1997/10/17 11:45
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #522
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 522
Today's Topics:
games: finite and infinite:)
Re: Swami Sri Yukteswarji Giri
Re: Swami Sri Yukteswarji Giri
RE: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
Mindfulness
tantra sex
[Fwd: Re: Kundalini and Neurophysiology]
Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini and Neurophysiology]
Re: tantra sex
Re: games: finite and infinite:)
Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
joke (not funny)
Compassion
Orchids...
Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:01:04
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: games: finite and infinite:)
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This is beautiful. I play my life, I don't work at it.
Blessings, Serpent.
At 12:38 03/09/97 +1000, you wrote:
>Finite and Infinite Games
>
>There are at least two kinds of games: finite and infinite.
>
>A finite game is a game that has fixed rules and boundaries, that is
>played for the purpose of winning and thereby ending the
>game.
>
>An infinite game has no fixed rules or boundaries. In an infinite game
>you play with the boundaries and the purpose is to
>continue the game.
>
>Finite players are serious; infinite games are playful.
>
>Finite players try to control the game, predict everything that will
>happen, and set the outcome in advance. They are serious and
>determined about getting that outcome. They try to fix the future based
>on the past.
>
>Infinite players enjoy being surprised. Continuously running into
>something one didn't know will ensure that the game will go on.
>The meaning of the past changes depending on what happens in the future.
>
>All games are inherently voluntary. There might be consequences of not
>playing, but there is always a choice required. Driving
>in the right side of the road, shaking people's hands, and paying taxes
>are games one has a choice about playing. There are
>certain rules and boundaries that appear to be externally defined, and
>you choose to follow them or not. If you stop following
>them you aren't playing the game any longer.
>
>There is no rule that says you have to follow the rules.
>
>All finite games have rules. If you follow the rules you are playing the
>game. If you don't follow the rules you aren't playing. If
>you move the pieces in different ways in chess, you are no longer
>playing chess.
>
>Infinite players play with rules and boundaries. They include them as
>part of their playing. They aren't taking them serious, and
>they can never be trapped by them, because they use rules and boundaries
>to play with.
>
>In a theatrical play the actor knows that she really isn't Ophelia. The
>audience knows that she really isn't Ophelia. But if she
>does a good job, Ophelia can express herself through the actor. The
>playing is most enjoyable when it is both clear that it is
>chosen play, that it is the actor doing it voluntarily, and at the same
>time it is so convincing, following the rules well enough that it
>seems real.
>
>You can play finite games within an infinite game. You can not play
>infinite games within a finite game.
>
>You can do what you do seriously, because you must do it, because you
>must survive to the end, and you are afraid of dying
>and other consequences. Or, you can do everything you do playfully,
>always knowing you have a choice, having no need to
>survive the way you are, allowing every element of the play to transform
>you, taking pleasure in every surprise you meet. Those
>are the differences between finite and infinite players.
>
>These ideas are paraphrased from the delightful book:
>
>"Finite and Infinite Games - A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility"
>by James P. Carse
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:04:23 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: FIuteATnospamprodigy.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Swami Sri Yukteswarji Giri
Message-ID: <34473826.6B9BATnospamsmartt.com>
MrNamaste wrote:
>
> Dear Flute and Indra,
>
> I have not had time to get back to you Flute, .... I shared the salient details of your experience and my friend confirmed that this happens
> "all the time" --- whenever sitting in meditation in front of a picture
> of the guru. My friend is quite impressed by the very high calibre Soul
> you have attracted by the goodness & purity of your life & service, and
> advises that you during meditation remember your experience very vividly
> and once you feel Him very near, to then concentrate on His Essence in
> the very depths of your heart chakra. Sri Yukteswar may not actually be your Satguru nor your own ishtadeva ---- but Swami Sri Yukteswarji Giri is simply so Utterly Divine that He can quicken your Path, dissolve your karma and actually introduce you to your Satguru.
Now I warn you that we live in modernday america where all the above is
> considered by the very finest medical authorities to be what is called a "religious psychosis." Do, p-l-e-a-s-e, check out Ken McFarland's very fine posting on this matter,.......I have not read and studied enough about Guru Yoga, but I want to make sure that you know that this has a VERY long tradition in the East. So, although you and I may discuss what you experienced and call it a " very
> strange tactile hallucination", I urge you to learn all you can about
> persons EVEN HERE IN THE WEST who have had actual TRUE physical Plane
> Manifestations of Celestial Divine Personages. (i.e., "Flesh and
> Blood.") Somebody named B.E. Gold has a wonderful experience which he
> describes in one of his books about his own guru, LONG dead, but who
> visited him HERE in a fully materialized physical body.
>
> In closing I'd like to mention that I have met many people who really
> enjoyed Yogananda's autobiography ----- it is not a "scholarly tome" ---
> .......
> Congratulations, (as they say,) and good luck on the rest of your
> Journey.
Hello List:Specially Flute & Mr namaste,
It is very true that we attract what we most fear and is equally true
that we attract what we need for our growth equally, strongly.
That is why in the East, physical, emotional and mental balance, has
always been a training for people with spiritual aspirations. We were
always asked to search our minds and clean the closet once in a while to
keep it in order, and take out the superfluous, so that we are able
appreciate the richness bestowed on us by our Creator.
I do not have any details as to what was experienced by Flute vis-s vis
Sri Yukteshwars, so I am unable to comment on it.
But I think if I place a fact in regard to a lady disciple and Lahiri
Mahasaya, and the even the photo of a Guru.
This was in late 1800's . This lady was a devotee of Lahiri Mahasaya(
Sri Yukteshwar's Guru). When Lahiri Mahasaya visited her place, she had
asked him about the significance of a photo or a picture of the guru.
Lahiri Mahasaya had replied, that if you in earnest have the faith and
belief, that I also exist in my photo which you have kept in your
bedroom, then I will definitely be there for you, even though its just a
paper photo of myself.
After a few months, there was a terrible storm and lightning, and
thunderous outpour of the fierceness of Nature. In those days, there
were lanterns to serve as source of light. During this raging storm,
this lady gave birth to a new babe, Upstairs in the two storey building
, every one present saw the lightning striking in many places.Then it so
happened that a bolt of lighting struck the very room in which the
mother and the baby were. It came through the window, but it touched the
corner of the wall , where Lahiri Mahasaya's picture was hanging.
It immediately burned the picture of Lahiri Mahasaya and ripped off a
part of the wall (brick wall), with no major damage, and no loss or
injury to anything living.
The mother said later, that when she saw the lightning strikes, she
prayed and meditated on Lahiri Mahasaya's protection. and she saw Lahiri
Mahasaya, calmly smiling at the door, and waiting for her to see him.
The lightning had struck, no one was hurt, and Lahiri Mahasaya silently
departed as he had silently been present to protect the devotee.
Now the fact is Lahiri Mahasaya at the time was in Benares, physically,
and this lady devotee was around four hundred miles away in a
neighboring state, in a village.
So, yes the guru's do take care of us , if we are able to build a loving
relationship with them. I have seen myself protected many a time due to
the Divine Mother.
I do not about the Guru Yoga as is mentioned but I do know of Sanskrit
Text called the "Guru Gita". Sri Yukteshwar wrote one famous book,
called "THE HOLY SCIENCE" as instructed by BABAJI (Sri Yukteshwar's
Param Guru). This book , I have read, it indicates the astrological
connections which we all have in our lifes, due to the interplanetary
magnetism, and how they are related to the Western ideas of astrology.
It also explained the number of earth days and god-days, and how they
are measured and how to interpret them. He speaks of the Yugas and from
astrological calculations, he showed the different cycles of the rise
and fall of civilizations. It is definitely a remarkable perspective and
indicates his depths of wisdom.
I have found, the writings on the Master's of Perfection by themselves,
as in autobigraphies and journals of their conversations, give me lot me
insight and understanding of phenomena, which may laughed at in
Society and termed as spirtual or religious psychosis a or some other
with similar connotations.
I have also found, reading and learning is one thing and living it is
another. It depends what individuals wish to do, either read and not
live it or just conceptualize and regurgitate intellectual gynastics.
It is the individuals choice.
In Love Life and Light,
Indra
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:29:46 -0500
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Swami Sri Yukteswarji Giri
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(as they say,) and good luck on the rest of your
> Journey.
I did feel I HAD to buy a copy of the book "Autobiography of a Yoga" and
I Loved it.. and as you say The wisdom is incredible and makes so much
common sense. I am still wondering why me..and where this journey is
leading. I have been on a heavy duty spiritual path for about 30
years, but nothing so much as in the past three years.
Thank YOU.. anymore info you can give me I would be very appreciative..
Love, Flute
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:40:41 -0400
From: "Duncan, Mark" <duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria Greco [SMTP:lodpressATnospamintercomm.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:39 AM
> To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
> Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
>
> amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
[duncanm] <snip> We may all be facets of
> > the same diamond, but I enjoy experiencing each facet by itself,
> too.
[duncanm] <snip>
Please bear with me (I think a brain cell is spasming).
This diamond has an infinite number of facets (try to imagine that).
Each one of us
is a facet on this flawless diamond. The perfect diamond is the
Oneness. Hence,
we are all a vital part of this Oneness. The flaws are perfections
observed in another light.
The facets face the center of the diamond (not the exact center, but in
the general
direction). This observation is made from within the Oneness. From
outside the
Oneness, the facets face away from the center. Light enters the diamond
and reflects
off of every facet inside. Light entering the Oneness may be from
another dimension,
centering in the Oneness and radiating outward. The reflected light
carries the aspects
of each facet that it is reflected from. The light continues to
illuminate the diamond
with the light reflected from all of the aspects of all of the facets.
We are truly all one. The light from each of us reflects in all of us.
The love in me is the love in you. Where there appears no love, there
is love
observed only in a different form.
I think the brain cell just burnt out...
... or did it just supernova.
Love & Light
Mark C. Duncan
Network Engineer
Information Technology Solutions, Inc.
Building 2787, Ft. Eustis, VA
757.878.0071 ext. 297
duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:32:13 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Mindfulness
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Hi Jeanne,
I tried your tip and definitely felt heat in the hara region. I was looking through my books and found this laya yoga exercise in the book Psychosomatic Yoga by Jonn Mumford (Swami Anandakapila Saraswati). It's aimed at developing psychic heat, and is the first of six kriyas. He didn't detail the other five because he didn't reckon readers would have the intensity of concentration to succeed in them. I take it people know what the posture sukhasana is (sitting crossed legs). Here it is:
1. Lie supine, head north, feet south in a semi-dark room, with the legs folded in sukhasana ( as if you had fallen backwards in sukhasana) and the hands clasped over the solar plexus.
2. On a slow, even inhalation, visualize warm golden, pranic energy being drawn in through the head and down the body into the thighs and lower abdominal region, where it is prevented from escaping by your crossed feet and is thereby stored.
3. On a slow, even exhalation, bring the accumulated prana up and around the solar plexus in a series of clockwise circles (as if you had a clock dial, the size of a dinner plate, centred over the navel with twelve o'clock at the chest and six o'clock at the groin).
4. Making as many circles as possible, while exhaling, concentrate upon feeling an internal heat develop with each visualization of an energy sweep around the solar plexus.
The exercise should be carried out for not less than 15 minutes. Developing this psychic heat is supposed to cause the manipura chakra to overflow with prana, which is automatically redistributed where needed.
If you try this exercise, let me know what you think. Do readers know of other similar kriyas? And is laya yoga another name for kundalini yoga or not?
Tom
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:45:46 +0300 (EET DST)
From: AVRAM Sergiu <avrams6ATnospamvega.unitbv.ro>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: tantra sex
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I heard about tantra a few months ago and I am very interested.
If someone can help me with technics,breath,...,please write
to me becose I can't find nothing about tantra sex in Romania.
BYE!!
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:43:56 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini and Neurophysiology]
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:33:25 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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To: Nancy Eckert <watrfallATnospamniagara.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Neurophysiology
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Nancy Eckert wrote:
> > Mr. Namaste writes:
> > >page 115-116: Michael Persinger, a professor at Laurentian
> > >University in Ontario, Canada, has researched the neurophysiology of
> > >religious feelings and proposed that spiritual experiences come from
> > >altered electrical activity in the brain....According to Persinger,
> > >religious and mystical experiences are "the NORMAL consequences of
> > >spontaneous ... stimulation of temporal lobe structures," which causes
> > >brain structures that are ordinarily unrelated to fire in tandem.....In
> > >Persinger's view, religious experiences are are our explanation for
> > >'microseizures', or: temporal lobe transients.
> > >
>
> Would this also be the man who is studying the near death experience here
> in Canada?
Knowledge is a dangerous thing
Ignorance more so
A story:
Two twins have an identical NDE where they go to 'Paradise' and have various
very 'profound' experiences and encounters. One goes to see a scientist the other a holy
person. The scientist explains the illusionary nature of the experience in terms of
'altered electrical activity'. The first twin is satisfied and puts the experience
behind herself and carries on living much as before.
The second twin is informed that the experience represents a sacred experience that is
the turning point in her life. Utilising this experience she changes the whole nature of
her life, developing a real improvement on what may have been 'altered electrical
activity'.
The experience we have is not the issue - it is what we do with it that is important. Do
we make the world better for ourselves and others as best we can?
Fortunately there was a third twin and she went to both the scientist and the holy
person. She decided that to learn something from a dream is better than learning nothing
from 'real' life. She also developed a profound improvement.
Most Kind Regards,
Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:10:03 -0400
From: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini and Neurophysiology]
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At 10:43 AM 10/17/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>A story:
<story snipped for brevity>
To summarize your story about different ways to evaluate a Near Death
Experience:
Three (!!!) twins, hmm, this makes triplets.
Number 1: Believes NDE is electrical brain activity, makes no changes.
Number 2: Believes NDE is sacred and changes her life
Number 3: Values learning from a dream over learning nothing, changes her
life.
Well Mr. Crustacean, thanks for taking this discussion a step forward but I
believe it needs to go even more forward. One of OUR major mental blocks
living as we do in the late 20th Century, is that we feel we have to work
our way around this big hulking mindset called "science". Well, the good
news is, we don't! Science is effective in one realm and one realm alone,
that of the material. (Lets leave out the soft sciences like psychology or
sociology for now). Trying to describe spiritual experience with science is
confusing two different levels of reality. We who experience the "higher"
realms have to be clear on this and not apologetic. We must not make
apologies or allowances for the scientific world view, which, as a matter
of fact, is in the process of falling apart anyway.
So Triplet #1's mental world is severely deficient, too bad. She needs to
wake up.
Triplet #2 "believes" it is sacred - so its a start.
Triplet #3 is the worst really because she relativizes her experience. She
says, "Oh well, maybe it was just a dream but I value it anyway" thereby
making allowances for the scientific world view.
Let's teach Triplet #2 to not only "Believe" but to actually EXPERIENCE
that her NDE is sacred. Let's teach her to access higher level realms of
consciousness that duplicate those of her NDE so she knows it wasn't a
dream and it wasn't electrical. And let's teach Triplet #3 not to
relativize her inner experiences but to experience them as real.
Remember: the spiritual world CONTAINS the scientific/material world, not
the other way around. You can explain science by spiritual understanding
but you can't explain spiritual things with scientific understanding. So
don't go buying any more books by physicists who have suddenly discovered
God or whatever. Make them buy YOUR books instead.
A really good book for people who are still somehow bound to the scientific
world view or having trouble with my admittedly poor exposition here,
should find Huston Smith's "Forgotten Truth : The Common Vision of the
World's Religions" for a really fine exposition of this. Also, Ken Wilber
is very good on all of this.
David
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:34:05 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: AVRAM Sergiu <avrams6ATnospamvega.unitbv.ro>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: tantra sex
Message-ID: <3447775A.C62FDD36ATnospamgeocities.com>
AVRAM Sergiu wrote:
> I heard about tantra a few months ago and I am very interested.
> If someone can help me with technics,breath,...,please write
> to me becose I can't find nothing about tantra sex in Romania.
>
> BYE!!
Avram!
Try to search http://www.spiritweb.org on the net you will find links to
what you are looking for.
Good Luck,
Anandajyoti
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:16:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: games: finite and infinite:)
Message-Id: <199710171516.KAA08075ATnospamdfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>
James Carse also wrote a delightful book of essays called "Breakfast at
the Victory," the title piece of which is so lovely it brought tears to
my eyes. Holly
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:36:23 -0400
From: "Duncan, Mark" <duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil>
To: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
Message-ID: <01B8F53230B7D0118F530000F638E6AB2C35F1ATnospamATSC08>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria Greco [SMTP:lodpressATnospamintercomm.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:39 AM
> To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
> Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot]
>
> amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
[duncanm] <snip> We may all be facets of
> > the same diamond, but I enjoy experiencing each facet by itself,
> too.
[duncanm] <snip>
Please bear with me (I think a brain cell is spasming).
This diamond has an infinite number of facets (try to imagine that).
Each one of us
is a facet on this flawless diamond. The perfect diamond is the
Oneness. Hence,
we are all a vital part of this Oneness. The flaws are perfections
observed in another light.
The facets face the center of the diamond (not the exact center, but in
the general
direction). This observation is made from within the Oneness. From
outside the
Oneness, the facets face away from the center. Light enters the diamond
and reflects
off of every facet inside. Light entering the Oneness may be from
another dimension,
centering in the Oneness and radiating outward. The reflected light
carries the aspects
of each facet that it is reflected from. The light continues to
illuminate the diamond
with the light reflected from all of the aspects of all of the facets.
We are truly all one. The light from each of us reflects in all of us.
The love in me is the love in you. Where there appears no love, there
is love
observed only in a different form.
I think the brain cell just burnt out...
... or did it just supernova.
Love & Light
Mark C. Duncan
Network Engineer
Information Technology Solutions, Inc.
Building 2787, Ft. Eustis, VA
757.878.0071 ext. 297
duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:07:52 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: joke (not funny)
Message-Id: <199710171707.KAA23339ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
What, pray tell, is the difference between an Artic Shaman of 2,500
years ago and a paranoid shizophrenic of today?
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:43:24 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Compassion
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I enjoy the discussions lately even though I hve not much time to read
them all. I see Lobster posted something from Linda Sherman>> "Why am I
more interested in solving the problem than they are?" It seems they
didn't really want to solve the problem. They wanted atttention, or maybe
to get close to you. This requires acute awareness at every step. If
there is not equal participation in a defined goal, I may need to
communicate clearly and take my energy elsewhere, or else I begin to feel
like the agressor. Be careful of fixing, having someone elses answers, as
it disempowers them. It is important to me to make sure compassion is
love and not pity, not a one-up position (the ego). Saving a person
weakens them, makes them more dependent.
>>>
How wise this is. I have found that people often make unconscious or
hidden consent to their torture or pain because it helps them grow. How
can we know what these agreements are? I have found that the beauty of
how we are all knitted up together and intertwined is awesome. I was
helping someone with a very dangerous problem.. and I was learning all
kinds of things about ME and about my own state.. and then I found out
that the person had by free will chosen to participate in this dreadful
experience... and it was my own fears around that that I was trying to
deal with... he was probably not worried as at his own level he had agreed
to go through it... In the helping though I grew a lot ...found out a lot
about myself and feel myself an entirely new person.
So I think the bottom line is, if you are helping others... just realize
you are doing it for YOURSELF and have no illusionsabout doing it for
others... this is the only attitude worth having in the pity department
and I believe that this enables true compassion which to me has to be
respectful of theother person's wholeness or it is not worth a damn.
Love, Ruth
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:48:27 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Orchids...
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Dear Mr Namaste:
Thank you for this wonderful saying from Confucius...
It made my day...
>>Life leads the thoughtful man on a path of many windings.
Now the course is checked, now it runs straight again.
Here winged thoughts may pour freely forth in words,
There the heavy burden of knowledge must be shut away in silence.
But when two people are at one in their inmost hearts,
They shatter even the strength of iron or of bronze.
And when two people understand eachother in their inmost hearts,
Their words are sweet and strong, like the fragrance of orchids.
----
This has been my experience... indomitable...unbeatable... I have been
experiencing this with a beloved soulmate for the past 2 years.. and
inspite of many strong storms...this strength has remained...and defeated
as far as I can tell... a great many walls and armies.... and will
continue to do so until the forces are overwhelmed entirely. There is no
force greater than this.
Ruth
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:24:07 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri
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Dear Flute,
Last night I tried to send you this attachment.
It still, today, comes back as "undeliverable", although I am absolutely
certain that I have your correct address. I thanked Mike for his
information and told him that another Klister was very interested in
Swami Sri Yukteswar, and that I would forward it to her.
My apologies to the List Mystress and to all others concerned that I
have submitted an attachment.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:59:25 -0500
From: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
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To: MrNamaste <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>
Subject: Re: Tummo
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MrNamaste wrote:
>
> On page 201 Yogananda writes:
>
> Fortunately for his disciples, Sri Yukteswar burned many of their sins
> in the fire of his severe fever in Kashmir.
Dear Mr. Namaste and All:
If you are truly interested in the practices of Sri Yukteswar you might
want to check out
http://members.aol.com/kyashram/index.htm
Here you will find info. about Hari Harinanda Giri, probably the
greatest living Kriya yoga master; and a direct disciple of Sri
Yukteswar. He took first kriya from Sri Yukteswar and second from
Paramahansa Yogananda. Fortunately he is living for half a year in the
new Florida ashram. I think initiations are about $125.00 right now. He
teaches the original Kriya which Yogananda changed for Americans.
Sincerely;
Mike Beaver
yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net
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