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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 12:13:35 -0500
From: Richard Satin 

What did you think this post was about when you read the subject tag?  If
you had a quick thought of indulgence, or lust, or some sort of
unwholesomeness, than there's a good chance that you've been influenced by
the dominant Western spiritual paradigm.

For 2000 years, much of the world has been operating under the idea that
there is a complete split between the body and the soul or spirit of man.
Most modern scientists up to a few years ago would say that the body is all
that we are - and that the soul is unprovable and hence irrelevant.
Christian leaders and teachers believed that the body was the root and
birthplace of sin or evil; and that the spirit - completely distinct and
superior, was the real essence of man though shackled to the flesh.  True
spirituality therefore meant harsh treatment for the body.  Only when it was
controlled and subdued could one find peace and joy.

The basis, if not the original source of this destructive view can be found
in the New Testament, in passages such as the following:

"The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"

"You must crucify the flesh with its affections/passions and lusts"

"It is better to marry than to burn (with lust)"

"I see two laws at work in my members."

(It's been a long time since I was in seminary, so forgive me if the
passages are not word perfect.  The essence of each is correct.)

It was not a very far leap from the notion that the body was simply a tool
to the idea that all of creation was also.

In contrast to this fearful and destructive mindset, some find it more
useful to look at the body as a four-fold entity.  The physical body is
joined with a mental body, an emotional body and an ethereal one.  All are
real, and all are completely part of us.  Instead of seeing myself for
example, as shackled to a physical vehicle (and thereby creating an
artificial rending or breaking inside me), I look at myself as a physical
being, as well as an emotional, mental, and spiritual one.  We (all the
parts) are connected, and operate together in unison.  Even this fourfold
division is simply an intellectual model to aid understanding.  There really
isn't and can never be conflict.

Rather than evil, my body is a great blessing.  Times of pain and suffering
in the flesh are experiences which have been given to expand awareness.
Like it or not, we grow through pain as well as joy.  There is an old
teaching that says that the souls desiring to leave the wheel choose paths
of difficulty.  Is it true?  I don't know.  But it gives me comfort, and
helps me to remember when the going gets a bit rough.

So what is this physical body?  Maybe it is the embodiement of the highest
part of us.  Decay then could be a reminder of the cyclical nature of all of
life.  Abilities rising and fading, but not eradicating the fact that we and
our bodies are one.

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:40:35 +0000
From: Patti

Your comments on FLESH made me smile.
For years I have been teaching in the areas of sensuality, relationship, and
communication, for they are all very interconnected. As I have said earlier
somewhere, we practice the art of extended orgasm from a Tantric approach.
Lots of people want to learn how to create the physical effects of the
extended orgasm.

The older I get and the more we do this teaching, the more we focus on the 4
bodies: Mind, body, spirit, and emotion. Even though there is a physical
component, what people want more than a one-hour orgasm is to be made love
to. That is actually what they want the most. They want someone else to
reach in there all the way. That way they go the highest of all.

So our teaching is  getting less and less empphasis on the physical and more
and more on the whole being, with great results. The sense of play, of
trust, of connectedness, of soaring, will create the desired results more
readily than just physical technique. We really do show people how to open
"all 4 channels" of  connection. WHat a joy to spread this type of message
out into the world.

Love to all, Patti

Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 05:46:43 -0500
From: Richard Satin 

Dear Listmembers,

I would like to apologise to any who were offended by my post yesterday.  In
responding to something posted earlier, I stated my case a bit too

I don't necessary think that suffering in the body is a good thing; nor
profess to understand the causes or reasons for it.

I am not anti-Christian, only that part of it which longs to dominate and
convert the world to its own belief structure.


Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:11:12 -0400
From: Jai

Lovely--I was so pleased to see the word and the paragraphs. I have gotten
into endless arguements with folks when I say that institutionalised
Christianity is all about the denial of the flesh. I am always astounded at
how many people don't see this.

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