1997/12/27 20:23
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #865
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 865
Today's Topics: Re: Awakening [ Ann Morrison Fisher ]
Re: Your "Light Body" ? [ "Ed Arrons" ] Re: Your "Light Body" ? [ freda ]
re: energy lights [ Solar Lion ] Book of Psalms [ iri ]
Re: Hand postures [ Ann Morrison Fisher ] re:energy lights [ Solar Lion ]
Guys [ Psychologist ] Re: Guys [ Tantrika ]
Re: Guys [ Nancy ] Re: Guys [ Druout ]
Re: Guys [ Tantrika ] Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:15:01 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >I also had vivid dreams of flying, like Peter Pan I would soar through >> > the heavens fighting the bad guy when it was necessary.
>> Ann:
>> Is this unusual and/or significant? I thought all kids flew in their >>dreams.
> >Gloria:
> Actually many do, I just never lost it and always knew I was a >soul/spirit here only to utilize a body for spiritual purposes. That is
>what is unusual most don't know or remember this.
Ann: In my 30s I was practicing getting around the astral plane in my
dreams. I would be plummeting toward the ground and get scared, then I'd remember that it was the astral and the ground couldn't hurt me, so I'd
just go into the ground and come back out. Or, flying by a mountain, I'd just go through the edge of a cliff for practice.
Once in a dream my husband and I were teaching a friend about the astral.
We were in a room and he was standing in front of a table, looking at the food. So as a joke I faced the door, bent from the waist and stuck my head
through the door, and made it appear on a platter on the table. Did he jump!
>> But how would such accidents [to the head] have an effect on the
>>Kundalini process? >GG
> Easy, since in some situations, like mine, I was here to awaken and >work kundalini, in fact my infants blanket was a hot pink silk quilt
>with lime green dragons all over it. But, no doubt my purpose involved >going through the awakening and helping others. My awakening has
>manifest directly from Divine Will without a physical teacher, because >of this my centers were already being cleared through spirit in my youth
>and then in my twenties the major awakening came.
AMF: I've never had a teacher in the body either, except for the two
people this year that I mentioned - but neither of them is functioning as a guru for the kundalini stuff.
GG
>> > I met the man I was to marry when I was eleven, he was an important >> > ingredient in God's plan for me....
AMF
>> I thought I had a marriage like that, but he always had problems. Turned >> out he was gay/bisexual.... He left me for a man, and
>> I don't think I handled it as well as I could have. I think it really >> slowed my progress.
> >GG
> Probably a bit of a shock and maybe even some anger for leading you >on....
AMF
My parents were best friends, and I thought that's what I had. I trusted him completely. And we were good together in psychic/spiritual
things. So it was a really severe wrench in my life.
AMF >> Why do you think injuries and back surgeries would be necessary? ...
>> And what about the long illness I had that's now cured or in remission? >> It's Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS); in Canada and Europe it's called
>> myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME), which means inflammation of the brain and >> spinal cord with muscle pain....
>GG
>People with kundalini often find somekind of challenge in regards to the >spine, there is a trmendous surge of energy moving in the subtle body
>and it certainly effects the physical. But, as time moves on and the >balancing continues it improves....
>> AMF
>> If that happened for a reason re. kundalini, then it's happening to a lot >> of people, because it's a real epidemic. Actually, we once discussed this
>> on a CFS list, and many people said they felt they had developed >> spiritually since being sick.
> >GG
>My daughter has very severe CFS, in fact she is on disability, a lot of >hers is kundalini related but she is not ready to deal with it on that
>level, the time will come when she is.
AMF My son has it, too, and is on disability. He's been told he was high up on
the worst case list. For several years he was flat on his back, and his eyes (part of the brain) were so bad he couldn't read. He began meditating
on the Tarot symbols and came up with a new system for laying out the Tarot, and gained spiritually in the process. ...
AMF
>> Please explain this to me! I've heard "the third eye" used as a term for >> the ajna center in the forehead
> >GG This is correct, there are actually two other higher minor centers
>above this, many don't even know they exist, they really connect up to >the crown chakra more then to the third eye....
>There are various centers, but the three above the head actually are >used to work with cosmic energies, in other words divine will manifests
>through these frequencies.
AMF Can you tell me where to read about this?
AMF
>> Are you familiar with Bentov's work with waves and frequencies in the aorta
>> and the brain? >
>Gg >I just got that book I do believe but haven't got to it yet.
AMF
Is there a book by him? I know his original paper is given as an appendix in Sannella's book.
Love,
Ann Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:00:27 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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David Bozzi wrote:
>The manifestation of clinging, or attachment in holotropic >breathwork sessions
What's a holotropic breathwork session?
>..., (I'd suspect any non-ordinary state of
>consciousness, >perhaps) is clenching of hands or feet. Clenched hands associated with
>specific attachments, clenched feet with more ambiguous attachment. >
>What is the source of attachment? >
>Fear of course.
That's interesting. I have occasionally noticed my feet curled up, and then they relax.
Ann
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 02:21:19 -0500 From: David Bozzi
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Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
> What's a holotropic breathwork session?
In short, rapid paced, deep breathing accompanied by evocative music.
A technique discovered(rediscovered?) by Dr. Stan Groff.
He had done extensive research on hallucinogenic substances with regard to transpersonal experiences/healing. When these substances
were illegalized he discovered this non-drug alternative.
If interested a site with info and links: http://www.breathwork.com/
The beauty of such an approach is the surrendering of what arises
from such states to Spirit/kundalini.
She knows best.
Warmest regards,
David Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:58:48 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" To:
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..freda: I wonder also who we is, I have no interest in ANY of those distractions
mentioned in Ed's post, but I DO lose sight of the "etheric." I get caught up in thoughts and living and playing, I would guess that
there is always something that will distract me. I am after all still "in the game", but thats okay, a little of everything I say!
BTW I have found that, for me, although I sometimes loose sight of things, there is almost always something to be gained from that
separation. These have even proven to be benifical for me. they can be very enlightening in and of themselves, I can guage changes in my
perspectives, note my change in attitude and behavior. I think sometimes it is neccesary for my growth.
Ed:
"We" refers to those who have been conditioned by the culture of materialism. The categories (commercialism, entertainment, sports)
were only meant as examples of material conditioning, but also include public education, most work situations, government on all levels....and much more.
The collective consciousness seems overwhelmingly caught up in the culture of materialism, so it would seem necessary to *struggle*
against the collective mind to 'avoid' it.
So, freda, I'm in accord with your above statement and am also distracted by various things and am learning from such events. That's what lead me
to realize the importance of the etheric level-to be in this world but not of it.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:45:10 -0800 From: freda
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Hello, Ed,
I really did assume you were using "examples" in your post. Drew's response to Your "we" got me to thinking of the things which
cause me to slack from time and that sparked a little "systems check" of how things work for me in this process.
I thank you for giving examples of distractions, although I am not amoung THOSE We's, it did make me ponder which We's I do count myself
amonst. I took a peek at some of the things that I am involved with, and I think
I could do with a little housekeeping.
Thank you for the reminder. ..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again... http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:51:10 -0800 From: Solar Lion
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in response to questions from the origional posting
>Hi Bob, >
>You mentioned: "...energy light which most people on the path seem to see >against the background of the sky -
the background of the sky is where they are first most noticeable, after watching them for awhile - you can see them almost anywhere >were related to us as being energy "leaches"
That is the way it was related to me - leaches are not necessarily a bad thing - just a way of describing what little we understand of their function. we have no idea what they do with the energy that they process.
>that are attracted to high energy areas and help dissipate the same high >"positive" energies - as they are not attracted to negative energies.
>when you send them love as a projective energy they get brighter and much >more visible - which in turn allows you to see auras of hills - trees - etc
>(commented on in the celestine prophecy)." >
>A question from Judy: Are these lights a phenomena of the internal >structure and functioning of the eye/brain
some of the "lights" can be attributed to debris in the eye or effects similar to after images - this is not the effect we are talking about - the difference is quite noticeable. as they change activity and brightness with positive energy conditions. many we know report this after deep meditation and then looking skyward - or in open eye meditation on the sky. >or are they what might be called external...that is, can they be seen by others >standing nearby,
We have experienced whole groups of people after deep meditation independently reporting the same sighting - with similar discription - where the discription was not suggested to them. people with more attunement to nature seem to see them more (those who deeply care for plants and animals). also after a awhile they can be seen with the eyes closed as well. >measured by external devices, etc. Mach did some interesting work with bright >spots seen on white pages but its been years since I read the book (it's hard
>to get). My feeling is that these could not be measured by external devices
>Are there dark spots that are visible to those of negative
>energy..can one make them grow by projecting hatred?
when asked of the guides the answer was no - which seems a strange paradox as the hermetic teaches that everything has it's opposite
>Or are the bright spots acompanied by regions of darkness as well? always seen them and have had it reported as light only
>Are these lights related to the aura of the person and if so, why are they
>termed leeches if bright in nature? They seem to process energy for some reason in nature - most processes in nature are to strive for balance - so it may be that high positive energy needs to be dissipated after achieving what it was meant to achieve - it could be that high positive energy is an imbalance of sorts.
Should one send energy into them? the sending of energy to them leads to seeing of auras - seeing other such things as energy flow in living things - seeing chakras and other energies - the seeing of which could be useful at times. could be just another way of extending the range of light frequencies that we are aware of - doesn't seem to hurt anything.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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-------------------------------------------------Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:40:29 -0800 From: iri
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Book of Psalms
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Psalm 44 seems to describe the horrible condition of the holocaust prisoners
and (in essence) says the world will never forget (world War 2 was 1939 - 1945. Psalm 48 talks about walking around the ramparts of the land and in
1948 Israel came into being. Psalm 91 talks about 10,000 dying and it appears the non-involvement of Israel in a war...1991
was the year of the gulf war against Saddam Hussein....So I ask is Psalm 98 a prediction for Flooding in 1998 the waters rise up and clap their hands
(Tsunamis? Tidal Waves?) and Earthquakes are mentioned in Psalm 99 is that a prediction for 1999?
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:44:16 -0600 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Hand postures
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Ori wrote:
>I'm very interested in the hand postures too.
>I think the mudras of traditional yogic technique >were developed over time through a recognition of
>the energies which were generated through the position. >
These hand positions don't look just like mudras, but you'll see. I'm sending them next.
>I'm especially interested in more info. regarding sacral work.
>I've been intuitively finding ways to work and shift the >holding in my sacrum-- partly through yoga.
What exactly do you mean by "the holding in my sacrum"? Are we talking
about kundalini that won't rise? Or something else?
Maybe you're not sure. If you have a way to get answers from your body/subconscious, you could ask 1) Is it a Violet Light Issue? 2) Is it a
vibrational body/ intuitive body misalignment? 3) Is it the emotional body? If it's a Violet Light Issue, you'll need more help with that. If it's the
second, you ask which geometric figure(s) will help? And how long should I look at it? Or just look at each one for maybe a minute or two each. If
it's the third, ask which emotions are troubling the body? And how long do I need the position? Or you could just do all the hand positions.
> >Are you aware of the book called:
>Ecstatic body postures? an alternate reality workbook >by Belinda Gore.
> >Fits right into this discussion.
No, but I'll look for it.
> >You referred to Geometric figures to clear misalignments.
>I've seen these sorts of geometric figures suggested for >use in breaking addictions. A different figure for each addiction.
That's interesting - if you run across such a list, Lynea would probably be
interested in having it. >
>I'm interested in seeing these too. You mentioned you have a MAC. >Can you save images in jpg or gif format? Then they could be attached
>to an email?
Just about any format you want - sending them in GIF. >
Love, Ann
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:30:38 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
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Tantrika wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a website that shows picture of the hand mudras of tantra?
> > thanks!
Try putting Mudra in a search engine, should come up. Gloria
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:59:01 -0800 From: Tantrika
To: Ann Morrison Fisher , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Hand postures
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Ann please send them to me in gif format as well. Thanks and blessings....
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:36:41 -0800 From: Solar Lion
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(cross posted from another list)
Ran across an interesting book on this topic:
Title: The Cosmic Pulse of Life: The Revolutionary Biological Power Behind UFOs
Author: Constable, Trevor J. Pub. date: 06/1990 ISBN: 0-945685-07-6 Binding: Trade Paper
Pub: Borderland Sciences Research Foundation, Incorporated Price: US$ 24.95
Trevor Constable has studied Reich's "Orgone" energy theories for a long
time, and has built a number of weather modification devices with Reich's technology. His descriptions in this book of the biological
systems in the etheric realms has been the most extensive and original I have seen to date, but there are probably other books out there on this
topic as well.
In this book "Cosmic Pulse of Life" he expounds his insights into a the biology and ecosystems of non-material planes (etheric and others). On
occasion, the organisms of these planes can interact with our physical plane and allow us indications of other worlds normally not seen. These
interactions produce the "Energy Lights", an indirect method of viewing some of the inhabitants of other planes.
This interaction of planes is not all that different in concept from the
Aura experiments where adjusting the lighting and focus allow us to view auras around living beings with various degrees of efficiency. The
"Phantom Leaf" and other artifacts of Kirlean photography are similar techniques for viewing or instrumenting the unseen worlds.
My sense is that the evidence for the existence of other non-physical
planes or realms is indisputable. But what is needed is a simple, reliably reproducible experiment, that will demonstrate the existence of
the other realms on demand. More study and experimentation is obviously required before we can achieve this.
Charles
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:07:25 -0200 From: Psychologist
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Homosexuality is curable!
"Being a homosexual does not mean getting pleasure out of life, but,
quite to the contrary, profound displeasure," according to Vladimír Cermák.
The subjects indeed enthralling one. The world is now passing thorough
an era of total sexual permissiveness, of freedom to do whatever one likes.
Actually, however, it is extreme serious problem. Are the homosexuals
really happy people?
According the psychologist Vladimír Cermák they are definitely not. "They are "he says, afflicted and suffering, in a state of sickness, and
needing assistance and treatment."
Cermák explained to us how, after years of study, he finally discovered the cause of homosexuality.
The psychologist ascribes homosexuality to a state of dual, or multiple
personality of opposite sex. However he reserves the second part of the discovery only for the knowledge of professionals of the mental health.
He says "it is too disenchanting for the mind of layman.
And once the cause has been discovered, it is possible to achieve a cure and to return a state of normal sexuality.
"When an individual possessed by personality of opposite sex, he
derives pleasure from being a homosexual. But on returning to his primary personality, he feels revulsion and loathing for himself and his
partner in such relation. Hence the homosexual person is indeed in a state of suffering and needs assistance.
It is fascinating subject, particularly because the very goal of
psychotherapy is, to bring the individual back to a state of mental normality, so that the person can pursue normal and happy life.
"I have achieved a number of cures in such cases. " Cermak declares "I
am deeply satisfied to have been able to reintegrate into their families and into society many, patients - both men and women - that had been in
a state of abnormality, with anomalous patterns of sexual behavior, but are today happily married and with offspring."
Cases of dual or multiple personality are more frequent than is commonly
supposed.
It so happens that these are not readily recognized for what they are by either the families
or the psychotherapists themselves. People may say. "So - and - so is a bit strange in the way he acts" and as far as they are concerned that is
the end of the matter. But the fact is that the individual in question has dual or multiple personality. The
primary, or basic personality is unaware of its "alter ego." One entity´s activities are unknown to the other one. Hypnosis and ideomotor
tests help detect such cases.
Cermák points out the following: "Such patients may became homosexuals after undergoing violent emotion. Under these conditions
"transplantation" of another personality into the being may take place. And proceeds an entirely different life situation.
The homosexual person can be brought back to a state of normality, it is
true happiness for all, himself and society at large.
Translation Vladimír Cermák
Original language: Portuguese from
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Should the homosexual person verify the paternity of the younger sibling?
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 11:31:23 +1030 From: Susanne Macrae
To: iri CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hi iri,
Further to your comments on the Book of Psalms, I'd like to mention a
few myself:
97 "A fire goeth before him and burned up his enemies around him. His lightenings enlightened the world: the earth saw and trembled"
1997 was classified as the Year of the Fires. More fires raged out of
control this year and caused more damage than at any other time in recorded history. It was also the hottest year on record with
temperatures around the world averaging higher than ever before. A great number of the serious fires out of control were caused by lightening
strikes.
100 "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands"
There are huge parties being organised for around the world in the year 2000. There is a mass exodus planned to the parts of the world that
will see dawn on January 1,2000. The Olympic Games will be held in this year and I see it as a year of celebration and coming together.
So we have fire, flood, earthquake showing in succession.
The year that follows this is of course 2001 and so I went to Psalm 1
1 "like the chaff which the wind driveth away"
Great storms?
2 "Kiss the Son (Sun?) lest he be angry and ye perish from the way"
and "They shalt break them with a rod of iron (magnet)"
May talk about solar activity that has the potential to cause
communications and other disruptions on earth.
Maybe!
With love, sue
iri wrote: >
> Psalm 44 seems to describe the horrible condition of the holocaust prisoners > and (in essence) says the world will never forget (world War 2 was 1939 -
> 1945. Psalm 48 talks about walking around the ramparts of the land and in > 1948 Israel came into being. Psalm 91 talks about 10,000 dying and it
> appears the non-involvement of Israel in a war...1991 > was the year of the gulf war against Saddam Hussein....So I ask is Psalm 98
> a prediction for Flooding in 1998 the waters rise up and clap their hands > (Tsunamis? Tidal Waves?) and Earthquakes are mentioned in Psalm 99 is that a
> prediction for 1999? Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:24:49 -0500
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Psychologist wrote:
> The psychologist ascribes homosexuality to a state of dual, or multiple
> personality of opposite sex.
What if I'm possessed by a woman but I don't know 'cause she's a lesbian?
> However he reserves the second part of the
> discovery only for the knowledge of professionals of the mental health. > He says "it is too disenchanting for the mind of layman.
That's funny.
> "When an individual possessed by personality of opposite sex, he
> derives pleasure from being a homosexual. But on returning to his > primary personality, he feels revulsion and loathing for himself and his
> partner
Don't fundamentalists have this problem too?
> It is fascinating subject, particularly because the very goal of > psychotherapy is, to bring the individual back to a state of mental
> normality, so that the person can pursue normal and happy life.
We only pursue what we believe we lack.
> The homosexual person can be brought back to a state of normality, it is > true happiness for all, himself and society at large.
The key to true happiness.
Be heterosexual. It's so easy.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:26:32 -0800 From: Tantrika
To: Kundalini Subject: Re: Guys
Message-Id:
I'm thinking deeply about my response as a bisexual woman, which I will
post later, but suffice it to say that I'm perplexed as to how someone on this list could have such a bigotted and biased attitude about a natural
tendency that all living creatures have. Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:50:02 +0000
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Psychologist wrote:
> Homosexuality is curable!
Dear "psychologist,"
It always baffles me why anyone cares what someone else chooses for his
or her own life. Why can't we accept each other and rejoice in our differences. That which we don't understand can be so meaningful in our
own lives if we'd just open ourselves.
Nancy Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:43:23 EST
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I guess my happy gay friends really aren't gay???
Hillary
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:54:34 -0800 From: Tantrika
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net, vlacerATnospamrocketmail.com, kundalini-1 Subject: Re: Guys
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At 06:50 PM 12/27/97 +0000, Nancy wrote:
>Psychologist wrote: >
>> Homosexuality is curable! >
>Dear "psychologist," >
>It always baffles me why anyone cares what someone else chooses for his >or her own life. Why can't we accept each other and rejoice in our
>differences. That which we don't understand can be so meaningful in our >own lives if we'd just open ourselves.
Well said Nancy, thou art Goddess. Why on earth should anyone want to
reform anyone's sexual tendencies? I'm wondering if this post wasn't just flamebait....
(Psychologist's that is)
> >Nancy
> >
>
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