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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #229


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 229

Today's Topics:
  Re: Prozac and K
  Re: Prozac and K
  Welcome Duality: Gloria's IMAGE Prison....KA-BOOOOOMMM!
  List Mystress IMAGE Prison....KA-BOOOOOMMM!
  Re: Prozac and K
  Re: Prozac and K
  Re:Prozac and Mystress Angelique
  Image Prison
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:35:53 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>
CC: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3376BA49.4BDEATnospambridge.net>

>
> I do not recommend the use of any chemicals for anyone lightly. And I am
> very suspicious of long term use. Prozac is a very well targeted
> substance. (I am purposely skirting the term drug here) But if anyone uses
> it I highly recommend it to be used with other modalities such as talk
> therapy, meditation, prayer, spiritual reading, belonging to a list like
> this.
>

Im sorry to be attacking Prozac so much, but I know many people that
very adverse effects from it. I have done research myself on it too.this
debate is healthy for all of us to exchange viewpoints, not meant to
feel attacked.
So if you are suspicious of long term use, how long do you plan to use
it, and when you stop what are you going to use next?
Love,
Lissette
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:39:32 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
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At 10:08 AM 5/12/97 -0800, maeror wrote:

>On Mon, 12 May 1997, David Bozzi wrote:
>
>> The pain, the endless empty hole.
>> It is an opportunity.
>> It is a big neon sign directing your attention to
>> where it needs to be.
>> The pain has a purpose.
>> It is a doorway.
>> The only way out is through this door.
>> Not away from it.
>> I love you.
>
>Tsk, you missed my point. ;-)
<snip>
>Many bipolar individuals feel that their whole lives. It's not a doorway,
>it's emotional pain they do NOT deserve... it's not karma (the effects of
>attachments) it's just suffering.

maeror,

I want to support your position.

Two months ago, in March, a very brilliant, attractive young woman I knew,
got the flu near the end of her term in law school and was unable to get a
brief finished by the deadline.
She was bipolar.
he went into a depression spiral and jumped off of Silver Falls to her
death. Had she be on her "drugs" it would not have happened.
It is a tragic loss.

Ken
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:03:46
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Welcome Duality: Gloria's IMAGE Prison....KA-BOOOOOMMM!
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  A few bible quotes, God's duality:
>II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,
and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.
>I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to
number Israel.

>PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like
unto him.
>PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own
conceit.
  ********
    Warning to fluffy bunnies, negative stuff being thrashed out.
  Gloria wrote:
>To get through the illusion you have to blast through... which takes you
to the core energy which is what we demonstrated here, negative and
positive energies that clash, when this happens and people detach and
neutralize thought forms, the real experience & training takes place.THIS
IS WHEN IT GETS REAL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PAST TIME.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^

  In treating alcoholism, they get the alcoholic to identify their Enablers.
  These are the well meaning folks in the alcoholics life who give the
alcoholic the enormous amount of support they need to remain an alcoholic.
  They enable the alcoholic to remain stuck in denial.
  Some of these folks are also alcoholics, drinking buddies, but mostly it
is the kind ones who with love and best intentions comfort the alcoholic's
hangovers, call in sick at work for them, buy them bottles, hold their head
while they vomit, and pretend that they are not really an alcoholic, they
are only _____...

  Then there are the others, who take the bigger risk, and show the tough
love the alcoholic really needs to get unstuck.
  These folks are usually not so popular with the alcoholic or the
enablers, at first...
  *********

  I expect I will get flamed for this post... and facing full into the
mirror of me that is you, I have to say, the Empress has no clothes on.
Spades are spades.

  I have spent lots of time pondering this stuff that has gone down between
thee and me, G., and the heap of list reactions, posted and private. I have
so far written about 45k of my thoughts and feelings, pondering with the
heart for meaning.
  Examining my history of this life and previous. Looking at mirrors.
Checking polarities. Spent all weekend writing, and sitting on my writing,
contemplating.
  Some of it I will put into other posts.
  *********

  You wrote:
>> What is life without direct heart to heart, blood to blood,
>> conversation. My husband and I have a saying...'you can say anyting to
>> anyone provided it is said with love.' I stand on that concept, so do
>> believe me... disagreement, or the clash of fires doesn't upset me in
>> the least.

  Thankyou for giving me permission to honestly tell you and the list what
I am seeing, and how I feel about it. Speaking from Love, as best as I am
able at my present stage of evolution.
  *********
  What surprised me the most is that judging from my personal mail, *far*
more folks have written to you, Gloria, over the months to ask you to snip
posts and send direct responses direct than I had *ever* guessed. Mostly
they got snubbed, they tell me.
  Which I must say, looks a lot different from where I sit than what you
have suggested:

>There were some thoughts about how I returned the
>mail...I had several posts then from people asking me why I don't just
>use the quotes and was I retarded or just illiterate.
*and***
>I have no
>problem cutting the posts, I had just been told no(t) to before. Gloria
>
  So who is telling the truth, Gloria?
 You or the many folks who have written to me?
 There is some self image stuff at work here.....

  Acting without thought and acting thoughtlessly are different things.
  Perhaps as you say you are simply a bubblehead lost in the clouds, and we
need to forgive you and give you a small child's patience, and so we will.
 ...but I'd guess to most members the constant irritant of your poor
nettiquite has appeared more thoughtless=inconsiderate than inspired. So it
goes...

  Thankyou for the yellow stick note reminding you to snip!!!!! That makes
me so very happy.
  Can you put another beside it reminding you to check the addresses before
queueing and send more responses direct rather than to the list?
  I don't mind if you don't snip private responses.
  If you need a bit more motivation, I have also had a surprising number of
members writing to tell me they got so impatient with you they stopped
reading your posts entirely. One person even said that the reason they
prefer the regular list to the digest is because they can skip your posts
easier.
 Thought ya might wanna know.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Lotsa folks wrote to me and said to humor you, that I should be humble
and apologise although I had done nothing, to keep the peace, and because I
am so much "stronger" than you. I don't think you need me to do that, do you?
  It's patronizing nonsense. Martyrs serve no-one. Enablers keep people stuck.
 I believe you are strong enough to handle what I will say...
  Nonetheless, I do humbly apologise if I am acting in error with this post.

  You sent me a private post by "accident" the other day.
  We know, there are no accidents.

> The ability to move with divine will comes through no thought, just
>moving with the high frequency of the Holy Spirit. When you do this, and
>you can only do it through the heart center and love, everything just
>is, NO RIGHT OR WRONG. On this level it doesn't matter what is coming
>down because there is only the flow and there is no connecton to the
>five senses because you live in the pure stream of divine will. YOU
>DON'T TAKE CREDIT OR BLAME IN THIS MOVEMENT, BECAUSE IT IS JUST WHAT
>SPIRIT IS SETTING UP.

   Spirit set you up, my dear.
   I kept asking Goddess why I had been sent this post by your unconscous,
what I was supposed to do with it? She kept saying "wait":
  So I waited and watched, and you gave me the answers:

>... in order to recognize what in the
>self maintains the illusion, one must enter into duality to observe the
>separate self maintaining the illusion.
> It is only a stage but a difficult one to get through if you believe
>yourself be a body with a mind, and an identity of self to hold the
>package together.Once the undoing starts it is only a matter of time
>however that enough of the illusion is adjusted to erase the cause so
>that the effect disappears.
  *and*
>Good you got my point, it is when the positive and netative energies go
>to work in the dance that spirit can work most effectively provided
>souls are developed enough to ride it and remain detached. This is what
>is missing in the world frequency. It is not about being right or wrong,
>since there really is no such thing, it is about staying in the flow and
>allowing the essence to manifest once the illusion has been recognized
>and still keeping a consistance in energy flow.
>
>This is how undoing comes about, life is ot so much about doing as it is
>about undoing. I tend to bring the 'undoing in very strong because I
>live inside the movement of Divine Will.' Those who I've worked with for
>a long time understand the energy and move with it which keeps the
>transformational love frequency at its high point. It then ripples out
>in every direction. And, this isn't about any system of spiritual
>awareness, it s about connecting into God's Will for humanity and
>surrendering to its total light, love and power.

  In Love, I believe Goddess and your Unconscious sent it to me for your
"undoing".
  A cry for help. I will assist this reintegration as best as I am able.
  Thus, on this one occasion, and because of your own statements about
Divine will, I feel that I am being guided to break my own rule about not
reposting private mail to the list.
  What you wrote to the list in response to my "Re: Out-of-body
experiences/ Demons!." post was:

>Mystress,
> Don't you think you are getting carried away a bit with your reactions.
>Why is this personal? Gloria

  The other post, that you sent "accidentally" to me one minute earlier,
your private thoughts to another person about it show a very different face.
  I wish I could say it was the first time I had seen that other face of
yours, but it is not. It is likely the first time other members see this
side of you, and I am sorry to break illusions, but is that not what they
are for, to be broken?
  Do you agree?
  Posts you have written to others saying unkind things about me have found
their way into my mailbox before this one. (ouch):

>
>Here's where the lasest demon is coming in from. This witch does throw a
>punch since I've been getting her quite regularly since before I left
>for Boise. At this point I am not entering into dialogue with her
>directly, I'm going to sit back and watch her. I'm really bugging her
>big time. Hopefully some of the folks on the list are going to see what
>these vibes are, and recognize it is not going with love at all.
>
>She acts so all fired sure of what she is doing and she hasnt got a
>clue. I'm sure she has got some pretty strong lssons coming down since
>this morning I answered her projection with 'return to sender...address
>unknown'...and she is right the mirror went up. She has been working on
>me day and night, not a good idea.
>
>She is trying to get me off the list, she is the host of the list which
>is interesting, this isn't the way to do it.I would have her coming into
>my space all the time.So I'm going to ride the wave and see what spirit
>is up to. And, worse yet I'm giving her love and telling her to open her
>eyes before it is to late. She doesn't like that a bit.
>
>Gloria
>
>Larry, I'm sure she has had a lot to do with my computer doing wierd
>stuff.I wasn't going to answer her but I think I will send her just a
>few words.
>

  Not very pretty, is it? Your clay feet are showing, your holiness...
  Pretty cold stuff.
  You didn't send me anything else until the next day when I responded to
it and you found out I had seen it.
  Since then you've been Dancing as fast as you can. Reassuring the Members
that

>Mystress and I are talking so it is really in God's hands.
 
  And to your credit, the dancing has produced some *very* refreshing and
insightful posts on your part. Some responses better sent direct... but...
one thing at a time!!!
  ******

  What really got me, was you accused me of trying to throw you off the
list, and I responded that I valued your input counselling K. awakened
Christians on the list.
  Obviously, with my admitted predjudices, I'm not going to be able to fill
those shoes if you leave.
 
  *Then* to the List you wrote:
>NOTE:
>I DON'T KNOW THAT I WILL STAY ON THE LIST, IT VERY WELL MAYBE THAT WHAT
>I BRING IN DOESN'T FIT WITH THE INTENTIONS THAT MYSTRESS HAS FOR THE
>LIST.

  Maybe I'm an incorrigible cynic, but it is quite clear to me you publicly
threatened to leave the list just to provoke some "oh no please don't go"
drama.
  Predictable as rain, a sure fire way to get attention every time.
  Dan G. did a good dance with that drama the first time he left the list.
I have seen it over and over, and I am sure you have, too.
  Take my ball and go home stuff. Ya know?
  It worked really really well.
  And I have to say, seeing you emotionally manipulate members to feed your
ego made me sad. I think that it really sucks. Was your energy really so
low you needed to do that?

  What I see as the reason behind these contradictions in your expression,
is someone who is compromising herself and her values because of the
pressure of IMAGE.
  You have a love and light, Saint Gloria IMAGE to yourself and on the list
that you are finding yourself having to lie and be manipulative in order to
maintain. IMHO.
  It is a kind of prison, isn't it?
  Today, I smash your prison, and free you from this false Saintly IMAGE so
that you may express the fullness of your Tao to us, and we might be
enriched by your darkness as well as your light in future. As you say:

>Whenever negative energy
>and this love frequency come together it is just a matter of keeping the
>focus and awareness that is at work until the fruit begins to appear.
*and*
>It is so true, you can look around and find someone who is out of
>balance in any number of areas. Not directly confronting the shadow is
>being in total denial of the process of death of self.
   
  Here are the shadows you have tried to deny. It is truly my hope that in
exposing these shadows to the list, you can, with the support of us all,
integrate them and KILL off the false illusion of self that I am calling
Saint Gloria.
  Find balance and wholeness again.
  You share so much of your love with us...
  ************

  I have observed in my life, that people for whom I feel a strong
antipathy towards before I know them well, these are often people who
become fast friends, once we have by the antagonism/expression of our
antipathy, gotten to know each other better.
  We discover that the antipathy was the mirror of too much simularity.
  I hope and suspect that that is true of us, and the odd ways we have been
bouncing off each other all along. I love you. Gloria. Don't run away.
Friends?

  Whew, what a huge post.. I wonder if anyone will bother to read the whole
thing?
 Love, Blessings, List Mystress Angelique Serpent.

   (...uh...angelic serpent... could it be ... SATAN??? Thank you, church
lady...no, not really...)
  Coming up next: List Mystress' own IMAGE Prison....KA-BOOOOOMMM!
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:04:22
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: List Mystress IMAGE Prison....KA-BOOOOOMMM!
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  I have observed in my life, that people for whom I feel a strong
antipathy towards before I know them well, these are often people who
become fast friends, once we have by the antagonism/expression of our
antipathy, gotten to know each other better.
  We discover that the antipathy was the mirror of too much simularity.
  I hope and suspect that that is true of us, and the odd ways we have been
bouncing off each other all along. I love you. Gloria. Don't run away.
Friends?
     **************

  Having blown your image-prison, and having taken a few fat pokes at my
own image already, I am ready with the Dynamite to destroy MY IMAGE prison,
too.
  (Doubtless I will get some responses to these posts that will be mortars
fired at it, anyway...)
  
  First, some self pitying whining:

   List Mystress is not an easy job.
  I feel like I am expected to play my list Mystress role as unemotional as
a grey alien, blind as justice. If my cute little grey alien buddy was
around often enough to take over the job, I might. Grey aliens don't have
feelings to be hurt. Mine have been taking a stomping lately.
  This job was not ever made any easier by the storm of opposition I
recieved when I announced my intent to take over the list, it is not ever
made any easier knowing there are folks who are just waiting like circling
vultures for me to fail.
  Almost every comment that I have ever made as List Mystress, someone has
posted to the list about how I am in error, that the feelings expressed (if
any) are inappropriate.
  Comments I have made as a member, not owner, have been judged as
inappropriate for List Mystress. Comments I have made in private mail have
been reposted to the list, apparently because List Mystress is not allowed
private opinions.
  Pick, pick, pick... my thoughts mouldering in my outbox as I ponder if I
dare send them anywhere near K. list.
  I miss the freedom I felt to speak my mind on this list I once had. The
prison.
  Yes, okay, the prison is in my own mind only, composed of an image I feel
I need to maintain... List Mystress the Divinely Neutral Enlightened Being..
  (Planting the fuses...)

    Call me an egocentric narcissistic bitch, who needs to be right all the
time, ..if you want to.... I call myself that sometimes...

  ...but being criticized as often as I have been when I am doing my best
and dancing as fast as I can is deflating. Not that I don't get warm
fuzzies, too.. lots of 'em.
  But ya know how it is that we notice detractors more???
  Beccause they are dangerous to our sense of self?

  I was told by so many Members in the Beginning that my personal life and
work made me an unfit List Mystress, I find myself posting my personal
stuff on other lists. Gradually withdrawing into Richard Satin's
silence, understanding the reasons for it more fully each day. I feel it,
and it grieves me. I retreat into my tower so that I won't do or say
anything that will validate my detractors negative opinions of me..
  That is the essence of my IMAGE prison.
  (planting the dynamite)
  Shut my mouth and hide my feelings and try to take an impossibly neutral
stance while my real feelings are leaking out all over anyway, making a
mess, because I am worried some weenie will say "I told you so.... don't
let a hyper-opinionated Dominant Hedonist Fetish Witch take over, whatever
will people think??? Waaaa! There she goes spewing her distasteful personal
feeeeelings again!"
   RRRRAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH. Chomp!
  (lighting the fuse...)
  Weenies belong impaled on sharp sticks over red hot coals.

  Some members, to my vast gratitude have noticed the increasingly
impersonal tone of my posts, and have written to me privately that they
miss the sharing of my old style.

 kA-BOOOOOMMM!
 SOUND OF RUBBLE FALLING OVER A WIDE AREA.
 DUST SETTLES.
 GRADUALLY THE BIRDS RESUME THEIR SONG.

  So, in case anybody doesn't know it yet, Kundalini List is owned and
maintained by a hyper-opinionated arrogant Hedonist Vampire Fetish Witch, a
truly narcissistic self absorbed sadistic carnivorous Bitch Dominatrix,
with a certain amount of buried anger towards Christians (on account of
having been burned at the stake by them and variously persecuted in some
past lifetimes for being a healer...ya ya I know...get over it)...who
thinks she is a Goddess and needs to be right all the time. (ME!! ME ME ME
ME!!!!!)

  And not surprisingly, once in a while she acts like it.
  Not too often, tho, don't be scared, because in her arrogance and pride
she imagines herself to be a creature of white light, goodness,
consensuality, diplomacy, peace love wisdom and blessings, most of the
time, and she is too attatched to that idea to blow it with temper tantrums
and abuse. Usually.
 
  The result of this is, no more "Ref calls", no more holding back because
of somebody's opinion of what role I ought to be expressing. If I don't
like what I read...or if I do... I'll say so without struggling for days to
remove personal opinions that are not really removable.

  Hmmmm. I am not sure if I have blown up my image or just manifested a
different one.

 Love, Blessings, List Mystress Angelique Serpent.

   (.....angelic serpent?... could it be ... SATAN???
    Thank you, church lady...no, not really...)

    If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
 Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:40:54 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net
Cc: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>, maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>,
 kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
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At 01:25 AM 5/12/97 -0400, Dolce Vita wrote:

>I did not mean to put down "all medical drugs" I meant "psychiatric
>drugs."

Dear Lissette,

I know you didn't mean to put down ligitimate medically required drugs.

>I am all for regression, hypnotism, therapy, counseling.

I am in complete agreement.

>But when it comes to electroshocks,and their most recent
>drug discoveries, in my opinion, we should look for other
>alternatives...

There are a few people who are in psychotic depression who do not respond to
any kind of treatment, including the best drugs. For these few,
eletroconvulsive treatment is often effective. ECT as performed these days
is not the barbaric treatment of the movies. It is much refined, less
damaging, fewer side effects.
ECT is a treatment of last resort.

The difference between thyroid enhancement,
estrogen or progesterone enhancement,
serotonin enhancement,
dopamine enhancement,
is primarily that these are different neurohumoral systems.

In principle, they seem equivalent.

Surely dopamine enhancement for a Parkinson patient is good.
 This affects the A9 dopamine circuits.
Then why not dopamine enhancement for certain depressed individuals?
 This affects the A10 dopamine circuits.
etc. etc. etc.

Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:49:44 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net
Cc: Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>,
 Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
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At 02:35 AM 5/12/97 -0400, Dolce Vita wrote:

Dear Lissette,

>I have done research myself on it too.

What is your personal experience with antidepressants?

Ken
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 04:50:17 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:Prozac and Mystress Angelique
Message-ID: <33782B49.5C92ATnospammail.snet.net>

Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:

> His feelings about this relationship in his own words:
>
> >It feels good! i feel owned, cared for, loved, appreciated,
> >possesssed. i feel more intensely now that i have become the slave i
> wished to
> >become and am privileged to serve the Mistress whom i was meant to serve and
> >am the property i was meant to be.
> >
> >i not only like, desire, or wish to feel that i am owned. i wish to be owned.
> >i love being owned by You. It is not only desire but necessity. i am only
> able
> >to fuction freely and be happy within the context of being under contract,
> >within the confines of a committed relatioship. What can be more committed
> >thanbeing a slave owned by an appreciative, powerful Mistress Who has the
> >means to enforce Her dominion over me as well as maintain Her control and
> >ownership. i fantasized that i could be happy only under such circumstances.
> >Now i know that i m deliriously happy being a slave tightly controlled,
> >expertly trained, sensitivly handled by an appreciative and possesive
> >Mistress.

A non-drug alternative to Prozac perhaps?
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:21:04 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Image Prison
Message-ID: <19970513.082104.13566.18.imtgATnospamjuno.com>

Angelique said....<< The result of this is, no more "Ref calls", no more
holding back because of somebody's opinion of what role I ought to be
expressing. If I don't
like what I read...or if I do... I'll say so without struggling for days
to
remove personal opinions that are not really removable.

Angelique! Here! Here! So happy to hear this! you go for it girl.....
we are who we are and we aren't here to deny who we are anymore. Through
many of yours & others postings, I have become stronger in my own life.
I see that it can be done through honesty AND love. Not attacking -
merely stating your truth. And if others have a problem with it, so be
it - that is their problem. Thank you for helping me through that. I've
spent years acting like I thought the *spiritual* person should act,
only to come to realize that I was being such a martyr! Many things you
have posted have been my thoughts exactly but I was way too *nice* to say
these things. Nice sucks. I think it was Opra Winfrey who said that her
hubby told her, when describing her, that she was always kind to people,
but she definitely was never nice!

Gloria to Angelique << I tend to bring the 'undoing in very strong
because I
>live inside the movement of Divine Will.'
Angelique to Gloria << In Love, I believe Goddess and your Unconscious
sent it to me for your "undoing".

I doubt that anyone or anything sent it to you for the others 'undoing'.
You are here to learn your lessons. She is here to learn her lessons. I
am here to learn my lessons. No one is here to teach anyone else
lessons. Which makes it oh so much easier!

Kindly Closing,
xxxtg

"WARNING TO ALL PERSONNEL: Firings will continue until morale improves"

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