1998/02/25 23:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #152
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 152
Today's Topics: Re: Reality Check [ Jerry Katz ]
info requested [ "Sharon Webb" ] Sharing Meditation Techniques [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" ]
Re: Reality Check [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" ] Re: Seeking Comment [ CKRESSATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Abducted!..and faerie.. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>I would appreciate
> guidance from anyone who would share their own criteria for discernment and > what they would recommend for someone like me who is not very alert to the
> subtle realm, who is prone to insert her own imaginings, and who only pays > attention to the really dramatic things like uncanny synchronicity and
> physical kundalini manifestations. >
> Peg
Dear Peg,
Once you get into discernment, you never stop. You fall through whatever
you are attending to. So how can anyone possibly advise you as to what is meaningful and straight? It all must be transcended anyway.
Still, if you need a selective filter on all that is coming at you,
offered up, spoken of, observed, imagined and plainly felt, maybe you should investigate the traditional teachings offered by something like
The Himalayan Institute or The Art of Living. There are many others. I myself am not involved in either, but know about them and can talk to
you more about this subject privately.
Things can get confusing. And there is no Answer. Therefore, you get many answers.
Going alone is very hard sometimes. You say you haven't found a teaching
that is right for you. If you knew a teaching was right for you, that would imply you already understood it pretty well.
So trust a little. At first get lightly involved with a teaching. One
step at a time.
Whatever you're experiencing, whether it's being abducted by kundalini or waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles, you are
attending to it. Right? Attention itself, the slightest movement of attention, must be attended to as attention. You attend to attention
itself. Not to the object of attention.
Unceasingly, with the stick of attention hit the drum of attention. The sound is OM. Sooner or later, you have to attend to That.
Anyway, Peg, Ann Bancroft's quote, "You can teach yourself to love what
is important," sounds like another spaceship to me. What does that entire quote mean outside the context of the movie? Doesn't it beg the
question, "What is important?" Isn't that your bottom line question?
Best to all,
Jerry
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:04:28 -0500
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Hi,
I'm doing a (very) short article on kundalini for Eye On the Web. If you were trying to explain to a lay person what k is in one sentence, I'd like to hear it. I'd also like to hear, in 25 words or less :-), how it affected you at its onset, or changed your life. If you'd like to respond, please indicate whether or not you want your name used in the article. BTW, I'll be including a few URLs in the article, but these will probably be the general info sites.
Here is the Eye On the Web URL in case you'd like to check out the site. It's a good one. I have been using it as my home page for about a year.
http://www.eyeontheweb.com/
Thanks.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu A new fractal gallery was posted to this site on Jan. 1, '98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/ USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site; NetTech NeatTech: Best of the Web; Eye Candy, Honorable Mention;
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:17:15 PST From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Sharing Meditation Techniques
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Hi Everyone:
I've been reading certain postings regarding polls from Kundalini
related experiences. I find meditation to be a fascinating issue in most polls. Since we all
have our own ways of meditation I think it would be a good thing if we describe the way we meditate.
Since I know about Kundalini for a short while but have experienced it's ways for a long time and live far (geographically speaking) It would be
of great importance not only to myself but to everyone if we share or meditation techniques with each other.
I've ordered the book "Kundalini: The Arousal of the Inner Energy" by
Ajit Mookerjee. (is it good?) via mail with Amazon.com and that will be my first book on K. But, living in Lima, Peru, it will take another 4
weeks or so to come.
So, let's share our ways.
Here's mine:
I sit in my bed (I`d rather do it in the country but now with "el niño" you can't go there for a while, cross my legs, close my eyes touch one
hand with the other and breath in and out while picturing the cleansing oxygen brings me when I'm inhaling air and the way the blood keeps clean
when I blow slowly the carbonic anhydride out. Then I picture and listen to the beat of my heart and focus on the chakras, I see a yellow bright
light that goes form my sex to the middle of my stomach so I guess that's as far as I've come. Later, focusing on my nervous system I try
to clean all impurities and blockings with breathing (the same way I do with my blood). Breathing is very important to my practices. Finally if
I get to feel in contact with the flow of things, with air and wind and vibrations I visualize myself, my loved ones, and the things that matter
to me in that particular time and try to put them in focus with the flow of things (which is very hard for me to do, I hope to improve on this
side reading and with your help). When I "return" It's always in a state where waves of light surround the place I'm in. Dizziness and bliss. You
know the feeling.
But there are really experienced people on this list. Sharing your ways will be helpful for all of us I think.
My best wishes to you all.
Roberto.
Lima, Peru.
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From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hi Everyone:
I've been reading certain postings regarding polls from Kundalini related experiences.
I find meditation to be a fascinating issue in most polls. Since we all have our own ways of meditation I think it would be a good thing if we
describe the way we meditate. Since I know about Kundalini for a short while but have experienced it's
ways for a long time and live far (geographically speaking) It would be of great importance not only to myself but to everyone if we share or
meditation techniques with each other.
I've ordered the book "Kundalini: The Arousal of the Inner Energy" by Ajit Mookerjee.
Via mail with Amazon.com and that will be my first book on K. But, living in Lima, Peru, it will take another 4 weeks or so to come.
So, let's share our ways.
Here's mine:
I sit in my bed (I`d rather do it in the country but now with "el niño"
you can't go there for a while, cross my legs, close my eyes touch one hand with the other and breath in and out while picturing the cleansing
oxygen brings me when I'm inhaling air and the way the blood keeps clean when I blow slowly the carbonic anhydride out. Then I picture and listen
to the beat of my heart and focus on the chakras, I see a yellow bright light that goes form my sex to the middle of my stomach so I guess
that's as far as I've come. Later, focusing on my nervous system I try to clean all impurities and blockings with breathing (the same way I do
with my blood). Breathing is very important to my practices. Finally if I get to feel in contact with the flow of things, with air and wind and
vibrations I visualize myself, my loved ones, and the things that matter to me in that particular time and try to put them in focus with the flow
of things (which is very hard for me to do, I hope to improve on this side reading and with your help). When I "return" It's always in a state
where waves of light surround the place I'm in. Dizziness and bliss. You know the feeling.
But there are really experienced people on this list. Sharing your ways
will be helpful for all of us I think.
My best wishes to you all.
Roberto. Lima, Peru.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:17:02 -0800 From: anandajyoti
To: "PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com" CC: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" ,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" Subject: Reality Check
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PEGLUMPKIN wrote: >I would appreciate
> guidance from anyone who would share their own criteria for discernment and
> what they would recommend for someone like me who is not very alert to the
> subtle realm, who is prone to insert her own imaginings, and who only pays
> attention to the really dramatic things like uncanny synchronicity and
> physical kundalini manifestations. >
> Peg
Anandajyoti>
The way I learnt and practiced the process of discrimination is : I sit still, relax my body, for around ten minutes sometimes more, and
put the question to myself. Then sit another ten or fifteen minutes, and objectively follow and note the images, thoughts, emotions, surfacing
within, my body and mind, distinguish between concrete and abstract informations coming up on the mental plane.
Most of the times I write down these informations surfacing. I have found through this process, that certain aspects do come up which may or
may not indicate possible challenges or problems, which I consider with repeated questioning.
Keeping the notes helps me recall and also check the accuracy of my recall.
This process not only strengthens memory but definitely has helped me acquire a keen awareness and sense of discernment.
Sometimes, I do not get answers right away, then I revisit the notes and do it again. During this period of self examination, I normally
become withdrawn and silent, on the related issues. I do not avoid the environments but inwardly the process carries on..
The time involved in this process is dependent on the depth of the issue. Finally the answer dawns on my mind, like the rising Sun. Then
also I keep on the awareness even after I have decided on my course of action, as new informations come in even after the involvement through
the action. As without, so within and vice versa. There is no magic button in this process.Elemental, my dear WATSON.
Discernment or discrimination to me is sort of a battle axe, as all my
desires are neither conducive nor detrimental to my growth. But the desire to grow for beneficent purposes is necessary for growth
to take place. So, Discernment allows us the choices to sever undesirable
characteristics without hurting oneself or others and also offers us clarity of what needs to cut asunder and what needs to be preserved.
The considerations in the process vary according to innate individual qualities and aspirations of each person.
The spiritual road is indeed lonesome and exclusive to oneself , until you meet your true
spiritual companion. The more tense is the bow, further will the arrow go and greater is the
impact on the target. Awareness and discernment are two veritable tools , whether in outer or
inner life. Questions like: What/Who do I open myself totally too and why? Who/What
do I invite in my mind , for my growth Whenever Awareness is present, the freedom of the mind is preserved.
Anandajyoti http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:45:19 EST From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Reality Check
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Dear Jerry,
I love your phrase "abducted by Kundalini!" Indeed!
Love, Hillary Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:40:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: RUNNING WOLF AGEE-BRENNAN
CC: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM Subject: Re: GREETINGS/TEST
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RUNNING WOLF AGEE-BRENNAN wrote: >
> I have been reading the mail for months now and trying to figure out > how to post!!
> Test Test Test. >
> Running Wolf
You just did it, jump in. GG
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
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Hope you enjoy them! Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:16:46 -0800
From: Jerry Katz To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > Dear Jerry,
> > I love your phrase "abducted by Kundalini!" Indeed!
> > Love, Hillary
Dear Hillary,
You know what? I've been hearing about alien abductions for a few years now, and whenever I see someone on a television documentary describe the
event, I find myself turning to my wife and saying, "Honey, that's kundalini, that's what that is." It usually elicits a response like,
"Are you gonna wash the car this Saturday?"
But that's another story. The point is, the kundalini I have known is an utterly devastating force which paralyzes the body, descends into it,
then turns up the spine, an evidently alien sphere of intelligence and power, lights-up the third eye where it offers to grant three wishes,
because that's about how many you can make before the force backs-up, busts through your palate and crunches out the top of your head.
If you're lucky, it'll do that. If you're not, you end up on Channel 10
babbling through your fake beard about how people from another planet gave you a humiliating physical examination. (When they took-off from
their home planet did someone yell out, "Hey, did you remember the examination table?"?) Gimme a break.
It's kundalini.
Personally, it is not my life. It comes. It goes. I'm curious about it,
and if I can lend some worthwhile, interesting and entertaining glimpses of kundalini, that's fine. It's certainly an amazing thing that, even
when you're familiar with it, can scare the hell out of you.
But it's only the power of the universe. Was there ever anything else?
Enough.
Thanks, Hillary, for opening a door to a room that is extremely interesting.
Best,
Jerry
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:20:41 -0400
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Thank ye kindly! ;-)
Blessings as always,
Orea "Teacher of the Day!!!"
Gloria Lee wrote:
> > >Wow, Orea, you wrote such wisdom here, really triggered some thoughts
> in me, too. > >
> >I was just checking out said website this week. I waded through people > who
> >give names to each of their crystals and a variety of other realities. > My
> >conclusion was that to me, much of the "stuff" was irrelevant. Where I > am
> >right now, I don't need it. >
> When I look at at all that *stuff* out there, I ask myself, "IF this may > be true, then so what? I am trying to just MMOB (mind my own business)
> Anything that takes me away into the future..like all those > predictions, etc..becomes obviously irrelevant..I may not be here in
> 2012..or what can I do about it anyway?? hehe, IF the aliens want to > give me a message, they are gonna have to show up here in person for
> breakfast. > >
> >My motto these days is "keep your eyes on the prize." >
> Yep, I just put up the sign "Begin with the end in mind" to remind me > of this. Like a road map, if my goal is to get closer to *Divinity*..it
> makes sense to follow the directions given by those who are best known > to have arrived there. So there's Buddha, Jesus, and a short list of
> some assorted cosmic conscious "others." I may not yet be very > proficient at following these directions, but I'm only going to listen
> to the experts for guidance. >
> > > *---*. Much of the rest falls away as mere distraction.
> > LOL when I read this. Someone once said to me.."Most of what people
> think life is about is just a distraction to you, isn't it?" > It was one of those *AHA* moments...what a comment, huh??
> > >BUT. It is not my place nor my need to criticize the
> >paths others choose, it is merely mine to choose my own. > >
> >There is something to discover about *---* wherever you choose to go, > as long
> >as you are looking for it. IMHO. >
> Again, nice reminder Orea. Having been on a few detours myself, or > perhaps taking the scenic route...who knows??? People hear what they
> want to hear..they listen when they are ready...whatever they ARE doing > seems the best they know to do for now..and that includes me, too. GG is
> sure right about that "experience Life as the teacher".It has a way of > presenting just what we need to learn..and trusting that
> *that* is what is happening has helped me to relax with the process. >
> Thanks Orea..(pinning on your *Teacher of the Day* nametag) Smile! > Love this list... Gloria Lee
> > >
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:39:51 EST From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
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Jeff wrote:
"What bothers me is the idea of non-attachment now. As I said, I thought I had achieved it, but it appears to be just an intellectual achievement.
Because, confronted with something as everyday as loss of a pet, I was devastated. Is there a distinction between this kind of loss and attachment
to things? Also, I thought the circumstances of this story quite odd and I wondered what some of you list member might have to say."
Spiritual traditions emphasize releasing attachment to RESULTS and letting go
of desires to possess and control life. There is a great difference between this and an incapacity to love and bond with other living beings, which is a
state of spiritual degeneracy known as sociopathy.
It seems to me that the fact that Jeff loved his dog enough to grieve his death is a positive sign. Without the capacity for grief, one cannot
experience compassion. Detachment without compassion is less than reptilian. At least a reptile is following its Buddha nature. Humans are not cold-
blooded creatures, and for us to try to cultivate cold-blooded attitudes violates nature and spirit.
I suspect Jeff's stiff neck as his dog went into rapid decline was produced as
he unconsciously clamped down to prevent himself from feeling the full brunt of what was happening. In the West we are conditioned to keep our heads and
hearts separate, so there are often energy blockages in our necks and shoulders.
The connection between the body and the mind/soul is complex and involves
things which are not considered possible in the current medical model. In part, the physical pain of Jeff's pinched nerve was probably related to his
attempt to shut off his feelings. If he had been able to allow himself to grief unashamedly, I suspect he would have had less physiological reaction to
his dog's final suffering and death.
The parallel between the identical medications perscribed for spine pain for both Jeff and his dog seem to be an outer expression of the oneness of
heart/soul between them. There are psychic cords running between beings who have strong spiritual or karmic ties (this can include human/plant
relationships). The numbness in Jeff's arm may have been due to the broken flow of love/energy between him and his dog (most likely, it was this arm and
hand with which he maintained a strong physical connection to his dog while it was incarnate).
People often have the notion that living in spiritual attunement will spare
them from life's pain. The truth is that no matter what our level of spiritual development, life hurts. Spiritual awakening opens us to the
fullness of life, where we feel EVERYTHING more acutely. The difference between a spiritually realized soul and one who is still asleep is not the
absence of pain in the awakened one, but an abundance of love and joy. This is a state of radiant non-duality.
Shanti,
El Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:02:14
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Cc: DruoutATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Abducted!..and faerie..
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Isn't it interesting, tho??? And K symptoms and UFO abductions symptoms
are the same.. so either folks are mistaking K. for UFO's, or they're abducting us and waking our K.
It has always proven a pretty unpopular topic for the K-list tho..
However, I have found it so very interesting, I have opened the door further..
I found a listserv that offers free lists in exchange for adding 3 lines of spam to the bottom of each post, and I have created k-ufoATnospamcoollist.com
And that was quick and easy, so I also created k-faerieATnospamcoollist.com for
the pagan types.. like me, who have had the Fey guiding our path.
Two shiny brand new specialized K-lists with nobody on them yet.. open for new members.. be pretty quiet there, until there are some... (shrug)
Goddess provides.. Blessings, Mystress.
At 23:16 25/02/98 -0800, Jerry Katz wrote: >You know what? I've been hearing about alien abductions for a few years
>now, and I find myself turning to my wife and saying, "Honey, that's >kundalini, that's what that is."
>Thanks, Hillary, for opening a door to a room that is extremely >interesting.
> >Best,
> >Jerry
>http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator. Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:27:32 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
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CKRESSATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > Jeff wrote:
> > "What bothers me is the idea of non-attachment now. As I said, I thought I
> had achieved it, but it appears to be just an intellectual achievement. > Because, confronted with something as everyday as loss of a pet, I was
> devastated. Is there a distinction between this kind of loss and attachment > to things? Also, I thought the circumstances of this story quite odd and I
> wondered what some of you list member might have to say."
Jeff, Hi, Detachment or non-attachment is something you work at in the now in a
minute to minute relationship to your experience. It isn't something that you think about and kind of digest, it is something that pertains
to each moment as it is happening. This is why it is essential that one learns about living in the moment, and lives only connected into that
second as to transcend the concept of time. In this you become one with the moment, and you enter deeply into the ongoing knowing of detachment.
You are no longer in action/reaction but as the witness you see what is experienced all around, not only what is coming in from communication,
but what is going out from you. You also witness the emotions, the information coming into the senses, all of it when your playing the part
of the witness comes into clear awareness. This is very different then what you are talking about.
In the solar plexus the six petals in the chakra stand of the six passions they are lust, anger, greed, deceit, pride and envy, these
passions can only be discharged by letting go of them. And if you are in them, you can't let go of them. So, one must come to the understanding
of being the witness so that this place of illusion can be understood, released and transformed.
>
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
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