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1997/08/09 17:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #388


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 388

Today's Topics:
  The idea
  Re: Risposta: All the language BS
  bandwidth demon (sometimes)
  Re: being "touched"
  re: being "touched"
  languages...strange brew
  causal body casualty
  [KUNDALINI] New List Member
  ?? about anger. Was: Dancing in the Flames. . .a path to
  Mastery.
  Re: causal body casualty
  Re: [KUNDALINI] New List Member
  Kundalini and menopause
  Re: Personal experience
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
  Re: being "touched"
  Re: being "touched"
  Angels
  Re: being "touched"
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:29:09
From: "Sergio Lucio Maria" <sergiomariaATnospamcidadanet.org.br> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The idea
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809012909.2e572618ATnospamdomin8rex.com>

___Galeria Ser, Luz e Mar___
 sergiomariaATnospamcidadanet.org.br
____Sergio Lucio Maria______
I am very happy to participate in this list, I send a idea of the mailing
list to gnostic site here in Brazil. With this we create a new Gnostic
list. The Gnostic list is a portuguese list and I apreciate if all people
who talk in portuguese going and work with us.
  -------------------------------------------------------------
  Embrace and blessings,
  Sergio
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:52:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
Cc: DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Risposta: All the language BS
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970808235242.2e6fbc5eATnospamdomin8rex.com>

At 17:13 08/08/97, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
>My dear Douglas,
>
>>My computer has been down for a few days and upon my return I saw the
ranting
>>and raving about someone sending stuff out in portugese. I think it is odd
>>that these seemingly enlightened people who have so many non verbal
>>experiences would lend so much importance to someone's lengthy verbal
>>expression in another language.
  I am always amused at the pigeonhole limitations on how folks expect
"enlightened" people "should" act. LOL!!

> The dali lama told a story once about how
>>upon hearing other languages spoken that he does not understand he didn't
>>stop listening but listening more intently. He said that not understanding
>>something should give us focus and not the opposite. Just my two cents...
>>anyway

  There is that "should" word again... Most of the universe is still not
understood by Me.. this shall always be so: the universe is a very big
place, even if it is somehow all inside of me.. I don't yet understand how
that works, either, but it seems a more interesting course of study at the
moment than learning portugese.. my various attempts to learn to speak
other languages have been unsuccessful.
 There is not time in my life to explore everything I do not understand, I
am selective, and seek more understanding in the areas that interest me.
  In any case, it is clear that I was not understood, e'en tho I spoke
english..
  
  So I shall elaborate on the being that is List Mystress:
  I downloaded 45 messages at 10:30 this morning, that's how many had
accumulated since 3 am when I went offline to sleep.
 27 of those 45 messages were "list computer farts", useless messages fron
the K. list computer telling me so and so didn't get the post coz of some
problem with their server or mailbox. 25 of the 27 were from the same
person.. (oddly, another portugese sounding name.. trying to tell me
something, Goddess?) I glanced at a few of them, then deleted the works,
nothing else for me to do.. the computer unsubs closed mailboxes after a
certain number of bounces automatically.
  I could unsub those names right away and stop the flow of "computer
farts", but folks find being unsubbed by me unexpectedly to be upsetting,
and unsubbing folks is a time consuming procedure involving switching to
another, more primitive mail program and messing with passwords and
x-headers... so I leave it alone. No point in sending the mailbox in
question a message, coz that wouldn't get through either.
  A chunk of the remainder was the regular k-list mail. And two copies of
the Digest. Yes, I have 3 subscriptions to K.list... it is a List Mystress
necessity, partly because of the way my personal mailbox is set up with 2
addresses, the alias I use and my domain mailbox address.. partly coz
Kunalini-l-ownerATnospam gets the digest version automatically. 3 addresses, 3
subscriptions.
  Some posts I will get 4 times.. the ones that arrive with "not on the
accept list" in the header, that I redirect back to the list. Some are from
members who the computer is ignoring for some reason.. ( usually a similar
reason to why I need have 2 subscriptions.)
 Some is from the Kundalini resource center.. a tiny percentage is spam and
doesn't get redirected. I protect y'all from the spammers.. it is a closed
list.
  If I count the computer farts, which often include the text of the
bounced post, I get each post 5 to 12 times.. especially on a long weekend
with mailboxes overflowing everywhere.. but I don't usually read them
anymore.
  None of this is a complaint, I have no problems with what I have taken
on, and do it willingly.. just information: I have a pentium 120 with 36mg
of RAM, a fast modem, and I am my ISP"S biggest client.. I offer this
information to demonstrate how utterly unimportant a few stray posts in a
foreign language are to me, personally.
  I have huge email archives, most of the last year's k-list mail on file
in my harddrive. (and copies archived on zip-disk)
  If I had not adequate resources to do the job, I'd not have become List
Mystress.

  However, I am regularly made aware that others on K.list are not blessed
with such abundant technology. They struggle to keep up with K. list coz it
is a lifeline to them.
  So, if I seem to be a bandwidth demon sometimes, it is not for myself: it
is for the listmembers who are bitching at me. The needs of the many.. I
lost count of the number of posts from Otavio I deleted.. It was not
important to me... I didn't unsub him till I got some complaints, and had
inquired to Otavio by email as to the reason for the onslaught, without
response.
>
>
>Aami bolte chai ki onno bhashaey kotha bolley jara ei chithi ta pode tara
>kichhoo i bujhtey parey na. Ei chithi ta bechi moba noey kintu jinish ta
hocchey
>jey jodi amra shobbai ei ta podtey pari tobe kaj debe, noiley etar labh nei.
>
>
>Aapni ki bujhtey parlen ami ki boltey chai ?
>
>Nomoshkar
>Ashanka Sen
>
  C'mon, at least a smilicon to help me out?
  What I get from this is something about an escaped cow, some embroidery
and offeriings of tea of the Jedi from Star wars, in a nice pottery teapot..
  I think that the Dalai Lama would agree that reading faces that are
speaking another language, and interpreting text of another language, are
very different..
  Namaskar to you, too.. Blessings, List Mystress A.
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: bandwidth demon (sometimes)
Message-Id: <199708091338.GAA13672ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>

Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:

>protect y'all from the spammers.. it is a closed
>list.
> If I count the computer farts, which often include the text of the
>bounced post, I get each post 5 to 12 times.. especially on a long weekend
>with mailboxes overflowing everywhere.. but I don't usually read them
>anymore.
> None of this is a complaint, I have no problems with what I have taken
>on, and do it willingly.. just information
> If I had not adequate resources to do the job, I'd not have become List
>Mystress.

>>Aami bolte chai ki onno bhashaey kotha bolley jara ei chithi ta pode tara
>>kichhoo i bujhtey parey na. Ei chithi ta bechi moba noey kintu jinish ta
>>jey jodi amra shobbai ei ta podtey pari tobe kaj debe, noiley etar labh nei.
>>
>>
> C'mon, at least a smilicon to help me out?
> What I get from this is something about an escaped cow, some embroidery
>and offeriings of tea of the Jedi from Star wars, in a nice pottery teapot..

Help and praise and gratitude and no more escaped cows!! Thanks for all
you do Angelique. This post's for you - 12 times over.

M
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:38:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: "Enid" <wynATnospamgate.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: being "touched"
Message-Id: <199708091338.GAA13719ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>

At 09:28 PM 8/8/97, Enid wrote:
>Dear Folks,
>Since I was a young adult strange things took place which I did not
>understand.
> For some reason I had been given an audience with G-d. The
>conversation dealt with my private life and lasted approximately 10
>minutes. The only thing I know the presence did not stem from an
>earthbound soul. Why I wonder.

>home. While I was getting pampered the aroma of roses came directly
>between her and I. Now I am familiar
>with the STIGMATA and ROSES which are equated with Christ. Why should this
>happen to me? I was totally thrown but these to happenings.
>

Welcome to our list Enid. Isn't it nice that life isn't boring and that
mysteries abound still? A friend and I had the 'aroma-lucination'
experience too. We thought our conversation - which had been quite
spiritual - brought the energy in. Lovely.

You ask, why you. I'd ask, Why not you? Why not anone and everyone?

And I'd answer, everyone sooner or later. How nice it's sooner for you.

M
>
*
 Pleiade Publishers *
 PO Box 108 * * *
 Arroyo Grande CA 93421 * *

 
 
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:58:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: being "touched"
Message-Id: <199708091458.JAA26557ATnospamdfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com>

Welcome, Enid. Many of us had transcendent experiences or unusual
abilities as children that went through a period of dormancy till
middle age. What this Divine energy seems to love doing is to shatter
all our pitiful attempts to categorize our earthly experience! I am
Jewish as well but my awakening included, not only "information," but
spontaneous movements and body positions called "mudras," a Hindu
concept I didn't learn about till over a year later when I joined this
list. Also a period of intense sexuality. Then anger. None of this
is what I would have expected. I am astonished daily. Holly
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: languages...strange brew
Message-ID: <19970809160932.2631.rocketmailATnospamsend1.rocketmail.com>

I am one of those who must pay for my email pickup. Can get very
expenensive in a cybercafe.

This is what happens. I automatically delete those messages that I
know will be in foreign languages or written in forms of prose that
are mutations of cyberspeak and english. My loss I am sure. Finances
in that situation must come before culture or enlightenment.

Its just the way it is.

Blessings,
Susan

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: causal body casualty
Message-ID: <19970809162516.4304.rocketmailATnospamsend1.rocketmail.com>

I have been told by clairvoyants that I no longer have a causal body.
It seems my soul has merged back into the oversoul, heavenly father,
source, monad (fill in the topical diety of the day).

According to the alice bailey system, it seems I am moving from the
fourth initiation to the fifth intitiation. I have one foot in the
buddhic plane and one foot in the atmic plane.

Oh great, so now what?

Wondering,
Susan

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:29:37 -0400
From: Kimberly Major <Elefante63ATnospamCompuServe.com>
To: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: [KUNDALINI] New List Member
Message-ID: <199708091329_MC2-1CBE-F97ATnospamcompuserve.com>
Content-Disposition: inline


Hi! :-)

I'm very new here and I wanted to let the list know I was *on* and how I
got here...a synchronicistic soul from a Reiki mailing list mentioned a
Kundalini web site which I visited and saw this list to subscribe to and
voila! here I am! <smirk> A little about me (and I look forward to being a
contributor to the list).

  1. Name
** My name is Kimberly Stacey Major. Online, I have a few nicknames. One
is Kimmers and I've also been tagged with "Otter" by someone's observation
of my Native American *energy.* Offline, I am simply known as "Kim." Feel
free to use any of these monikers, OK? :-)

  2. Age
**I am 34....and one half! :-)

  3. When did you first become aware of kundalini in your life?
**I think Kundalini has been flowing through me since I was a teenager but
I suppressed it because I was afraid. It really seems to be heightened
(the symptoms, I mean) since my Reiki I attunement 2 months ago. Anyone
else have a similar experience?

  4. How long ago was this?
** See above explanation.

  5. What are some of the things you have noticed?
**Some symptoms that I have noticed is a type of *buzzing* and intense
bursts of energy emitting from my solar plexus at random times, often in
public, driving into work, etc. These are not painful but almost euphoric
in experience. Puzzling though, I must admit.

  6. What has changed/is changing in your life?
**I know that I am going through a rebirth....it was sparked by my decision
to get a divorce when I turned 30 and I have been going uphill since then!

  7. Do you have any particular practices that you have found helpful?
**I started meditating about one month ago in the mornings. I notice that
this helps me in my connection to Reiki as well as maintain clarity with
the psychic part of me. I am curious though about anyone on this list who
feels the kundalini but is NOT feeling psychic per se....anyone?

  8. Are you involved in any service to others?
**I do public relations and marketing here in San Diego, California and
work for a credit union. A lot of my job seems like I do volunteer work I
love and happen to get paid for! Wonderful, huh? In addition to that, I
do help/assist/guide others through my clairvoyance....it is a sort of
service for me and I enjoy helping others, that just is my nature.

  9. What are you hoping to get out of this list?
** I hope to learn more about kundalini and connecting with like-minded
souls who are on my same path. We all encounter each other for a reason.
I am sure there are lessons for me from this list. Thanks to all for the
messages that I am about to receive!

Looking forward to your posts soon, Kimmers :-)
Kimberly Stacey Major
"Mystic Rebel Karma Joy" <----name anagram
http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/melonbel/melon2/kimmers.html
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: ?? about anger. Was: Dancing in the Flames. . .a path to
  Mastery.
Message-Id: <199708091756.KAA24656ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>

At 06:27 PM 8/8/97 -0700, Ken McFarland wrote:
>Internalized shame is something we aquire in the developomental process.
>It is a sickness of the soul.
>It has been characterized as a "hole in the soul."
>Heal you self structure.
>They cannot make you feel anything.
>You do it to yourself.

I like the way you put that

>>Again, act responsibly with this powerful energy.
>I include a typology of anger scripts.
>Which scripts are yours?
>There is only one that is truly powerful.
>
> A Typology of Anger Scripts
>
>RATIONAL NON-RESPONSIVE: This script calls for the rational analysis and
>reframing of stimuli in a way that anger is not activated at all.
>
>NON-RESPONSIVE-ANHEDONIC: This is a condition arising from either complete
>reduction of mismatch response saliency, as with a true psychopath, or
>neurohumoral system shutdown manifest as numbing and/or dissociative state.
>
>CONDITIONED RESPONSE BY-PASS: The rules of this script say that anger is an
>unacceptable emotion and high density responses, normally activating anger,
>must remain on the distress-anguish continuum.
>
>SUPPRESSED ANGER RESPONSE: The script rule here is that anger is experienced
>but not expressed; the anger is "stuffed".
>
>REACTIONARY ANGER RESPONSE: This defensive response permits unmodulated
>expression of anger when activated.
>
>TACTICAL ANGER RESPONSE: The rules of this script call for the tactical
>expression of anger in amounts required to avoid or terminate affectively
>painful stimuli. Often this script is used in arguments with a partner when
>the partner is activating shame responses.
>
>STRATEGIC or INSTRUMENTAL ANGER: This script has rules that call for the
>expression of anger in order to systematically control others in a way that
>is goal directed.
>
>TRAIT ANGER: The development of personality has organized, to some extent,
>around anger affect and anger is scripted as the dominant response to most
>stimuli. The individual with this personality type is in a heightened state
>of sympathetic activation.
>

I do the reactionary (conscious of it, so maybe I am modulating, or was too
conditioned in the past for it to be unmodulated) and try to get to
strategic quickly. That seems to really work best for me.

I liked thinking about this and having your list as a guide to analyze the
idea.

OK, now for the question. You said only one is really powerful. Which one?

TIA

M
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: causal body casualty
Message-Id: <199708091756.KAA24677ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>

At 09:25 AM 8/9/97 -0700, susan carlson wrote:
>I have been told by clairvoyants that I no longer have a causal body.
>It seems my soul has merged back into the oversoul, heavenly father,
>source, monad (fill in the topical diety of the day).
>According to the alice bailey system, it seems I am moving from the
>fourth initiation to the fifth intitiation. I have one foot in the
>buddhic plane and one foot in the atmic plane.
>Oh great, so now what?
>Wondering,
>Susan
>

Walk very carefully...
when you are not dancing...

M
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Kimberly Major <Elefante63ATnospamCompuServe.com>
Cc: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: [KUNDALINI] New List Member
Message-Id: <199708091806.LAA26842ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>

At 01:29 PM 8/9/97 -0400, Kimberly Major wrote:
>**I do public relations and marketing here in San Diego, California and
>work for a credit union. A lot of my job seems like I do volunteer work I
>love and happen to get paid for! Wonderful, huh? In addition to that, I
>do help/assist/guide others through my clairvoyance....it is a sort of
>service for me and I enjoy helping others, that just is my nature.
>
> 9. What are you hoping to get out of this list?
>** I hope to learn more about kundalini and connecting with like-minded
>souls who are on my same path. We all encounter each other for a reason.
>I am sure there are lessons for me from this list. Thanks to all for the
>messages that I am about to receive!
>
Kim,

I feel a 'K'inship. Divorcing at thirty (20+ years ago) was my first step
into myself too.

I loved this line in your post. May make a sign and put it in my office:
 
> I do volunteer work I
>love and happen to get paid for!

So, thanks for the message I received.

M
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:54:10
From: SpiritDeeATnospamwebtv.net (DEE B) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini and menopause
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809105410.30ef9fa4ATnospamdomin8rex.com>

What effects does menopause have on the kundalini? Does anyone know of
alternative hormone replacements? I have tried taking Premarin for about
1 year but did not feel like my pre-hysterectomy self.
All insights into this are appreciated.

XOX
Dee
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:58:43
From: Richard <r.peelenATnospampi.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Personal experience
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809105843.30efa38aATnospamdomin8rex.com>

X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailgw01.execpc.com id UAA08959

Hi M,

“It is almost a joy to get fully angry” you wrote.

My anger seems often over-dimensioned, stronger as it should be, or anger
without any apparent motive. A kind of residual anger of former
experiences?.

When I let go (a little of) my anger, it provokes often that the other
gets more angry than I and he/she uses this anger-strength to overcome
me. Is it because I am not properly grounded and my opponent/partner in
anger feels that he/she can overpower me?
 
Or is my anger at such a moments coming from my ego that sees some of
his selfish ideas blocked ?
When is my anger legitimate and when not ? How do I discriminate between
them ?.

Thank you very much for your reaction on my ‘personal experience´ mail.
A nice idea that partnership with K. I´ll try it out if it also works for
me.

Richard.
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:59:40
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809105940.30efe676ATnospamdomin8rex.com>

Hi Enid--

I just wanted to respond to this comment that you wrote:

My best friend, who is a minister, feels I may have been blessed (touched)
by G-D
and Christ. How could this be? I am Jewish and hold onto my faith as
wellas to the many paranormal instances that have presented themselves to
me in the past year. What do you think. Thank you.

First, Jesus Christ was never about religion. And he, like you, was also
Jewish. It doesn't surprise me that you could have been blessed by Christ.
Perhaps you have been chosen by Christ to share something with the world.
You as a non-Christian wouldn't have preconceived notions about Jesus and
would be clearer at reflecting his truth. (Just a thought)

I discovered a book yesterday that might interest you. Called "The
Messangers," the story tells of a non-religious business man who begins
receiving messages from angels. He discoveres that he was St. Paul during
Biblical times. This leads him to past life regression sessions. The truth
he shares differs from popular Christian views.

You are fortunate to be blessed.

Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 11:08:08
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: NancyATnospamMagicCity.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809110808.310f16c2ATnospamdomin8rex.com>

>Return-Path: <kundalini-l-requestATnospamexecpc.com>
>Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:51:51 -0500
>X-Envelope-From: nobodyATnospamaloha.net Sat Aug 9 08:51:50 1997
>Old-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 03:51:47 -1000 (HST)
>From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com>
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Reply-To: NancyATnospamMagicCity.com
>Errors-To: NancyATnospamMagicCity.com
>Sender: NancyATnospamMagicCity.com
>Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
>X-Mail-Gateway: Doug's WWW Mail Gateway 1.1
>X-Real-Host-From: 208.150.193.93
>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>X-Envelope-To: kundalini-l
   
 
>I'm still not able to reply to messages via Netscape. Any suggestions?
>
>Nancy
>
 List Mystress Responds:
  To Nancy and and everyone else from Hawaii..
 It's not you, it's nobodyATnospamalohanet.. Ruth Trimble has the same problems
posting to the list. So does the Kundalini Resource center, it's on the
same server. I forward her posts for her.. it is coz you are saying you are
magic city and the computer sees you as alohanet, and alohanet is not on
the accept list, so your posts come to me as possible spam, instead of
being posted.
  I redirect them to the list, so no sweat. But you will need to wait to
see them come up until I come online to redirect them.. If you'd like a
backup for when I am off sailing, ask someone on the list whose posts go
through easily to redirect them to the list for you.

    If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
 Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: dorATnospamhlc.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: being "touched"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970809145018.2a47dafeATnospameni.net>

Enid,

 As for not understanding Christ and the roses, perhaps it would help if you
looked at this as, Jesus was the man, Christ is the path. No matter what
religion you practice, even if you practice none, if the time for your soul
to be touched by Ruach Ha Kodesh, Shakti, Holy Spirit or Kundalini, is
now... so be it. There are the Saints in India whom omit a floral fragrance,
and they are neither Christians, Jews, or Moslems - but Buddhists.

You have so many gifts, use them wisely. Could it be that you have earned
most of this in a past life or that you were born with these gifts because
Ruach Ha Kodesh was activated within another lifetime? You've lived so many
lifetimes, and there's a very good chance that you've practiced other
religions as well... and maybe some lifetimes with no religion.

So what transpired for the ten minute time frame is between you and Creator.
Instead of wondering why, try why not. I ask neither for you to believe or
not to believe what I have written, take that which feels right to you and
throw the rest to the winds.

Holly makes a valid point, as does Barbara Whitfield in 'Spiritual
Awakenings'... Relax Enid, you are loved and blessed.

love 'n light dor
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:46:51 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: being "touched"
Message-ID: <33ECF35B.21B9ATnospammail.snet.net>

Enid (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:

> My best
> friend, who is a minister, feels I may have been blessed (touched) by G-D
> and Christ. How could this be? I am Jewish and hold onto my faith as
> wellas to the many paranormal instances that have presented themselves to
> me in the past year. What do you think. Thank you.

Beyond the veil of any religion one finds the same Spirit.
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:45:48
From: "Sergio Lucio Maria" <sergiomariaATnospamcidadanet.org.br> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Angels
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809174548.2fef3e90ATnospamdomin8rex.com>

___Galeria Ser, Luz e Mar___
 sergiomariaATnospamcidadanet.org.br
____Sergio Lucio Maria______

  I really love if anyone of the k list say to me what the address about
angels.
  Have anyone the Salvador Dali tarot?
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:47:58
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: being "touched"
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970809174758.2fefd760ATnospamdomin8rex.com>

Hi Enid:
Welcome to the Kundalini experience!
you write:
The next incident occurred several days ago while I was at my nail tech's
home. While I was getting pampered the aroma of roses came directly
between her and I. Now her house is odor free of floral fragrance. I
brought my hands to my face and there was this strong scent of the roses.
I found that just before this occurrance happened I would get exceedingly
warm. The situation prevailed itself for about 2 hours. Now I am
familiar
with the STIGMATA and ROSES which are equated with Christ. Why should this
happen to me? I was totally thrown but these to happenings.>>

The smells happen quite often with K. It is as if the senses are being
purified. It goes along with the body movements, the visions, the sounds
you might hear.. all of it is being purified... the subtle channels are
being cleaned out. I had an incident I write about in my book where I
gave birth to myself... and I smelled the b.m. smell of a baby.. it is
quite distinctive...afte I had given birth to myself as both baby and
mother. My husband came into the room and he smelled it too...so I knew
it was not something I invented. Sometimes when a great being comes to
visit you there will be an odor of their favorite oils or something. It is
as if the physical and the subtle have an opening...like a view into the
higher realms through the senses.

Is it God? Ofcourse, what is not God. But do not get awed by this feeling
of a great presence. The whole point of the K. awakening is to know that
GOD is in you.. and these manifestations are a way of making your
conscious mind accept it.
*****
Ruth

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