1997/12/05 09:19
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #794
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 794
Today's Topics:
Some stupid questions about terminol [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: bodily fluids - changed to Krsna [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
sharedkundalini [ "Richard J.P.Cavosora" <richiecATnospampac ]
Re: Depression Month [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: Realization [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Spiritual chanting [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Has the listserv been down, or did I [ John Halonen <jh2owbmATnospammoa.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ mike walton <mushmushATnospamwebtv.net> ]
Re-examining the Doctrine of Reincar [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Unidentified subject! [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
snip enlightenment [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: What is going on? [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ Jesa Macbeth <jesamacATnospampobox.com> ]
totally off topic [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
losing your "soulmate" [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 01:23:52
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, ks-listATnospamnbn.com
Subject: Some stupid questions about terminology and progress.
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Hiya:
I see lotsa terms used in diferent places by different people in
different ways, and it occurs to to me to query for clearer definitions...
see if we are realy all speaking the same language.. I know some of them,
but some others I am a little fuzzy on.. can anybody help?
Mostly, I see all of these "stages of enlightenment" spoken of, and as I
have not ever seriously tried to measure my "progress", against these
mysterious guidelines, so they make me curious. Where am I at?
I have another motive: I am redoing the K-list website, and it would be a
fine thing to have a good K. dictionary, to explain what the heck Kurt and
Harsh, et all, are talking about.. and so newbies have something to refer to.
Full enlightenment, for instance.. is that the whole deal where you walk
on water and stuff, or do some folks attain full enlightement without
miracles? What does it feel like? How do you know when you get there?
Heck, I might be fully enlightened, and not even know! LOL! Just kidding..
Opening of enlightenment I know about.. the whole deal with the
vibro-body, trip to the heavens with multitudes of Angels and limitless
light and Love Love Love.. been there, remember it well,.. messed me up for
quite a while, in it's own way.. I just wanted to go back there.. like
trying to crawl back into the womb... and it was years before I happened to
find out what it was! Boy was I surprised.. Enlightenment?? Me???
That was pretty much the same response as when I was studying metaphysics
in High School, and realizing I had experienced some of the signs of
enlightement, as they described them.. I didn't believe it. Like, I was
gonna be telling my punk rocker friends that I was going to be the next
Buddah or Christ? Yeah, Riiighht.. I'd already made the mistake about being
open about my psi abilites. Lotsa sarcasm sent my way for that one.
So opening of enlightment must come sometime after the serpents are
awakened, but but is fully awakened come before or after that? I know I am
fully awakened:My serpents go all the way up to the penthouse, and the
lights are on.. the third eye pattern spins counterclockwise behind my
eyelids.. and I remember watching it's flickering glow to fall asleep in my
crib .. but how does that fit with the realization thing? Realized, fully
realized, partly realized.. realized I forgot my keys.. where does the
realization fit in with the awakening and enlightening process?
And how do you know when you get there?
Sounds kinda silly, but hey, it's easy not to know.. lotsa folks join the
list asking if they are awakened or not, and I didn't know I was a
shaktipat Mystress, till last year, but I had been having a wierd catalyst
effect on folks for years before that.. didn't understand it, didn't know
why, except for past life memories that told me I had been a powerful
witch, in many times. Patted myself on the back and didn't think too much
more about it, back then.
So where does that ability fit in? Is it a realization level thingy, or
something that happens when you get enlightened 56.934% or what?
opinions?
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:40:07 +1100 (EDT)
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: bodily fluids - changed to Krsna story
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> So very true. About the story, the one which you have stated, is
> the literal, meaning of it, and for many of us even this useful.
> On the other hand the kauravas or pandavas are our own negatives and
> positives within us.Gandhari is symbolic of our conscience, the silent
> voice within, but sometimes it becomes manifest very strongly, and
> Krishna, the Soul within, a part of the whole.
>
> Anandajyoti
Well put - indeed the Mahabhrata is truly fascinating piece of work. One
can see many inspiring moments and answers there. And magical in how it
fits in with the whole psychic structure of the human mind and
condition, eg propensities (50), chakras and then the 1000 petals lotus -
all
these concepts are actually found in the many characters of that classic
work. Well worth a read. Not only a classic work but once a living
historical reality :)
And so it continues today.
dieter
Krsna was a tantric
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:48:08 -0800
From: "Richard J.P.Cavosora" <richiecATnospampacific.net.ph>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: sharedkundalini
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Hello from Manila
My kundalini awakening appears to have been shared by at least two friends
and I strongly suspect mine was activated by somebody else.
What does this mean? As a Catholic Christian, I'm also inclined to believe
the Holy Spirit has a role to play in my awakening. What does this also
mean? I'd hate to call myself a mystic but my research so far plus even the
evaluation of a Jesuit priest Fr. Thomas Green called my experience, as
shared with two other females, as mystical (at that time we had not heard of
the term kundalini). This was last year and I still have my heat
manifestations.
Thank God for your existence!
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:09:22 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "List Posts Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Depression Month
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Hey. all!
I seem to get the really hard ones around this time every year. But for
some reason, this year has been much more mild than any I can remember
previously. Also, the cycle for OK to depression/anger/judgement is a lot
more compressed this time around--accomplishing in weeks or days what
normally takes months to resolve!
242
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:19:10 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Realization
Message-ID: <34880D5D.524BATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Yes. Very well put by Anandajyoti, who I must say also has a beautiful
name which has a beautiful meaning. Indeed the Gita contains many subtle
truths and is the basis for many Spiritual paths including Bhakti Yoga,
Raja Yoga, and Jnana yoga.
Harsh
anandajyoti wrote:
>
> Ruth Trimble wrote:
> > ......... What I figure happens is that the
> > individual soul is awakened to K. by initiation in past lives, and merely
> > finishes up in the lifetime where enlightenment seems to happen without K.
> > Awakening.. what do you think?
> > Ruth
> > *****
> Hello Ruth and Harsh!
>
> Even in the Bhagavad Gita it has been mentioned, each of the souls are
> on the path of soul evolution (meaning realizing it , withinand
> expanding). Each of us have gone through many such expanding cycles, due
> to our own volition in those lives and even in this one. According to
> the Bhagavad Gita, nothing is ever lost in the continuum. Each birth,
> brings in the spiritual achievement one has already gone through in
> previous ones, and carries it forward,towards full enlightenment.
> It also mentions by virtue of one's will power and natural inclination,
> one can have the full realization even in one life time, if one chooses,
> and the level of expansion or realization the particular person has gone
> through in previous life times, are all remembered, and takes it
> forward.
> So, Ruth , you are right in your perspective of this aspect, and I find
> your understanding very clear.
>
> Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:35:03 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Spiritual chanting
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I think someone wanted something on chanting. Picked this up on the way.
Kiirtan in the Light of Modern Physics
By Acarya Cidananda Avadhuta
According to physics, the world around us is made of vibrating molecules, atoms
and sub-atomic particles. These consist of
particles that interact with one another by creating and destroying other
particles . This cosmic dance of rhythmic energy, of
birth, life and death, is' the fundamental stuff of the universe.
This concept is the science of quantum physics. It was developed by Albert
Einstein, Neils Bohr and Werner Heisenberg in the
first half of the twentieth century. It recognizes that the world is not a
collection of separate objects but is a web of relations
between the various parts of a unified whole. This reality is now called the
theory of wave mechanics.
According to this theory, the whole universe is an ocean of waves and every
physical being is but a ripple of waves or a bundle
of waves. Though modern physics only accepted this recently, the ancient
tantric yogis of India discovered this truth thousands
of years ago and understood it in more detail.
It is not well known that quantum physics owes some debt to Tantric
spirituality. In 1929, Heisenberg spent some time in India
as the guest of the famous poet, Rabindranath Tagore. Together they had long
conversations about science and Indian
philosophy. Heisenberg later told Fritjof Capra, "This introduction to Indian
spirituality brought me great comfort. It had
previously been so difficult for me and my fellow physicists to accept that
relativity, interconnectedness, and impermanence
could be fundamental aspects of physical reality. There I learned that these
were the very basis of the Indian spiritual traditions.
After these conversations with Tagore, some of the ideas that had seemed so
crazy suddenly made much more sense. That
was a great help for me."
Science and spirituality are not contradictory, rather they enhance each other.
As physics develops, it will discover that the
theories of tantra yoga are in harmony with science and eventually they can be
verified by laboratory tests.
There are 64 ancient texts of India called the Tantra Shastra. In those
scriptures is a clear explanation of six dimensional
sadhana (spiritual practice). It includes instructions how a spiritual aspirant
who is adept in this six-dimensional sadhana can
disintegrate his body at will and reintegrate-his body at another place. This
extraordinary phenomenon has a logical basis in the
wave mechanics of quantum physics.
Everything is composed of waves, and every object also emanates waves. Your
hand, your face and every part of your body
emanate both physical and psychic waves. Every being is a bundle of vibrations
with greater or lesser intensity and density. The
subtle momenta or motive force behind all these waves is being acquired and
stored in your mind.
Everything in this universe is in motion. Every subatomic particle is consta
ntly moving. In a similar way, an ant moves on the
back of an elephant, which also moves. The elephant is on the earth that moves
in the solar system, and our solar system
moves in our galaxy which is moving through the universe.
Every wave is in motion. Every wave acts and reacts with other waves, with
subatomic particles constantly being destroyed
and created as a result. So the resultant overall vibration of a person depends
on the extroversial or introversial flow of his or
her individual waves. In the unit mind there are three forces at work: the
sentient, the mutative and the static. The extroversial
or introversial flow of the waves of a person imbibes him or her with a
predominance of one of these three qualitative forces.
>From this one can recognize a person as noble or selfish.
In a more lucid way, both the smell of delicious food and the sight of an
elephant will affect you. Their effects will vary
according to their vibration and according to the state of your mind . But
whether you like them or not, the waves will affect
you. Today's world is full of a multitude of vibrations coming from
multifarious momenta. The action and reaction of these
waves on you make your mind restless. These waves make it difficult to think
properly or to concentrate.
Every human being has a physical body, a mind and spiritual potential. Singing
and dancing kiirtan with the universal mantra,
Baba Nam Kevalam is a physico-psycho-spiritual practice, because it benefits
all three of these aspects within you.
Kiirtan (chanting mantras) transmutes mental flow to spiritual flow. It
supercharges the environment around you, entering all the
poles of your body. When one sings kiirtan, a divine vibration is produced that
prepares the mind and the body for meditation.
Different impressions of the mind are gradually transmuted towards Supreme
Subtlety.
Kiirtan also transforms. It changes the shape, size, mass and the properties of
the objects that it encounters. Kiirtan creates an
electromagnetic field. Like a powerful magnet, it changes the property of the
brain cells, so crude energy is transformed into
subtle energy. Wherever the eyes look during kiirtan, one sees only God. The
Baba Nam Kevalam mantra supercharges the
air that we smell and the earth that our toes touch. The rhythm of kiirtan is
the divine rhythm of the universe. Those who
practice kiirtan internalize this universal rhythm through all their sense
organs. This universal rhythm does not erase crude ideas,
but it diverts their flow. If done sincerely, kiirtan is a strong diversion of
crude thoughts. It purifies the mind and aids meditation.
Do not suppress negative thoughts that come in the mind. Instead, try to
channelize them towards God by singing kiirtan. If you
find that your mind is fighting these negative thoughts and your meditation is
not to your satisfaction, think: "Everything happens
for the best. Whatever good or bad is in me, it is Yours."
There is an incident that took place in Bengal a few hundred years ago that
shows the power of devotional kiirtan to transmute
crude mental waves into subtle, sentient waves. Caetanya Mahaprabhu introduced
kiirtan as a popular spiritual movement to
overcome religious dogmas. He encountered jealous opposition from both fanatic
Muslim leaders and fanatic Hindus. Haridas
was a devoted follower of this movement. Then he was living alone in a small
ashram in Nadia district. To discredit him, some
religious leaders plotted to destroy his character and reputation. They paid a
prostitute to go to his ashram every day and try to
seduce him.
As Haridas was a devotee, he received divine intuition of some approaching
danger, so he decided to sing kiirtan continuously
(Akhanda Kiirtan) from when he awoke until he slept for 21 days.
Most yogis have a weakness for food, so each morning the prostitute prepared
very delicious food and left it for him at the
entrance of his ashram. Then she waited patiently for him to eat it and speak
to her. But for three weeks he never touched any
of the food she brought and he never spoke. He only sang kiirtan.
Finally after the 21 days were over, Haridas greeted the woman with Namaskar
and asked if be could do anything for her.
Then she confessed everything that she had done and planned. But she said that
while she waited each day with her evil
purpose, the sound of the kiirtan totally changed her mind. Now she only wanted
to repent and to become a devotee of God.
So Haridas encouraged her to reform her life and invited her to take charge of
that ashram and sing kiirtan everyday. Then he
left that place to continue his work inspiring the masses to sing kiirtan. She
became a saint and became well-known for her
devotion and humility.
. For all the scientific reasons mentioned above, kiirtan is a panacea for all
kinds of physical and mental diseases. One
additional reason that it acts as a universal remedy is that it attracts the
grace of the Supreme Consciousness because it is an
expression of devotional love. Divine grace can accomplish miracles and
overcome every obstacle.
Acarya Cidananda Avadhuta.
The quotation of Werner Heisenberg is taken from
the book: Capra, Fritjof. Uncommon Wisdom: Conversations with Remarkable
People. Simon and Schuster: New York,
1988, p. 43.
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 07:48:33 -0800
From: John Halonen <jh2owbmATnospammoa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Has the listserv been down, or did I get unsubbed?
Message-ID: <34882250.2073F089ATnospammoa.net>
Last few days no mail has come through.
Maybe it was just the universe recognizing my need for a break. :-)
Blessings to all.
John Halonen.
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 04:40:22 -1000 (HST)
From: mike walton <mushmushATnospamwebtv.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Hello, I just found this page and it is wonderful. I started meditating 12 years ago. Most of my kundalini experiences have been fairly tame. I practice a martial art that opens the bottom chakras and "increases one's capacity' to handle the energy when it goes into the head
My first meeting with this energy came when I was meditating one night. I had this rush of heat go up my spine. When it entered my head, all of this light just swirled around for a moment then blew out the top of my head. At first, i thought it was the bean burritos I had for supper. I stopped telling people about it when I noticed no one wanted to hang out with me anymore.The path is sometimes lonely. Glad I found your page mushmushATnospamwebtv.net
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:57:28 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: msticklesATnospamantalys.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re-examining the Doctrine of Reincarnation
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Dear Mike,
I too have noticed that most members of the K-list seem to have imbibed the
doctrine of reincarnation with their mother goddess milk, and they carry on
this teaching unconsciously in post after post as though it were some absolute
underlying truth not subject to question or debate.
To her credit, Dr. Yvonne Kason in her book The Farther Shore at least
questions the notion that our experience of "past lives" in connection with K
A is proof of reincarnation. But she is buffeted back and forth on this issue
from one chapter to the next as so many people (even with good scientific
training and a nominal Christian background) are nowadays.
The discussion has been so confused that I suspected we needed help from a
Spirit-filled person with a sharp programmer's mind: And now you have given
us very good help indeed! Thank you.
Don
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:08:40 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-ID: <19971205.100843.4422.1.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
Thomas Smith wrote:
<<"The soul speaks to you in feelings. Listen to your feelings.
Follow your feelings. Honor your feelings.">>
This was my thoughts exactly, but I have come to discover that what Sue
wrote below is so much more true for me now.
Sue wrote:
<<Feelings are the main avenue of expression for the ego. "Don't trust
your feelings" is often more appropriate. If I have a feeling that is
anything but the expression of pure and absolute love, then I know it
comes from the ego.
The expression of feelings by the ego is to find gratification not to
find love.>>
I used to look at feelings, thinking that by not denying and suppressing
them, I was allowing spirit to be released. Personally, I think this is
one of the first steps toward releasing our own martyrism. But there was
still something about releasing all these feelings and emotions that
still didn't seem to fit *right* with me.
The step that I am at now is that spirit *knows* and ego *feels*.
Whether this is right or wrong, I don't know and will remain open-minded
for further knowing to come in. I may feel like tearing you apart with
my anger, but I know that isn't the right way to handle the situation. I
may feel like having that big piece of chocolate cake, but I know what I
really want is to lose weight. I may feel that I am more
important/wiser/interesting/loveable/etc. than you, but I know in my
heart that we are all equal. The list of feelings and knowing goes on
and on.
Feelings now to me are a red flag to look at and question, ''what is it I
know is true for where I am right now?'' By going along with my
feelings, I may find myself crossing boundaries of my moral or ethical
values and later regretting them.
On another close subject, there seems to be a fine line between intuition
and feelings. Intuition seems to me to be more of a knowing in your gut.
I would welcome any opinions on this as it really hasn't been clarified
for me -- Can intuitions sometimes be a play of the ego?? And if so,
what are the clues to distinquishing between the ego and spirit
intuitions? I know sometimes I will have a thought ''I know I should do
this'', and later I end up saying, ''Damn! I knew I should have done
that!". It could be that these thoughts have been brought up and have
to go somewhere to be realized (ie. thoughts are things). I could just
as easily *defend* my thoughts with a counter thought, ie., when I catch
myself thinking ''I know I should do this'', and I add the thought ''well
if I do, fine, and if I don't, fine - it doesn't really matter'', then
that seems to nullify the thought where it isn't regretted later. I
have a problem with this though, to have to watch my thoughts that
closely and having to defend or counter-attack them. So, in the
meantime, I will just observe them.
Thinking out loud once again.....
xxxtg
" Lead me not into temptation (I can find the way myself) "
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 07:37:08 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Dearest Angelique,
Full enlightenment comes when people have the
awareness to SNIP their posts to the klist.
But seriously folks...you ask a good
question...i must ponder it for awhile.
I might suggest though...you might make some
categories...Eastern teaching....Western(white
people stuff) teaching (maybe a visitation by
John Wayne)..... Goddessbased...
African...Morgana based:"enlightenment is a
cultural myth" school of thought.
Your question would be a great post to alot of
lists...and make a cool little book.
A caveat to the reader is (IMHO) if they have to
ask...they arent.
Blessings,
Susan
===
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the world"...Mahatma Gandi
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:40:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: snip enlightenment
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On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Susan Carlson wrote:
> Dearest Angelique,
>
> Full enlightenment comes when people have the
> awareness to SNIP their posts to the klist.
hehehehehehehehehehe
<snip>
--dao
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:56:40 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "List Posts Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: What is going on?
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LibraKat:
The length of time for each phase seems to be somewhat personalized for each
individual, but for the spiritual phase, I received a date -- 12-15-1997.
This appears to be a date that we're now building up (as well as tearing
down)
for. The whole process involves building our *structure*, our inner core
and
tearing down the parts we no longer need. Many people I know (including
me!!!) have had lots of issues come up (including some with past life
origins)
that relate to the different phases.
If anyone's interested, I can let you know when I get new info.
Me:
I'm very interested in this process.
I recently (and rather impulsively!) started on a regimen of auto-urine
therapy. It was revolting to me the first couple of times, but I could
immediately feel the influx of new energy. The new level quickly became so
overwhelming that it left me disaoriented and very easily angered. I
stopped for a while, and the energy seemed to integrate on its own, leaving
me in a much better state thatn I was in before. This cycle has happened a
few times since then, with results unprecedented in my experience of working
on myself.
My point is this. I wonder why in the world I decided to try just this
methed, and why just then? (No such thing had ever occurred to me before.
But all I had to do was read a little about it, one time, and I wanted to
try it.) Also, why should such great gains be comming now, when I seem to
have been so blocked (constipated?) psychically for so long? Your post
really got me thinking about the fact that this transition might have bben
occaisioned by the demands of a larger cycle...
Thanks very much for your post!
242
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:13:02 -0800
From: Jesa Macbeth <jesamacATnospampobox.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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It seems almost easier to define enlightenment by what it is *not* than by
what it is. Shall we all have a go and make a How To Tell When You Are Not
Enlightened List?
At 07:37 AM 12/5/97 PST, Susan Carlson wrote:
>Full enlightenment comes when people have the
>awareness to SNIP their posts to the klist.
>
><um, I hardly dare say it, snip (in unenlightened non-caps)>
>
>A caveat to the reader is (IMHO) if they have to
>ask...they arent.
My contribution:
Like the elderly waiter in the nowhere roadside cafe told Frank Sinatra,
"Sonny, if you has to tell me who you is, then you ain't."
Best!
Jesa
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:54:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: cledaATnospamdnc.net
Subject: totally off topic
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A couple of days ago when I was mending fence, one of the barn cats started
across the barn pasture toward me. Our steer calf, Sayonara, snorted, bucked
and crow-hopped in such a way that he got between the cat and me. He was
staring intently at the cat the whole time. The cat turned around and ran
toward the barn. Immediately, our little heifer calf galloped, snorting and
tossing her head, until she was between the cat and the barn. The cat
pivotted and ran toward me again. Sayonara, with a look of calfly glee, did
his crow-hopping bucking routine again. The cat ran the other way...and
there was Tanpopo dancing around. Eventually the two calves got the cat
herded into the oak trees midway between the barn and the fence. he sat
there looking puzzled and wary until they got bored.
Whether it was coincidence or cooperation, it was delightful to watch. The
cat was in no danger. The calves were having a great time.
Blythe
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:17:18 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: losing your "soulmate"
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You wrote:
>
>depressed indeed I have lost my soulmate... However, I have to live
with it, and try to
>find peace and answers to why, I had to finally found him to loose him
>almost a year later.
>God is Good and I have turned myself entire to "him", to find peace
within me.
Something in your post pushes me to write that I've known many people,
especially women (including myself), who somewhere in adolescence take
an inherent god-longing and transfer it onto people. Women look for
"soulmates" and princes charming to fulfill them in a way only god can.
I speak from experience when I tell you that sometimes it can take this
catastrophic loss before we can properly redirect the desire where it
was meant to go. THEN the human love we find can really become holy
because we are not expecting our partners or ourselves to be god. Don't
be so hard on yourself. Holly
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