kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 284
1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Peter Norton
Subject: Re: Countdown to Apocalypse
why do people take their hallucinations so seriously?
will they post again after the predictions fail to come true?
or will they find some snippet in the news to justify the
fulfillment of their predictions?
This kind of thing happens so often, with the Moonies, with
the Hare Krishnas, with the Seventh Day Adventists, etc etc
you would think people would smarten up a little after all that,
but it seems these mystical auditions are so overwhelming and
different when they are experienced, that we have to believe they
are the literal truth, rather than just another level of dreaming.
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oh well... happens to me too sometimes...
When Hale Bopp has come and gone with no big deal, I hope brother
Antaris will reassure us of another imminent arrival so we can
maintain the appropriate excitement of anticipation. But, maybe
I am just choosing to be in a parallel universe where Hale Bopp
is just another dirty snowball? Maybe it is really Santa Claus?
what is not forbidden, is mandatory.
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anyway, excuse my ranting.
This week, I plan to forget all predictions of apocalypse
and meditate on the blissful smile of a baby lying in a manger
under a sweetly smelling tree and a brightly glowing star.
cheers
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2 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Peter Norton
Subject: psi, PEAR, and Randi
hi y'all, got a reply from PEAR on the Randi prize,
more evidence that orthogonal paradigms do not commute:
Brenda Dunne wrote:
> Peter Norton wrote:
> >On behalf of a newslist group interested in psi phenomena,
> >may I ask you all a question?
> >
> >Have you considered presenting your evidence of psi to the groups
> >offering rewards for 'scientifically demonstrable' evidence?
> >
> >If so, what happened? If not, why not?
> >
> >The groups I am aware of are:
> >
> >The first is an Australia group offering A$30,000 for a show of psychic
> >ability.
> >
> >The web site is: http://www.skeptics.com.au/chalenge.htm
> >
> >The second has a bit more to offer. The "prize" is now $1,073,000
> >(USD).
> >This is the "James Randi Educational Foundation".
> >
> >The web site is: http://www.randi.org/jr/chall.html
> >
> >Thanks for any info you may have.
> >
> >p.s. kudos on your website! It is very interesting and seems to
> >be the way to go for accumulating hardcore evidence. Do any
> >experiments lend themselves to individual use on a computer? i.e.
> >is there a shareware lab software experimenter's package available
> >to collect statistics etc?
> >
> >thanks very much
> >
>
> Dear Peter Norton,
>
> Thank you for your kind comments on our research program and website. Yes,
> we are aware of the " the groups
> offering rewards for 'scientifically demonstrable' evidence?", but have no
> interest in interacting with them. Our purpose is to try to learn
> something, not to convince skeptics, and engaging in time- and
> energy-consuming debates with folks who are already persuaded that they have
> the answers is not a cost-effective use of our program resources.
>
> All of our human/machine experiments involve random elements based on fairly
> sophisticated technology that require substantial investments of time and
> effort for calibration, operation, and data processing. None of them lend
> themselves to casual individual use, and we are not seeking to expand our
> data collection more broadly at this time. However, there is a company in
> Minnesota called "Pear, Inc." that is developing a line of games based on
> some of our research findings. You can contact them at for
> further information.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brenda Dunne
> PEAR Laboratory Manager
>
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3 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Eagle
Subject: Re: Ear noises
Dorman, Robert wrote:
>
> Eagle wrote:
> >
> > HELP!!
> >
> > Hi All.
> >
> > I am reading about energy and dreams and ....
> >
> > snip
> > For the past 2 or 3 days (time has become a blur) I have had the
> > strangest thing going on. Noises in the ear. They are extremely
> > difficult to describe. Not ringing, or tones. Those I am familiar
> > with. And with those it is easy. Jsut sit and listen to the message
> > and in a few seconds the tone or ring stops, and then a little later I
> > get a message translated to English. This is different.
> >
> > This sounds like wings, but not wings. like drums, but not drums.
> > like Morse code, but I cant seem to make it out at all.
> >
> First of all, I am not a doctor and do not presume to give medical
> advice.
> I would suggest seeing an audiologist or ear doctor if you are concerned
> that this may be a medical condition.
>
> OK, now my ass is covered as far as the AMA, FDIC, and the rest of our
> alphabet-soup government is concerned;)
>
> I have beed diagnosed with "migrane visual aura." Its symptoms are
> similar to a detached retina. Bright strobing zig-zag crescent-shaped
> light that makes it impossible to see certain regions in my field of
> vision. Its just as if I had been blinded by a bright light and suffered
> a temporary retinal burn--in fact, that is what I thought it originally
> was. It only occurs at night, usually when I am driving, and lasts up
> to several hours. The eye doctor checked my eyes, said they were OK,
> and that the problem was not in the optic nerve or eye, but in the
> brain.
>
> Now, if it can happen with abnormal visual phenomena, it seems to me
> that it can happen with audio as well. Possibly, the same procedures
> (discussed here on the list awhile back) for dealing with migranes might
> be tried for your problem. I have also heard that drinking large
> quantities (well, say 3 glasses or so) of water at the onset of a
> migrane can reduce its intensity, so you could try that. Other
> approaches might be experimenting with accupressure.
>
> I don't understand why my condition is considered a "migrane" condition
> since I don't have the severe headaches, but that's the "medical"
> diagnosis. I was told that it could turn into a regular migrane headache
> condition, there was no cure, and I could be given medication to help
> ease the pain. Maybe this might apply to you as well.
>
> Bottom line? Try non-medical approaches used commonly for migrane
> headaches and see an ear doctor to be on the safe side. You might have
> something clunking around in your inner ear that could drive you NUTS :(
> Good luck.
> --Bob
Hi Bob
Thanks for your wonderful and thoughtful response. I look forward to
the day when I can watch as the alphabet soup who calls itself a
government is dismantled. With love. G.
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As to the migraines, I occasionally suffer greatly from migraines. Have
since I was 13 and involved in an accident. I have managed to reduce
the time of pain and illness from days to less than 12 hours from onset
to full recovery. Mostly due to change of diet and habits and my own
spiritual awareness.
I am too intensley sensitive to take any medications. I haven't taken
any pain medication in over two years now. I have found that the best
thing to do, if I catch the migraine before it is full blown, is minerals
- liquid cal/mag/boron, and Essential oils. And some extra sleep. For me
personally, these stop the pain before I reach the level of being
completely incapacitated, as was previously the case.
As to the migraine around your eyes, you might try the essential oil of
Helichrysm, or Frankinsence.
I have checked in with my own body, and there is no sense of illness in
and around the ears and I used some oils just to make sure . Just
the noises. They are less intense and frequent this morning.
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After I wrote the mail yesterday, I got a call from a friend, and the
message he delivered was wonderful! And the noises subsided a great deal
almost immediately. This morning, there has only been two sequences
since I awoke around 7AM.
Thank you all for your messages of love and support.
Blessings of Love and Light
Sybil Soaring Eagle
May the Spirit of Love
that surrounds us at Christmas
fill your heart
and shed its light over the New Year
--
"A friend loves you for your intelligence,
a mistress for your charm,
but your family's love is unreasoning;
you were born into it
and are of its flesh and blood.
Nevertheless it can irritate you more
than any group of people in the world."
-- AndreATNOSPAM Marois
4 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re; Chac Mool
Hi Dan:
-This was very interesting to me, especially the bit about the jagged
bottomless black rent in the fabric of space.
For the last few months I've been getting the same kind of thing as
channelled info. The rent is across space which is also vision and hence the
"blindness" of the 3rd eye in this dimension-----If we open the 3rd eye we go
beyond space----but before that we need to go beyond time which is also
intimately tied into the sound medium.
The milky way is actually made up according to this channelled info of
standing sound waves----in mythology it is the churning of the waves to make
milk---in it's various forms. If you look at a good map of the zodiac you
can see this rent around the areas of the constellations of Cygnus, the Lyre
and Aquila----so mending this rent also affects them.
Aquila is probably the Phoenix---if you look , it is carrying a burning nest
on it's right wing/talon. The phoenix legends are probably related to
mending this rent also.
the info I have got is all about us coming together to mend the rent
intime/space----Since this is supposed to be the time of the earth's
ascension ,and we have all this talk of space ships and so on----who knows it
could all be related.
Love Jule
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5 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Voices
actually just one voice.
I was doing a pre-sleep meditation, and when in a particularly energized,
near sleep state heard a voice.
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It was a very plesant voice of a woman who said only my name. It was
extrodinarily clear and sounded great, like the person was inside my left
ear.
My mother had metioned to me that she hears a man's voice sometimes, and it
wakes her from sleep.
I've read somewhere long ago what this means, but can't find what book it
was. I assume it's the first steps to recieving messages from spirit guides
or something. Can anybody shed some light for me? I'm male, is their a
reason the voice is femail? How do I help encourage the communications?
Will this only happen around the equinoxes? Also is their a difference in
the sounds you hear in the left and right ear, I normally only hear nadis
sounds in my right ear.
taking it as a good sign
Happy Holidays
Aaron
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6 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Tim Duna
Subject: Re: lonilness & Oz
At 01:58 PM 12/20/96 +0200, you wrote:
> Hi Tim
>
> Do you know some techniques with which these guides can actually
>become visible to you? Or maybe to make a verbal (two way) communication
>with them? Or anything else away from the slippery field of thoughts.
>Because thougths are the main deceivers in ones life.
> Anyone else knows anything about it?
> B.
Well, if you aren't readily perceiving them psychically, there are
other ways. They do indeed impress thoughts upon your mind, many times
these are mistaken as coming from ourselves. In "Messages to Our Family",
Mary talks of how anyone can channel information from her, Jesus and the
Brotherhood of God. She explains that a simple calming of the mind through
meditation, asking specifically who you wish to talk to and no others, and
asking for divine protection are all that you need to do. Then write down
your thoughts as they come to you. She explains that they impress a thought
which comes out in your own words, so can seem like you're not channeling
but just thinking. Listening carefully, you will see a pattern of those
thoughts having a certain tone to them, a feel. It is this feel that is
their thought impression.
- Even though some aren't 'psychic' the body can pick up stuff, but is
normally ignored as being 'normal' things. The body senses changes in the
astral environment, but when it's loved divinely by guides, we only
translate it as 'feeling better', or 'glowing' or 'being energized'. Why do
people feel better when the sun comes out in spring after a long, near
sunless winter? There is indeed an energetic base to this, but people as a
whole only define it as the 'winter blues', a psychological phenomenon.
Dreams are another way of communication that is easily available to
everyone. People can request dreams on anything that they wish for.
Insights, meeting guides, healing, etc. All you need to do is request it as
you are going to sleep, the last thing you think about upon sleeping is what
you will dream about. Turn your bed to a north/south direction and sleep
with your head facing north, you'll have better dream recall. This is
because of the electromagnetic make-up of your body/energy and the earth.
Keeping a dream journal by the bed will help aid you in remembering your
dreams, some use a tape recorder for this. I'm going to send you the astral
space claim text that I posted a while back here. I think you'd find it
useful, it'll make your astral environment much more relaxing and clean and
it'll take away any worry of spirit communication, as this closes off the
space to just anyone, only those that are there for your highest good.
Tim
7 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96
From: terry.mccombsATNOSPAMthe-matrix.com (TERRY MCCOMBS)
Subject: Countdown to Apocalypse
To quite Peter Norton
-> why do people take their hallucinations so seriously?
-> will they post again after the predictions fail to come true?
-> or will they find some snippet in the news to justify the
-> fulfillment of their predictions?
->
-> This kind of thing happens so often, with the Moonies, with
-> the Hare Krishnas, with the Seventh Day Adventists, etc etc
->
-> you would think people would smarten up a little after all that,
And then
-> This week, I plan to forget all predictions of apocalypse
-> and meditate on the blissful smile of a baby lying in a manger
-> under a sweetly smelling tree and a brightly glowing star.
- Note. Don't you think it's rude to whine about other people's myths
and then do the very same thing with your pet myth?
8 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996
From: Lobster
Subject: Re: Countdown to Apocalypse
Hi Peter,
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Peter Norton wrote:
> why do people take their hallucinations so seriously?
People do not differentiate between reality and hallucination. I also do
not see why they should. Most so called reality is just social
concensus.
Antaris is benign. There are a lot of dangerous realists out there . . .
-
> will they post again after the predictions fail to come true?
Of course they will. The Jehovah Witnesses are not dissuaded by the fact
that they can not predict the end of the World. Which would seem to mean
that their other interpretations could also be a little out of line . .
.
> This kind of thing happens so often, with the Moonies, with
> the Hare Krishnas, with the Seventh Day Adventists, etc etc
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Most people believe in Astrology and yet it has NEVER EVER predicted
anything of any value.
Nostradamus the famous seer predicted Hitler (or Hisler)? In fact the
quatrain had been shown to predict a battle around the river Hisler in
Germany. When Hitler came along it obviously(?) referred to him.
It is possible for people to remote view (even through time) and good
luck to those with this capacity . . .
We change our destiny and we change the future pathways open to us . . .
All the pathways are travelled but we travel (experience) only one and
this is the one of our choice . . .
Kindest Regards
Lobster
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9 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996
From: E Jason
Subject: Enlightened people?
Hi,
Wonder if the following is true . . .
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You are not enlightened
You do not know how an enlightened person will behave
Therefore in all humility I ask how can you research something of which
you know not?
The truth is the enlightened study you
When YOU show the capacity to learn "The Master" who was always there
appears.
- Most Kind Regards
Lobster
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Web Site http://dspace.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
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10 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Aleyiaha Anonatuk
Subject: Teachers ect
I have lost the post that from the person who had asked me several questions
about my background, teachers, ect.
I really don't have a teacher, they all had those damn clay feet.:-)
But I read a lot Alice Bailey, belonged to her university, Blatvasky,
Ouspensky, Gurjeff, all of that disciple stuff. Then I move into quantum
physics till my brain rebelled :-) and I followed the Tao of POOH I love it.
Then I did all the new age stuff but through out it all I painted and
learned to see into things. I think that is how I began to understand the
inner aspects of things.
If I wanted to paint a tree I would begin to look at the tree till my
imagination took over and and I could begin to see the deeper aspects I got
so good at this I could look at my dogs or people I was doing Reiki on and
see inside their bodies. It was only a short step to seeing other things,
but the big part of it is that you have to allow the imagination free reign
you can say OH! I just imagined that but you have to allow it to be it, at
some point I always found that my journey would begin on it's own and
suddenly IT would there in my mind before I had had a chance to think of it
Then I knew the vision or the OBE had truly begun and I slip into the moment
and allow. There are many times when my rational mind could have said OH!
for God's don't be stupid, but I wouldn't letit. The idea is the surrender
into the moment now I know or perceive the differences but still my tool is
always the imagination. I hope I help I'll be glad to answer further
questions Aley
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11 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Tim Duna
Subject: Re: Countdown to Apocalypse
From what I understand of the so-called 'endtimes' is that it is a
new beginning. That nobody truly knows what will be happening, and that
some disasters will be happening as the earth itself clears it's own
consciousness, does it's own inner healing. The people of earth are said to
be able to make the changes easier by meditating upon the earth releasing in
divine love, that all the people of the earth heal and release in divine
love. That our mass consciousness is what is needing cleaning from the earth.
However, if a new world and new way is going to come out of the old,
I think it is very likely a great deal of the old must go, and thus, many
people as well. It seems appropiate for the new way to start out with a
few, we all know how too many can spoil a good thing, and this is with
anything.
I have heard that different areas of the earth will be having
disasters at different times and that no place will be left untouched. That
we will have to keep moving to 'safe zones' at least for that moment in
order to survive. That thse places where we need to be will be revealed to
us through spirit, and so it is essential for our survival to seek within
for our identity and ideas about whatever higher power we believe in.
So, I seek within for true information about the coming changes, not
trusting really anything outwardly spoken of on the earth changes. Some are
way out there and false, and others feel more right on, but things change
and the predictions don't come true. It is within that we can be up to date
in my opinion. I already have had a dream of where I will be needing to go
and plan on going there (so far) when the time is right. I was also shown
the reality of certain family members not making it, and have been given
time to get adjusted to that reality, at least a reality as far as I know,
things could change. Being spiritual in these times can be a very real
sacrifice, we must deal with things on many levels, more so than in other
times IMO.
-
Tim
12 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Teachers ect
You are correct.. everything in life is like the energy of the atom
and its happy little orbit.ers..
Think into the smallest space and it is also the same atoms.. Like
Dna All is energy and the human mind can work with it thru Creative
Thinking (imagination, if you like). then think into the largest
space beyond all finite human thoughts.. Release the limited thinking
that we were programed for..
And Everything is possible. (warm thoughts of Carl Segan and his
unlimited boundries)
All these rich words to express spirituality that you mentioned only
catagorizes and limits the thinking.
Words are only symbols of expressing what we cannot express.
flute
Carolyn Maloney
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13 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Mary Knapp
Subject: Re: Cosmic Loneliness
>
>>
>>How you "find it out" and whether or not you create it are two different
>>things.
>>Yes, of course it is real, but, no one other than you chose it, don't you
>>think? Chose it before time began perhaps, but chose it nonetheless. IMHO
>>and in my experience.
>>
>>Mary
>
>
> Agreed, I was thinking that you were referring to the chocie being
>on a waking mind and only waking mind level.
>
Eventually it is ALL on a waking mind level...if we can handle it. If not,
the glimpses can be quite affirming, comforting, etc.
14 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent
Subject: Solstice Carol: The Tide Is Turning.
- This song is on my mind and on my stereo. It was written by Roger Waters,
of Pink Floyd, it's the last cut on his concept album, Radio Kaos.
This song is inspired by Live Aid, that Christmas when governments lent
thier secret sattelites, to broadcast a message of love and caring for all
humans.
It's a powerful work, that art and magic that he recorded, and it special
to me, and my beloved. I imprinted it in his mind, as deeply as I was able,
trying to implant the light of hope into the darkness of his clinical
depression.
To give courage to admit to fears, but to trust in love.
- It became more, a spell, a vision of a future of peace. The tide is
turning became a mantra, a statement of optimism.
I'd would put this album on repeat, and and this song always came up at the
perfect time. We would sing to each other with the stereo, gathering all the
love and hope for the planet that we could find inside ourselves, with the
emotion of the song firing magic in heat shimmers of Kundalini energy around
us, and send it out, a prayer, a blessing, a wish, that the light might
gently overcome the darkness, quietly and peacefully and inevitably as the
changing tide.
- I see a lot of friction everywhere, myself included at this season.
The longest night wears deep on our collective unconscous. A time of endings.
This song seems really approprate, for the solstice on the net: the net is
technology's sword wrested from the hands of the warlords, too.
Against the cold of winter, I offer "a billion candles burning"...let the
spell/prayer of peace that Roger Waters wrote gather the energy of all of
your attention, for just a moment, please....
Let this be a prayer for the new year
-
I used to think the world was cracked,
really threw my head into the ground.
I felt I had used up my quota of yearning.
used to look in on the children at night,
in the glow of thier Donald duck light,
and frighten myself with the thought of my little ones burning.
- But ohhh, the tide is turning. The tide is turning.
Satellite buzzing through the endless night.
Exclusive to moon shots, world title fights.
Jesus Christ, imagine what it must be earning.
Who is the strongest? Who is the best?
Who holds the aces, the east or the west?
This is the crap, that our children are learning.
But ohhh, the tide is turning. But ohhh, the tide is turning.
- The tide is turning.
ohhh, the tide is turning.
Now the sattelite's confused because on Saturday night,
the airwaves were full of compassion and light,
it's silicon heart warmed to the sight of a billion candles burning
ohhh, the tide is turning. ohhh, the tide is turning.
The tide is turning, Billy
- I'm not saying that the battle is won,
but on Saturday night all those kids in the sun,
wrested technology's sword from the hands of the warlords.
ohhh, the tide is turning. ohhh, the tide is turning.
The tide is turning, Sir Percy...
ohhh, the tide is turning. The tide is turning..
ohhh, the tide is turning. The tide is turning.
ohhh, the tide is turning. The tide is turning.
- ohhh, the tide is turning. The tide is turning.
ohhh, the tide is turning. ohhh, the tide is turning.
Ohhhh The tide is turning
(...Carried into ifinity by angelic male voice choir...)
Mistress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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"With no words, with no song, you can dance the dream, with your body on.
- And this curve, is your smile.... And this cross, is your heart.
And this line, is your path.
Oh it's gonna be the way you always thought it would be,
but it's gonna be no illusion.
Oh, it's gonna be the way you always dreamt about it,
but it's gonna be really happenin to ya..(REALLY happen'in to YAAAA!)"
Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
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Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
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15 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96
From: chelseaATNOSPAMsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
Subject: Re; Peter Norton on Apocalypse
Peter Norton wrote not to take all these predictions of apocalypse for
literal truth...that he would be meditating on the smile of a babe in the
manger.
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Peter.
My favorite verse in the bible I think (and I'm NO thumper)..is about the
holy spirit coming...."like a thief in the night"
NO ONE...channeled or not, really knows how, when, where....
it is our job to wonder and to ponder...and while here on this beautiful
planet...NOT to know.........
Peace and light to all at Christmas..and CHEER up.....God is gentle...
M