1997/12/11 22:14
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #818
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 818
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: Expectations [ DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Enlightenment & Pier [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Unconditional Love [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Expectations/and Sarah's intro [ Sarah Cartes <svcATnospaminfonet.com.py> ]
Re: Twin Souls and attachement [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
K Resource List [ ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
RE: A query [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Re: Thirty Three [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Indigo Children (fwd) [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Expectations & Unconditional Lov [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: Earth Resonance - A question [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:13:33 -0500 (EST)
From: DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com
To: starwindATnospamgte.net, hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com
cc: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Expectations
Message-ID: <971211211333_79941087ATnospammrin53.mx>
I agree about aiming for what we are at the moment calling "unconditional"
love. However, I wonder what "unconditional" means. My understanding of the
universe is that it is a conditional universe ; it consists of conditions.
How can I abstract things from conditions? Maybe there's another word that
more accurately portrays what we're trying to get at? To argue from extremes,
would I love the person "unconditionally" even if they committed genocide? If
they tried to murder me? Etc.? I think it's a lofty goal, but how realistic
is it for us humans? Can we reach a goal that is more in the human range?
(un)leash
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:40:18 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>,
Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>,
Gloria Joy Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>,
"'Harsh K. Luthar'" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Enlightenment & Piercing Knots.Long
Message-ID: <3490A3FE.13DCAC55ATnospamgeocities.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
> >
> > Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> > >
> > > There are those who feel that enlightenment occurs precisely from
> > the penetration of the three knots (or granthas) .........
> > that kundalini plays a role in enlightenment but not an ultimate role.
Anandajyoti>
Enlightenment is an inner process, whether one believes in Kundalini or granthis
or not.
It is also true that when enlightenment descends from the Universe through the
grace. the physical aspects of Kundalini and the piercing of the Granthis etc.,
happens automatically. From an Eastern Perspective, such souls while embodied are
called Nitya Siddhas. Like Babaji , who is mentioned by Yogananda, Trailanga
Swami, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, and Kabir, the sufi mystic in India. All others
had to go through the process, by virtue of their own determination and working
through inner guidance. In the Western perspective, I can only assign, through my
understanding, that Jesus was a Nitya Siddha too.
> >
> > It is my understanding and experience that enlightenment does not occur
> > merely from the penetration of the 3 granthis. My belief is that
> > Kundalini has the potential to complete a purification process of the
> > physical and subtle bodies, of which the piercing of the knots is part.
> > When the purification is complete, the energy which is known as the Holy
> > Spirit can enter in totality and remain in its full manifestation and
> > enlightenment ensues.
>
> Gloria adds to the conversation>
> It is also my experience that enlightenment happens in the brain, in
> truth the brain is alive, moving and creating directly from the will and
> purpose of that ongoing movment.
Anandajyoti> The state of enlightenment is perceived through physical brain, no
doubt,but I would consider it to be state of consciousness, of knowing.
> Gloria>
> The word enlightenment and God Realization to me go hand in hand. How
> does one become enlightened without knowing himself?
Anandajyoti>Knowing oneself, is the result of enlightenment or God realization,
and vice versa.
It is remembrance of our essence, and knowing, feeling of it as such.
> Gloria>
> That inner knowing and absolute commitment has to be brought
> into the soul/spirit awareness in such a way that there is literally
> nothing else before it. Duality or the feeling of being two different parts
> doesn't leave until that moment to moment experience of being manifests.
Anandajyoti>Very True, Gloria. Commitment has a vital role , even in our daily
lives.
>
> Gloria>
> > Some people experience the downward movement of the Holy Spirit without
> > the prior purification of Kundalini. It is my experience that when this
> > occurs it doesn't usually lead to a permanent residence of the energy,
> > merely fleeting visitations.
Anandajyoti> Gloria, this is also my understanding. More on this is found in the
Integral Yoga process of Sri Aurobindo. He called it the descent of the Divine.
But when the body and mind are made capable to hold it in, that energy does
reside in the body and mind, although, not in its full measure. Otherwise, the
person would not be able to function in the relative world. But the knowing and
the remembrance of that experience remains for the life time of the person.
>
>
> > Kurt said:
> > My viewpoint, which is not really worth a great deal,
> >
> > Your viewpoint Kurt has equal validity with every other viewpoint on
> > this list (and elsewhere for that matter). ...... It is the sum of
> > your current thinking, searching and realising. Don't invalidate it.
> >
> > Love, sue
Anandajyoti>
Infinite are the ways the Divine manifest in different persons, for its own
reasons.
Sue is right , that Kurt's view is not to be invalidated.
>
>
>
> Gloria notes; this is a long discussion and quite detailed, if you
> aren't interested just clip out.
>
> Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> >
> > Susan Macrae responds:
> > >It is my understanding and experience that enlightenment does not occur
> > >merely from the penetration of the 3 granthis.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Harsh writes:
> > ''When the Kundalini has broken all three granthis and one enters
> > different Samadhis through the Sahashara, the central practice needed is
> > that of cultivating an attitude of indifference towards psychic
> > abilities and various states of consciousness and remaining aware.
Anandajyoti>Those that are so inclined may choose the route which Harsh detailed
here.
> Gloria enters the conversation:
>
> First there is a huge difference between the nice elating pranic or
> kundalini movement that flows up the spine to just kiss the chakra's...
> and what I call a full out eruption.
> I consider normal kundalini movement pretty much preparation work
> for what must actually manifest in its due course.
Anandajyoti> Right, The movements of the Kundalini, only give us an inkling, it
is not the end. In reality, the mind, the attitudes, the responses, the physical
actions, perspectives, all need to be looked at inwardly, for the experience to
be fully beneficial, and its application in our lives, also go a long way for
the benefits to work their way thorough.
> Gloria> I've never heard of the distinction between prana and kundalini,
> Anandajyoti>
Kundalini is also the prana but at a much higher frequency.
> >
> > Kurt responds:
> >
> > ..... what is implied by kundalini piercing a cakra.
Anandajyoti>The force of Prana, (awakens the Kundalini), so the prana is
transformed, into higher frequency. When prana is at the higher frequency , it is
called the Kundalini. The transformation of the prana at the point of
transformation of its frequency is called the awakening of the Kundalini.
The three and half coils is symbolic of the of the energy being able to express
in three ways, i.e.. Tamas or the inertia or darkness, Rajas or the Creative
activity or Passion, and Sattva , the refinement of all senses, perspectives,
knowledge, etc.
so at each chakra the opposites play a role, but when the Kundalini rises to the
crown, all duality is gone, the opposites are gone too. When the Kundalini ,
pierces the Granthis at the Base, the heart and the center of Christ
consciousness or the third eye, both aspects of the positive and negatives, in
our subconscious, surface to our conscious mind. Then through understanding, and
knowledge of it, a person is able to make the choices, and move onward.
> Kurt:
> Tibetan yogins that I have encountered
> > consider the activation of prana (Tibetan: rlung) as merely a
> > prerequisite for the activation of kundalini (Tibetan: gTummo).
> If the consciousness that experiences > the pranic activity is seated
> within the spine (or more correctly, the> central channel, known as the
> sushumna), then the experience is felt > much more powerfully.
Ananadajyoti>
I find Kurt's understanding is very correctly put.
>
>
> Gloria:
> I do agree that kundalini or prana is not what is important in this
> activity, it is what it does to consciousness or the brain that is
> important. ...... This is all about connecting, balancing, activiating on
> so many different levels, this then must be brought into working capacity both
> in and out of the body.
> The brain is the instrument of power here, but remember you are
> building a light body on several levels for true cosmic work. ...
> With the brain in transformation, each individual chakra becomes an
> aspect of awareness which helps to bring the soul/spirit into direct
> awareness of itself......
> There comes a time when there
> is no longer two things happening inside of ones consciousness, (
> duality.) It is essential that full union manifests, which means there
> is only one thing left and no thought manifests from this.
> Anandajyoti> Very true , Gloria.
> > <br>Kurt:
> > The third opinion, espoused by the modern hatha yogin, Desikacar, is
> > that pranic awakening is the true experience to be aimed for and
> > kundalini is actually an obstruction. Desikacar sees the kundalini as a
> > block in the central channel and thus the kundalini must be ``killed''
> > to make way for the prana. This is the most unusual view of the three. ''
Anandajyoti>The whole purpose of the Kundalini, is to make us aware of what we
are, why are we here, what is our purpose on this earth plane, and by Divine
Guidance then come what work we are sent to fulfill, in this life. Desikcar's
view , I find it difficult to accept.
> Gloria:
> Take it a step further, it is not just the piercing but the total
> balancing and tuning of the chakra to the higher frequency in the brain,
> and then to the overall picture as purpose through Divine Will.
Anandajyoti> Beautifully put , Gloria.
> Kurt:
> I think most..... So what is a piercing? I believe a piercing is when
> > there is a permanent elimination of the knot at a cakra.
Anandajyoti> The piercing though literally spoken of as a physical thing for
matters of comprehension, is in fact the psychological transformations one has to
go through, when the subconscious surfaces on the conscious plane. Our responses
and reactions to the resultant transformation, and further, how we use it in our
daily lives. I think, is the real aspect to consider for each of us.
>
>
>
> > Kurt:
> > What is to be done after that? Quoting Harsh again
> > ``the central practice needed is
> > that of cultivating an attitude of indifference towards psychic
> > abilities and various states of consciousness and remaining aware. At
> > this stage celibacy is very helpful.
Gloria:
The individual must know the difference between psychic energy and that
of spiritual power. .... And the other is total union withDivine Will. And in
this the duality dissolves.Anandajyoti>Harsh and Gloria are right for many, but
there are also many who take on the psychic scenic route, and choose to stay
there, for whatever their reasons may be. It all depends, how one chooses, to
live the balance of their life in the body.As Jesus said: As you sow , so shall
you reap. So Karma comes in again.
>
>
>
> Gloria:>
> Divine Will is that manifest reality that transcends space and time.
> So, in order to live in Samadhi one must live in Divine Will.
Anandajyoti>This perspective in Eastern Mysticism is known as "Saranagati" total
Self Abnegation.
This is when "THY WILL BE DONE" truly becomes a way of life. Many I have seen
take it as being a Martyr.
> Kurt>
> ........so if someone can tell me what I am missing I am very willing
> > to listen, but what I hear people describing sounds to me like the various
> > movements of prana.
Anandajyoti>
Each of us is unique, for a definite purpose have taken this earthly sojourn.
There is no high or low here. Sounds do emanate when prana moves, but not all of
us audio sensitive, some are sight sensitive, and others yet have other senses,
to be predominant.
So, in your own way, of mental understanding, I feel your mind is more sensitive
than your body. That is also right. There is nothing wrong with that. In India
such people who operate more on mental levels, take the path of Jnana Yoga, for
Feelers, there is Bhakti Yoga. For those who are able to combine all , for them ,
Karma, Jnana, Bhakti, Raja, yoga, are the ways, and Kriya Yoga is also the same.
One can achieve the same state through either one of these or through a
combination of all. But when achieves that state, by whatever means or path, then
one intuitively knows the components of all paths.
>
>
> > Harsh says:
> > ``The debates and explanations are endless. There are countless Samadhis
> > and Superconscious states but only a few reveal the nature of the Self.''
Aanandajyoti>
All debates and arguments cease with the knowledge, feeling and living through
the consciousness of all.
Thanks to Kurt, Harsh, Gloria and Sue in your wonderful sharing. On the piercing
experiences and the enlightenment post.
My bows to you all.
All the best of the Christmas Spirit and the good wishes for the New Year.
Ananadajyoti
http://www.geocities.com./Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:43:34, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unconditional Love
Message-Id: <199712120243.VAA12974ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
Namaste.........DRMARCIAL
What is it?
Unconditional Love = non-judgmental
We live either in "fear" or "Love" those are the only two choices.
God.....or however you refer to the Absolute....does not judge us.
We, humans, were given the greatest gift of any creature... the
gift of Free Will.
So, if God gave us "free will" how could any one truly feel that
we will be judged by anything other then ourselves? <s>
God created us with Unconditional Love....and whatever we do
he/she will not judge us...
A Course In Miracles is a beautiful book concerning God's
Unconditional Love...Conversation with God is also! <s>
Namaste'
____
God Loves You Forever
Tom
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:57:36 -0500 (EST)
From: DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
Message-ID: <971211215736_1174108508ATnospammrin54.mx>
I'd like to engage a shamanism of the reptile. Reptiles are fascinating
creatures. The soul of their movement, their reactions, is fascinating. They
dominated the planet for many eons. Perhaps we ought to suspend our mammalian
prejudices and really see these creatures for the amazing animals they are.
There may be something very positive in these "reptilian" parts of ourselves.
Maybe warmbloodedness is not everything. Maybe there is something in the
cool, scaly skin, the quick reactivity, the sensitivity to light, the
equanimity and Vulcan nature of the coldblooded ones....
I'm for valueing the "lower", for moving into the depths, for enlightened
atavism...
(un)leash
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:56:16 -0300
From: Sarah Cartes <svcATnospaminfonet.com.py>
To: DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com
CC: starwindATnospamgte.net, hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com, veroungerATnospamearthlink.net,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Expectations/and Sarah's intro
Message-ID: <3490A7CE.A7256D4CATnospaminfonet.com.py>
Hello all, I am Sarah. I have joined the list on Monday and my first
attempt
to write to list, landed elsewhere......hit the return to sender instead
of to the
whole group...Oh well, so this is my official intro to the list. A dear
friend
has mentioned this list and before he finished telling me about it, I
was
subscribing.........thanks Ivo!!!
I am in South America after living for so many years in the States. I
came here
with a professional offer I could not refuse......but it goes without
saying that
I went through a very hard time adjusting to this culture. I am 36
years,
business grad, divorced with two beautiful children ages 11 and 5.
Now moving on, to the topic du jour that DrMarcial brough up....
I do not believe in two powers, of good and evil. I think there is ONE
Infinite
Spirit and there are human beings who have the opportunity to use the
intelligence
and wisdom and tools they have been given in every way. When you talk
about
them, you are always talking about us, because we are the people, we are
the
government, we are the churches, and we are the planet. The place to
begin
making the changes is right where we are. I think it is all too easy to
say: "Its
is the devil." "Its's them." It really is always us. We are the
cutting edge of a
new consciousness awakening for the whole planet. How far are you
willing
to expand the horizons of your thinking?
So, now to your post Dr. Marcial.....I believe that the universe is
conditional
as those or most of those who inhabit it are conditioning. Unconditional
love
does not mean you condone genocide or murder or any extreme examples
you mention. Unconditional love is to love with no expectations, it is
accepting
what is. And to give you an example of that, let me just bring one
example of that.
As a parent I can tell you there is no better example of unconditional
love.
Say your child is a born a murderer.....you will still love him
regardless of
this condition. You will not approve of it, but the love is there no
matter what.
That is what inconditional love is all about.
love*light*laughter
Sarah
DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com wrote:
> I agree about aiming for what we are at the moment calling
> "unconditional"
> love. However, I wonder what "unconditional" means. My understanding
> of the
> universe is that it is a conditional universe ; it consists of
> conditions.
> How can I abstract things from conditions? Maybe there's another word
> that
> more accurately portrays what we're trying to get at? To argue from
> extremes,
> would I love the person "unconditionally" even if they committed
> genocide? If
> they tried to murder me? Etc.? I think it's a lofty goal, but how
> realistic
> is it for us humans? Can we reach a goal that is more in the human
> range?
>
> (un)leash
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:05:14 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Twin Souls and attachement
Message-ID: <3495a9de.121798642ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
On Fri, 12 Dec 97 00:01:50 +0000, you wrote:
and I just cannot find another man that could take his place.
I hope this doesn't sound flippant but why would you want to find
another man to take his place ? Why not a woman ? For that matter why
anybody at all ?
Jack
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:11:24 -0800
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: K Resource List
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971211201124.007dfb50ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello all,
I am updating the K Resource List and working with the List Mystress
about the best way to make it available. This list is a compilation
of resources suggested by Kundalini-l subscribers.
If you would like your web page to be added to the section of web sites of
Kundalini-l subscribers, please send the URL to me at <mailto:oriATnospameskimo.com>
Thanks,
ori^
ori^ oriATnospameskimo.com ICQ: 2918880
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:25:38 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: A query
Message-ID: <349abaff.126184129ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Any members of this list acquainted with a totally blind from birth
awakened person ? I have a question about external and internal
consciousness and how sight may have an effect.
And also, does anyone have a suggestion or could they point me to
information on K-awakening and any relation to the teachings and
practices of Carlos Casteneda ?
Again, thanks in advance. I know I'm full of questions right now and
I'm feeling a little guilty by not contributing to the list more. But
I'm new at all this and my experiences have come upon me hard and
fast.
It is what it is.
Jack
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:40:02 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Thirty Three
Message-ID: <3490C021.8CC01AE9ATnospamconcentric.net>
Athena wrote:
> " DO NOT FEAR... text on a screen CANNOT hurt
> you
To this i must say FALSE.
Text on the screen can hurt you as much as you let
them hurt you. In the same way, they can help you
as much as you let them help you.
An emotion can hurt the heart way much more than a
real knife that someone put in it.
> ...share your stories...your experiences are
> valid for *you* ...... it may help ALL,
> especially yourself ! "
So true, if you want to help yourself. Learning
from pain and from joy.
> Susan dearest, feeling *protective* of someone
> and wanting to fight
> their battles, means you think they have no
> personal Power... its ok to
> feel that way to our young children, but you are
> enabling Victimhood
> when you carry it into the adult stages...
A mother would not need to "protect" her children
if there where no enemies to their growth in
nature and in society. For what i know society is
not perfect yet...
A dream of the day when we will only need to feed
ourselves of love, children and "adults".
> Sweetie.. we can only come from our subjective
> opinions... remember
> thats all there is... OUR PERCEPTIONS
Yes and perception change. Move the sun and i will
listen to you more.
Meanwhile, I prefer listening to the reality, i
will always seek. For i don't understand all of
the divine plan yet, and i don't say i do either.
> I am NOT saying God is fallible... I *am*
> saying... Man is...
Yes so true. And letting ourselves be vulnerable
is a gift i cherish more and more.
> > except those who are already in hell...an
> impotent God. That God
> > is way too small and limited for the God i
> have an everyday moment by
> > moment experience with.
>
> Right ON sister !
Finally we converge :-)
> IMHO
Nice letters...
> In *my* opinion, however humble < NOT > ... Don
> is the modern Socrates <
> re-incarnated maybe > *giggle*... to keep us on
> our toes and keep
> re-examining our values.... its a tough Job...
> but *somebody* has got to
> do it... Thanks Don !
For what i know of my philosophy studies, Socrates
was killed for deconstructing existent structure
of thought. This thought reflected in him saying:
"I know that i know nothing". I don't recall
reading him being killed because he wanted to
impose and existing structure over others. So i
don't see the analogy between Don and Socrates, in
this situation. Would love to have some light on
that.
Love
Antoine
--
"Bless all of your learning experiences. Your
lessons teach you to choose and behave even more
wisely next time."
>From "The Enchantment of Opposites" by Patricia
Huntington Taylor
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:50:23 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Indigo Children (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971211184849.2831A-100000ATnospamuhunix4>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On my web site I have an article from Kryon (channeled) about the children
being born now... called Indigo Children...
<<http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4106/Indigo.html>>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:57:48 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Expectations & Unconditional Love
Message-ID: <19971211.235749.-32546.4.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:13:33 -0500 (EST) DRMARCIALATnospamaol.com writes:
>I agree about aiming for what we are at the moment calling
>"unconditional">love. However, I wonder what "unconditional" means. My
understanding >of the>universe is that it is a conditional universe ; it
consists of >conditions.
On one hand, yes this is a conditional universe. But we are seeking to
become unconditional in our love as you said. Unconditional love to me
is allowing another to grow at their own pace, to make their own
decisions, to learn whatever it is they are to learn (even if we think we
know what is better for them). When Capt. Kirk and the Enterprise would
go to another planet that was not as evolved as they were, they would not
interfere with their evolution, even if they could have shown them things
that would make life easier.
I see unconditional love as 'I love you for who you are.' And if that
person doesn't act the way I think they should, then so be it. Who am I
to tell them they are wrong? Would I accuse myself of that? Now this
doesn't mean I cannot give my opinions. I can do that and respect their
opinion too (no matter how stuuuupid it is! *grin*). But to try to win
them to my way of thinking?? no.... that is not unconditional love in my
eyes - that is telling them they are wrong. If giving someone an opinion
makes me the slightest bit irritated when they don't agree with me, this
is a red flag that I am on the threshold of being co-dependent. That is
a red flag for me to back off. (or sometimes JUST for the fun of it, I'll
get in a heated debate...)
Unconditional love to me is also having faith and trust in another's
decisions -- that somewhere inside that mind of their's, they know
exactly what they are doing for what they are needing for their own
growth.
Prior to my K, my daughter Penny (22 at the time) was involved with an
abusive man. I interfered and talked her into leaving this man.
(luckily she listened to me). Seems smart, right? Well guess what? Her
next relationship was with one who was worse. By then (thanks to my
K.A.), I knew enough not to interfere, but to trust and have faith that
she would learn whatever it is she was to learn. She *almost* got it -
finally broke up with that jerk. But, she must have REALLY wanted to
learn it completely, and allowed but another abusive man - the worst of
the bunch - into her life. I stayed in faith and trust that she would
finally *get* it so as not to ever have to go thru this again. Everytime
she would leave him or have him arrested and then go back with him, I
would give her love and trust, telling her that I trusted her decisions
to do what was right for her. I would let her know I was here if she
needed me, and that I wanted her to learn whatever it was she was
supposed to learn so she could finally be truly happy. After two years
of being with this bum, she kicked him out one last time, her final
straw. (this was 2 years ago). I began noticing she was finally
attracting gentle souls into her life. Now she is engaged to THE most
beautiful, loving, kind and gentle man I have EVER met. I have never
seen her happier. (go see their pix via my website by going to
'Penny'!). It is as if they were made for each other - true twin souls.
(didn't mean to go on and on, but that helped me truly learn how
unconditional love in that case really worked) .... I do have to admit,
it is a wee bit tougher with my 13 year old. I think with children, we
do have to have *rules* and make decisions for them until they are old
enough to make their own decisions. I could be wrong on this, but that's
how I see it for the youngins.
I think giving unconditional love through trust and faith that they are
evolving and learning at their own pace is a most beautiful gift to give.
I would hope to receive that myself from others.
JAO (just another opinion),
xxxtg
*She who laughs, lasts*
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:57:23 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Earth Resonance - A question
Message-ID: <349cc41e.128519325ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
On Fri, 12 Dec 97 04:51:10 +0000, you wrote:
>I have not heard of Earth Resonance till now. Seems it would be
>interesting. I am practising Pranic Healing. Let me try this too..
>
>Can you direct me to some URLs where I could get some information on
>this.. or if you have some, can you please email me as attachments..
>
>Thanx in advance.
>
>bye.
>
>
>With Regards,
>
>B.Radhakrishnan
>CRI India [P] Ltd.,
>2nd Flr, Temple Towers,
>Nandanam, Madras 600 035. India.
>Ph. : +91 44 434 0520/4163/4538
>mail : brkATnospamcri.co.in
>
>"One should try to see One Self with One's own Self"
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net [SMTP:sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net]
>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 4:34 AM
>> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>> Subject: RE: Earth Resonance - A question
>>
>> For those of you that make use of the Earth's resonance for
healing,
>> etc. Has anyone noticed a change in the resonance since December
8th ?
>>
>> This change seems to have shifted my resonance and when I went back
>> into cycle again there seemed to be a stronger energy flow. Knocked
me
>> for a loop 4x in one day. The headaches and draining have subsided
but
>> now I'm a bit apprehensive about going back into the groove.
>>
>> Also since the eight I've had a lot of trouble with electromagnetic
>> fields. My PC will reboot for no apparent reason and if I put my
>> finger to the CRT screen the desktop pattern will craze along the
path
>> of my finger.
>>
>> All of this seems to come and go with no particular pattern. Anyone
>> else having problems ? TIA
>>
>> Jack
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