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kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #104


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 104

Today's Topics:
  RE: totality [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
  Is this not a TAZ? [ "barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk" <barn ]
  Re: "ear ringing" - prime numbers? [ "barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk" <barn ]
  One with Her in *All* I Do [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
  Re: Healing, was Re: Help [ "Martin Taylor, Scott Taylor Associ ]
  Re: Reincarnation in 3 parts - 2 [ "Martin Taylor, Scott Taylor Associ ]
  Re: One with Her in *All* I Do [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
  Re: What is the Totality I [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Random Acts of Kindness: [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Hoax: off topic:Re: You might get $1 [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
  RE: Fwd: Viewing the digital clock [ jocelyn.duquetteATnospamexgate.tek.com ]
  RE: Democracy [ Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk> ]
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:10:06 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: totality
Message-ID: <01BD32A4.63AAB880.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>

On Friday, February 06, 1998 1:28 AM, Susan Carlson
[SMTP:divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com] wrote:
> Intellectualism, by its very nature, seems to me as being judgemental
> and exlusive in the extreme.

A faculty of discrimination is not altogether useless. All the yogic paths
have morality as their basis which includes the development of conscience
through rationality. Yama and Niyama is fundamental to yoga and spirituality
and that requires a constant assessment of what is good and bad relative to
conditions. There is nothing new in that.

 and live and play in the full expression of god's
> joy.

which incidentally has nothing whatsoever to do with occult phenomenon. So why
so much emphasis on symptoms of this kind. Where is the love in that?

dd
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:08:52 -0000
From: "barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk" <barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Is this not a TAZ?
Message-ID: <01BD3247.F92EC2A0ATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk>

Hello again from sunny (really!) England.

Regarding current rants and objections:

Is'nt this what this list is for? A space to release energies
that _may or may-not_ have anything to do with k. Depending
on our definitions of what k 'is' and how those definitions
change from day-to-day, our ability to maintain this list as
a 'temporary autonomous zone' will fluctuate.

A certain amount of chaos/confusion/anarchy is bound to
happen. We live in confusing times! Have machines
really crashed due to the posts in question? If so, mail the
poster. If he's really the oblivious ranter hacking away at his
keyboard with 9 empty cups of coffee around him then we will
find out soon enough. 72k, bandwith? What's all this tech
for if not to abuse it now and again for the sake of a 'brain
wave' - *even if it is misguided*.

A list to help those 'with k'. An oasis in a sea of those
obsessed with order and rationality? Or just another list
that a group of us ends up calling '_my_ patch' ?

Of course the most important word in TAZ is _temporary_ !

"our wish is that *you* command"

love

barney
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:22:24 -0000
From: "barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk" <barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: "ear ringing" - prime numbers?
Message-ID: <01BD3249.DD4797E0ATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk>

In regard to current 'thread'. What were the results of a
poll that was mentioned? What kind of ringing?
I hear a pure sine wave form, with always the same high pitch.
When I was younger I fantasised a carrier wave communication
(too much star-wars!). Now I know that the phenomenon is
indicative of increasing identification with reality.

As to the clock number cycles, etc. Has anyone noticed that the
first few prime numbers often appear? Especially 23, 37 & 73?
This could be a purely private obsession of mine of course, but
the 'mystical' numbers seem to match up with what I understand
to be an exponential curve when first few prime numbers are graphed?
Er, into maths anyone? Know any good 'sacred-geometry' sites that
might give me a lead on this?

luv

barney
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:24:38 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>, Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: One with Her in *All* I Do
Message-ID: <34D9D9B8.AFECB328ATnospamerols.com>

Don't read this if you are squeamish!


Apparently last night's dinner did not agree with me because a few hours later
I got *really* sick to my stomach. It was awful, I was feeling weak-kneed and
shaky, shivering with nonexistant cold and heaving into the toilet repeatedly.
 

The third time I staggered to the bathroom, feeling completely wretched, these
words came into my mind: "I am One with Her in All I Do..."

These words kept going through my head as I resumed barfing. Even then it
struck me as sort-of funny - yet there is a significant message there, too.
BTW I didn't see a marked improvement in my performance, but it was the last
episode!

The sad part is, I've been going to that restaurant for about 15 years and
loving it...and now I may never be able to stand Chinese again!!!
;-(

Blessings,

Orea
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:43:17 +0000
From: "Martin Taylor, Scott Taylor Associates" <bdan2ATnospamcyberware.co.uk>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>, acarreATnospamconcentric.net,
 "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Healing, was Re: Help
Message-Id: <199802051636.QAA17898ATnospamultra3.cyberware.co.uk>

From: "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>, acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:16:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Healing, was Re: Help
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Priority: normal

Antoine,
Thank you. I went and talked to someone who re-iterated the advice
you just gave me. I tried it both on myself and someone else and it
works wonderfully. Knowledge like this usually come with a lesson :).
James

> Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
> > "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> > >On the subject of healing, how does one do that without picking up
> > the subject's symptoms ? I don't get that problem real badly, but a
> > little bit comes across. The other day I had the opportunity to work
> > on a dozen or so people in about an hour (first and only time I'll
> > work on so many in so short a time). Since then I've noticed just a
> > touch of some of their symptoms, which I'll get rid of within a day
> > or so.
>
> You can heal as many people a day as you want. The limitations is only in your
> ability to tap to the infinite energies, to your attachment to certain
> concepts/ideas and/or to the openness of your chakras. When you start picking
> up on someone only means you are using your body energy instead of being a
> clear channel.
>
> Ann wrote:
>
> > Sounds like you mean healing by using your hands. I'm told that it's
> > important to keep both hands positive, that if one is negative you can pick
> > up stuff. The few times I've done this kind of healing, it worked fine - I
> > didn't pick up anything.
>
> This is true if you can't channel energy via your body energy without being
> attached in some ways to the concept/ideas that it "carries".
>
> Antoine
>
>
> --
> May the God of light grant to us sight! May the heavenly peaks grant to us
> sight! May God the creator grant to us sight! Give sight to our eyes and sight
> to our bodies that we may see. May we see the world at a single glance and in
> all its details.
>
> Rig Veda 10.158.3-4, Vedic Experience p. 340-341
>
>
>


You are all weirdo's, I don't want to be on this list. How do I
get off??
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:44:20 +0000
From: "Martin Taylor, Scott Taylor Associates" <bdan2ATnospamcyberware.co.uk>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
 "d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu" <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in 3 parts - 2
Message-Id: <199802051637.QAA17910ATnospamultra3.cyberware.co.uk>

This is total shit, you are all knobheads, I want to be removed
from this list!!!!

From: Dieter Dambiec
<d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au> Reply-to:
"d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu"
<d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au> To:
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> Subject:
  Reincarnation in 3 parts - 2 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998
21:10:42 +1100

> part 2
>
> Reactions have to be experienced for every action
> > whether a good deed or an evil one. A person cannot exist without
> > action even for a moment and so s/he keeps on working right up
> > to the moment of her/his death. This leaves no one to experience
> > the reactions after death.
> >
> > But one who works shall experience
> > the reactions; none else can be substituted to
> > do it. How will a dead person whose physical body has been
> > buried or burnt, be able to experience the reactions
> > (Karmaphala). This is must be explained.
> >
> > Unit consciousness (Atman) is immortal. It is always
> > unchanged. In course of its movement from crude to subtle, through mind,
> > unit consciousness reflects completely in the human body
> > made of the five rudimental factors created by Cosmic
> > Consciousness - etherial, aerial, luminous, liquid and solid.
> >
> > Supreme Consciousness and its Qualifying Force [creating attributional from
> > non-attributional], (ie consciousness and its principle are inseparable)
> > means that unit consciousness taking shelter in human body means in turn
> > that
> > the Qualifying Force (and as a result nature) is also there. The presence
> > of
> > Qualification of Supreme Consciousness casts an influence on unit
> > consciousness and provides it
> > with mind. Mind which is an outcome of unit consciousness
> > and the universal qualifying force of creation will exist as long as these
> > two
> > exist.
> >
> > Hence mind will
> > exist with unit consciousness only. It is in mind only that
> > one gets the feeling of 'I' and as long as mind exists, the
> > feeling of 'I' will also be there. Since unit consciousness or Soul
> > is immortal the mind which is linked with it will also not
> > die and with mind the feeling of 'I' will also be there.
> >
> > It would thus be seen that the feeling of 'I' also permeates
> > the physical body when unit consciousness (Atman) takes
> > shelter in a human body. At the time of unit consciousness
> > leaving the body, qualifying force of creation which is an inseperable
> > counterpart of unit consciousness also leaves the body. Mind
> > which is a creation of qualification will naturally leave the body.
> >
> > This results in the death of physical human body.
> > Thus death does not mean the death of unit consciousness and
> > mind. It only means the death of the physical body. Unit
> > consciousness (Atman) and mind merely leave the physical
> > body which they had earlier adopted as a shelter. This leads
> > to the question of the reason that makes unit consciousness
> > give up the physical body.
> >
> > The unit consciousness could
> > continue its march towards the subtle (ie to complete understanding) and
> > the
> > same physical
> > body till it merged finally and completely in the subtlest
> > Cosmic Consciousness. But a person's body is made of
> > the five rudimental factors which are
> > metamorphosed crude forms of Cosmic Consciousness.
> >
> > The five
> > rudimental factors are derived in the sphere of creation where
> > Cosmic Consciousness marches or is qualified from subtle to crude. Physical
> > human body also gets formed in this stage according to the
> > designs of the creation - as is all physicality and obviously has large
> > number
> > of units/expressions
> > at different stages in their march towards crudeness. There
> > would be some in the state representing the ethereal factor
> > and other factors as aerial, luminous, liquid and solid. All these being
> > inanimate expression.
> >
> > Those expressions in ethereal factor have to move on to the aerial and
> > so on, till they become the crudest like solid. This is the
> > will of creation and the qualifying force of creation impacting on Non-
> > attributional Cosmic Consciousness to give rise to Attributional Cosmic
> > Consciousness of the manifested universe.
> >
> > The qualifying Creative Force and Cosmic Consciousness in the creation
> > moves on in this pattern. If this pattern, which is the law
> > of creation has to be followed, change in human body is
> > inevitable and to bring about this change, death is
> > necessary.
> >
> > Assuming that unit consciousness could continue
> > in one body as its shelter till it gets merged in Cosmic
> > Consciousness, we are faced with the possibility of one body
> > continuing for millions and millions of years (as the chain
> > of actions and reactions may not free the unit consciousness earlier than
> > that
> > :). This would result in total stoppage
> > of the evolution of units in a body for millions and
> > millions of years and would thereby create chaos in the
> > pattern of creation and laws of creation.
> >
> > According to the
> > nature of Qualifying Force, the creation has to pass on to crude from
> > subtle, ie go back to its orginal stance; and with the passage of time, in
> > due
> > course human being
> > will also have to give up his body inevitably. This also
> > shows that human body is made of innumerable units in
> > different stages of creation which according to the pattern
> > of creation and laws of creation/qualification will evolve into innumerable
> > fully reflected unit consciousness in innumerable human
> > bodies as their shelter.
> >
> > Hence death is inevitable. Everyone will have to give
> > up this physical body. Death only means disassociation of
> > unit consciousness and mind from body; as part of creation--the mind will
> > always remain with unit
> > consciousness (at least until its liberation). The individuality of human
> > being or the idea of
> > existence is in his/her feeling of 'I' which is a part of mind
> > and always remains with it.
> >
> > Death
> > is only disassociation of mind from body and not death of
> > mind. Hence human's individuality and his/her feeling of 'I' will
> > not die. This 'I' will continue to exist with unit consciousness as long as
> > the Creative Force of qualification by its influence keeps on
> > maintaining the mind. The moment qualification of creation ceases to have
> > an
> > influence on unit consciousness and is unable to maintain
> > the existence of mind; this 'I' will also cease to exist.
> > A person's individuality and his/her 'I' will no longer exist and
> > that would be Final Death and emancipation (spiritual liberation or
> > salvation)
> > for him/her.
> >
> > One works with one's mind and experiences the
> > reactions (Karmaphala) also with the mind. It is mind which
> > converts mental action into physical activity with the help
> > of the ten organs and it is mind alone with
> > experiences the reactions (Karmaphala) as pleasure or pain.
> >
> > Death signifies death of physical body, while the mind
> > merely quits the body. The mind, which performs all actions
> > and bears their consequences survives to experience the
> > reactions of the actions performed up to the very moment of
> > death. The question about the entity that should experience
> > the consequences of actions thus does not arise. Mind is the
> > entity which acts and that does not die, hence it alone will
> > have to experience the reactions (Karmaphala).
> >
> > Mind is
> > subtle and it has to take the help of some crude base
> > to be able to perform actions. This crude base
> > is the brain of human body and it is with the help
> > of this base that our mind is able to work. Mind
> > and brain are so closely connected that one cannot work
> > without the other. Brain without mind ceases to function
> > and similarly if the mind's base, brain is not in
> > proper order mind will not be able to work. A dead person's
> > body has a brain but it does not func tion because it is
> > dead and there is no mind in it. Similarly when a person
> > becomes unconscious or is made so with the help of some
> > anesthesia, his/her brain becomes non-functional for some time
> > with the result that mind also does not work, as its
> > physical base, the brain is not fit to function.
> >
> > The unconscious state is not the state of death and so
> > neither unit consciousness nor mind leaves the body.
> > Although, in this state mind remains within the body, it
> > does not work due to brain not being in proper order and one
> > finds oneself unable to make out anything. It is, therefore,
> > necessary for mind to take shelter in brain as its physical
> > base for being able to function and even to experience the
> > reaction (Karmaphala) of its actions. After death mind quits
> > the body and also gives up its physical base, the brain. It
> > has however been performing some action or the other right
> > up to the moment of death and will have to experience the
> > reactions (Karmaphala) of the same.
> >
> > It is in fact to
> > experience these reactions and owing to its inability to do
> > so without brain that the mind has to take shelter in a new
> > body in a subsequent birth. Mind comes into being as a
> > result of the qualifying influence of the Creative Force of the Supreme
> > Consciousness (ie so that multiplicity derives from Oneness - otherwise
> > manifest creation is not possible) over unit
> > consciousness (soul) and since unit consciousness and its principle
> > by which is it qualified are inseparable - the unit consciousness also
> > takes
> > shelter in a new body along with mind.
> >
> > In other words mind
> > and unit consciousness are both reborn. They have to take
> > another birth to complete the experience of reactions of
> > actions of previous life. Thus it is seen that one who is
> > born has to face death and that rebirth after death is also
> > inescapable. This will continue to alternate till the
> > journey of unit consciousness from crude to subtle, (up to
> > the final merger with Cosmic Consciousness) does not end.
> > Unit consciousness may have to continue this journey for an
> > an almost (but not quite) indefinite period and it will have to keep on
> > taking
> > shelter
> > in new bodies after discarding the old ones.
> >
> > After death the mind is incapable of any action due to
> > the lack of its physical base, the brain, and has to be
> > reborn for experiencing reactions of its previous actions.
> >
> > Hence the conception of hell or heaven where a person is supposed to go
> > after death is entirely incorrect. It is believed that as a
> > result of one's good deeds one experiences all the pleasures
> > in heaven and pain in hell for one's evil deeds. But
> > pleasure and pain cannot be experienced by mind which in the
> > state after death is nonfunctional till on rebirth it
> > acquires a new brain. Pleasure and pain require nerve cells and fibres.
> > Conception of a world of heaven or
> > hell after death is a greatly mistaken imagination. There is
> > no other world where heaven and hell exist. It is in this
> > mortal world only where one has to be reborn to experience
> > the pleasures of heaven and the sufferings of hell.
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:27:49 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: One with Her in *All* I Do
Message-Id: <199802051727.LAA28919ATnospamdfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>

Your feeling connected to the divine while vomiting reminded me of a
6-day migraine I once had that brought me to my knees (full meaning
intentional). But I realized after the 3rd day that it was just as
much a transcendent experience as a bliss episode. A friend called it
a "descendent" experience! There's a lot of liberation in viewing life
this way. Holly
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:22:18 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu" <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: What is the Totality I
Message-ID: <34D984C6.56BAATnospamintercomm.com>

Dieter Dambiec wrote:
>
> Some person on this list thinks k has a lot to do with dominatrix practices.
> Any fool can indulge in this sort of thing. To understand k one needs a
> conception of what is creation and the universe and what is consciousness
> because actually everything has kundalinii. To not approach it that way is an
> indication of ignorance and all that the person wants is a bit of a high from
> time to time and a bit of useless occult indulgence.

Dear Dieter,
 Thank you for the post that you brought out, I can see you went into
this really wanting to explain yourself. The problem is that what does
come across is a real strong projection which is only making people
react. I understand where you are coming from as do others on the list
I'm sure, but what we also have to see is that God is using this for
some reason and we have the opportunity to bridge the gap and bring love
and transformation in. The fact is that people live from where they are
in the experience, and while yours and my experience does not include
the dominatrix one, it does exsit and therefore has to transform from
its place of being, and in all things nothing transforms from judgement.
You know this from your meditation experiences, you observe, detach and
let go...right. This is the same.We don't have to agree with everything,
observing will do just fine if it can happen without judgement.

We can instead focus on the really loving things that comes through the
list, it is here, we see it come through the posts naturally with great
clarity. About two or three times a year some kind of confrontation
takes place, which also has purpose, and with it probably some people
leave. I suspect that this happens to disturb people who can dip into
spiritual pride and arrogance. What you have written is really wonderful
sharing and is truth no doubt, but at the same time we have to love
others where they are. Do you agree? Gloria
>
>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:31:22 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Random Acts of Kindness:
Message-ID: <34D986E5.77CCATnospamintercomm.com>

Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:

Mystress, great post, Oprah does this on her show a lot if you are
familiar with her Angel Network. It is really quite powerful. When I
published by Community Newspaper we did a lot in this space, and people
are really very kind when allowed the opportunity. GG
>
>
> Global Event:
> RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS GOES GLOBAL!
>
> [The Random Acts of Kindness Foundation continues to explore new ways to
> motivate deep behavioral change.]
>
>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:59:25
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hoax: off topic:Re: You might get $1000 and win98
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980205115925.5b3f5ee6ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

  If you get a copy of this chain letter, (Subject line: You might get
$1000 and win98)please don't forward it. It is a bandwidth wasting hoax
monster.

At http://www.Microsoft.Com/msdn/news/backtalk/013098.htm it says:

Backtalk
by the MSDN Team

 It's a hoax!
 We've been receiving lots of mail asking about a chain letter for a
 new Microsoft Beta E-mail Tracking Application (BETA). It's a
oax, which started on AOL and spread to the Internet. We don't
 know who's sending out the mail, but Microsoft and AOL have
nothing to do with it. There is no tracking application, so please don't
forward the mail.
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:46:26 -0800
From: jocelyn.duquetteATnospamexgate.tek.com
To: ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: ThaimiATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: Viewing the digital clock
Message-ID: <A92570F31482D111AF1300805F19A10D012568ATnospamus-wv-m07.wv.tek.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Maybe better food will help you. I had the same problem for years and
I'm now stabilizing. See the book on Spiritual ... and the Rainbow diet
by Gabriel Consens.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Mary Broad [SMTP:ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 1:47 PM
> To: Mystress Angelique Serpent
> Cc: ThaimiATnospamaol.com; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Viewing the digital clock
>
> Hello:)
> I am knew to this list, one day and thats it.
> I too, have had many, many nights for years and years on and off in
> cycles...waking at 3:00 AM...I usually awakened instantly, fully
> alert,
> and tried to fall asleep agian from then on. I usually attributed it
> to
> aliens and since they weren't hurting me, decided it was ok. It
> hasn't
> happened in a while. Now I don't fall asleep untill 1-2 ish no matter
> when I go to bed.
>
> Smile :)
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, this is a K-symptom..in the 80's, I went thru a long period
> of
> > waking at 3am or shortly after.. the wierdness had me feeling
> slightly
> > haunted, wondering what was waking me, but I did not connect it with
> a
> > feeling of a prescence, at the time. Didn't know about K. then.
> > From my christian background, I know that 3:pm is considered the
> most
> > sacred time of day, it is the time when Christ dies on the cross..
> that
> > thought would float into my mind, at tht time, and I would get that
> 3:am
> > was the most sacred time of night. Polarities.
> > Now that I think on it, it happened for a while in my teens, too.
> I would
> > wake up with the absolute conviction of an invisible sasquatch
> outside my
> > bedroom window.. I have since discovered sasquatches and alien
> contacts are
> > connected... just like in that old "6 million Dollar man" episode...
> Go
> > figger..?
> > Blessigns, Mystress.
> >
> > At 14:38 02/02/98 EST, ThaimiATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > >I have been viewing the clock every night between 3:00am and 3:59am
> for the
> > >last two or three months. I have shared this with friends and
> relatives and
> > >some of them had too. I have no idea what it means. But when I wake
> up
> > between
> > >those hours, I feel the presence of an etheric being in my room.
> > >
> > >L & L,
> > >Thaimi
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Mystress Angelique Serpent,
> > Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
> > Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
> > :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
>
> > I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by
> mystery
> > than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend
> it.
> > -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
>
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the
> world.
> >
> >
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:48:30 -0000
From: Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk>
To: "d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu" <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Democracy
Message-ID: <01BD326F.6C1DE8A0ATnospammirage11.legend.co.uk>

I'd agree that List Mystress will take appropriate action if it is needed. Whatever...

Dieter: the series of posts I have just received has obviously taken a great deal of time and effort to put together. I plan on reading it all properly sometime. This is not because I feel I'll find anything that will aid me but because I am interested in understanding your perspective.. It's true that a para summary of it together with a pointer to web or e-mail link would be great. It would save on my local phone bills here in the UK. But having said that, I can - and have - put up with that.

What I do object to is the short para at the beginning of your last series of posts. There is no need to lower the tone. You certainly don't help people like me to read your posts in a positive light when you make personal attacks on individuals who have earned our respect on a range of fronts. That's all I wanted to say. So I'll stop.

Paul.

not not even begin- praps end return:
end, ning of end: of beginning> pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: Antoine [SMTP:acarreATnospamconcentric.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 10:35 AM
To: d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Democracy

I vote for Dieter to be taken off this list.

Please add your name at the end of this post if you think your finger is tired of
deleting is post, even after giving him a chance.

Antoine

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