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kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #103


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 103

Today's Topics:
  Sounds [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
  occidental [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
  Reincarnation in 3 parts - 1 [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
  re: totality [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
  Stone to help with kundalini [ "Ivo Visic" <hydrofairyATnospamhotmail.com ]
  A stone to help with rise of Kundali [ "Ivo Visic" <magehydroATnospamicon.co.za> ]
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:53:48 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Sounds
Message-ID: <01BD329A.32F65A00.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>

For practical guidance.

Everything is vibration. This means that many things, experiences,
inferences can be transmitted by subtle means.

Your description of the experiential transmission is apt. In fact, this is how
meditations (proper meditations re proper use of subtle sound vibrations or
mantras) are employed. In fact these things can't be learnt by plucking a few
things from books. One needs the awakening to occur in the process of being
taught the meditation attuned to one's own psychic vibration. By meditation I
don't mean any relaxation technique or mild dose of comfort (eg TM style) but
full and proper attunement that can awaken the Divinity within.

All these transmissions are possible. But the 1990s being the do-it-yourself
decade people like to pluck from books rather than experiential human
experience from another teacher.

As you may well know the thoughts and actions of mind are contained within e
ctoplasmic structure and the unit existence means it has an endoplasmic coating
so that it is like a ball deformed from actions and which must reap its
reactions. Reaping is there so long as identification with doer or ego exists,
otherwise doership is devoted to Cosmic Will and hence egoless and
reactionless.

In relation to sound it is the most subtle vibration. But this includes not
only sounds we can hear but the vibration of every particle of this universe -
their there are sound heard only internally by the subtlest parts of mind.

Accordingly, mantra means that collection of sounds for meditation because they
are intimately connected to the subtlest vibrations of the universe. All this
is nothing new of course, but does show that transmission of knowledge and
understanding is far beyond books and logic.

In any case through such transmissions and practices one can get the desired
result because of the seed of ideas related to the sound vibrations of mantra
also beingn appropriately employed in the mental realm which touches the soul.
 Accordingly ideation is essential and ideas are transmitted from one mind to
another easily enough through subtle realms.

The mantraic expressions are sonic and are vibrating simultanously in the
cosmological system as well as in the unit body. When a person establishes
parallelism of the unit ectoplasmic vibration with the help of Mantra with the
Cosmic vibration s/he gets what is called "Mantra Siddhi." So a person
establishes parallelism between his external physical vibration and internal
ectoplasmic vibration, and thereafter exalts this to the spiritual level. And
the culmination of this process in the achievement of the final spiritual goal
is called Mantra-Siddhi.

But if this is not made "alive" or awakened through the requisite teaching
media the process is meaningless; but acquires force and meaning when it
becomes "live". The parallelism between internal ectoplasmic vibration and
cosmological vibration can only be established when one has complete control
over one's own ectoplasmic vibration.

In fact a person is vibrated immediately by a particular sound/"Shabda"
according to his/her propensities. On the other hand s/he is immune to the
vibrations of another Shabda.

Anyway, I only mention all this (and it is not in full detail because it gets a
bit complicated) to support your notion of the way you explain transmission of
thought below. You might have been referring to what is said above, but it
seems the process is very similar as is the experiential you discuss.

All in all, thought is powerful, sound is powerful, ideas are powerful
expressions that do not rely on logic alone. It can all be reasoned out of
course, but the subtlely of language necessary may not allow for it in our
present vocabulary and besides one can read but without experience the words
may be meaningless. Sometimes one just has to make a jump and accept that
their present logic is limited because they need more subtle experience to
become logical in another way.

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:40:41 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'Blizzard'" <dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro>
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: occidental
Message-ID: <01BD329A.2B2A8080.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>

On Wednesday, February 04, 1998 10:07 PM, Blizzard
[SMTP:dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro] wrote:
> Hello,
> and a happy new year. I had a very strong meditation on new year's
> night and in the mornig when was 7 planets on line.
> How was yours?

Been a while now - but enjoyed 10 days of spiritual festival and retreat over
the holidays in early jan - had a special vibration at the place we stayed and
very uplifting - childcare all provided as well and the youngest girl (9) got
initiated into tantric meditation at last (other 2 kids started at about age 6)
- so we are one tantric family now.

> >I've never come across this term before. What is its source/origin?
> Tibet. Some about in The tibetan book of death. Are very few info
> about because phowa is a well keeped secret.

That's understandable. Actually for real meditation one always has one's own
personal technique given by an acarya who knows the method of teaching -
getting from books won't do much (that just indicates fear of people contact to
learn).

Here are some brief notes on meditation regarding mantra and sound.

What you say is very sensible, given
that everything is vibration. This means that many things, experiences,
inferences can be transmitted by subtle means.

Your description of the experiential transmission is apt. In fact, this is how
meditations (proper meditations re proper use of subtle sound vibrations or
mantras) are employed. In fact these things can't be learnt by plucking a few
things from books. One needs the awakening to occur in the process of being
taught the meditation attuned to one's own psychic vibration. By meditation I
don't mean any relaxation technique or mild dose of comfort (eg TM style) but
full and proper attunement that can awaken the Divinity within.

All these transmissions are possible. But the 1990s being the do-it-yourself
decade people like to pluck from books rather than experiential human
experience from another teacher.

As you may well know the thoughts and actions of mind are contained within e
ctoplasmic structure and the unit existence means it has an endoplasmic coating
so that it is like a ball deformed from actions and which must reap its
reactions. Reaping is there so long as identification with doer or ego exists,
otherwise doership is devoted to Cosmic Will and hence egoless and
reactionless.

In relation to sound it is the most subtle vibration. But this includes not
only sounds we can hear but the vibration of every particle of this universe -
their there are sound heard only internally by the subtlest parts of mind.

Accordingly, mantra means that collection of sounds for meditation because they
are intimately connected to the subtlest vibrations of the universe. All this
is nothing new of course, but does show that transmission of knowledge and
understanding is far beyond books and logic.

In any case through such transmissions and practices one can get the desired
result because of the seed of ideas related to the sound vibrations of mantra
also beingn appropriately employed in the mental realm which touches the soul.
 Accordingly ideation is essential and ideas are transmitted from one mind to
another easily enough through subtle realms.

The mantraic expressions are sonic and are vibrating simultanously in the
cosmological system as well as in the unit body. When a person establishes
parallelism of the unit ectoplasmic vibration with the help of Mantra with the
Cosmic vibration s/he gets what is called "Mantra Siddhi." So a person
establishes parallelism between his external physical vibration and internal
ectoplasmic vibration, and thereafter exalts this to the spiritual level. And
the culmination of this process in the achievement of the final spiritual goal
is called Mantra-Siddhi.

But if this is not made "alive" or awakened through the requisite teaching
media the process is meaningless; but acquires force and meaning when it
becomes "live". The parallelism between internal ectoplasmic vibration and
cosmological vibration can only be established when one has complete control
over one's own ectoplasmic vibration.

In fact a person is vibrated immediately by a particular sound/"Shabda"
according to his/her propensities. On the other hand s/he is immune to the
vibrations of another Shabda.

Anyway, I only mention all this (and it is not in full detail because it gets a
bit complicated) to support your notion of the way you explain transmission of
thought below. You might have been referring to what is said above, but it
seems the process is very similar as is the experiential you discuss.

All in all, thought is powerful, sound is powerful, ideas are powerful
expressions that do not rely on logic alone. It can all be reasoned out of
course, but the subtlely of language necessary may not allow for it in our
present vocabulary and besides one can read but without experience the words
may be meaningless. Sometimes one just has to make a jump and accept that
their present logic is limited because they need more subtle experience to
become logical in another way.

> I'm sincerily impress that an occidental have your ideea about
> spiritual way, that means you are on a real spiritual way not on a
> sweet new age thing.

thanks.

some think any crazy head pulse is k rising and useful - but really this is
waste of time worrying about these silly symptoms of occultism as if people
haven't got more useful things to do. All occult indulgences are of course
fiddling with forces of Prakrti or qualifying factor over consciousness and so
must as a consequence reap reactions, ie tremendous mental force is used
wastefully and this creates severe reactions mentally and physically. Such
people become weak and lack vital energy due to reactions impounding back on
them.

also the sweet new age thing is just like the vedic ritual of come and have a
good time temporarily and then go home. Of course tantra took the good parts
of the veda's also, but left the dogma behind. Tantra though is willing to
face the struggle and never admit defeat in the spiritual path - obstacles are
friends and lead to greater awakening when overcome or simply unimportant
because devotion is overpowering into Bliss.

all the best in Madhyama'ca'ra (the middle course)

dieter

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:59:49 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Reincarnation in 3 parts - 1
Message-ID: <01BD329A.8C662A20.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>

You say
> > > Accordingly, some people are fortunate enough to be able to reach
> > > enlightenment in one lifetime. These people have good karma - that is,
> > > their 'past lives' have been such that the current flowering of wisdom
> > > inside them is made possible. In simplistic terms, they were fortunate
> > > enough to have a decent set of genes and a lucky upbringing.
> >
> > The law of cause and effect would mean there is no such thing as luck.
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > A long as
> > the feeling of 'I' is a person's identity, s/he is different
> > from his/her Soul and the person with this feeling of
> > 'I' remains only a changed or assumed form of unit
> > consciousness (Soul/Atman).
> >
> > It is a person's feeling of 'I' which keeps them away from the unit
> > consciousness (SOUL).
> >
> > Release from this feeling of 'I', the
> > changed or assumed form of unit consciousness becomes
> > Non-qualified Supreme Consciousness - Universal Soul, as the assumed form
> > comes about
> > only as a result of the qualifying influence of the creative force of God
> > (Supreme Consciousness). The
> > termination of this changed or assumed form of unit
> > consciousness means freedom from the bondage of qualification of
> > consciousness. It
> > is hence the feeling of 'I' in a person which creates the
> > difference between him/her and his/her unit consciousness or witnessing
> > 'entity' - soul. In
> > reality it is this feeling of 'I' which keeps the unit
> > consciousness or Atman back from attaining the Supreme State.
> >
> > It is the projected or
> > changed form 'I' which acts and also experiences the result
> > of all actions. The unit consciousness/Soul neither performs any
> > actions, nor does it experience any result. It only
> > witnesses the action and also the result--thereof.
> >
> > Unit consciousness/Soul always remains a witnessing entity and
> > any action performed by the entity 'I' has no effect on it.
> > A witnessing or knowing entity need not be the performer of
> > any actions and hence the status of unit consciousness
> > remains unchanged as witnessing entity only.
> >
> > S/he alone who
> > sows shall reap, hence the entity termed as the feeling of
> > 'I' alone will experience results of all actions and this
> > feeling is the originator of all actions. It is the 'I feeling' itself
> > expressing itself as the 'doer I' - in contrast to the soul/unit
> > consciousness which is the same as the Supreme Consciousness/Supreme Soul
> > (as
> > the only differentiation is the 'I' multiplicity).
> >
> > The 'witnessing
> > entity' or the 'knowing entity' remains only a spectator
> > without experiencing any results as it does not work. For
> > example, a person who witnesses a football match will never get
> > any credit for winning the match. Only the player will be called the
winner.
> >
> > It is the actual player
> > who will win or lose the game and s/he alone will feel
> > fatigued as a result of this playing. The
> > spectator, will neither win nor lose, nor will s/he feel
> > exhausted and tired. The spectator will witness the
> > player and also the result of the actions.
> >
> > Unit Consciousness
> > or Atman is a spectator witnessing all the action and hence
> > does not experience any result. Unit Consciousness or Atman/Soul
> > is only a witnessing force--the all knowing entity.
> >
> > The 'I' feeling gives
> > the idea of the knowledge of existence. It does not give any
> > idea of performing an action. Mere feeling of existence does
> > not indicate that 'I' performs any action and so it is not the 'I feeling'
> > which acts.
> >
> > It is the 'doer I' which comes into being as a result
> > of the qualifying influence of creation and this qualification on the 'I
> > feeling' is
> > the part of mind that works. That is, ego. It is a
> > cruder manifestation of the 'I feeling'. It is ego
> > which works and it is this only which experiences the result
> > of actions.
> >
> > The 'I feeling' distinctly different from 'doer I' or ego and is merely
> > pure
> > feeling of 'I' and
> > does not perform any action and hence should not experience
> > the result of actions. On serious reflection, however, no
> > action appears possible without the feeling 'I' or the
> > knowledge of existence being there; or who else would
> > make the ego work work. It is the feeling of 'I' and the
> > knowledge of existence which inspires the doer I or ego to work.
> >
> > The feeling of 'I' is therefore
> > related to the performance of action and in this way related
> > to the result of actions also.
> >
> > The 'I feeling' is indirectly related to the result of action performed
> > by the doer I or ego, although the actual performer of actions is
> > the ego which apparently bears the consequences of
> > actions.
> >
> > Now the objective mind also comes into being as a result of the
> > qualifying influence of the static principal of creation on
> > the doer I. It is
> > the ego/doer I which manifests itself into a crude form as
> > the objectivated I or done I. The result of actions performed by the ego
> > is formed in the objectivated mind as are all results of actions.
> >
> > That is the objecivated I or completed I or done I assumes the form of the
> > actions of
> > the ego witnessed by the pure I feeling, with the help of the ten organs
> > For instance, the objectivated I or done I itself has to become like a
> > book in order to enable the ego to see a book. Similarly
> > in order to listen to a sound, the objectivated mind is a crude
> > manifestation of ego which itself is a manifestation
> > of the 'I feeling'.
> >
> > The objectivated mind is not capable of independent
> > action. Any independent action by a conscious entity causes a distortion in
> > the universe.
> > The reflection of
> > consciousness being complete in human beings, the person is able to realize
> > that they have scope for 'free will' and tries to determine their destiny.
> > A person's actions are inspired by
> > his consciousness to break away from the bondage of limitation or
> > qualification to attain true consciousness.
> >
> > Let us now see how an action is executed and why one
> > has to bear the consequences as reactions? Every action
> > originates in and is performed by mind, that is by its three
> > components, I feeling, doer I and done I.
> >
> > The objectivated mind or done I has to take the form or become
> > like the result of and action performed by a person. This would
> > mean that the resultant I or done I leaves its normal form which is
> > changed to take up the form of the result of an action. For
> > instance it has to 'become' a book to be able to see a
> > book. That is a person's mind has to leave its normal form and become
> > deformed in order to complete the execution of an action.
> >
> > Creation and existence of mind is due to the influence of
> > the Qualifying Force of the Supreme Consciousness on Itself.
> > Every action creates a distortion in the universe and where there is ego
> > the
> > doer I does the action witnessed by the I feeling. This distortion must
> > give
> > rise to a reaction in due course.
> >
> > It is a person's man's feeling of 'I' only which on becoming
> > crude is transformed into objectivated mind or done I. A book
> > can only be seen when the objectivated mind becomes like it. The
> > objectivated
> > mind being a
> > transformation of the feeling of 'I' is not a book that one
> > sees. It is one's own transformed self that one sees as a
> > book. It is that transformed feeling of 'I' termed as done I or
> > objectivated
> > mind
> > which on grasping the ideatory vibration of the nerve creating
> > figure which, becomes a book itself. To hear a
> > sound one has to become sound itself.
> >
> > Thus a person becomes the result of his/her actions and whatever s/he sees,
> > feels, hears, touches or smells is his/her own feeling of 'I' or
> > his/her own transformed self.
> >
> > The I feeling inspires to work. The doer I executes the act and the done I
> > has to become the
> > results of that execution. All these 3 constitute the mind and so it is
> > mind
> > that
> > works. It is mind only which will bear the consequences. For
> > s/he who sows shall reap. Unit consciousness (Atman/Soul) is beyond
> > the scope of mind and hence it neither works nor bears the
> > consequences. It only remains a spectator in/of the human body.
> >
> > Likewise, Supreme Consciousness and its qualifying principle
> > are independent of the influence of each other in
> > the Non-qualified Supreme Stance where it holds the Supreme Rank.
> > While in Qualified Supreme Stance
> > the Supreme Consciousness is under the bondage of its own qualifying force
> > which results in the creation of the universe according to
> > the designs of that Qualification and which is from the Supreme
> > Consciousness
> > Itself
> > - Nature being but an expression of that Qualification.
> >
> > Consciousness could be explained as
> > the process by which mind returns to its original status or
> > form.
> >
> > The process or reaction which restores mind to its
> > original form from the deformity due to actions of mind is
> > experienced a result of actions. The intensity,
> > with which an action is performed for deforming mind, will
> > be exhibited to the same extent in the reaction.
> > The pressure employed in causing
> > deformity in mind will be met with an equal amount of
> > opposite pressure to restore mind to its normal
> > form.
> >
> > The ultimate is no form or pure unit consciousness or Soul.
> >
> > For instance a rubber ball pressed with a finger forms
> > a depression,but on being released it returns to its
> > original or normal form. The finger will experience an equal
> > and opposite force at the time of reaction. Here the rubber
> > ball is comparable to mind and the finger to the a person's
> > entity of 'I' that makes the mind work and thereby creates
> > depressions in it (as ego).
> >
> > ence one would feel the reaction
> > of mind returning to its original form with the same amount
> > of opposite intensity as was employed in creating the
> > depression. The law of cause and effect being an intention of creation and
> > the
> > Qualifying Force of Creation restores the
> > original form of mind and also 'punishes' the 'I' that
> > inspires mind to work. All this is achieved by the process of
> > reaction.
> >
> > The nature of mind according is to come back to its normal form by reacting
> > to
> > every
> > action. Hence a person has to bear the consequences as reaction
> > of any type of work.
> >
> > According to the law of cause and effect and thus Creation a person
> > will experience reaction of all his/her deeds,
> > whether good or evil. For instance, if a person steals and
> > causes suffering to the person whose things are stolen, s/he
> > would create distortion in his/her mind by using his/her faculty of
> > inflicting pain (through stealth). Mind would react to remove this
> > distortion
> > and the person inflicting pain should experience an equal
> > amount of pain (in mental measure, ie not the same type of event
> > but nevertheless the same mental implications) as a result of this
> > reaction.
> >
> > Similarly, if one by his/her deeds gives happiness to
> > others, s/he would, as a result of mental reaction, to come
> > back to its normal form, experience an equal amount of
> > happiness - as one would according to laws of creation and cause and effect
> > experience an equal and opposite reaction in the process of
> > mind regaining its normal form.
> >
> > Thus the law of cause and effect makes a person bear
> > the consequences of all their actions with the
> > help of the instrument of mind created by the Supreme Consciousness
> > expressing
> > Itself as multiplicity in Oneness, and whatever
> > a person does, good or evil, s/he has to experience similar
> > reaction (Karmaphala in Sanskrit).
> >
> > No one can ever exist without doing some action or the
> > other. Even when s/he sits quiet, she is performing an
> > action--the physical body may not be exerting itself yet the
> > ever active mind is not still. The mind even without
> > physical action engages itself in actions by thinking or
> > imagining. A person may be thinking evil of someone, may even be
> > mentally planning to kill him or may be thinking of ways and
> > means of helping others in their distress. All this is
> > action and does not need any physical exertion or movement.
> >
> > Even physical action is only a further projection of mental
> > activity. All action is
> > performed by mind and the ten sensory organs are
> > only a further extension of the objectivated mind which translate mental
> > actions into physical activity. All actions can be
> > classified as physical or mental.
> >
> > Actions performed by mind
> > with the help of sensory organs are physical while
> > those performed without their help by mind alone are mental
> > actions. Both these actions will cause distortion in mind
> > and as a result of restoration of mind to its normal state
> > it will set a reaction which will have to be experienced.
> > Hence any action whether mental or physical will make the
> > doer experience the reaction (Karmaphala).
> >
> > Fully reflected consciousness in a person makes him/her realize
> > his/her subjugation under the bondage of the qualifying factor on mind as
> > part
> > of creation. The person does not
> > want to continue in this position of subordination and hence works
> > independently but in doing so employs ego which in turn means reactions
> > being
> > inflicted due to the original action having a reaction on mind due to
> > identification with the workings of ego.
> >
> > On this Earth human beings alone have fully
> > reflected consciousness and so no other living being
> > excepting humans can work independently. All other creatures are working
> > under
> > the instincts without use of ego (although some creatures are more advanced
> > than others and so in future even
> > these creatures may begin to work under intellect as a reflection of ego).
> >
> >
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 06:27:30 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: re: totality
Message-ID: <19980205142731.17211.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dieter writes:

   Some person on this list thinks k has a lot to do with
   dominatrix practices.
    Any fool can indulge in this sort of thing. To understand k one
   needs a
   conception of what is creation and the universe and what is
   consciousness
   because actually everything has kundalinii.

I say:
Honestly Dieter, an intellectual understanding of k, and beating people
over the head with your knowledge of it, shows only that...an
unelightened and intellectual understanding of it.

Intellectualism, by its very nature, seems to me as being judgemental
and exlusive in the extreme. No room for loving, no room for diversity,
no room for compassion. And thats my judgment so i am not so evolved
either :)

I wont be getting into a debate with you over this. I am not a
wordsmith nor am I a scholar. All I have to share is my experience.

There is a verse in the Christian bible that says to the effect, and I
am paraphrasing here, god creates 'the foolish things to confound the
wise'.

I never read your posts Dieter. I feel no love flaming out of them.
Your words automatically get deleted as soon as I see your name. I am
sure you might think this harsh or cruel or you may not care at all
becaue i am so uneducated, thinking i am unfit to hear your words.

Sigh. My blessings to you anyway Dieter.

Love looks exceedingly foolish. I would much rather have my heart full
of the love of god than my educated ego.

What I know is...people who live in their heads, like you...will
pooh-pooh what I just wrote. People like you are the hardest to reach
with the love of god...not even humor helps. Only miracles can open up
the hardest of hearts.

Jesus called the Pharisees of his time, the educated, intellectual
elite, as white washed tombs...beautiful on the outside and full of rot
on the inside. Words without love are dead to those who hear them and a
relection of the inner consciousness of the speaker

Living in your head is a lonely existence...i have been there. Come out
of your head Dieter and live and play in the full expression of god's
joy.

Love,
Susan

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 06:34:01 PST
From: "Ivo Visic" <hydrofairyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stone to help with kundalini
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Hi All
Been a while since I've written to list just been lurking :)
I found a reference to a stone (there are many that help with kundalini
but
this one called out to me).

Serpentine - Useful in rising of kundalini. It stimulates an opening in
the
pathway through which the kundalini may travel, and lessens the
discomfort
which is sometimes associated with this movement.
This was taken from Melodys Love is in the Earth.

I hope this may help some ppl I have not tried using the stone
personally so
cant give my personal opinion

Love and Light unto your path :)
Ivo Visic

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:32:03 +0200
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Hi All
Been a while since I've written to list just been lurking :)
I found a reference to a stone (there are many that help with kundalini but
this one called out to me).

Serpentine - Useful in rising of kundalini. It stimulates an opening in the
pathway through which the kundalini may travel, and lessens the discomfort
which is sometimes associated with this movement.
This was taken from Melodys Love is in the Earth.

I hope this may help some ppl I have not tried using the stone personally so
cant give my personal opinion

Love and Light
Ivo Visic
16/m
South Africa

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