1998/02/28 18:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #156
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 156
Today's Topics:
Song (prayer) of my Heart-Harsha [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ CKRESS <CKRESSATnospamaol.com> ]
Re:A beginner's experience [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: help?/MAYBE..Cara [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Duality and Unity (was: Re Seeking C [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Thanks for responding [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: A beginner's experience [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
ANGEL MUSIC [ Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospams ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Seeking Comment [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: amusement [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Duality and Unity (was: Re Seeki [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: A beginner's experience [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: ANGEL MUSIC [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Chanting ?'s [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Chanting ?'s [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: ANGEL MUSIC [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Duality and Unity (was: Re Seeki [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:37:19 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Song (prayer) of my Heart-Harsha
Message-ID: <4ef375dc.34f75c43ATnospamaol.com>
I wrote the following song in a mood of ecstacy inspired by the Gujrati poem,
"Maitri Bhavnu" written by Chitrabhanu Ji, one of spiritual leaders of Jainism
in India and in North America. Often people discuss the sadness and pain of
their life on this list. Reading of this poem (prayer) may help in removing
some of the sorrow.
THE SONG OF MY HEART:
LET THIS FEELING NEVER PART!
The sacred stream of love divine
sweeter than the sweetest wine
flowing into this vast sunshine
springs eternal from my heart.
I pray no one should be left out
from life's blessings in their glory
and give way to tortured doubt
with unhappy endings to their story.
Never should they be turned away
who are suffering from the blows of life
the poor, the wretched of this world
caught helplessly in endless strife.
If ever anyone should be in need
of some comfort or help in getting up
let me not run away from them
but plant kindness as my living seed.
Let me give hope where there is despair
and mend hearts considered beyond repair
like the gentle ocean breeze that
heals all wounds and gives a fresh start
Let this feeling never part!
I should always find delight
in the warmth of universal light
but if my heart must bleed at all
let it be so in the dark of night.
No one should see the tears that come
when the wicked and cruel come in my sight
let this hand forever be raised in peace
and the violence around us come to cease.
Know that wrongs inflicted on one's brother
always come back to haunt the one,
who created the pain for the imagined other,
even mental arrows quickly find their mother.
But always this thought should be kept alive
that every sinner is a future saint
there should be a place for everyone
to swim in the pouring love divine
that flows eternal from my heart
Let this feeling never part!
Unaware, if someone is unkind
let forgiveness be on my mind
until no trace is left behind
of ill will, anger or hostility.
If I should ever slip and fall
and no one to catch me is around
let me come down gently like a leaf
so other life is unhurt on the ground.
If I have to lay for some time
contented should be my smile
composing songs of love and friendship
and resting all the while.
I will be picked up by love divine
which springs eternal in my heart
for all the beings everywhere
Let this feeling never part!
Sages have sung the song of friendship
walking with them and in their shoes
the same melody now plays on my lips
the feeling of reverence for life continues.
Involuntary poets, there have been many
who felt the thrill and saw the sign
whose hearts sang out in ecstasy
as their fountain bubbled with love divine.
The blessings of nature are bestowed
on those who are firm in their belief
who are harmless to others and easily bow
before anyone, seeing only divinity.
If I should be granted just one thing
let it be the vision of love
always rising from the spring
sacred and eternal in my heart
Let this feeling never part!
>>
Copyright 1994 Harsh K. Luthar (also known as Harsha, Harshadeva, Harshacharya
etc.)
In a message dated 98-02-16 00:37:22 EST, ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net writes:
>
> << the point is some people are interested in speed
> granted, time is an illusion
> but shit happens
> and it happens in the context of time >>
>
> Harsha writes: But there are no magic solutions dear friend. Those who
offer
> them are themselves confused. There are no magic solutions; there is only
> Magic. See it Clearly in your own Self.
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:56:35 EST
From: CKRESS <CKRESSATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <aceeed8b.34f77ce5ATnospamaol.com>
Thanks to those on list and those who privately responded supportively to my
last post. I always feel reluctant to wax philosophical on the list -- it's a
delicate balance between contributing something possibly helpful and getting
pulled into the ever-present games of one-upmanship which seem to fragment the
flow of meaningful communication. I'm not professing to be innocent of this
myself. It is not a matter of lacking experiences of enlightment... in fact,
the more profound and illuminating one's experiences, the greater the
temptation to take on an attitude of superiority.
I've had "ultimate reality" experiences which matched anything I've ever read
in spiritual literature, including the complete dissolution of the ego. But I
am obviously not permanently egoless or I wouldn't be here speaking as an "I."
I don't consider myself a Buddhist but I do believe that living with
compassion is the "highest" expression of spirit we can attain while still
embodied in the world.
I apologize if I come across as She-who-knows-all or holier than thou. Don't
believe it -- it's all a trick of smoke and mirrors!
Shanti,
El
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:36:30 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:A beginner's experience
Message-ID: <34F7A25E.EA2CFECATnospammail.snet.net>
Jenn1881ATnospamaol.com wrote:
> one of the ways to evolve into the soul being that is ME
> and to become one, connected with all others is to let go of self.
Yes, we let go of our images of what we think we are to discover our soul is already
forever evolved, forever one with All, and never was there a moment this was
not so.
> My effort,
> therefore, is not to say or do things consciously like "Self, I've got it in
> for you today" or "Self, I'm going to beat you into the ground".
Wonderful. We can be so cruel to ourself. This shadow project loses steam simply as
we watch it in us with awareness and notice all the consequences of such
mistreatment.
Taking a warm tone with oneself is crucial for healing. You may be able to train
yourself
to not say hurtful statements to yourself, but beyond this alone you need to fuel
warmth
toward yourself, no?
> Rather, I'm
> committed to the process of how God will help me rid my soul of the "self
> things" such as ego which is comprised of pride, jealousy, lust, control, self
> interest, etc., etc.
Who does the getting rid of? Do you see where I'm coming from?Only ego would struggle
with trying to rid itself of itself.
Does God know about ego?
David wrote: >Whose meditations? What about just Meditation.
> David, I'm not sure I get your point on this one.
Admittingly it's a subtle point. Assume that meditation is not 'your' meditation. It's
Gods'.
> Since I do not yet flow in a constant state of doing God's will,
We say things like this but how would we know?
> my day consists of my waking things like
> work, taking care of my family, recreation, etc. plus a 20-30 minute period of
> meditation.
And when as you say "flow in a constant state of doing Gods' will' you will still
work,take care of your family, etc.no?
> try to blame that "something" on being busy with this or that.
Meditate on that something. I'd suggest it's a type of doorway.
> But the truth
> is, it is something lower within me that is trying to block me getting to a
> higher spot and I call this lower thing ego or self.
Ego would prefer you see it this way. Ego would never have you discover this 'higher
spot' is everywhere and all that is. Ego would have you believe this
higher place is far, far away from you. If it were up to ego, you would strive
for eternity to find yourself someplace else.Yes, spirit and ego have different
agendas.But I'd hope you hold nothing against ego.
> David wrote: >See the nature of self. Watch it like a hunter creeping silently
> toward prey.
> >What's it like to let go of nothing?
>
> I do not believe MY self is nothing.
You? You are Everything of course.But your experience seems to betray this truth.
I'll rephrase:
What's it like to let go of the belief and experience that you are not Everything?
> There is definitely stuff in MY self to be rid of!
Whatever you get rid of can't be real.
> Hopefully, someday MY self will be nothing.
You're pure now.Someday you will discover this.
at your service,
David
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:31:23 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <34F7AF3B.FF7DBE75ATnospammail.snet.net>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> There is a real body of nondual literature out there and people who know
> about nonduality.
I once knew so much about about non duality it became impossible to
experienceUnity.
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:22:51 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: help?/MAYBE..Cara
Message-ID: <34F7BB4A.691CFAEDATnospammail.snet.net>
Jeanne Garner wrote:
> Mars' orbit takes it around the solar system once every
> two earth-years. That's simple astronomy, learned by most kids in grade
> school. If a Mars transit of this house caused so much trouble each and
> every transit, every relationship in the world would be on the rocks once
> every two years.
With regard to relationships, would you know about any antagonizing solar cycles
that flair up about every month?
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:37:55 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Duality and Unity (was: Re Seeking Comment)
Message-ID: <19980228093757.24542.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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David Bozzi Wrote:
>I once knew so much about about non duality it became impossible to
>experienceUnity.
>
David: How did you manage to forget or get forwarded from the duality
knowledge-feeling and get to the path of unity?
Roberto.
Lima, Peru.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:50:08 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Thanks for responding
Message-ID: <19980228095009.24770.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Gloria and Larry:
I want to thak you for responing to my petition. It´s very meaningful to
me.
¿Is imsonmia part of the process? I´ve been in a regular state of
imsonia which never experienced before.
Thank you. A lot.
My best wishes.
Roberto.
Lima-Perú.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 06:51:56 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A beginner's experience
Message-ID: <6f75512f.34f7fa5eATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-28 00:29:34 EST, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net writes:
<< Whatever you get rid of can't be real.
You're pure now.Someday you will discover this.
>>
Harsha writes: Beautifully put David. But Why someday? Why not here and now!
If not here then where? If not now then when?!
Past and future are no more
hopes and dreams have come and gone
Its time now to embrace and rest my love
no day, no night, just all alone
>From the love poetry of Harsha (Harsh K. Luthar)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:40:01 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com (HeartZen)
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <f28bce29.34f805a3ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-27 21:58:35 EST, CKRESSATnospamaol.com writes:
<< I've had "ultimate reality" experiences which matched anything I've ever
read
in spiritual literature, including the complete dissolution of the ego. But
I
am obviously not permanently egoless or I wouldn't be here speaking as an
"I." >>
Harsha writes: Well put. What ever experience one can enter, one must come out
of. What has birth also has death. Therefore, No experience can be permanent.
People speak of "profound" or "enlightening" experiences. This is all right. A
Samadhi that is entered is conditioned by time and space and therefore cannot
give us complete satisfaction or put an end to suffering. The state of the
Sage is certainly beyond any and all "profound" experiences. He is Fully
Conscious and Sees the Self Clearly in All States of Consciousness and
Independent of All States of Consciousness. The mode of communication used by
the sage does not indicate the Nature of Self-Recognition. In a Jnani there is
no arrogance or humilty. The questions of ego and egolessness do not arise in
this state. Such a person does not consciously cultivate any virtues such as
compassion or love as they are natural to him.
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:50:12 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980228135012.0092fc60ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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Hi Harsha! :)
At 07:40 1998.02.28 EST, Harsha1MTM wrote:
>the sage does not indicate the Nature of Self-Recognition. In a Jnani
there is
>no arrogance or humilty. The questions of ego and egolessness do not arise in
>this state. Such a person does not consciously cultivate any virtues such as
>compassion or love as they are natural to him.
I wouldn't put it like that, but rather... that person knows himself as the
essence of what love, compassion and all other virtues and also the flaws
are made of. Founded in this, I Am.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:12:16 -0800
From: Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: ANGEL MUSIC
Message-ID: <34F87DB0.16CAATnospamsympatico.ca>
MUCICIAN HUMOUR:
DID YOU KNOW THAT ANGELS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO PLAY "MAJOR SEVENTH" CHORDS
WHILE SITTING ON THEIR CLOUDS? ANY DEVIATION AND YOUR HARP MUST BE
HANDED IN!
PEACE
mark
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:04:59 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: CKRESSATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <34F7E148.6B87ATnospamintercomm.com>
Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-02-27 21:58:35 EST, CKRESSATnospamaol.com writes:
>
> << I've had "ultimate reality" experiences which matched anything I've ever
> read
> in spiritual literature, including the complete dissolution of the ego. But
> I
> am obviously not permanently egoless or I wouldn't be here speaking as an
> "I." >>
Gloria here:
This is a great relization because you are aware of your duality, when
it goes, and it will...it is very different because there is only one
thing happening inside and the other is gone. This is what Harsha is
talking about, the really wonderful thing is that you don't do anything
to get this but continue to work your inner process and in humility
surrender to God. The more you are able to become absorbed into this
letting go, you will find yourself swept up into Divine Will and that
which was ego/shadow simply disappears. And it happens without thought,
trying, wanting, thinking...any of the stuff from the self. Let go and
don't push the river. When your one with the river, you become it.
>
> Harsha writes: Well put. What ever experience one can enter, one must come out
> of. What has birth also has death. Therefore, No experience can be permanent.
> People speak of "profound" or "enlightening" experiences. This is all right. A
> Samadhi that is entered is conditioned by time and space and therefore cannot
> give us complete satisfaction or put an end to suffering. The state of the
> Sage is certainly beyond any and all "profound" experiences. He is Fully
> Conscious and Sees the Self Clearly in All States of Consciousness and
> Independent of All States of Consciousness. The mode of communication used by
> the sage does not indicate the Nature of Self-Recognition. In a Jnani there is
> no arrogance or humilty. The questions of ego and egolessness do not arise in
> this state. Such a person does not consciously cultivate any virtues such as
> compassion or love as they are natural to him.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:34:57 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: amusement
Message-ID: <34F793F1.EDD1E3C8ATnospammail.snet.net>
Dirk Haueter wrote:
> I often wonder how feeling gets transmitted through writing.
Feelings are already within you.Words just remind you.
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:34:14 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Duality and Unity (was: Re Seeking Comment)
Message-ID: <34F866B6.865EC6D7ATnospammail.snet.net>
Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote:
> How did you manage to forget or get forwarded from the duality
> knowledge-feeling and get to the path of unity?Hi Roberto,
If one does not experience unity than one is on the path to unity.
I dare say all time-bound life is on path to realizing unity.
It's not a real path. We've intended a world that seems to defy unity.
It's not a real world. As individuals we can't aquire unity. It aquires
us, it is us.
I'd ask how you might come to experience yourself in a pure way.
Watch your feelings, thoughts, and intuitions without pretending you know
what
any of it means.
Ask Spirit for light. As individuals we're powerless.
As individuals we are illusionists. Imagine you are
a light , Roberto. Imagine all the boundries that limit you and separate
you from all else are shadows.
You know that what you're really asking is how does one come to know
oneself.
And for that, I'm not the one to ask...
Warmest Intent,
Light to everyone.
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:46:41 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A beginner's experience
Message-ID: <34F869A1.5CBA7DF5ATnospammail.snet.net>
Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-02-28 00:29:34 EST, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net writes:
>
> << Whatever you get rid of can't be real.
> You're pure now.Someday you will discover this.
> >>
> Harsha writes: Beautifully put David. But Why someday? Why not here and now!
> If not here then where? If not now then when?!
When one is ready. This is something we decide together.Yes, someday is here and
now.
> Past and future are no more
> hopes and dreams have come and gone
> Its time now to embrace and rest my love
> no day, no night, just all alone
>
> >From the love poetry of Harsha (Harsh K. Luthar)
Time is but illusion. Tomorrow just a lie.
Bred to cause confusion. The needle in the I.
All peace to all...
David
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:40:35 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: gtaATnospamcwnet.com, gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: ANGEL MUSIC
Message-ID: <19980228194035.21192.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>MUCICIAN HUMOUR:
>
>
>DID YOU KNOW THAT ANGELS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO PLAY "MAJOR SEVENTH"
CHORDS
>WHILE SITTING ON THEIR CLOUDS? ANY DEVIATION AND YOUR HARP MUST BE
>HANDED IN!
>
>PEACE
>
>mark
>
Cute..reminded me tho of a recently seen Rumi poem...Glo
Don't worry about saving these songs.
And if one of our intruments breaks
It does not matter.
We have fallen into the place
Where everything is music.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:49:41 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Chanting ?'s
Message-ID: <34F86A56.8FBC50A0ATnospamerols.com>
Greetings K-listers,
I have some questions about chanting, I hope some of you out there can fill me
in. I will start with the most elementary ones:
Why do you chant? What do you chant? What do the words mean? How does it
work, what does it do for you? How much time do you spend chanting? Do you
recommend it as a general practice?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:40:50 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chanting ?'s
Message-ID: <19980228.174110.3798.0.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:49:41 -0400 "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
writes:
>
>I have some questions about chanting, I hope some of you out there can
>fill me>in. I will start with the most elementary ones:
>
>Why do you chant?
Because I wanted to and I thought it was the right thing to do at the
time.
>> What do you chant?
Whatever came to me.
>>What do the words mean?
Whatever meaning I gave to them.
>>How does it work, what does it do for you?
After saying something so many times, it can possibly take you to another
consciousness.
>>How much time do you spend chanting?
None now. When I did, I spent all waking hours chanting.
>Do you>recommend it as a general practice?
Nope.
Love,
xxxtg
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:50:38 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ANGEL MUSIC
Message-ID: <34F8E91E.214BATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Geryl and Mark Waind wrote:
>
> MUCICIAN HUMOUR:
>
> DID YOU KNOW THAT ANGELS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO PLAY "MAJOR SEVENTH" CHORDS
> WHILE SITTING ON THEIR CLOUDS? ANY DEVIATION AND YOUR HARP MUST BE
> HANDED IN!
>
> PEACE
>
> mark
Mark:
Yeah, but can they keep the Philly?
Best,
Jerry
(a little... ... uh ... ... cream cheese humour)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:21:31 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Duality and Unity (was: Re Seeking Comment)
Message-ID: <19980301012138.10488.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Hi David:
You wrote in answer to my question:
>> How did you manage to forget or get forwarded from the duality
>> knowledge-feeling and get to the path of unity?Hi Roberto,
>If one does not experience unity than one is on the path to unity.
>I dare say all time-bound life is on path to realizing unity.
>It's not a real path. We've intended a world that seems to defy unity.
>It's not a real world. As individuals we can't aquire unity. It aquires
>us, it is us.
Sometimes, duality feelings just dissapear and one accepts life as it if
(with its dualities, and feels dualities as proper for some reason -call
it yin yang orientation if you will- but most of the time we feel
duality incarned in us and the higher we get (sort of speak) the
stronger the duality. That`s when one knows that there must be a state
of mind when it just dissapears and gives its place to unity or at least
to the permanent acceptance of duality as glimpsed sometimes.
>
>I'd ask how you might come to experience yourself in a pure way.
>Watch your feelings, thoughts, and intuitions without pretending you
know
>what
>any of it means.
This happens to me all the time. You must be a very sensible person to
have been capable of read-between-the-lines in my post. I am a very mind
oriented individual. But that is going to change. I´m about to practice
the focusing on the heart thanks to wonderful Gloria`s recommendations
and meditation techniques.
>
>Ask Spirit for light. As individuals we're powerless.
>As individuals we are illusionists. Imagine you are
>a light , Roberto. Imagine all the boundries that limit you and
separate
>you from all else are shadows.
That is one of the most wonderful statements and adviced I`ve ever
recieved!
>
>You know that what you're really asking is how does one come to know
>oneself.
>And for that, I'm not the one to ask...
Yes I know, but it was a good response though
Thank You Very Much.
>
>Warmest Intent,
>Light to everyone.
>
My best wishes to everyone.
Roberto.
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