecy
has not come to pass. >>
Did you mean "not one ... has not come to pass", meaning *all* have come to
pass, or (as I suspect) "not one ... has come to pass", meaning none have?
(sorry, can't help it, I'm an amateur editor ;-)
Quite a large number of Biblical prophecies have indeed come to pass. The
usual discussion about the majority of Biblical prophecies is not whether a
given prophecy has come to pass, but (1) whether it was actually a prophecy
(i.e., was it written before or after the events it foretold?), (2) whether
it's so general that it was almost certain *something* would fulfill it, or
(3) whether fulfillment was "by design" - i.e., someone deliberately set out
to fulfill it (as when Jesus did something and said "for the scripture must
be fulfilled...").
I believe in Biblical prophecy as being true prophecy - but then, I'm an
evangelical Christian, so what else would you expect? ;-) I believe many of
the prophets were indeed 100% right, but as this cannot strictly be proven
(obviously no one would want to record their failures), your opposing
assertion cannot be disproved. My own record at prophesying is 100%, but
since the data set is only four prophecies, two of which were too general to
make much of, the odds against 100% success probably aren't yet high enough
to be statistically significant.
However, I definitely agree that:
<< I think that intuition, synchronicity and insight are abilities
that we all posess. Some of us are better at reading our
intuition than others ... I also think that these abilities are
enhanced by K-energy. >>
As for:
<< Same goes for the so-called Bible 'codes'. One can find a code
relating to just about anything, just manipulate the mathematics. >>
that's just too true. A mathematician took up "Bible Code" author Michael
Drosnin's challenge "When my critics find a message about the assassination
of a prime minister encrypted in Moby Dick, then I'll believe them." Sure
enough, he found several messages about assassinations (two of prime
ministers) in Moby Dick. See
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
If you're up to trying it yourself, and want to have some fun, check out
James Randi's "Prophetic Moby Dick" at:
http://www.randi.org/codes/prophecy.html
- Mike
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