1998/03/13 16:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #191
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 191
Today's Topics:
Re: Choosing Life [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Light within [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Light within [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: On Criticism and Understanding [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
False happiness [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Some Needed Levity [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Fwd: Re: Self love [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
but seriously . . . [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
crazy and crazed [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
one with [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Is unsubscribing possible [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: growth [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: African magic, juju, witch docto [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:47:20 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Christina <cmwATnospamcgocable.net>
cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980313193236.1089B-100000ATnospamBhaskara>
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Hi Christina,
When I act foolisly I do laugh sometimes at myself.
I am asking one to be Happy all the time. When one doesn't
have anything to be lost only then I suppose one can be
happy all the time.
Christina wrote: " And to solve someone else's problem merely serves
to contribute to own sense of inadequacy."
Anurag: What you are saying is right but solve the problem in
such a way that you make one capable of dealing with it
in near future and in other aspects of life.
Until you are one with that person one cannot help the
person in a way which I mention in above
lines.
love,
anurag
==============
= Name : Anurag Goel =
= Course : M.Sc. Engg. ,Electrical Engg =
= Room No : PD-16 =
= e-mail : anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in =
==============
= HOME PAGE LOCATION =
= http://144.16.69.6/people/students/anurag =
= =
= kabira yeh ghar prem ka khala ka ghar nahi =
= shish utare bhoomi dhare vah pathe ghar mahi =
= =
==============
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Christina wrote:
>
>
> Anurag Goel wrote:
>
> > Hi Jason,
> > I think that most of the jokes are the things which project
> > someone's foolishness and there is no point in laughing at
> > someone's foolishness and atleast the person on the path
> > of Kundalini awakening won't do that.
> >
> > Can you tell me why should I laugh and what will make me
> > laugh when people out there are suffering.
> >
> > One should be happy, Happy so that your happiness encourages
> > others, feel happy to solve the problem of others and put a
> > smile on your face when you see a smile on their face.
>
> A false happiness encourages nothing and no one is happy all the time. Can you
> not laugh at yourself? Can you not let others see you in the truth of the moment
> if perhaps you are feeling less than cheerful because that is not how you want to
> be seen? And to solve someone else's problem merely serves to contribute to their
> own sense of inadequacy. Standing by open heartedly and listening without opinion
> is all that is required, they can do the rest for themselves. We are here to
> become one, not to do for each other. I for one have had far too much done for me
> that has required much healing on my part to undo, to find the real truth of me!
>
> In love,
> Christina
>
> > Love,
> > anurag
> >
> >
> > ==============
> > = Name : Anurag Goel =
> > = Course : M.Sc. Engg. ,Electrical Engg =
> > = Room No : PD-16 =
> > = e-mail : anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in =
> > ==============
> > = HOME PAGE LOCATION =
> > = http://144.16.69.6/people/students/anurag =
> > = =
> > = kabira yeh ghar prem ka khala ka ghar nahi =
> > = shish utare bhoomi dhare vah pathe ghar mahi =
> > = =
> > ==============
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, E Jason wrote:
> >
> > > on 11 Mar 98, Anurag Goel wrote...
> > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > > Can anyone tell me who Lobster is? and what's going on concerning
> > > > him.
> > >
> > > Nobody can tell you who you are, so who on earth can possibly know what that
> > > pesky Lobster is up to . . .
> > >
> > >
> > > > One thing more one should not use strong or bad words against
> > > > anyone especially one who is indulged in Kundalini awakening
> > > > (both sides sayer as well as listener) They acn harm both.
> > >
> > > Strong words indeed. And badly choosen too.
> > > So?
> > > You obviously are to sensitive for your own good. I bet you do not laugh to
> > > often? Perhaps you know a good joke?
> > >
> > > The harmful Lobster
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:00:15 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
cc: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com, DruoutATnospamaol.com,
dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Light within
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980313195435.1089D-100000ATnospamBhaskara>
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Hi,
Thinking them and yourself as one won't generate thought that
they are others. When one has to feel that one and Universe are
one. If one has a thought that one is separate from others what
has he gained till then?
love,
anurag
==============
= Name : Anurag Goel =
= Course : M.Sc. Engg. ,Electrical Engg =
= Room No : PD-16 =
= e-mail : anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in =
==============
= HOME PAGE LOCATION =
= http://144.16.69.6/people/students/anurag =
= =
= kabira yeh ghar prem ka khala ka ghar nahi =
= shish utare bhoomi dhare vah pathe ghar mahi =
= =
==============
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-13 04:59:33 EST, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
> writes:
>
> << Hi,
> What has been said is O.K. but one should lead towards becoming
> like RAMAKRISHNA PARAMHANSA , Mataji Nirmala Devi so that one can
> teach people about KUNDALINI.
> bye,
> anurag >>
>
> Harsha writes: The lives of saints can certainly inspire. But why become like
> others? Why not Be Your Self?
>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:52:18 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com, DruoutATnospamaol.com, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Light within
Message-ID: <b415502e.35094823ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-13 09:34:59 EST, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
writes:
<< Hi,
Thinking them and yourself as one won't generate thought that
they are others. When one has to feel that one and Universe are
one. If one has a thought that one is separate from others what
has he gained till then?
love,
anurag >>
Harsha writes: It is easy to become confused by words. Understand the meaning
behind them. Be Your Self! Everything is included in That!
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:32:24 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Dave Hourigan <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: On Criticism and Understanding
Message-ID: <35094378.21213B9ATnospamerols.com>
Lovely. I really oughta print this out in some really pretty font and frame
it, because this says it all. Thanks for sharing it, Dave.
blessings,
Orea (this one is worth quoting in full, just in case someone missed it)
> Dave Hourigan wrote:
>
> I was moved to share the following, which is from a little book called
> "Metaphysical Meditations" by Paramahansa Yogananda
>
> On Criticism and Understanding
>
> I will not waste my time in talking about the faults of others. If I
> find myself inclined to enjoy criticizing others I will first talk
> loudly against myself before others.
>
> I will criticize no one unless asked by him to do so, and then with
> only desire to help.
>
> I will try to please everyone by kind, considerate actions, ever
> striving to remove any misunderstanding knowingly or unknowingly
> caused by me.
>
> I will always hold aloft an unfading torchlight of continuos kindness
> to guide the hearts of those who misunderstand me.
>
> I wipe away my tears of sorrow, finding it does not matter to Thee
> whether I play a big or small part, so long as I play it well.
>
> I will seek God first; then all my desires will be satisfied. Whether
> I live in a palace or a in a hut will make no difference.
>
> I will use my honestly acquired money to live simply, doing away with
> luxury.
>
> I make up my mind that nobody can excite me by insulting words or
> deeds, and that nobody can influence me by praise to think I am
> greater than I am.
>
> I will care nothing for cruel, false criticism nor for garlands of
> praise. My sole desire is to do Thy will, to please Thee, my Heavenly
> Father.
>
> I will speak the truth, but I will at all times avoid speaking
> unpleasant or harmful truths. I will offer no criticism that is not
> motivated by kindness.
>
> I will spread the sunshine of my goodwill wherever the darkness of
> misunderstanding lies.
>
> Paramahansa Yogananda
>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:11:33 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: cmwATnospamcgocable.net, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: lobsterATnospamclara.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: False happiness
Message-ID: <d4c8dc45.35095ab7ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-13 08:49:17 EST, cmwATnospamcgocable.net writes:
<< A false happiness encourages nothing and no one is happy all the time. Can
you
not laugh at yourself? Can you not let others see you in the truth of the
moment
if perhaps you are feeling less than cheerful because that is not how you
want to
be seen? >>
Harsha writes: Well said. Sincerity, honesty and straight forwardness have a
great value. A person may exhibit false learning, false happiness or false
compassion as an expression of his/her mental weakness. False gifts are of no
value to the receiver or the giver. When a person cannot even face his/her own
Ego, It is impossible to Recognize the True Self.
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:27:47 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Some Needed Levity
Message-Id: <l03130303b12f470682d1ATnospam[126.0.0.108]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Close-to-complete Ideology and Religion Shit List:
* Taoism: Shit happens.
* Confucianism: Confucius say, "Shit happens."
* Buddhism: If shit happens, it isn't really shit.
* Zen Buddhism: Shit is, and is not.
* Zen Buddhism #2: What is the sound of shit happening?
* Hinduism: This shit has happened before.
* Islam: If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
* Islam #2: If shit happens, kill the person responsible.
* Islam #3: If shit happens, blame Israel.
* Catholicism: If shit happens, you deserve it.
* Protestantism: Let shit happen to someone else.
* Presbyterian: This shit was bound to happen.
* Episcopalian: It's not so bad if shit happens, as long as you serve the
right wine with it.
* Methodist: It's not so bad if shit happens, as long as you serve grape
juice with it.
* Congregationalist: Shit that happens to one person is just as good as
shit that happens to another.
* Unitarian: Shit that happens to one person is just as bad as shit that
happens to another.
* Lutheran: If shit happens, don't talk about it.
* Fundamentalism: If shit happens, you will go to hell, unless you are
born again. (Amen!)
* Fundamentalism #2: If shit happens to a televangelist, it's okay.
* Fundamentalism #3: Shit must be born again.
* Judaism: Why does this shit always happen to us?
* Calvinism: Shit happens because you don't work.
* Seventh Day Adventism: No shit shall happen on Saturday.
* Creationism: God made all shit.
* Secular Humanism: Shit evolves.
* Christian Science: When shit happens, don't call a doctor - pray!
* Christian Science #2: Shit happening is all in your mind.
* Unitarianism: Come let us reason together about this shit.
* Quakers: Let us not fight over this shit.
* Utopianism: This shit does not stink.
* Darwinism: This shit was once food.
* Capitalism: That's MY shit.
* Communism: It's everybody's shit.
* Feminism: Men are shit.
* Chauvinism: We may be shit, but you can't live without us...
* Commercialism: Let's package this shit.
* Impressionism: From a distance, shit looks like a garden.
* Idolism: Let's bronze this shit.
* Existentialism: Shit doesn't happen; shit IS.
* Existentialism #2: What is shit, anyway?
* Stoicism: This shit is good for me.
* Hedonism: There is nothing like a good shit happening!
* Mormonism: God sent us this shit.
* Mormonism #2: This shit is going to happen again.
* Wiccan: An it harm none, let shit happen.
* Scientology: If shit happens, see "Dianetics", p.157.
* Jehovah's Witnesses: >Knock< >Knock< Shit happens.
* Jehovah's Witnesses #2: May we have a moment of your time to show you
some of our shit?
* Jehovah's Witnesses #3: Shit has been prophesied and is imminent; only
the righteous shall survive its happening.
* Moonies: Only really happy shit happens.
* Hare Krishna: Shit happens, rama rama.
* Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this shit!
* Zoroastrianism: Shit happens half on the time.
* Church of SubGenius: BoB shits.
* Practical: Deal with shit one day at a time.
* Agnostic: Shit might have happened; then again, maybe not.
* Agnostic #2: Did someone shit?
* Agnostic #3: What is this shit?
* Satanism: SNEPPAH TIHS.
* Atheism: What shit?
* Atheism #2: I can't believe this shit!
* Nihilism: No shit.
Enjoy!
amckeon
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:20:00 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Self love
Message-Id: <970313082000.n0000746.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
this is a forwarded message
>Dear Friends,
>
>I find mornings my best time to be able to write, and at times I
>find it amazing what comes off the end of my pen.
>This mornings writings were done with someone I know, in mind, who
>is having problems with issues of control and has been unable to
>find the Love of herself for herself.....yet. I share my thoughts
>with you here.
>
>Becoming responsible for oneself can be a very scary process.
>To know Love one must first be Love. That is to Love oneself first
>then can Love for another flow.
>This Love for another is without expectation, for you know that you
>already have Love. The love of self is all encompassing. It doesn't
>put us in a position of needing to find love outside ourselves.
>As we grow in Love of self, we find that the Love of others finds
>us.
>So long as we can remember to accept another's Love without
>expectation, without loosing our own Love, we come to realize love
>is everywhere, everything.
>
>The fear of loosing ourselves, who we know ourselves as, up until
>now, keeps us stuck in the only way we know ourselves. This opinion
>has been reached through the expectations of other people, parents,
>friends, and society. Thus molding us into who we think everyone
>else wants us to be.
>
>Love is getting in touch with our own inner self, our own heart.
>Thus we need to loose ourselves (old self) to find ourselves. Not
>the new self, but the re-newed self for we have always been Love.
>
>We need to be true to ourselves and set aside who others tell us we
>are. This goes for everyone; we need to check our own heart. Little
>do we realize that we have actually been lost all this time. Lost to
>our own Love. Lost to our heart-self.
>Lost to who we really are.
>
>It is to be ever aware, to check within our own self as we go along
>that we learn to know ourselves. Unfortunately this is not an
>instant thing.
>
>To be aware and to notice with awareness is truly a Joyous feeling.
>To discover - yes, the discovery brings Joy. It's like "Wow", I
>recognize this, I never noticed before. To recognize/be aware,
>allows us freedom - allows us choices. We have the freedom to
>choose.
>
>In the recognition of this freedom to choose, allows us to be
>responsible for ourselves. The path to independence.
>
>In making choices with awareness we become free. We grow in
>confidence. The confidence to know who we are.
>
>Once we are aware of even a glimmer of who we are, we are off and
>running into the Light. The glimmer is like a spark and the spark
>becomes the flame. It just grows and grows. It can not be snuffed
>out; it is eternal, ever becoming brighter. Love for ourselves glows
>from this flame. So it is to ever reach for the flame, the light.
>When we find ourselves in the darkness, reach for the flame,
>remember the light in our hearts, it has not gone out, only shadowed
>by our fear.
>
>In Love, Light and Joy
>Marion
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Phillips <phillipsATnospamunbc.ca>
To: thegardenATnospamworld.std.com <thegardenATnospamworld.std.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Self love
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:27:02 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: but seriously . . .
Message-Id: <970313132702.n0000763.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 13 Mar 98, Anurag Goel wrote...
>Hi Jason,
> I think that most of the jokes are the things which project
> someone's foolishness and there is no point in laughing at
> someone's foolishness and atleast the person on the path
> of Kundalini awakening won't do that.
Hi Goel,
but seriously now (I take it you are being serious and not foolish) why not
laugh at yourself and your foolishness? Because you are not a fool? That in
itself is vanity and foolishness. As for people on the path of 'kundalini
awakening' being incapable of laughing at their own or others foolishness - you
are of course right.
- Only joking!
> Can you tell me why should I laugh and what will make me
> laugh when people out there are suffering.
You are a serious sour-puss aren't you?
No I can not tell you why you should laugh or indeed why you should listen to
music when there are deaf people out there.
> One should be happy, Happy so that your happiness encourages
> others, feel happy to solve the problem of others and put a
> smile on your face when you see a smile on their face.
I have a smile on my face because I am happy. :) I do not know that I should be
anything. Sometimes I am sad :(
However I do not have to put a smile on my face - that would be a joke - no I am
happy to be happy and glad to be sad because I know soon I will be happy again .
. .
So what's your problem?
You are quite right I can not solve the spiritual problems of one as serious as
thou.
Seriously
:-D Lobster :-D
- only joking . . .
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:03:51 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: crazy and crazed
Message-Id: <970313080351.n0000745.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
>>Glo Lee replies:
>>Dearest Ed....
>>Doubt if you would recall this, but about a year ago when I first
>>joined this crazy and crazed list...between my own confusion over what
>>I was experiencing and the extremely strong energies and points of view
>>being expressed here..well, I was terrified of even posting, let alone
>>revealing my own situation and feelings and fears. However, there was
>>just one person who seemed very *safe* to me because he had such a
>wacky
>>sense of humor and seemed very kind beneath the sarcasm.
>>So.. I wrote to him. And he was in fact very kind and helpful.
>> Thanks, Lobster, you were my first friend here.
Dear Glo,
You are more than welcome. Part of the reason I use a silly name is because
people remember it pictorially, rather than the abstraction of a name (though
some people do this with names).
Sarcasm is not a good trait.
I am glad I provided what you required and that I am a friend.
Others will have had very different dealings with me.
People have mentioned how it is possible to pick up the emotional condition of a
person through their email.
You can become very sensitive to this energy. Very subtle nuances become aware
to you, that the person themself may be unaware of or consider of minor
importance. It could be argued (though I find this explanation inadequate) that
we are merely interpreting the words and gaining the empathy from an internal
processing and interpretation.
Whatever the explanation we can be kind and offer support and understanding
(this is usually the best course of action) or something else is possible . . .
We can stimulate the requirement of the person (assuming our understanding is
correct - that is another question - I would contend that even if we are wrong,
potential for learning is always present).
Consider these situations where the 'teacher' is in fact providing for the
*Real* need of the student:
"I am always being picked on and humiliated by the other students Master."
The Master slaps the students face.
"I need your attention Oh Great Teacher"
"Go away. Can't you see I am busy teaching . . . "
"Please help me oh great Yogi"
"Help you? I can not even stand on my head for five minutes without you
demanding something - Get a life!"
Now there are two types of teacher that behave in this way. Delusional and
misguided pseudo-mystics and *some* enlightened teachers who care for the real
being of people and not what others think of them.
It is for this and other reasons that I could never teach, the responsibility is
to great. However like everyone on this list I am happy to share what I know
without being obsessed about whether I am taking the part of teacher, friend or
learner. These distinctions are not that important. What is of value, is has the
encounter been worthwhile, has it served some higher ideal. If so all well and
good . . .
The sarcastic
safe and whacky
friendly Lobster
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 07:09:49 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: Arnold <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>, Dave <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk>,
Harish <hari_patelATnospamlondonelec.co.uk>, Jan <jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca>,
ken <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Afaq <sir_moogATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: one with
Message-Id: <970313070949.n0000743.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
So the Zen master steps up to the hot dog cart and
says: "Make me one with
everything."
The hot dog vendor fixes a hot dog and hands it to
the Zen master, who
pays with a $20 bill. The hot dog vendor puts the
bill in the cash drawer
and closes the drawer.
"Where's my change?" asks the Zen master.
And the hot dog vendor responds, "Change must come
from within."
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:08:08 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Pam Myers <pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Is unsubscribing possible
Message-ID: <3509219C.30FCATnospamintercomm.com>
Pam Myers wrote:
I keep this on my desktop for folks getting lost. Hope it helps. Gloria
>
> I have been trying to unsubscribe from this list for several weeks now.
> The UNSUBSCRIBE message to server does not work. I have written to the
> list owner....any other ideas?
>
> If anyone getting this has the means to take me off this list...please do
> so!
>
> Thanks
> Pam
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Pam Myers: pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu
> http://WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/HotSprings/Spa/2290
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:05:43 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: growth
Message-ID: <73311da8.35099fa4ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-13 00:35:19 EST, peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in writes:
<< Angelique's mysticism.
Gloria's heart centered spiritualism,
Lobester's sufism,
Harsha's Kaviliya samadhi or enlightment,
David Bozzo's acceptance,
Janpa's Buddhism,
Shahanshah's egoism,
etc, etc.
Are all games towards..... GROWTH...GROWTH
GROWTH towards what? and for what?
>>
Harsha writes:Yes dear Peshwani. This list is for growth through Satsangha
towards One's Own Reality however you conceive IT to be. Satsangha is
universally recognized as the Great Force which hastens spiritual development
and leads to Self-Realization. Satsangha means the company of the Self or the
company of other aspirants on the spiritual path. We have that here. We truly
have many beautiful and wise people here. There are many many mature spiritual
personalities on the list and not all of them post frequently. Still people
benefit from the environment that is created here. It is a safe haven for many
who are wandering looking for information on the Kundalini Shakti. Any and
every question on a spiritual matter gets its day in the Sun. There are
conversations, there is humor, (there are objections to humor!), there is
compassion (and objections to it!), there are disagreements, (there are even
duals!). No idea (or person!) escapes the gentle scrutiny of list members and
some people exit. But this makes up the totality of the beauty that emanates
from this spiritually charged atmosphere. Grace is hidden in This Satsangha!
The Force of Grace is extremely subtle but Real. When the time is right, and
the aspirant is ripe, the instructions or words conveying the Truth come into
Awareness and then It Works! Best wishes from..........Harsha
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:27:15 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: African magic, juju, witch doctors etc /A Bit Long
Message-ID: <70f39b28.3509b2c5ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Tom,
I don't know if this qualifies as an answer, but a few months ago I watched a
program on 50,000 yr old rock ptgs with Alan Alda (?)and David Lewis-
Williams in the Drakenberg(?) mountains. Lewis-Wms said that in 1870 Wilhelm
Black asked native people what the paintings showed. They answered that they
were ceremonies, religious rituals. (not hunting pictures)
I roughly transcribed it because of its relationship to K.
Lewis-Wms took Alda to look at the paintings: "Take this figure. It has no
legs but it has a hand raised to its nose. The word nose was actually used as
a metaphor for curing power or the power to go into trance into the spirit
world.
On this side of the painting it's a kneeling figure and its arms are in this
backward position which go right out of the back like that and that puzzled us
for a long time. Because you get this very awkward arm position painted all
over S. Africa. And I was in the Kalahari talking to some San (Bushmen)
medicine men and one of them said without my asking him. There is something
else I can tell you, and he stood up and bent forward and put his arms into
that posture and straight away I knew he was going to explain what had puzzled
us for decades. And he gave us a background for that picture. (So what was
it? AA asked) And he said some medicine men adopt this posture when they are
asking God, that is Ahweh to put more supernatural power umph more urgency
into their bodies and then when ahweh puts the power into them it goes into
the backbone, into the spine, and I believe that between the shoulders there
is a sort of hole which they call the "gneh" spot and if you look at this
animal it's got this line coming out of this same spot. It's a line of little
crosses and those represent bees and bees had supernatural power in them."
The program then showed a 40 yr old film showing a bushman ceremony trance
dancing with medicine men stepping with arms slightly behind them being held
by others --"entering a trance crossing into the spirit world...there is a
collapsed dancer in the painting with lines from his head representing travel
to the spirit world. so it is not a hunt."
On another note, In a coffee table book "Gods and myths of the Ancient World
by Mary Barnett, The Egyptian God "MIN" Is described: God of male potency and
of fertility. His early emblem, somewhat resembling a bolt of lightening had
been impossible to interpret [!!]
Sorry this is so long,
Love, Hillary
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