1997/10/09 09:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #504
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 504
Today's Topics:
Lobster criticism
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: absence
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Which Mind ?
Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
[Fwd: Re: Lobster criticism]
Re: Which Mind ?
Re: Unidentified subject!
RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:52:22 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: zarcon pitom <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lobster criticism
Message-ID: <343C8D36.C3534AC7ATnospambluewin.ch>
zarcon pitom wrote:
> Most of you accept my physical's process of dealing with the
> non-physical realm
> But Crustacean has communicated in a less than favorable vein
>
> .....pity the confused, pity the bitter.....help them open their
> minds.....help them learn.....for they have suffered
>
> Tomorrow is the 7th night that i have communicated to you through my
> physical...
>
> sorry Crustacean.....for some reason known to you the term physical
> offends you.....interestingly no-one else has expressed a like sentiment
> Dont be ambivalent, accusatory,antagonistic,apoplectic,diametrically
> opposed, discombobulated,flabbergasted, obnoxious,verbose to
> obfuscate,officious, perscipatious,persnicity,presumptory, vindictive,
> or xenophobic.....that'll do for a start.....be nice.....Crustacean, May
> you only know pleasantries since you have already known the other
> side.....Mangal
The Lobster likes to communicate unfavorably - his choice. But if that
touches a nerve in you, if that makes you squirm, that is yours. In his
way, Lobster helps people see the fragile ego constructs (psych: complexes)
to which they desperately cling. He also reveals his own constructs in his
criticisms. For example, his insistence on humility is an attempted veil
over a lack of it.
You call yourself the "physical" or "zarcon."
He calls himself "Lobster."
I call myself "Zympht."
I suggest that his criticism of the particular metaphor you have chosen is
partially directed at himself for also using one.
But criticism, especially when it makes you squirm, can be a springboard for
self-knowledge. There's no point in attacking the criticiser. That only
speaks of the depth of ego construct you have created. Perhaps to observe
the criticism and your reaction to it is all that you need.
Metaphorically,
Zympht.
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 01:27:12 PDT
From: "Colin Jones" <ombabajiATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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>I do see beyond your words and understand what you are talking about, I
wouldn't have been brazen enough to take the stand I did if I didn't
think I felt I knew the underlying message (truth) you were trying to
get across.
Dear Graham,
This will be my last reply to your comments, since you completely
ignore them. You say you understand what I am talking about, when I
keep repeating that you CANNOT possibly understand what I am talking
about. That is the whole point! Oh well. Irreconcilable Differences.
Anyway, all the best to you and your journey.
Love & Blessings,
Colin
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:35:41 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Energy flows [Was: K & Holy spirit]
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ori^ wrote:
> The discussion about various energy flows has been quite
> thought provoking. What is it that allows us to perceive
> the energy which moves through us? Why are diffent energetic
> systems and interpretations developed in different cultures?
Why are people different? Many reasons.
What allows the perception of subtle energy is a more difficult question. Many people
think it is the mind which perceives the energy. However we are (I believe) not talking
about mind states, however subtle, but a more intuitive perception. The mind has to be
stilled of its chatter so we may become aware of this more profound stirring. This is why
most traditions and most mystics develop a taste for the stilling of mind, body and
spirit.
They do this in order to become aware of something else. Part of the problems that people
experience with kundalini are a clearing and cleansing process that should lead to a
degree of calm or a sense of stillness. If this does not happen then they are (which is
quite common) at the mercy of this force. This is why deliberately invoking K without
knowledge is one of the stupidiest things one can do.
For this reason closing peoples chakras may be more useful than trying to open every
chakra going without any real understanding of the consequences and responsibilities.
Now the more subtle energy is Love. Love is only perceptible by means of itself. It is
not something that (in the Higher Sense) one can take into ones awareness. One must give
Love its own energy to perceive it. We could say Mind (in the sense of non attached
awareness or perception) or Goddess instead of Love. In other words it is the god-like
which perceives God.
> How is the process of awakening related to these various
> energetic flows? Kundalini awakening might be but one type
> of awakening... how is it the same or different from others?
My understanding is that Kundalini is a body energy that may align to certain cosmic
attunements. In other words it is the unleashing (or hopefully gentle releasing) of
energy that corresponds to or resonates with a corresponding more subtle reflection of
which it is part. I also consider it of minor importance - why? Because its effects are
largely detrimental to those unable to cope with its excesses. This is why I try to
develop qualities first and foremost.
You will find that most traditional formulations also refine the person before the
kundalini or similar energy is encountered. Those who have had spontaneous openings of
this energy are often very disturbed by its manifestations but there is nothing to fear.
Such energies can be controlled eventually. Initially one does not have the resources to
cope and just 'going with it', is the best advice.
> Could these different energy flows explain the activation of
> certain chakras before others? I've wondered if what is
> referred to as kundalini might occur in different chakras or
> different levels of the auric field. Thus one could be awakened
> through the 5th or 6th chakra... but not yet in the 1st.
It is possible to open the crown chakra first and this automatically opens all the
others. Balancing is a lengthy process.
> Ram wrote:
> >Kundalini energy is of many types. It is energy of astral thought
> >level. K-energy of hate level tends towards matter more compared
> >to k-energy of love level.
>
> This seems to relate to my thought about the kundalini energy being
> activated initially on various levels before it is activated on the
> physical. I wonder if sometimes the imbalances occur because one is
> not balanced in each of the levels.
If you prepare the vessel (empty it) you will have no problems with the activation of K.
The problem is that most people are full of rubbish. Mixing this with K just causes a
grotesque (eg. Lobster). Now people do not like to hear that their ecstasies, psychic
abilities, physical manifestations, mind explosions, visitation from spirits, aliens etc
are interesting but spiritually of no consequence. It is only when all these symptoms
have lessened their impact and importance that real work can begin.
> Kurt wrote:
> >I want to understand everyone's perspective - Christian Charismatics,
> >Taoists, Qi Gong pracititioners, Tibetan Tantrists and try to
> >integrate all of these. Each of these traditions has a different
> >depiction of energy flow and places a somewhat different emphasis
> >on the final destination of the flow.
>
> I think your idea of inventoring the energy movements is
> wonderful and would provide a useful reference document.
It is useful to understand these energies and how they may usefully and effectively serve
people and their growth. Christian charismatics (in the populist tradition) are just
emotional hysterics - they have very little understanding of what is going on. It would
be of much use that the other traditions (which though partly superstious are more mature
in the directing and utilisation of the energy) were investigated in a way that throws
light on those interested in the potential of this energy.
> Ram wrote:
> >But higher energy is way beyond these k-energies.
>
> What is the connecting point between k-energies and
> higher energies?
Higher energy has its own dynamics. The connection is through Wisdom or Love. So much is
revealed to the mature mystic - they ask and they know. Eventually they do not even
bother asking and find it sufficient to reside in Spirit alone.
> In service to the process of awakening,
> ori^
:)
Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:49:48 +1000 (EST)
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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> i must agree with Leonya that the words are *not* the experience(s),
> but just different signposts pointing to the same destination.
At no time did I say the destination was anything different, we all seek to
know God. I am trying to point out two things. The first is how we get
locked into certain beliefs that the spirit realms have this structure or
another and that no other structure is valid. We hang on to these
structures, we actually think they are important to reaching the
destination. This is the second point, why do we need to waste our time
putting together and trying to understand these structures in the first
place. After all, even Colin says that the whole can not be understood. If
it cannot even be understood, what are you hoping to achieve in building
the model in the first place.
Ahh but then I am the madman, I am the Kourt Jester (look, I even have my
own email address). I challenge the Kings and Queens, I make fun of them.
Since I am only the Kourt Jester feel free to ignore my words as they are
just ravings and inconsequential in the end. But perhaps some in trying to
understand what I am saying will at least compare them against their own
beliefs. Even worse could happen, some may even allow themselves to be
challenged into thinking differently. In the mean time I'll continue to
tease the Kings and Queens, always coming ever so close to being hung at
the gallows for my temerity of challenging peoples beliefs, of pushing
them off their thrones. :-)
--
Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:04:14 +1000 (EST)
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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> > I do see beyond your words and understand what you are talking about, I
> > wouldn't have been brazen enough to take the stand I did if I didn't
> > think I felt I knew the underlying message (truth) you were trying to
> > get across.
>
> Dear Graham,
>
> This will be my last reply to your comments, since you completely
> ignore them. You say you understand what I am talking about, when I
> keep repeating that you CANNOT possibly understand what I am talking
> about. That is the whole point! Oh well. Irreconcilable Differences.
> Anyway, all the best to you and your journey.
>
> Love & Blessings,
> Colin
And here we are, the proof is in the pudding. That which was described
cannot actually be understood, but yet I am lambasted by others for not
understanding it. No one else can understand the Kourt Jester either as he
talks in nonsense and riddles. So it is that Gurus try to teach that which
cannot be understood. Is there then a point to it. Why can't they just
teach Love. Ahh but then that isn't as attractive as trying to learn what
can't be understood and thus wouldn't attract near as many followers would
it. We just all seem to think that we must have knowledge. Well the Kourt
Jester thinks this is madness. After all, aren't the models we try to
construct only relevent within our materialistic thinking and thus will
become even more irrelevant when we move onto a higher plain and out of
the illusion in which we are trapped.
So it is that another performance of the Kourt Jester comes to an end, the
curtain closes. :-)
--
Kourt Jester (kourt-jesterATnospamdscpl.com.au)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 06:04:46 -0700
From: Chuck Davis <roshicorpATnospamROSHI.com>
To: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: absence
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On 08-Oct-97, valerian wrote:
>the *absence* of money?
Well, money is a `life force' the the government loves to tax and confiscate.
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:39:36 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, indra wrote:
> Some may question of my source of this information. I feel I should
> divulge that too publicly. One of Sri Aurobindo's greatest disciples,
> Dilip Kumar Roy, who was my mother's first cousin. I have had the
> opportunity to meet and talk with Dilip Kumar Roy on many occasions,
> in family settings, whenever he used to visit Calcutta from Pondicherry.
>
> At the time Dilip Roy told me , in early 1960's "that the path of
> Integral Yoga is very advanced for the times.But time will come when Sri
> Aurobindo's ideas will cover the world" Now it is 1997 and Sri
> Auroibindo's ideas have finally and slowly reached the West.
> I personally have great time with Sri Aurobindo and Mothers works.
>
> In 1957 or 58 my mothers brother gave me the Book "Life Divine- Sabitri"
> to read. We were on the terrace with table lamps to read and watching
> the clear canopy of the star filled Universe. I had to read, my uncle
> would explain his views on it. After reading a two pages, I got a
> headache and had to stop. at the time I was 10-11 years old.
>
> I felt like to share this with list.
>
> In Love, Life and Light,
>
> Indra
>
>
Some one named Indra lives in Poona in an ashram (temple cum
beautiful bunglow). She is respected and worshipped by many devotees. She
claims to have a lifelong association with Mr Dilip Roy.
At present she is quite sick. You may be personally knowing her.
If you want any sort of contact or message for her, I shall be glad to be
of service. Infact this ashram was first established by Dilip Roy
and the trust now is in his name. There are a lot of his photos and books
which he had written
ram
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:54:19 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Which Mind ?
Message-Id: <9710091741.AA21308ATnospamns.valunet.com>
Good Morning :
Many of the posts I read here are interesting and deep, and I do mean deep
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:03:02 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini Joy Spot
Message-ID: <343CF226.383EATnospamsmartt.com>
Sunil R Peswani wrote:
>
>
>
> Some one named Indra lives in Poona in an ashram (temple cum
> beautiful bunglow). She is respected and worshipped by many devotees. She
> claims to have a lifelong association with Mr Dilip Roy.
> At present she is quite sick. You may be personally knowing her.
> If you want any sort of contact or message for her, I shall be glad to be
> of service. Infact this ashram was first established by Dilip Roy
> and the trust now is in his name. There are a lot of his photos and books
> which he had written
> ram
Hello Ram,
It is nice of you to inform regarding "Indiraji" fo Hari Krishna
Asram,established by Dilip Kumar Roy.
I am saddened to hear about her illness. Thanks for your offer of help.
I do not have the exact street address of the Ashram.
Would you be so kind to forward the address to me. It would be a great
help,
and Thanks muchly again,
Indra
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:46:25 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Lobster criticism]
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:15:52 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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To: zymphtATnospambluewin.ch
Subject: Re: Lobster criticism
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Jason S. White wrote:
> The Lobster likes to communicate unfavorably - his choice. But if that
> touches a nerve in you, if that makes you squirm, that is yours. In his
> way, Lobster helps people see the fragile ego constructs (psych: complexes)
> to which they desperately cling. He also reveals his own constructs in his
> criticisms. For example, his insistence on humility is an attempted veil
> over a lack of it.
Hooray! Well said. Of course it is my choice.
Bad, naughty, unpleasant Lobster - So?
:D
What I am is not *you* but it may reflect something in you. "He also reveals his own
constructs in his criticisms."
Exactly so - if I criticise it is because I am critical, if I judge it is because I am
judgemental.
Now Dear Friends, who would like everyone to think what a nice, evolved, wise etc etc
person they are - so easy to do - so superficial.
Real?
No. We have to be honest with each other - that is real kindness, we have to point out
foolishness - knowing it is foolish to do so and so on.
My lack of humility is indeed a great lack - I should not be so proud of it should I? :)
> You call yourself the "physical" or "zarcon."
> He calls himself "Lobster."
> I call myself "Zympht."
>
> I suggest that his criticism of the particular metaphor you have chosen is
> partially directed at himself for also using one.
Exactly so. We are critical of that which is also in ourselves. Well said. :)
> But criticism, especially when it makes you squirm, can be a springboard for
> self-knowledge. There's no point in attacking the criticiser. That only
> speaks of the depth of ego construct you have created. Perhaps to observe
> the criticism and your reaction to it is all that you need.
Exactly so. There is no criticism in anything that has been said here - just an
opportunity to examine behaviour.
Aren't you the person who wanted to be wise? Good start! Another 20-30 years and you'll
have it cracked - maybe :)
Many thanks.
Most Kind Regards
The lacking in humility Lobster
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:20:07 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Which Mind ?
Message-ID: <343CF627.1BEAATnospamsmartt.com>
F. Drew Leyda wrote:
>
> Good Morning :
>
> Many of the posts I read here are interesting and deep, and I do mean deep
Hello F. Drew!
Your short and preciseness carries a lot of weight, for any so inclined.
The mind is like a lake. From the banks it appears to be brushed by the
winds and ripples go on and on.
The soul , the shining light of every being is at the bottom of that
lake.
To know ourselves better than we do normally, I feel, sometimes we need
to dive deep, on the way we experience the sheer beauty of it. We see
the water predators and also the victims. We down deeper still and
finally hit the surface well below. We experience a ray or two of the
sihining light. We approach it caution, fear of loosing ourselves,
annihilation. We gather our courage to seek, find and experience where
that shining light emmnates from. We approach it nearer and nearer,
We find it covered with mud, we scrape the mud off, and lo and behold,
the light which was hidden becomes revealed in all its power and
serenity. The mind , the lake is still. No sounds, no waves,no predators
no victims.The light asks, would you make love to me. I shiver, I
glimmer,I make the choice, I proceed. Then lo and behold, the whole
Universe vanishes, there is no me, no the other. I become you and you
me. Both together in perrenial joy of Union and there remains no two but
One and only One in eternity.
In Love, Life and Light,
Indra
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 11:04:23 EDT
From: Leonya <haskinATnospamcadsys.ENET.dec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, grahamdATnospamnms.otc.com.au
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <9710091504.AA15577ATnospamus7rmc.bb.dec.com>
>I challenge the Kings and Queens, I make fun of them.
>We just all seem to think that we must have knowledge. Well the Kourt
>Jester thinks this is madness.
Dear Jester who tries to rationalize his behavior,
I'm afraid that in this act, the jokes might be on you. A Jester who
thinks he has a purpose or an excuse for his act is usually the most
tragic character of all...
Be free. Do help me laugh and will thank you then.
Leonya
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:02:10 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamPhoneLink.COM>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
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Dear Terry,
After reading your reply I thought I'd follow up on a couple of points - one being Kundalini yoga versus Taoist Yoga, and the second being some relevant info on Gurdjieff's ideas.
Both K and T Yoga place emphasis on transferring energy through the spine, and through various gates or chakras along it. But they diverge on other details. The question one could ask is are they complementary, or are they mutually exclusive systems. My attitude is that these disciplines owe a lot to their cultural and religious contexts in terms of the ways they systematize the states of achievement. I think that what we have is contrasting systems of esoteric physiology. Both built their systems on deep introspection on parts of the body, combined with visualization and breathing practices. Whether what they espouse is an absolute fact or an interpretation is another matter. A near to hand analogy would be the computer. There is nothing in nature like a digital computer - it is entirely an arbitrary creation. But there are principles of design, they work and they produce results. Of course there are different types of computer as well e.g. parallel. It could be that someone could develop a system similar to T or K Yoga working from first principles, and that the methodology and results gained would be amenable to scientific analysis.
As for Gurdjiff, he held that most people are in a state comparable to sleep - they are not fully aware of themselves, only subsections of their identity, and prone to identification, negative emotion and other bad states. He also held that we have potentiality for four bodies, not only the physical, but the astral, mental and spiritual as well. He advocated analysis of personality to become aware of the existence of the fragmented 'little I's", and also a practice called 'self-remembering' where one is simultaneously aware of oneself and the thing one is observing. He tended towards the view of the human as a 'chemical factory', assimilating food, air, and impressions. Building the astral body requires a refined type of energy made possible by the jolt caused to ordinary impressions by self-remembering. "in Search of the Miraculous' by P.D. Ouspensky (and to a lesser extent "The Fourth Way" by the same author) is a good introduction to Gurdjieff's system of thought and his strategies for dealing with the psychological barriers to a state of self-remembering.
Tara,
Tom
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From: David Tompkins[SMTP:gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr]
Sent: 09 October 1997 15:28
To: 'Kundalini list'
Subject: RE: Gurdjieff's concept of the kundabuffer
Tom Bradley wrote:
<But the phenomenon that kundalini training tackles seems to exist, and has found a different expression in Taoist Yoga. One thing I've noticed is that there's a greater emphasis in that tradition on the health benefits of ki circulation. Also, the circulation is not confined to the spine - it goes through channels in the trunk, arms and legs (do these correspond to the nadis, and is there a broader movement of kundalini in the body, and what is the connection between prana and kundalini?). Prolonged practice of Taoist ki circulation leads to the ki permeating the entire body (it's supposed to feel like millions of tiny fish swimming in your skin). The source for this material is Taoist Yoga, and Secrets of Chinese Meditation, both written by Lu Kuan Yu (Charles Luk).>
Tom
Dear Tom:
Presently I'm reading Taoist Yoga and have found it very helpful. I don't know anything about Gurdjieff though, sorry. I have been training in a kind of Taoist Yoga here in Korea for two years now and, there is a strong emphasise on the health benefits of ki circulation. It seems to be the way the training can be presented to people, but that certainly is not it's primary intention. It's rather a side effect. You spoke of the nadis, and my impression is that the channels going down the legs and arms are the same. However, there is also tan t'ien in different parts of the body. One just below the navel, one in the heart area, and one in the brow. BUT, my impression here is that they are different from chakras. I don't know how though. I am very interested in exploring this (ie. sharing impressions) with someone to come to an understanding of this difference. As for the difference between prana and kundalini, I don't know but I think there's a big difference. Terry Romine wrote to me on September 9, 1997 2:01 AM saying,
<<There is a central channel that is used for prana: it runs in a straight
line from the crown to the perineum (located between the analsphincture
and the scrotum).
There are two channels that twist around the spinal column, that I
believe are used for cosmic energy and kundalini.>>
Just now I wonder if prana is more closely related to etheric energy? I see that as the bright energy (sometimes invisible but still 'bright' if you can accept that) within the first 1/2 inch to three inches from the body. Are ki and prana different kinds of etheric energy? The only time I FELT ki was when a drop of water fell down my belly, but I wasn't wet. Millions of tiny fish swimming around your body I can certainly believe.
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Terry
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