kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 260
1 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: traveler
Subject: Re: re chat(Tantra)
>
>No, I'm not lonely. I'm in pursuit of the Beloved, the other half of the
>self; the ultimate unity of the male and female in one andorogynous big
>bang. I'm being a little facetious here. Actually, the one problem with
>True Tantric Sex is that is leads one into the innate ability to see the
>god-soul of the individual you are making love to. It means Loving, at a
>soul level, not just with heart, mind and body. It means joining at the
>highest level man is capable of joining at: the immortal self joined the
>another immortal being captured outside time and space. To both be torn
>out of your bodies and face each other in pure astral form?
>
Dear Jan,
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I hear that this is your experience with Tantra. But it is not necessarily
the outcome of Tantra for others. There are so many variations.
In some sects, the initiate male makes love to a very, very, old woman, so
that he may learn the impernanence of the physical, and how to transcend it.
Obviously, this is a one-night union and not a soul-mate bonding. He learns
to experience the divine feminine energy, presumably in someone he will not
bond with.
In other ceremonies, Tantric couples routinely partner with others so that
they may experience the divine in everyone, including oneself. Celtic
ceremonies and other religions also do this. In a sense, they too feel that
a certain detachment is of value.
IMHO, western ideals of love and romance promote an image of the "cleaving
together of souls unto death" or whatever. These ideals reflect a general
prohibition of any kind of senseual pleasure that suggest terrible pain and
sadness will occur outside the socially proscribed rules of relating.
Tantric ceremonies are a means by which the kundalini energies are shared
and celebrated. In the ceremonies I know of initiates are carefully screened
so that they are emotionally as well as spiritually ready for this.
ANyway, not to question that your choice is right for you, as it seems
clearly correct. Just to set the record straight for Tantra, which is so
often misunderstood, especially in the western world.
best, traveler
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2 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Epilepsy and K
Tim Duna wrote:
>
> At 06:27 PM 11/30/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >Hello
> >
> >I have lost track of the number of times I have heard the terms,
> >"Epilepsy" and "Seizures" in relation to those with K experiences;
> >certainly more than I might think representative of general norms.
> >
> >I had epilepsy for years. My teacher told me it was as a result of
> >UNCONTROLLED contact with higher minds. I have privately e-mailed a
> >number of people with this perspective. Just as there are many
> >individuals, so the lack of smooth communication can have a number of
> >underlying reasons: too much energy, too little energy, incompatible
> >energy (particlarly during hormonal swings)etc.
> >
> >How many of us are there here on the list???? Is this more common that
> >even I might be aware? I no longer have seizures. Any one out there
> >"over it" too?
> >
> >Anyone aware of any research into the connection between K and seizures,
> >particularly in "old" texts?
> >
> >jan
> >
> >"...and air swooped down and swept his lover, fire, into his arms and
> >tossled her golden hair..."
> >
>
> Before my K awakening, I would have black-outs periodically from
> head rushes. During these black-outs I would dream and my body would
> twitch. At the time, I was in high school and smoking, doing pot, and
> drinking, so that could have helped bring on these situations. However, now
> with K going through, I find that excessive energetic release will bring on
> a head rush more easily. I find myself having to sit up first from a laying
> down position, wait, and then get up. If I don't, I'll start to get woozy.
> For me, there has always been a reason to the 'seizures' (mostly they are
> just black-outs, and no shaking), and haven't been spontaneously happening.
> Is this what happens to you? Spontaneous seizures?
>
> Tim
Hi
I wish. I had full blown, grand mal seizures. I do know what you're
talking about thought, because I experience this 'black out" too and I've
assigned it to low blood pressure. I'll rethink this one . Thanks for
the info.
jan
3 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: [Fwd: Open Discussion]
Awhile back some of you were asking about shielding from computer and TV
screen rays. Thought this post emflds-list might be interesting to you.
--Bob
At 07:34 PM 30-11-96 GMT0, Robin Stewart
wrote:
>I would very much welcome a comment from Dave giving much more detail of
>his work and experience to date. If he could reply in open conference
>then other experts could also respond and thus innocents such as myself
>could be better informed and hopefully out of the exchange of views
>will come a clearer understanding.
Thanks, Robin;
>Note that I'm willing to share with anyone what I've learned about this
>technology to date ~ and I'd invite argument, encouragement, discussion in
>general."
I realise that in making a comment of this nature I'm placing myself in a
possibly precarious position, especially if some of the "experts" are
aligned against the growing recognition that EMF's are at least potentially
harmful to the health of biological systems.
However, I deem the risk worth it; and my stance is based on actual
experience, not theory or purely market-driven motive.
I have a fascinating story to tell here but I'm only willing to put detail
on a list, according to interest shown and if people are receptive, fine,
but otherwise I confine discussion to those who've emailed me privately, and
there are only about 4 or 5 to date; c'est la vie.
There is no doubt that:
1] EMF's (at least the man-made frequencies) are today becoming
increasingly recognised by the 'scientific' fraternity as a danger to health
2] There actually are cheap and effective ways to obtain wide-area
neutralisation of the *effects* of these fields. In this, I've had ten
years' experience, but I realise that we've just scratched the surface
here.
I'm willing to share what I know to date, especially regarding [2] above, and
there is probably something I can learn from others on this list, myself.
This is a good part of the purpose of a list like this.
>"Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up
>every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss
>Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing."
>-Thomas Huxley
Regards to all
Dave
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- Dave Kirk
P.O. Box 13 323
Tauranga, New Zealand
Ph. 64 7 576 7533
>"Humanity, let us say, is like people packed in an automobile which is
travelling downhill without lights at a terrific speed and driven by a
four-year-old child. The signposts along the way are marked 'progress.'"
-Lord Dunsany
4 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent
Subject: send love to end violence against women
>
>PRESS RELEASE:
>
>The Canadian Women's Internet Association Presents:
>> >>A Candlelight Vigil Across the Internet
>November 27th - December 6th, 1996.
>> >>On December 6th, 7 years ago, 14 women were killed for being "feminists"
>at the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal. This tragedy in Canadian history
>has not been forgotten.
>> >>Our aim is to raise awareness of violence against women across Canada and
>throughout cyberspace, by presenting this Candlelight Vigil Across the
>Internet. > >>
>In memory of women everywhere whose lives have been affected by violence,
>please place a candle image on your Web page now through December 6th
>and link it back to our Candlelight Vigil web page.
>
>Candle images are available for download at
>http://www.women.ca/violence/candle.html
>> >>Thank you for being a part of this.
>Warm Regards,
>Lisa Voisin
>Co-Founder
>Canadian Women's Internet Association
>http://www.women.ca
>PLEASE REDISTRIBUTE
>
>The previous message was brought to you by
Mistress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
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Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
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5 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996
From: Paco
Subject: re: Drug Zone(4)
Jan and Gloria,
Right on, right on...while there are certainly worse
things to experience in this world than drugs, drugs wouldn't
do me any good at this point, and I like my natural state very
much, far too much to chemically alter it.
As I said, I haven't taken LSD or mushrooms in 11 years
or so, or smoked pot in 9 years. And no, never had any flashbacks,
kind of doubt that whole idea...although you CAN feel the marijuana
resin, if you will, working it's way out of your system up to two
or three years after stopping smoking. It causes irritability, low
energy levels, and maybe a mood swing or two. (just maybe)
Keep in mind that I am talking in terms of minute detail
here. I am light years removed from any drug or it's effect at this
point. There is a certain purity, or awareness in the nerves, or of
the nerves; a certain fine self awareness of the physical brain, and
the mind...all that has been given to me is from shree Kundalini...
For me, drugs would be an abomination; for somebody else, maybe a
cool experience...not for me to judge. Just wanted to put my two
cents in...
anyways, later
Paco
"You can't kill rock and roll" --- Ozzy Osborne
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6 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996
From: JOHN ROYER
Subject: Sensitivity
Jan Watson wrote:
> Celibacy keeps me in touch with the sensuous in all Life's aspects. Sex
> often desensitizes the individual to the very sexual nature of non-human
> life like soft green grass, a warm bath, soil, sunshine on the skin, the
> movement of birds and air and on and on forever. The joy is
> never-ending.
John Royer writes:
I remember when I was 3 sitting at the picnic table one fine, sunny,
summer day. All in one flash I could feel the wind in the trees,
warmth of the sun...Hear the birds in the trees, rustling of the
- leaves...
Seems like we all lose touch with that "in the moment" we once had
when we were very young...Now I've been chasing it ever since in
my dreams!!!
I agree with you that if you open your heart & soul and attempt
to get back to that "pureness" then you will once again experience
that "in the moment"...
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7 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: A Question of DNA
In a message dated 96-11-30 13:41:43 EST, you write:
>> I myself have noticed that I have gotten more lines in the palms of my
hands, and deeper ones too. >>
- >>
I can say that the same thing has happened with me also! But I do not know
what it means... more experiences in my life happening at a faster rate...
just a possible theory... I don't know.
Light and Love,
lori
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8 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996
From: "Singleton, Peter"
Subject: Reply- going unconscious
T. D,
When I was meditating intensively (sitting) I to would loose contact with
time. On occasions I would stop meditating and be astounded that it was 2 to
3 hours later than I thought it was. The normal meditation was 2 hours, I
was never aware of having lost awareness, didn't fall over or anything and
yet the time had passed. I interpreted it as slipping beyond the
subconscious into the unconscious state which is effectively timeless. I
felt it was simply a pranic flow balancing energies. Eventually it passed .
Hope this is of interest.
Regards
Peter
9 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996
From: "Singleton, Peter"
Subject: K - changing DNA?
In reply to Tim,
does K change DNA. I think that it doesn't. However all codes within the DNA
may not be active. K may infact act like a trigger or switch which turns on
the previously inactive sequences of DNA. I also think the K energy when it
reached the head in a rush also 'rewires' parts of the brains circuitry so
we may infact see and think in another way.
Regards
Peter
10 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent
Subject: Drug Zone..just say no?
I gave up eating beef jerky and prepared meats years ago: I found the
nitrites in the food to cause an emotional reaction in me of irritability
bordering on violence.
I still eat meat, but unless it's free range and organic, there is an
artificial chemical undertone to the meat. I can taste the difference.
Hormones and antibiotics in my steak. Eggs, the same way.
I have a touch of attention deficit disorder. It has been linked to
preservatives and additives, but also to a wheat allergy that is in much of
the population...wheat flour breaks down into a brain chemical that disrupts
concentration and causes mood swings.
- I medicate my condition with ganga. I am always slightly up, slightly
distractable, but at least the wild pendulum is stabilized.
Same with artificial sweeteners, apparently. They break down in the body to
the equivalent of paint thinner, diabetics are showing up with wierd brain
disorders comparable to the damage from sniffing solvent.
I like to drink tea, but lately I find myself bringing my own Twinings
teabags or Messmer Lee into restaurants. Studies show that cheap tea is
insecticide soup: it comes from the bottom leaves of the plant, which are
older, and so contain a larger dose of poison. My K. sensitivity means I am
exquisitely aware of the difference.
I worked for a modelling agency for a while. Never before have I seen so
many 13 year old girls who were 6' tall and looked 21. Hormones in food?
The tomato I buy at the store: how is it's DNA? Is it the way Goddess
intended, or has it been altered into something my body no longer
recognizes? Will I go into allergy attack because my body mistakes a tomato
dna fragment for a virus?
Has it been picking up acid rain chemicals? Dioxins and pesticide? Herbicide?
Even if it is organic, it might be contaminated by a wayward breeze, the
rain falling.
I enjoy dairy products, but I may soon give up my beloved Haagen Daz, if
they start putting Bovine growth hormone into dairy cows. I causes the same
cow to produce 4x the milk it did before, so the cow is stressed, and gets
sick more often, so there's antibiotics in the milk, too.
Pity, it is my favorite when my K.'s evolution is making my brain heat up.
Sugar is the only food your brain can use. Dairy protien is very digestible
to one such as myself, whose dna markers include skin that turns transparent
Ivory-blue, in winter.
One third of the popoulation is allergic to MSG. yet it is in everything. Why?
I've pretty much givenup watching T.V. Not because of the rays, but the
propaganda.
Endless bombardment of negative messages trying to persuade me I am
imperfect, so that I will give them money.
- I filter my drinking water to remove chlorine, I don't want that deadly
poison wiping out my internal ecosystem.
If I eat a salad dressing in a restaurant, likely the oil will be preserved
by superheating, and will be completely indigestible, instead coating my
cells and reducing their K. conductivity, not to mention the electrical
messages from my nerves, which are responsible for maintaining my health.
If I spend very much time under flourescent lights, I begin to get
irritable and sluggish.
-
Those same ones who would stop my sacred exploration using the chemistry
Gaia provides, allow drugs, toxins and forign substances in my environment,
into the air I breathe.
Packed away are my Greenpeace stats. on the number of entirely new
substances that have been introduced on the planet. Six figures, I think,
since 1900. Most have never been tested for safety. No-one knows the endless
possibilities of recombination with organic chemistry. No one is drug free.
Someone tell me, how do I just say no to all these ways I am being
drugged, my conscousness altered without my consent?
Blessings, Angelique.
Mistress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.