kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 269 

Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: Heart Chakra?

Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> I got a call this morning from the mother-in-law in Florida who says
> that since leaving my place in California, she has had a painful
> circlular spot directly over her heart - a little to the left of center
> chest. It hurts on the surface and is uncomfortable to lay on - there
> is no internal pain with it, but there is a similar spot on her back
> directly through the body. The spot on the back is far less
> uncomfortable and she can sleep on it, thought not on her chest. When
> she was here, I did a 'reading' for her and we opened up some very
> painful childhood memories - at the time I could feel that they needed
> to be let out and expressed as I felt it producing a closure at her
> throat area (chakra?). She told me then that she had a throat problem
> that she had been to several doctors about and despite numerous tests
> could find nothing medically wrong.
> 
> Would appreciate any input from the list on this phenomenon. I feel
> that she has 'expressed' her suppressed anger for her father, but has
> issues with her love for him. That sounds too simplistic, but I haven't
> said it to her yet - awaiting input. Her father, by the way, died over
> many years slowly of emphysema, cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, etc.
> 
> Dan
HI,
	It sounds like you opened her up and she didn't have the tools to stay
with the flow until it could balance out. Sometimes things are brought
up and if the person isn't prepared for the emotional/physical part they
have a real severe reaction. I would work with helping her to close that
center. If you can assist her then a light worker around would likely be
able to see what is happening, it can be in her etheric body and not the
physcial, it just feels like it is. Gloria
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: Alien at the Border.

Mistress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> 
>   So most people who have been following my posts, know that since my
> home/dungeon was demolished in early November, I have been
> impulsed/guided/planning to go Visionquesting for winter, feeling the need
> to meet with other K. awakened folks I have met online, and visit some power
> sites.
> 
>  That plan has been stalled by Mr. Bruner and Mr. Woods at us immigration,
> Pacific crossing, Blaine Washington, who have decided I am an alien. I am
> now at a loss as to how to prove to him other wise, haven given all the
> documentation I have, and not been believed. Ironically, I believe I may
> well be an alien , but in a very different context than they describe.
>   At a loss, I am looking for support or information, or just more positive
> energy sent my way. It's a very long post, sorry, a lot has been happenning.
> 
>   Business of mine dies over the holidays, so all seemed synchronistically
> planned. I got $2500 bonus for moving out early for the developers, + money
> saved, my furniture in three storage lockers, homeless during the slow
> season, what better opportunity to travel in search of my higher self? Come
> spring, I had planned to return to my beautiful city of Vancouver,
> re-establish the 'Plush Playrooms', And continue my work as Experiential
> Facilitator, but hopefully with an even stronger Healing/Goddess slant, from
> the gathered wisdom of my questing.
> 
>   Also in my role as spiritual leader for the Tribe of the Fire Serpent, I
> was looking forward to recommencing the tribe's monthly meetings, and
> sharing new wisdom with my group, with my family of my six personal slaves,
> for whom I am Goddess/Mentor and Spiritual Tutor as well as Mistress.
> 
>   First stop was to be San Francisco, to visit with Dan R. F. and his Lady
> Karen, for our shared Birthday, Dec.1. Also to visit Traveller, and check
> out the odd churches around there, The Service of Mankind Church, the Church
> of all Worlds. Seeking Affiliations for the Tribe to become a proper group
> entity. Seeking to perhaps wander to Sedona, for the Vortices. See if I can
> become invisible under the influence of much natural energy.
>   You know that my Visionquest is supported and accompanied by Faerie.
>   You also have been reading about the Alien that shows up in my mirror and
> to friends.
> A male of the Greys, who often shares wisdom with me. And that Guidance has
> given me the name, Queen of Alien Hybrids.
> 
>   Here is where the story gets twisted. I have been refused admission to
> what my own spiritual guide Lightbeing is calling The United Nazi States, on
> the grounds that I am an Alien. ( insert Laugh here)
>   Approaching the border on the Bus, last friday the 29th, I had anicipated
> no difficulty crossing what is supposedly the longest undefended border in
> the world. In Vancouver it is not uncommon for friends to zip across the
> line and back, just for a tank of cheap US gas. I have never had a problem
> crossing that line. I like to travel by train, unfortunately the Amtrak
> computer was down, and the bus driver had agreed to come into Seattle
> Station with me, to get my ticket. Tending to be a very honest person, I
> filled out my PO box address on my customs card, tho it is not the address
> on my drivers licence and passport, which is an address that is now a big
> wet hole with rubble.
> 
>    When they at us immigration discover I am a temporarily unemployed and
> homeless artist without a return ticket, they yank me off the bus. After
> going through all but my large siutcase, having a really good time going
> through all my tiny leather bags of crystals, freaking out at my sacred
> bottle of blood&vodka (Where did you get that much blood? It comes out of my
> body every month..see here it says in this pleiadean book menstrual blood
> for healing?) and examining with interest and curiosity my kinky toybag.
> 
>   They assure me that with the recipts for my storage locker and a return
> ticket, no problem. I, astonished and chagrined at this unexpected turn of
> events, trudge back across to the Canadian side, to sit and think. Many
> times have I crossed that line before, with nary a problem. As recently as
> October, I went to Portland for the weekend to attend an SM convention held
> by a non profit international educational SM organization, the National
> Leather Association, of which I am a member.
> 
>   I call my loyal slave lloyd, with whom I have been living for the past
> month, and ask him to get me a ticket from the station and the recipts for
> my storage locker, and fetch me at the border. He arrives, many hours later,
> my knight in shiny wet raincoat, unfortunately having been unable to get a
> ticket, and having forgotten the storage recipts. He, too, is astonished at
> my difficulty, being in the habit of regularly driving over the line to
> visit his sister in Oregon.
> 
>   We are both in some shock, that my quest, so long planned and sought, had
> been stalled so abruptly. He suggests that he might simply drive me to
> Seattle, and if there are questions, he can vouch for me. The idea that a
> Canadian might not be able to vacation freely in the US anymore has not sunk
> in.
> 
>    Driving through the border, honest as always, lloyd states that he is
> driving me to Seattle, to go vacationing for two months. We are called into
> immigration again, where a gentleman named Mr. Bruner recognizes me from
> earlier, and wants to sieze lloyd's truck and charge him with smuggling me.
> lloyd is understandably upset at this turn of events, but I manage to calm
> him down and persuade Mr. Bruner that two thick skulled Canadians and thier
> old truck aren't worth the paperwork. I do my best to persuade Mr. Bruner
> that I really am just going on vacation, and he insists on clarification of
> my career beyond artist. I tell him I am a dominatrix, and he decideds I am
> a wandering prostitute alien, who intends to abandon all for a new life in
> the states.
> 
>   This concept astonishes me, because while the us might be a very nice
> place to visit on occasion, having some interesting citzens, well...when
> Canadians get mistaken for Americans while travelling abroad, they are
> usually somewhat offended. I am awfully proud of my third generation
> Canadian citzenship. No way could I be persuaded to move from the most
> beautiful city in the world, Vancouver. He gives me an unsigned paper that
> says I require documents I don't have, including rent recipts for my
> address, hydro bills, income tax forms...and a verbal statement that proof
> of business, and whatever the earlier guys asked for, and no problem. He
> states that having lived with lloyd for only a month, I cannot call it a
> permanent address.
> 
>   I understand this to mean, return ticket and storage locker, and something
> to prove I am not a prostitute. A long drive back to Burnaby, and I spend
> the weekend in emotional turmoil, seeking guidance. From my Lightbeing
> Matthew, presently spending time guarding Dan's house:
>  >Doesn't your
> >internet homepage verify and support all claims necessary to get across
> >the United Nazi States border - right down to iterating why you don't
> >currently have a permanent address, that you are vacationing, that you
> >intend to return?
> >
> 
>  But of course, I say! 1000 worldwide visitors every day are reading about
> my vacation/visionquest plans, on the internet, my 50mg website business
> plan account, already paid in advance till Feb. explains all.
> 
>   Armed with the papers required, and  a copy of nearly my entire website,
> and a return ticket, and the papers saying my home is in 3 storage lockers,
> and the recipt for my internet account, this Wednesday, I attempted to once
> more go on visionquest.
> 
>   Arriving at the border, as required, I stated that I had been refused, and
> spent lots of time answering lots of questions. Showed my storage locker recipt.
>    They won't accept it. Figure my life will be in storage forever. Not good
> enough, they say. they wanna know there's a place rented, sucking my bank
> account dry while I'm gone. They wanna see a lease. The result, they have
> decided I'm not a prostitute, after studying the print of my website,
> including the document nosex.htm, where it explains in great detail about
> the no sexual contact rules of my service, ...but that I am still an Alien,
> intending to abandon all for a new life in the usa.
> 
>   The published statements on my site that I am temporarily unavailable for
> sessions till spring makes no impression.
>  Abandon my patrons, a reputation in this city I have spent years building,
> all of my friends...it's absurd, to me.
> 
>   And they refuse to believe otherwise. They said, she's got the money,
> she's got the return ticket, but they think I am going to work. The fact
> that there is no work for a Domina at x-mas or for months after, makes no
> impression. They have asked that I rent a house before I leave, to have
> something to come home to.
> 
>    I do that, I can't affoard to travel. That was the whole point of the
> synchronicity of being homeless at this time of year, with my K. flaming and
> so many experiences of growth and community awaiting me elsewhere. Thier
> insistence that I intend to abandon my beloved slaves offends me, and I view
> it as predjudicial harassment.
> 
>   Had nearly persuaded the gentlman I was dealing with at the time that I
> really am vacationing, then Mr. Bruner came and whispered in his ear, and he
> changed and started talking about how I was planning to dump lloyd
> and.....that story again.
> 
>   They talk about wanting me to have real estate here.
> My beloved personal slaves believe they belong to me, and a human is a
> priceless thing. I have chosen them with great care, over a period of years.
> Moulding them to be the best themselves they can be is my true art, I am not
> paid in cash for it. I could not abandon them, they are my Family. Having
> chosen to take on the complex Mistress/slave relationship with them, makes
> me very responsible for thier needs and well being.
> 
>   A clearer picture:
>   My life mission is around freedom of sexual expression, and promoting the
> understanding that sexuality is sacred. The only work I will be doing is
> sacred work on myself, and those I encounter. No money in it!
>  I feel that I am being predjudiced against by UNS immigration, for my
> sexual expression, and my spirituality. They seem to be convinced I am a
> baby eating satanist, whithout a shred of moral fiber. If anything, the
> international nature of the web, they thought was a perfect advertising
> strategy for an alien....
> It's not about getting across the border, anymore. It's about my life
> mission, my awakening, unfolding as it should.
>   It's them vs my K. and the internet.
>  One of my simpler mottos: Deal with what's in front of you. This is right
> in my face.
>   But I am at odds to plan my next step. This one individual is insistent on
> seeing me according to his predjudices, and insists on documents I don't
> have, like rent recipts and income statements.
> 
>    I don't work this time of year, especially without the security of a
> playroom of my own to be in. I require some pieces of equipment that are
> large and heavy, and in storage, for my comfort and my patron's tastes.
> Essentially, though, of course like anyone my talent is in my heart and
> mind, my being.
>   Mr. Bruner insisted that my toybag must stay at home, as they are tools
> for work....well, I was personally kinky long before I was professionally
> kinky, yet this man can tell me I may not bring in instruments for my own
> personal use, when I am on vacation. I have travelled on pleasure with a
> toybag many times before, with nary a problem, a few raised eyebrows, but no
> hassle.
> 
>   It feels like the patriarchal repressive forces are suddenly gathering
> against my matriarchal mission of self discovery. I have meditated long on
> this situation, and with his angel's permission, tried my best to send love
> to overcome Mr. Bruener's apparent fear of me: he sees me as a threat.
>   I have encircled the crossing in blue K. fire, to try to change the
> horrible energy I experienced there. I turn to my magic, and to the folks of
> my internet family, for support.
>                 Blessings, Angelique.
>                 Aka. Linda Holden, proud Canadian.
> 
>                    Mistress Angelique Serpent,
>                 Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
>             Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
>         *******************
> "Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
> Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
> With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
> come true.
> I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
>                          Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.

Wow! That is a story. I guess the first step is to meditate and sleep on
it and see what you are being told. Things like this happen and there is
a message inside it somewhere, it is up to you to find it. Also, did you
not have your paper work in order. Is the only reason they stopped you
is because you don't have a permanent address, that can be solved
easily. Give your boyfriends address or a family member. That way you
will have a home base. Then I would think it is up to you to not shock
people who are very conservative, maybe you can be more sensitive to
those who aren't aware of the things you are doing. And, then look
within and see if you are giving out an impression that is not accurate.
If you are talking to people about blood in the bottle and slaves, you
are indeed asking for trouble. Put yourself in their shoes, their
background, training etc. What do they see and feel from you? 
	
Then, take it as the first step of your spiritual quest just because it
isn't what you anticipated, it doesn't mean it isn't important and there
for you to reflect on. Interesting to see what comes to you. God Bless
you on your adventure. Gloria


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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

Teresa Baker wrote:
> 
> Hi! Have been following this group for awhile with great interest as many
> experiences related are similar to mine. Have meditated and studied various
> doctrines but particularly vedanta. Powerful light awakening years ago kept
> me on this path even while raising kids alone, working, and dealing with
> chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia in recent years. Still the light shines and
> ironically the illness has allowed more time for "self" study, reading and
> meditation without being pulled back into the world at former break-neck speed.
> 
> Someone posted recently and I can't find it now to quote accurately, about
> the experience of another dimension like a reflection going on. I have been
> very curious about a similar experience. About three or four times a year
> for the past few years another waking reality is going on either within or
> beside me. It seems to be dipping inside mine as I into it. Try as I may, I
> cannot quite grasp it or enter it, even with meditation, but it seems to be
> very active. I don't think it is guides, angels or a discarnate being
> attempting to be channelled, just someone else's consciousness and
> day-to-day experiences going on. Has anyone else had anything like this?
> It's quite disconcerting as it's hard to be fully "here" when "there" is
> pulling on me. It lasts for about three or four days solid, never more.
> 
> It's nice to feel safe about posting a question like this and knowing that
> not all who read it will think me "crazy".
> 
> Peace,
> Teresa
> 
> Life, we learn too late, is in the living,
> the tissue of every day and hour.
>                        ... Stephen Leacock

Hi Teresa,
My homepage is http://www.inetworld.com/lodpress/

Read that then let's talk. To you fill out of your body when this is
happening? It is when you are asleep or awake.  And, what kind of
energies are around? Any psychic stuff happening? Gloria



Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 
From: David Scott Newmark 
Subject: Sorry...

The book that I meant to reccomend earlier (yes, it does relate 
to kundalini) is Ken Wilber's "No Boundary."  Wilber did not write 
"Thoughts without a Thinker," although it is a good book as well.  Sorry 
for the incorrect info.


dave



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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 
From: "B." 
Subject: Re: Native American's way and kundalini

On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, TERRY MCCOMBS wrote:

>   Such as the Qabalistic Tree of Life, the Loa of the Voudouist, and
> Tai Chi to name three.
> 
>   Do you know any other ATNOSPAMsystems' ways or paths that you think might
> have something to say that would relate to things kundalini?
> 
>   Should one study different paths, or does that just lead to
> confusion?
> 

	The tradition of the Kabbalah has very developed tradition about 
the Inner Energy (knudalini) that it can match or even surpass the hindu 
one. The Kabbalistic tree of lifw is consisted of ten energy centers 
(Sephirot) which are grouped in three pillars, left, right and middle. 
The middle one which consists of 5 centers coresponds to the 7 chakras in 
Yoga. Btw the Sufi teaching also has this 5 main chakras. There have been 
many tries to find corespondencies among these systems starting with 
Crowley and in our time with Rippel and his "enhanced" Kabbalah.
	Kabbalah has it's own techniques and rites for awakening and 
evoking all of the energy centers. This techniques make use of images, 
colors, sound formulas, vibrations, etc. In the Kabbalistic tradition the 
throat chakra or the Daat Sephir is the borderline between God and Man. 
There are two main ways for using the power of the sephirot, one is used 
for meditation and spiritual development and is called "the sword", and 
the other is used for power, and is called - guess how -"The Snake".

						B.

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: psychic challenges

Gloria, thanks for your insights.

I just had a question about when you said:

> There is so much to learn beyond this state which is solar plexus 
> driven with the third eye open. 

Are you saying that the psychic phenomena manifest when the
solar plexus (third chakra?) is active _together_ with the 
third eye (sixth chakra?).  

If so, this is interesting since it
agrees with my limited single experience of these two chakras.  I 
experienced the third on one day and then a faint glimmer of the 
sixth on the following day, seemingly without any others in 
between.  And then the synchronicities 'hit the fan' so to speak.

Or, are you saying that psychic phenomena manifest with the 
third chakra only, and one needs to get to the sixth to 
get beyond their fascination?

> When the energies get to the heart and
> everything is centered through God's Will everything changes. It is the
> beginning of the initiation process. And, I do want to say it again, it
> is only the beginning. Gloria

yep. 
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"Enlightenment is the beginning of practice." 
-Sojun Mel Weitsman et. al.



Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 

Subject: Re: White Gold

I am part of the White Gold forum.  It is based on the research of David
Hudson. He has supposedly discovered a way to find monoatomic metals in
soil, as well as to break down a metal into a monoatomic form.  (Metals are
almost always matched in pairs at the atomic level.)  

White gold is a powder residue that is left once gold goes through Hudson's
process. He claims that it is the "manna" from the Bible and contains
extraordinary healing powers.  He has also been said to be the prophesied
David (from Nostradamus?) who will bring this powder to the world.

Hudson has a group of investors who have supplied him with funds to build a
processing plant for White Gold.  In return, they will receive large
quantities of the powder for they're personal use.  Once production is under
way, Hudson has said that he will distribute the powder for free to the
general public.  (He can afford to do this because he has also found a way
to change monoatomics back to a metallic state.  Basically he can take
regular soil and get metallic gold out of it.)

Monoatomics do exist in nature (carrots, pig brains, a few others).  There
are other metals which can also become monoatomic (rhodium, palladium,
copper, nickel, others too).  All these products are said to have some sort
of beneficial effect on people.

There are a few over the counter product stating that they have monoatomic
gold in them.  Simply put, they don't.  Two that I know of are called
Etherium Gold and ISIS Powder (or something like that).  I believe that
Etherium is about 90% mono-Rhodium though.  

Basically what I have been told is that you get out of it, what you put into
it.  If you believe things will happen, they will.
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Some notes: Hudson has refused to allow independent verification of his
product and processes, and no one else is able to check for monoatomic
particles.  It is his system.  He has contradicted himself on numerous
occasions in interviews and speeches.  He has also been sued by one person
who got sick from his product.

I do believe that Hudson has found something important.  I do not believe
though that he has thought everything through.  I do not think that Hudson
is a fraud, but rather more misguided and too eager.
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The White Gold e-mail list is a public one so feel free to join it. If
anyone wants more information from me, contact me privately.  This does not
specifically relate to K, and again, I don't want to clutter the list.

I'd sum up the feeling of the list by saying that we are skeptical but hopeful.

In Service to the Light,


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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 
From: Grant Botes 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Hi everyone!

I was just reading El Collie's article "Danger: High Voltage" on
this Kundalini page. I found it very interesting, especially when El
made mention of worsening of Kundalini sysmptoms after body work and
healing sessions.

I am not only curious, but as a practising Reiki Master I would be
interested in hearing whether anyone with painful kundalini symptoms
has tried Reiki, and whether it helped or not. What would be the best
way to help someone who came for treatment of kundalini symptoms?

I look forward to hearing your responses and wish you blessings on your
individual journeys.

Love and Light to all,
Grant
Reiki Master

South Africa



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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 
From: CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re Heart Chakra

Dear Dan,

I agree with Gloria about your mother's disrupted heart chakra.  I suggest
that you work on building up the energy of the two touching chakras.  This
however leads to another problem of building too much energy in the third
chakra without an upward escape.  

Since the energy sounds like it's trapped trying to get above the heart and
into the throat, I think it would be best to  energyze the throat chakra.
 Chant the mantra "Hang" or "Ham".  When she feels energy in the throat, try
to have her channel the energy from heart to the throat.  

If the energy becomes too great in her throat, have her open her mouth,
tighten the muscles in the tounge and concentrate on the very tip of the
tounge.  That should help expell excess energy out the mouth.
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Hope she feels better soon
Aaron



Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: psychic challenges

Hi y'all, guess what?  I got a reply from the Amazing Randi
on whether he thinks the PEAR psi research may qualify
for his prize money:

Subject: Re: Do you have an opinion on the PEAR research?
  From: James Randi 
    To: Peter Norton 

>
Peter:  The PEAR data is quite interesting, but I don't take any of this
seriously until and unless it has been independently replicated.  This
seems impossible at present, since no one has the funds to do it.  Also,
having been at the lab and having met the folks there, I have serious
reservations about it. These are things I can't discuss until the time
is right.  You might contact Ray Hyman (rayhymATNOSPAMoregon.uoregon.edu)
and/or Jim Alcock (GL250135ATNOSPAMvenus.yorku.ca) for information, since they
went there, too, and have some thoughts on it.
                                Randi.

I guess 'quite interesting' is a promising opinion from such 
a CsiCop as Mr. Randi!  At least it wasnt full of 'slander, invective,
and calumny' as Robert Anton Wilson claims the CsiCop acronym stands
for.

I will email the people he suggested, and forward anything of
interest. I still await a reply from the PEAR group themselves 
as to why they havent applied for Randi's prize ... stay tuned.

cheers