kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 262 

Date: Mon, 02 Dec 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

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Date: Friday, 29-Nov-96 11:11 AM
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Nov.29, 1996 /Fax: (360) 738-3443 (This is a second message.  First
was not done with margins.  It's my first try on the internet!! Elaine)

We are authors of a new book, BIG K, THE KUNDALINI STORY, published by
Hara Pub.Co.  Elaine is the first western woman to have had Kundalini
rise spontaneously, continue for over twenty years, and later write a 
book about her experiences.  BIG K is written for the general public as
well as metaphysical people, with lots of conversation and short para-
graphs.  There are eight pages of photos, and each chapter is illustrat-
ed with a line drawing by Elaine.  (BIG K is our slang term for 
Kundalini.  We use it when we talk to each other!)

Our backgrounds:  Bob Lehman was a pioneer in the space program.  He 
worked for the Rocketdyne Div. of Rockwell, Int., for 21 years at Cape
Canaveral.  He was responsible for the engines of the Delta program,
and probably has a world's record of 184 consecutive, successful launch-
es.  Bob was also responsible for the engines of Pioneer 10, which
exceeded all expectations and left the solar system after 20 years.

Elaine is a former teacher with a degree in education from Towson State
University near Baltimore, MD.  She has taught all ages.  Elaine studied
and had metaphysical experiences for over thirty years.  The Kundalini
arose over twenty years ago, and continues to this day.  Her experiences
are reminiscent of those of Gopi Krishna, whose first book may have saved
her life.  

Susan is Bob and Elaine's daughter.  She is a graduate of the Univesity
of Maryland, and worked for three years on Capitol Hill until she
found her life's passion - writing and directing films.  Susan lives
in Seattle.

?? Is it all right to say, "BIG K, THE KUNDALINI STORY," may be ordered
at bookstores or by calling 1-800-461-1931?  


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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: re chat

CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

snip

-  Anyway, during my virgin
> years, I felt very weird and very un-sexy. snip
  I'm too much of a freak inside to
> pretend I'm not outside and all that why can't I get any tension really
> occupies too much of my conciousness.  Too many problems with my past, and
> too many reasons it doesn't work.

> Aaron

Hi Aaron
-
Know what?  I have a sneaking suspicion you're unique rather than a 
freak.  The words we use ARE important.  All of us here on this list are, 
to say the least, "different" in some ways.  Join the club.  One of the 
things that makes you seem unique is the  questioning mind, openness and 
sensitivity  you have shown in your posts.  Just think, on one level, 
you've just lost your virginity yet again????  Lots of people here care.

Smile

jan



Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 
From: "Singleton, Peter" 
Subject: K and domination.

Surrendering and relaxing into the K process as it unfolds was one of the 
most difficult and at times fearful things for me. In the end I tried not to 
be too concerned and trusted in the process allowing it to unfold. I had 
resolved in my own mind that I didn't care if it killed me (and in a way it 
did). I couldn't stop it anyway. I think having to surrender was a good 
thing. I found this helped me tremendously later on. I was more humble and 
less arrogant towards myself and others. I also realised that 'everything is 
already alright' - now I'm trying to see the reality of this in my world. 
Always wanting to be in charge and in control is not necessarily a good 
thing. And there are parts of us which operate best without interference 
from this ego. The ego is afterall just one small part of what we are.
Cheers
Peter



Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 
From: "Singleton, Peter" 
Subject: Ball of energy leaving body

Hi Ellen,
no you are not alone. As to your question about a ball of energy, I haven't 
experienced that .... but I remember once when it seemed like a little black 
bead sort of whizzed all around my body then flew away (I felt it was 
something that had sort of condensed out of me).  I would be interested to 
know if others have had a similar experience.

Regards
Peter



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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 
From: julietATNOSPAMmoderncartoons.com (Juliet)
Subject: Re: Ball of energy/energy shadows

Once, in savasana after a long inversion and deep ujayii, I had a column
of animated (low res) violet flames, which I read as a purge of released
subtle toxic dreck.  The night that followed was quite intense,
energy-wise... alas, it was before I learned the art of surrender. 
Maybe this is similar.  
-
Also, I've been wondering (but busy these days): I have noticed for
quite some time that the normal energy patterns of my body seem to be
cast, reflected, or echoed in a subtle manner, in my shadow cast in
bright daylight.  Curious--never heard this mentioned before.  Just
wondered if anyone else ever noticed this phenomenon.  It's almost as if
the energetic system itself is casting a kind of corresponding shadow...
odd...
well, back to work...

J.
> 
> Hi Ellen,
> no you are not alone. As to your question about a ball of energy, I haven't
> experienced that .... but I remember once when it seemed like a little black
> bead sort of whizzed all around my body then flew away (I felt it was
> something that had sort of condensed out of me).  I would be interested to
> know if others have had a similar experience.
> 
> Regards
> Peter



Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: epilepsy and K

Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> 
> I think I may have mentioned this before but in Oliver Sack's book on
> migraine he speculates (but doesn't necessarily concur) that migraine
> may be a cousin of epilepsy.  It seems to me that if you added a
> migraine-k category to an epilepsy-k category there would be quite a
> few of us on the list, indeed, that would fit in.  I think about
> Dostoyevski, seizures and his visions, Hildegard of B., etc.   My
> migraines way preceded K but I wonder if the electrical irregularity
> allows a window for something new to happen, like a mutation or a
> strange attractor!!  Holly
Holly,
That makes sense, I'm sure it is related to brain wave changes and some
over heating in the brain, which amounts to swelling. Gloria



Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: epilepsy and K

traveler wrote:
> 
> At 02:08 PM 12/2/1996 -0800, you wrote:
> >I think I may have mentioned this before but in Oliver Sack's book on
> >migraine he speculates (but doesn't necessarily concur) that migraine
> [snipped]
> >
> My neurologist wants me to take Depakote for my migraines (it is an
> anti-seizure  medication used in epilepsy treatment.) Supposed to be very
> helpful. However, the risks of lethargy, overweight, and "impaired cognitive
> functioning" seem high to me, even though they are small in percentage terms.
> 
> Instead, I am pursuing a hormone based treatment at the moment, having just
> located one that I think makes far more sense for me. Clearly, stress and
> food etc may cause them for others but for me the cause is hormonal, period.
> I would rather heal at the source than add layers of bandages on.
> 
> Will keep you informed. This is my latest in a long series of hopeful
> experiments.
> 
> best, traveler
Patti,
	Do check into magnetic's. It works. Gloria



Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: Fwd: cellular change

Richard Satin wrote:
> 
> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
> 
> From: maxishATNOSPAMeot.com           \ Internet:    (maxishATNOSPAMeot.com)
> 
> Hello,
> I feel like I'm sending this message out into the big void.  I'm not sure
> how e-mail kundalini works.  I hope someone responds so I know if I'm doing
> this right.
> 
> I have no knowledge of kundalini, but let me explain why I am here.  A
> couple of months ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer.  Two nights later,
> I had a dream in which I met a peaceful soul named Kunda.  I understood that
> he was to be my guide through this. After that, whenever I became fearful, I
> said the name Kunda, and immediately took an involuntary deep breath and
> relaxed.
> 
> We went "on-line" a month ago, so I could research information on breast
> cancer, plus do some e-mail writings with my sister.  One of the first
> things I searched for was information on kundalini yoga, because of name
> Kunda.  I came across this e-mail line and joined it, and have been reading
> some of the e-mails that have come through.  I thought it was time to
> explain myself.
> 
> I had a powerful "Light" experience 18 years ago that changed me.  My baby
> was a few months old and I loved her more than I'd ever loved anything.
> Late one night, my husband and I smoked marijuana.  When I looked over at
> our sleeping baby, I thought that she was breathing strangely.  I panicked,
> but I was unable to manage a call to medical authorities, so I prayed for
> the first time in many years.  Suddenly, a powerful light beamed into my
> mind and totally filled me with love and peace.  I completely relaxed, and
> started laughing and crying, telling my husband that our baby was all right.
>  The sense of peace and joy that I had lasted for days after that.  Even now
> , I can tap into that "light" for peace and protection whenever I feel the
> need.
> 
> Whenever I'd gotten stoned before that, I'd get what I called a "hairy ball"
> in my throat.  That "hairy ball" left my body that night, and I had a sense
> that it was hanging around the house for a few days afterwards.  In fact, my
> husband felt strange and sick while it was there.  Then it left.
> 
> I am wondering if anyone has a kundalini explanation for this, and also any
> suggestion on how I should continue my search for information.  I have a
> sense that I need change on a cellular level, and I am not sure how to
> proceed.
> 
> Thanks!
> Ellen
> 
>HI Ellen,
-	Quite and experience wasn't it? That kind of thing comes along with the
awakening process. What it is, is your way of providing direction to
yourself. Follow what comes to you. Become open to what you think and
feel, but observe it from inside. Make a note within yourself those
things that take you away from the inner observation process. Those
things will be areas you will need to work. Then ask sincerely to know
what God's Will is for you, and with humility but your trust that your
creator is guiding and directing your journey. If you are suppose to
experience the force of kundalini it will come, you may have already
started this in some ways. But with your body going through the changes
now keep your focus on God and Divine Love. Do you meditate? Do you
remember your dreams? Do you find yourself thinking about God or deep
inner questions in your day to day experience? These are signs of the
quickening within. Check out my homepage at
http://www.inetworld.com/lodpress/ 
	I am one of the older folks on the list, I'm just turned 51. I've been
involved in this process all of my life. So, if it comes to you to talk
I will be wide open. Love to you and your family. Remember God works for
you and not against you, so whatever you are going through is a
blessing. Gloria lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

Richard Satin wrote:
> 
> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
> 
> From: ElaineATNOSPAMaloha.net, Bob and Susan Lehman 
> 
> Nov.29, 1996 /Fax: (360) 738-3443 (This is a second message.  First
> was not done with margins.  It's my first try on the internet!! Elaine)
> 
> We are authors of a new book, BIG K, THE KUNDALINI STORY, published by
> Hara Pub.Co.  Elaine is the first western woman to have had Kundalini
> rise spontaneously, continue for over twenty years, and later write a
> book about her experiences.  BIG K is written for the general public as
> well as metaphysical people, with lots of conversation and short para-
> graphs.  There are eight pages of photos, and each chapter is illustrat-
> ed with a line drawing by Elaine.  (BIG K is our slang term for
> Kundalini.  We use it when we talk to each other!)
> 
> Our backgrounds:  Bob Lehman was a pioneer in the space program.  He
> worked for the Rocketdyne Div. of Rockwell, Int., for 21 years at Cape
> Canaveral.  He was responsible for the engines of the Delta program,
> and probably has a world's record of 184 consecutive, successful launch-
> es.  Bob was also responsible for the engines of Pioneer 10, which
> exceeded all expectations and left the solar system after 20 years.
> 
> Elaine is a former teacher with a degree in education from Towson State
> University near Baltimore, MD.  She has taught all ages.  Elaine studied
> and had metaphysical experiences for over thirty years.  The Kundalini
> arose over twenty years ago, and continues to this day.  Her experiences
> are reminiscent of those of Gopi Krishna, whose first book may have saved
> her life.
> 
> Susan is Bob and Elaine's daughter.  She is a graduate of the Univesity
> of Maryland, and worked for three years on Capitol Hill until she
> found her life's passion - writing and directing films.  Susan lives
> in Seattle.
> 
> ?? Is it all right to say, "BIG K, THE KUNDALINI STORY," may be ordered
> at bookstores or by calling 1-800-461-1931?
> 
> -----
HI,
	Sounds interesting. Check out my homepage
http://www.inetworld.com/lodpress/ 
	I published my book in 1995, I have the second one called Winds of
Change done and have been waiting for the right time to do it. It is
also on kundalini and the Holy Spirit working together. Sounds like we
have a lot in common. Love to share. Gloria



Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: re chat

CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Some great mail between Richie and Jan and here's my two cents on celibacy.
>  As for me, I was a late bloomer having sex on my 21 birthday, just worked
> out that way, not like we found me a prostotute.  Anyway, during my virgin
> years, I felt very weird and very un-sexy.  Even the girls I dated either
> didn't want sex yet (or didn't want there first to be with me) or didn't want
> to "taint" me by being my first.  This left me feeling very unattractive and
> unwanted not to mention my introverted nature and shyness.
> What I've learned over the years is that if I'm going to be in a relationship
> with someone it will happen, almost without effort, like my body goes into
> auto pilot when need be so that I end up getting into a relationship.  As a
> result the majority of my relationships have been very meaningful and
> satisfying on many levels.
> It also means that when I'm not in a relationship I shouldn't bother looking
> for one.  Going to parties and bars and clubs looking for that great "hook
> up" or a love at first sight never seems to work for me, and when it does the
> relationship usually dissolves quickly.  I'm too much of a freak inside to
> pretend I'm not outside and all that why can't I get any tension really
> occupies too much of my conciousness.  Too many problems with my past, and
> too many reasons it doesn't work.
> 
> When my subconcious/God/the universe feels I'm ready for my next relationship
> I will be drawn into it.  Otherwise I try to think about it as little as
> possible.
> 
> I'm never trying to say I'm right and your wrong or anyone's better than
> anybody else, but for others who are connected enough with the whatever that
> they no longer feel they have much control over their own realities, this
> might be a good way to think about when to be celibate and when not to be.
>  It has most definatly changed my life for the better.
> 
> Aaron

Thanks for sharing that Aaron, and it works doesn't it? You are
basically just being open to what is meant to happen in your life, that
is very close to centering on God's Will for you. Keep moving with that
and you will be there. Gloria
-


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: re:  cellular change

Ellen, pick up a copy of Richard Moss's The Black Butterfly.  He is an 
M.D. who had a kundalini awakening and he has most interesting things 
to say about spiritual energy and cancer.  Hope this helps.  Holly
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: Ball of energy leaving body

At 03:53 PM 12/3/96 +1200, you wrote:
>
>Hi Ellen,
>no you are not alone. As to your question about a ball of energy, I haven't 
>experienced that .... but I remember once when it seemed like a little black 
>bead sort of whizzed all around my body then flew away (I felt it was 
>something that had sort of condensed out of me).  I would be interested to 
>know if others have had a similar experience.
>
>Regards
>Peter
>

-        As far as icky's coming out of a person, yes I have experienced this
too.  Just today I went to a healer I have been seeing and she did something
at the end that helped align things.  She held the tip of my finger with the
right hand and put her left hand on my torso, about the solar plexus level.
It was here that I saw an ugly tarish black evil energy ball that had 'ugly'
distortions of it's energy waves, that was the equivalent of radio noise
inbetween stations.  People comment on there being no real good and evil, I
agree with this in no-time theory.  But in the moment of intersection in
time, at certain points, a thing can be called evil, and this is what this
energy felt like.  
-
        She also commented in an earlier session of having to pull energy
away from little gargolye-like beings that were clinging to it, and when it
released fully, this beings left as well.  I think that these were old
beliefs, holding onto this energy.  I felt them for the first time in my own
awareness when Gloria came one night to help release energy.  She pulled
mentally upon the energy, and I felt this belief-form energy holding upon
this energy clinging to one end (for dear life mind you), while Gloria
pulled upon the other.  I tried aiding the process, but I couldn't do
anything about it, and just let my soul process the energy and observed.  I
have found that there is only a point that people can help aid me when they
do this (it happened with the healer too), and that the soul must process
the energy as well because it can't be pulled out solely.  This is because
of very deep karmic blocks.

        Perhaps Ellen processed her 'half' of the energy and her husband
needing time to process his part of it?  


Tim        
-


Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: Just say no?

Angelique,
	Well, I guess you have pretty much broken it down.
Tell me more about nutrasweet, pleaz, I've been avoiding it
and hearing different takes about it's effects.
	You pretty much covered the story on meat...as well as
many other things. Don't forget about radiation and smog. *smile*
You know, I definitely try to keep my intake pure as possible, 
however here is something that might interest you:
	A Korean Tae Kwon Do teacher I used to train with told
me that human body chemistry is not "fixed" or static, but is
itself a chemical blend of sorts. (I'm not a biologist) He said
that a body will adapt and alter it's chemistry if, say, it lives
in a smoggy area, or drinks pesticides. The human chemistry is
actually infinitely adaptible in some respects.
	My point is, life persists. Don't ever think that just
because the earth has lots of pollution and food additives and
radiation, that we are doomed. If you can flow, you can adapt.
Be like water, it won't break. Your body is 97% water. 
	Scientists now feel that surface deposits of Uranium and
Plutonium may have spurred human evolution millions of years ago;
the radiation causing mutations that eventually became dominant.
	I believe in change, mutation, evolution, genetic engineering,
cybernetic enhancements, organic computers, infinite RAM storing and
mutating our entire world into binary alternate cyberspace someday.
Infinite possibility. And hey, if ganga makes you feel high and
helps you, then go for it, because only you know what you need. I
was only speaking in terms of myself. Maybe I just needed to assure
myself of some things, I realize now that I don't have to do that.
	Chaos baby...Gaia evolving computers from our brains, to
connect the world, to save the environment...no where to go except
forward..."Hack the world"...the man made artificial world of 
substitutes and limitations...

-		later,
			Paco



Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 
From: JimBATNOSPAMpitnet.net (Jim B)
Subject: Re: Ball of energy leaving body

>>Hi Ellen,
>>no you are not alone. As to your question about a ball of energy, I haven't
>>experienced that .... but I remember once when it seemed like a little black
>>bead sort of whizzed all around my body then flew away (I felt it was
>>something that had sort of condensed out of me).  I would be interested to
>>know if others have had a similar experience.
>>
>>Regards
>>Peter

I don't think this type of experience is that uncommon...
-
>        She also commented in an earlier session of having to pull energy
>away from little gargolye-like beings that were clinging to it, and when it
>released fully, this beings left as well.  I think that these were old
>beliefs, holding onto this energy.

You might be right about this, but also consider that there may actually
*be* little gargolye-like beings that enter you when there is negative
energy to feed on.  :^)  I used to practice intense ritual magic in a small
appartment that I shared with a cat.  Over a period of time, the cat became
very disturbed, posessed you might say, almost wild.  Then one night I had
a dream that I performed a bannishing over the cat, and a dark dense energy
mass was expelled.  When I awoke the next morning, the cat was back to its
sweet old self again.

Jim



Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 
From: Anne Wright 
Subject: Re: Fwd: cellular change

Richard, How are you? My life certainly has gotten exciting. Watch and 
see what happens with apple computers in the next few months. Thanks for 
forwarding this post. Please make sure she gets this.  

Dear Ellen,
 You came to the right place. It sounds like you had an awakening during 
that episode with your baby. People tend to assume that you have an 
awakening and that is it...You are forever enlightened and everying will 
fall into place. I wish. An awakening is only the beginning of a long 
journey. As someone just said: Kundalini eats away the blocks that bind 
the soul. Most of us have lots of blocks. Pot plays an interesting role 
here. It can actually accelerate an awakening, but as soon as it becomes 
more than a tool, you need to abandon its use. There is someone else on 
the list who is currently looking at his cancer in a different way. 
Write me directly and maybe the two of you would like to get in touch. 
Anne

-

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 
From: Karen Blackford 
Subject: Synchronicity

Thought I would share this synchronicity with you.  I had been searching 
the web this morning for info on John Neihardt (Black Elk Speaks).  John
Neihardt was my great grandfather's cousin, and my mother wanted to answer  
a question about him for her new minister, who had written an extensive
paper on Black  Elk when he was at seminary school. In the meantime... I'd
been waiting for a month for a library book to come back, Synchronicity,
Science, and Soul-Making by Victor Mansfield.  It just came across my
desk.  First in the list of figures and illustrations is Black Elk and the
sacred pipe.!!



Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 
From: Jessica Simon 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

  Hey everybody!  I've been posting mostly to individuals for a while, but I
  came up with a general question.  My house is infested by ants in a big way. 
  I have the feeling that I don't want to kill them.  I've been putting them
  outside on paper towels and keeping the place clean, but they are determined.
   My fiance says that ants are not "living creatures" as such. They have a
  hive--mind and killing one does not damamge the mind.  I think he just wants
  to kill them.  My questions are: 1, is it normal with K to feel like you
  don't want to kill things?  2, What do you think about the hive mind idea? 
-  (I wouldn't want to be killed just because it didn't destroy the collective
  unconsious!) and 3, is there any kind of energy thing - asking them to leave
  - that might work as an alternative? I hope this is not too off-subject
                   Firefly