1998/05/14 17:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #370
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 370
Today's Topics:
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Questions [ "Marsha & Stephen" <kandulATnospamg-net.ne ]
Grounding Meditation [ Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Milarepa and pranayama? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Question [ WEIVODA <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:41:35 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 15:36 1998.05.14 EDT, you wrote:
>Harsha: Danijel, This is what you wrote earier.
Exactly. Now tell me, what does it mean?
>
><< In a message dated 5/11/1998, 10:12:04 AM, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
> ><<You can say that Milarepa didn't breathe and since pranayama means that,
> >you can say he practiced pranayama. I would say he was in the state of
> >complete stillness, and that includes pranayama. You could also say that I
> >practice pranayama, too, but it is just a symptom.
> >>>
Interpretation: "Milarepa most probably did practice pranayama, but it
might have been just a symptom of something else". Meaning, "I don't know
what he practiced. Here is a possible interpretation from another angle".
>Harsha: I wrote the following in response to correct your misimpression about
>what Milarepa was practicing.
>
>Harsha: Milarepa actually practiced certain breathing methods to control the
>breath. Practice of breathing methods and meditation are not mutually
>exclusive. Some Yogis do both. Many of the Kundalini masters of the past
>like Matsyendranath and Goruknath were adepts at Pranayama.
And I responded with something you probably thought to be a nonsense, but
look again. I said that Milarepa also practiced black magic to cause havoc.
You misunderstood my point and responded that it was prior to his study
with Marpa Lotsava.
What was the point? The point was, Milarepa practiced pranayama, OK, it was
probably mentioned somewhere in the book, which I read some years ago and
my memory isn't perfect, far from it. But there are also other things to
have in mind when you decide to follow the logic that goes like this:
"Milarepa was a great yogi. He practiced pranayama and became enlightened.
Pranayama is therefore a great technique". Milarepa did all sorts of
things. He lived in a cave naked eating weed. He did that for seven or
whatever years and almost died of starvation in the process. And then he
became enlightened. It was not _just_ pranayama, that he practiced. The
next question was, there are different types of pranayama, I don't know
what was it exactly that he did. From what I know about tummo, it is often
described as drawing energy from semen/bindu into the body through subtle
channels. How is it done, I don't know, I didn't do it myself and have
never talked to someone who did it either. What is the use of it, I don't
know, except producing body heat. There are a lots of things I don't know
about it, and I would really love to hear some real facts about the thing,
not just this lama said this, that lama said that, bla bla is written in
some book, I don't give a shit about that, I can always go to the library,
but I would really love to hear some facts about it from someone who
practiced/practices it and knows what it does and what is it all about.
What I did get is just guessing from people who read a lots of books and
talked to the people who did it, and think that it makes them an authority
in the matter. I would love to hear something like this: "Milarepa
practiced this, this and this, it works like this, and I know because I did
it for that amount of time and I am now in the state of no desires".
Otherwise, your guessing/knowledge is just as bad as mine in that matter.
What is my exact motivation in the entire discussion? I have noticed that
you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to practice. I
question that. I have my own experience that says it could also be very
dangerous, even life threatening. It would be irresponsible of me not to
say it, because it is the other side of the coin - you may get enlightened,
you may also get hurt. My experience was a mixture of both.
There is more: nobody says anything about the differences between
practicing purvaka-kumbhaka-rechaka with and without awakened Kundalini.
The difference is probably most drastic, because if the technique is meant
to awaken the Kundalini, with the awakened Kundalini it might produce some
serious shit, like overloading the nadis with energy, or forcing K from her
naturally chosen path. Nothing is said about that, and that makes me very
concerned about the possibility that nobody actually knows shit about it,
and the entire thing is a Russian roulette with five bullets in the barrel
- you might not get fucked up, but the odds aren't looking good. ;) Now,
that again is just my opinion, I would really love somebody to prove me
wrong and display some serious evidence for it, not just esotheric gossip
like so far.
Let me give an example. I have developed a series of techniques that
produce results, on a daily basis. No side effects, no dangers. Some parts
of the cleansing may be very unpleasant, but it is normal and expected. All
of the people that practice it live a very worldly life, working or going
to school etc. Some of them including myself have a surrounding that is
extremely unfit for any form of spiritual activity. And the thing works in
these circumstances. It is verifiable. My friend who studied in Tibet for a
long time knows some of my students longer than I do, has been observing
the process from the beginning, and we are thinking about combining our
techniques - my method of purification and his method of handling and
drawing the energy, combined, might be an extreme combination. We'll talk
about it one of these days. :)
What I want to say, I don't criticize pranayama just for the fun of it, I
actually have something that has proven to be ten times better, and that is
confirmed by someone who actually forgot more about pranayama than I'll
ever know. :)
Sorry about the size of this message. :( ;)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:47:21 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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Danijel Turina wrote:
> I have noticed that
> you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to practice. I
> question that. I have my own experience that says it could also be very
> dangerous, even life threatening. It would be irresponsible of me not to
> say it, because it is the other side of the coin - you may get enlightened,
> you may also get hurt.
Sorry to intrude upon your debate, but I was reading pranayama instruction over at
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/pranayama.html and I was wondering in what way it
could be life threatening or harmful? How can it hurt you specifically?
> What I want to say, I don't criticize pranayama just for the fun of it, I
> actually have something that has proven to be ten times better, ..<snip>
And what is that? Should I take a look at your web page to find out?
THANKS.
Melody
http://www.powernet.net/~melody
Holistic Theory and Reverse Speech - The Language of the Unconscious and of the
Soul
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:14:18 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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Hi Melody! :)
At 13:47 1998.05.14 -0700, you wrote:
>Danijel Turina wrote:
>
>> I have noticed that
>> you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to practice. I
>> question that. I have my own experience that says it could also be very
>> dangerous, even life threatening. It would be irresponsible of me not to
>> say it, because it is the other side of the coin - you may get enlightened,
>> you may also get hurt.
>
>Sorry to intrude upon your debate, but I was reading pranayama instruction
over at
>http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/pranayama.html and I was wondering in what
way it
>could be life threatening or harmful? How can it hurt you specifically?
Well, it can disrupt your natural breathing cycle - Gurdijef for instance
talked about it; you can just stop breathing, just like that, in your sleep
for instance. I believe he knew what he was talking about. This can
reprogram your brain functions and that can have dire consequences. I had
no problems of that sorts - just severe mood swings and problems with
breathing; I was actually beginning to have problems getting enough prana
into my system, sometimes my system almost collapsed and I had to go to
deep natural breaths, inhaling joy and energy, and that refilled me enough.
The pranayama thing may actually be very useful - when you forget
everything written about it, especially about 1-4-2 ratio between
inhalation, retension and exhalation. That ratio must never be fixed and
the body should be allowed to choose it by itself. Then, the most important
thing here is not _how_ you breathe, but _what_ you breathe. Emotion is
energy, prana modulated on a certain frequency. If you are breathing in
joy, love, happiness, creativity, keeping it in you and feeling it in your
being, and then exhaling it, feeling it all around you, that is the kind of
pranayama you won't have to do much of, several breaths like that could
have you charged with enough energy to last entire day. See what I mean? ;)
If you manipulate the breath and your mind and emotions are elsewhere, and
it isn't all coordinated and naturally connected, you're in for some
serious shit.
>> What I want to say, I don't criticize pranayama just for the fun of it, I
>> actually have something that has proven to be ten times better, ..<snip>
>
>And what is that?
The main part of it is the up-stream kriya technique. I will repost the
basic instructions here, since...
>Should I take a look at your web page to find out?
...my page is in Croatian, not yet translated (I never have the time to do
it :( ), and I don't want to put it on the web anyway, I want to be sure to
give it just to the people who will know what to do with it. Actually, the
thing is so natural it is not a technique at all, that's why I'm so careful
with it. :) It is your system's natural energy balancing system, you
probably did it already and just didn't know what it was. It is the
Kundalini power tool, everybody who is K-awakened should know it since most
of the problems with K could be avoided with it, and no particular or
detailed knowledge of the nature of the process is necessary (in terms of
what color of prana is going through which nadi, it is balanced
automatically and optimally).
--------
Written originally to Chris Hughes earlier this year on k-l:
...
Well, the first thing is to feel that stuff, to be able to connect to the
emotional contents of that energy - the first thing to do is to open
vertically. The easiest way to do that is to "remember God", by reading the
most powerful holy text you know, to think about your guru - having Sai
Baba's picture in front of you may help enormously. With time, you'll be
able to do that at will, without any external help. The next thing is to
feel your inner space, starting from your feet and going up. You will be
able to feel the junk; feel it, and surrender it and yourself to God. Oh
well, I've come this far, I can make the entire technique public here. You
know the "jerk movement" of the head when you finish urinating, or your
entire body shaking when you go from warm to a cold place? That's it. Try
to do it at will, using yoni mudra, that is the contraction of the
perineum/anus (perineum/anus/vagina for women) area, it draws the energy
into susumna nadi, going straight up and leaving your body through
sahasra-ara. The most important thing is to internalize before doing it, to
go inside, connect to God, and then do it. Most of the problems with
Kundalini awakening are the result of externalization, looking out; that
overloads the impure systems and causes all sorts of problems. With this,
you'll be able to instantly draw such energy outbursts inside and up,
surrendering all the excess energy to God. Bottom line is, with this you
can clean up all the surface junk in a matter of days, as soon as you learn
to do this right. In a month, most probably you'll be able to reach the
vertical barrier on your top level chakra, where the real fun starts. :)
More about that when you get there.
Things to have in mind about doing this:
- It doesn't stop until _everything_ is out. This is a serious
transformation tool and should not be taken lightly. The results are
extremely powerful.
- Cleaning the junk releases more junk in the system; the junk has to be
removed before implanting itself into the system, because it can cause
trouble; when the chain reaction of cleaning up a certain area is started,
it has to be finished
- Do not do this unless you want to attain liberation. That's where this
leads. No other goal is possible.
When you do this, at first you could have parts of your body jerking;
left-right head movement means you are doing it right; energy is performing
a spiral movement around the spine and exiting through the crown chakra. I
called this technique "up-stream kriya", a sort of an English/Sanskrit
mish-mash. :) My students are doing this very successfully. It is
demanding, though, it is not difficult to do but discipline is required. Of
course, there are some rules regarding the way of life that make this a lot
easier. ;)
I hope I'll not regret this later. That's the first time I am making this
public.
Om Namah Shivaya! Jai Sai Ram!
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:20:58 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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In a message dated 5/14/1998 1:46:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< I have noticed that
you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to practice. >>
Harsha: No. That is again highly inaccurate. Although, apparently this is a
bad habit you can't get rid of:--). Please read my paper (carefully!) for my
views on Pranayama. You will find them to be quite balanced. I wish I could
say the same about yours:--)).
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:24:47 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 13:47 1998.05.14 -0700, you wrote:
>Sorry to intrude upon your debate, but I was reading pranayama instruction
over at
>http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/pranayama.html and I was wondering in what
way it
>could be life threatening or harmful? How can it hurt you specifically?
Right now I've read the page and it is not the kind of technique I would
call aggressive and therefore dangerous. If you know what you're doing that
is.
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:28:51 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-ID: <355B6213.96F22EFFATnospampowernet.net>
What is Shakti? Is it some kind of magic? Because when I was reading the
Grounding Exercise written by the Mystress, my cursor and the bar on the right
side of the web page was acting very strange; going down all by itself, almost;
as if magic, and she said that her shakti worked even over the Internet.
Melody
Harsha1MTM wrote:
> The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
> >Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
> >http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:45:17 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 17:20 1998.05.14 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/14/1998 1:46:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
>
><< I have noticed that
> you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to practice. >>
>
>Harsha: No. That is again highly inaccurate. Although, apparently this is a
>bad habit you can't get rid of:--). Please read my paper (carefully!) for my
>views on Pranayama. You will find them to be quite balanced. I wish I could
>say the same about yours:--)).
I don't care whether my views are balanced or not, as long as they are
based on my experience. I did say that it can get you enlightened, and it
can also screw you up, it depends. The balanced version of it would
probably be "yes, but there are all kinds of shades of gray between black
and white". :)
Some sorts of pranayama can actually be good and from time to time I
recommend some people to use them; I actually do some things like that
sometimes. But to say "there's a nice technique, 16-64-32, I find it to be
marvelous, try it and if you don't like it, try something else", well, I
won't comment that approach much, but it sounds a lot like "this is LSD,
try it, you might find it to be cool, and if you go crazy and start
climbing the walls, don't take it anymore, by all means, it's bad for your
health and doesn't fit your system". ;))
As for your page, I agree, and I would stress this part here:
--
It should be noted that mistakes made in advanced pranayama, involving
breath retention, can have more serious consequences, and can result in
injury to the internal system of the body. Extremely heavy Pranayama with
breath retention when practiced prematurely can temporarily lead to
unpleasant physical experiences and psychological states. A serious
practitioner with graduated practice overcomes these obstacles. However,
until the aspirant has practiced and learned a sufficient amount and gained
confidence in his or her physical abilities and gradually developed
psychological tolerance for the mental states and physical feelings
produced by advanced pranayama, he or she should not practice in isolation
away from the guidance of an adept.
For most aspirants, practicing pranayama alone is insufficient to
advance spiritually, as they find it difficult to retain the breath for
more than one or two minutes. In our modern society, particularly for those
aspirants who work full time, it is difficult to reduce the amount of solid
food taken. Careful regulation of food is essential for advancing in
Pranayama. It is also difficult for most people today to maintain rigorous
control over their vital and sexual energy for long time periods. However,
without following the prescribed disciplines, one cannot go beyond a
certain point in one's practice of pranayama without risking serious
physiological and psychological consequences.
--
Having in mind that probably all of the people who are reading that fit in
the group of people which is defined as unfit for the advanced practice of
pranayama, I would wonder who is it meant for anyway? ;)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:59:24 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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At 14:28 1998.05.14 -0700, you wrote:
>What is Shakti?
Shakti is a sanskrt word that is most accurately translated as "energy".
But that is energy in the deep metaphysical way of looking at it - the
power of manifestation, the power of life. Personified as female, Goddess.
Dynamic, moving Shakti as opposed to static, transcendental Shiva, the
unmanifested Absolute. Tantra teaches about individual being's Kundalini as
Shakti, and jivatman (individualized Self) as Shiva. The goal is seen as
joining Shiva and Shakti, energy of manifestation = life, with
transcedental and unmanifested Self.
>Is it some kind of magic?
Well, since life itself is a kind of magic, that sure is one way of looking
at it. :) But I would say no, it is just the most natural thing there is. :)
>Because when I was reading the
>Grounding Exercise written by the Mystress, my cursor and the bar on the
right
>side of the web page was acting very strange; going down all by itself,
almost;
>as if magic, and she said that her shakti worked even over the Internet.
:) That's kind of magic is often encountered if you use Microsoft products.
;))))
And if you have a page with all sorts of embedded bitmaps, browser's
scrolling algorithm might go nuts. :)
I think the kind of magic she was referring to was something closer to your
feeling while you read it. :)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:07:42 EDT
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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Hi Danijel,
Ohhh boy. Think of all the middle-aged men and women doing keagal
(sp?)exercises and not knowing what's going to hit them !! :))))))
Love, Hillary
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:18:54 -0400
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamaurum.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Milarepa and pranayama?
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<< What is Shakti? Is it some kind of magic? Because when I was
reading the Grounding Exercise written by the Mystress, my cursor and
the bar on the right side of the web page was acting very strange; going
down all by itself, almost; as if magic, and she said that her shakti
worked even over the Internet. >>
I'll second what Danijel said - while on the Internet I've had the
browser page scroll on me for no reason several times, and it doesn't
seem to correlate with the site. Other friends who use Internet Explorer
have had the same problem on random occasions. That's not to say it
couldn't be Mystress' Shakti, but there are more "mundane" explanations
possible.
What I experienced from her webpage was more along the lines of feelings
of concentrated energy, and the exercise running itself without my
having to read it, among other things.
- Mike S.
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:22:52 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
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Hi Hillary! :)
>Hi Danijel,
>
>Ohhh boy. Think of all the middle-aged men and women doing keagal
>(sp?)exercises and not knowing what's going to hit them !! :))))))
:))) Well, if they're not doing the intense stuff they're safe. :))
The danger part is messing with your natural breathing system. If you're
listening to the body rythm (that means, when your lungs struggle for air,
breathe, don't count) you're safe. But when folks talk about kumbhaka
pranayama in terms like who can hold breath longer, well, you can hold
breath all the time when you're dead. :)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:41:23 -0400
From: "Marsha & Stephen" <kandulATnospamg-net.net>
To: <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>, "MMeyers541" <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <melodyATnospampowernet.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Questions
Message-Id: <199805142317.TAA10600ATnospamultrasparc-3.g-net.net>
greetings-
Could someone resend the mystresses' grounding meditation...it sounds like
it is worth experiencing.
Blessings,
Marsha
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:17:10 -0700
From: Melody <melodyATnospampowernet.net>
To: Marsha & Stephen <kandulATnospamg-net.net>
CC: CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com, MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Grounding Meditation
Message-ID: <355B7B75.256F3737ATnospampowernet.net>
It's: http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/ground.htm
It knocked my socks off!
Melody
Marsha & Stephen wrote:
> greetings-
>
> Could someone resend the mystresses' grounding meditation...it sounds like
> it is worth experiencing.
>
> Blessings,
> Marsha
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:27:43 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-ID: <c14d8151.355b7df0ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/14/1998 2:53:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< < I have noticed that
> you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to practice. >>
>
>Harsha: No. That is again highly inaccurate. Although, apparently this is a
>bad habit you can't get rid of:--). Please read my paper (carefully!) for
my
>views on Pranayama. You will find them to be quite balanced. I wish I could
>say the same about yours:--)).
Danijel: I don't care whether my views are balanced or not, as long as they
are
based on my experience.
Harsha: Quite right. Other people might have experiences different from
yours. Therefore their views might be different as well. Techniques that
cause you to go up and down in your mood may work like magic on someone else
and vice versa. The fact is that due to the makeup of the karmic body, people
will be attracted to different spiritual paths and methods of meditation and
pranayama. Some people, because of heavy practices of certain techniques in
previous lives will automatically start practicing them in childhood without
giving it a second thought. Even highly advanced methods of pranayama
involving long term breath retention become a child's play for an adept
through gradual practice. This does not mean it is for everyone or even
necessary for Knowing the Self. Ultimately the technique is less important
than the force of devoted practice behind it.
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:38:48 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Milarepa and pranayama?
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980515013848.0092ac40ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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At 19:27 1998.05.14 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/14/1998 2:53:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
>
><< < I have noticed that
> > you advertise pranayama here, saying it is a good technique to
practice. >>
> >
> >Harsha: No. That is again highly inaccurate. Although, apparently this
is a
> >bad habit you can't get rid of:--). Please read my paper (carefully!) for
> >my views on Pranayama. You will find them to be quite balanced. I wish I
> >could say the same about yours:--)).
>
>Danijel: I don't care whether my views are balanced or not, as long as they
>are based on my experience.
>
>Harsha: Quite right. Other people might have experiences different from
>yours. Therefore their views might be different as well.
Exactly. :) And those who listen to both perspectives will be able to make
a stereo picture. :)
>Ultimately the technique is less important
>than the force of devoted practice behind it.
That was exactly what I had in mind talking about Milarepa. :)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:09:23 EDT
From: WEIVODA <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <4e8236e5.355b87b4ATnospamaol.com>
Hi, I use to be at WHYASKATnospamaol.com, but then I changed my e-mail address to
WEIVODAATnospamaol.com. I still would love to be on the list, but I can't remember
how to get back on with my new e-mail address, and take WHYASK off the list.
Thank you,
Kristin
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