kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 253 

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Resonation (was:Vibro-matic Bed)

At 12:10 AM 11/24/96 -0800, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
>Karen has told me that when I am 'humming' in bed, it vibrates the 
>water, the bed and her. How is it that I can be producing (for hours 
>on end) a tremor/vibration that can be transmitted through water, 
>strongly perceptible to her, and yet neither she nor I can feel it
>on palpating my body?

Might this not be attributed to resonation?  An inner resonation which
by its very nature sets up an external resonation in the world around
us.  In your case, an inner resonation which seems to transparently 
reach through the cells of your body to effect a change perceptible
through the element of water.
-
I believe this is a key to how we create our own realities.
We draw things into the world... into our own sphere... through a
resonation which is set up internally.  It seems that the kundalini
is that evolutionary force which brings us to a consciousness of
happenings hitherto invisible to the naked eye.

I do not understand all there is to know about resonation, but my
intuition has led me to realize it is a vitally important facet of
this mystery we call life.  As our ability to withstand/contain
energy vibrations grows, consequently so do the coincidences and
synchronicities in our day-to-day life.

As above, so below.
ori^ 


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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: Music

Tim,
-	Classical sitar music, like CDs from Ustad Ulayat Khan or
Ali Akbar Khan are really excellent...the intricate and incredibly
balanced and complex notes seep into the nerves of your brain like
a magic elixir...try listening to it and dosing off for an early 
evening nap with the lights on while very tired; get ready for a
near hallucinogenic dream state.
	Also Indonesian Gamelan, flute and drum music is incredibly
great and obviously is renowned throughout the world. As far as 
rockm, Bush is in a league all it's own. See them on SNL? They are
now the Zeppelin of the nineties...pure solid rock straight from
the enchanted forests of the lost regions. Bush rocks! 
	Also recommend classic Ozzy CDs...feel the pure, soaring
freedom and ultimate rock power of Ozzy's music, and you see why
the media and society had to slander him with lies and try to make
him out to be an absurd freak or something. "You can't kill rock and
roll", baby.       
                later,
		     Paco


-
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: Kundalini, Chi, Spiritual Formation

Phillip,
	Even with a guide, a guru, a master or whatever,
there is always danger. Never assume that you won't go
astray just because of somebody else...the master can lead
you to the door, but you have to go through it.  later
-


Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Kundalini, chi, spiritual formation

Tim Duna wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >>         And where does one subjectively feel the Baraka or Holy Spirit in
> >> their body or aura?
> >>
> >> Tim
> >
> >Hi Tim
> >
> >First, I do not know, I only assume Baraka and Holy Spirit may be the
> >same thing.  I could well be wrong and am willing to entertain that idea.
> >As far as 'where', it seems not to be an issue.  Please let me
> >illustrate. When you first fell in love, was it with your aura, your
> >body, or you mind, heart, soul? spirit?  or was it simply, you?
> >
> >jan
> >
> 
>         So you are inferring it's a way of BEing.  Is this becoming the
> higher self?  To not confuse terms, when I say 'higher self' I am referring
> to the White Light plane higher self, the eighth chakra connects to this.
> Is it embodying and expressing fully this being, no sense of ego at all?
-
Hello

No, it is not a way of Being.  Just like in love, one recognizes a level 
of being which one was not aware of before.  Chakras are here to help us 
with our earthly existence.  They are there to give us sight and insight 
into this plane of existance.  Maybe I was fuzzy before, but our 5 senses 
teach us about condenses matter.  Our senses that open up with the 
clearing of the chakras are those that let us perceive a more 'rare', as 
in less condensed, world.  It too is real.  Beyond the perception of the 
chakras is yet a deeper world and requires yet another set of perceptual 
organs to perceive.  To me, Baraka is the activation of these 
non-localized perceptual abilities.  They are not ours to manipulate into 
activity as far as I can tell.  

Make sense?  It's like we have layers in our physical self called the 
body and its many senses.  Then we have layers in our psychic selves that 
are associated with the aura and chakras.  We have yet a deeper, more 
potent part of us that is beyond these two, and that is the level of the 
Sacred.
-
Have a great day!

jan



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: energy transfer
-
JrOlavo Jordao Jr wrote:
> 
> Hi Jan,
> 
> How this energy transfer works?
> Is it based in visualization? Does it happen "whishing"?
> Please give more details.


Hi

Antaris Ra just successfully got energy to me and I tried to send it 
back.  I'm having a hard time in words, and I don't know if I succeeded. 
 Hopefully, he willpost back and let me know if I know how or not.  Can I 
wait till then to answer you?  What I did that may or may not work is 
just called up a state of mind that is what I think of as "Beauty" and 
directed the energy to the message on the screen through the palms of my 
hand and through the forehead and the heart chakra.  

I don't know.  I'm a stranger in a strange land on this one....

jan



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Self vs ego

Tim Duna wrote:
> 
> Is it embodying and expressing fully this being, no sense of ego at all?

Hi 

I hope you don't mind me dealing with this one separately, but it is a 
different issue.  I'm not sure what your premises are and that makes a 
big difference regarding what you're really asking.  Some people believe 
that when they die, they join the "All" and cease to have an 
individuality; that in essense,  the drop joins the ocean and 
individuality is gone.  Yet others believe that individuality transcends 
death and that in life, when we connect with non-material realms, we 
maintain our individuality.  

Where are you coming from on this one?

jan


-
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Self vs ego

Dear K-List,

I do not often offer my philosophy because I agree with other posts which
state that words cannot convey the majesty of our wordless experiance.  In
some cases they may detract.
-
However, with this subject, words have helped point the way and I offer them
for the examination of all:

Their exists a small jewel of infinite blue, part of the original source,
within us all.  If you try, your minds eye can see it.  It yearns for the
return, to dissolve and add its power to the infinite.  And yet, when
completely dissolved, it can instantly coalesce and become you again in
whatever form you are now or were.  

Likewise, all relationships create a unique jewel between the contributing
parties which eventually join the cosmos.  So it is all there, every life and
relationship we have ever had, instantly recallable and part of everything
else at the same time.

All are frozen in a permanent state of their ending condition--EXCEPT THE ONE
YOU HAVE NOW.

Which points the way:  For the living--the NOW is virtually everything. 

Love,

Joe



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: re: Music

At 03:32 AM 11/24/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Tim,
>	Classical sitar music, like CDs from Ustad Ulayat Khan or
>Ali Akbar Khan are really excellent...the intricate and incredibly
>balanced and complex notes seep into the nerves of your brain like
>a magic elixir...try listening to it and dosing off for an early 
>evening nap with the lights on while very tired; get ready for a
>near hallucinogenic dream state.
>	Also Indonesian Gamelan, flute and drum music is incredibly
>great and obviously is renowned throughout the world. As far as 
>rockm, Bush is in a league all it's own. See them on SNL? They are
>now the Zeppelin of the nineties...pure solid rock straight from
>the enchanted forests of the lost regions. Bush rocks! 
>	Also recommend classic Ozzy CDs...feel the pure, soaring
>freedom and ultimate rock power of Ozzy's music, and you see why
>the media and society had to slander him with lies and try to make
>him out to be an absurd freak or something. "You can't kill rock and
>roll", baby.       
>                later,
>		     Paco
->

        I will try checking out some Indian music, before K I thought of it
as weird, but perhaps it'll be nice.  I am young, but I'm not really into
the rock or rap stuff, I'm more into jazz.  But since my ears got sensitive,
listening to it isn't always so nice anymore.  I did hear something on the
radio by the Maharishi Orchestra, sort of a Indian/Jazz thing made up in the
seventies by stoners no doubt.  At least I think that's the right name.
They do incorporate sitars and other exotic instruments into their
arrangements, and listening to it on the radio was very pleasant.  
-
Tim
  



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: Self vs ego

At 08:14 AM 11/24/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Tim Duna wrote:
>> 
>> Is it embodying and expressing fully this being, no sense of ego at all?
>
>Hi 
>
>I hope you don't mind me dealing with this one separately, but it is a 
>different issue.  I'm not sure what your premises are and that makes a 
>big difference regarding what you're really asking.  Some people believe 
>that when they die, they join the "All" and cease to have an 
>individuality; that in essense,  the drop joins the ocean and 
>individuality is gone.  Yet others believe that individuality transcends 
>death and that in life, when we connect with non-material realms, we 
>maintain our individuality.  
>
>Where are you coming from on this one?
>
>jan
>
-
        I can only speak upon what I have seen glimpses of in my healing, I
have not raised my K yet to be actively at the universal mind level.  People
talk about raising ones active consciousness at the heart level as opposed
to the lower centers, and thus embodying that energy of the heart center and
body as the personality.  What I was talking about is beyond that, at the
higher self level.  To embody fully the Oneness yet the uniqueness of the
higher self plane.  Is this not where we connect directly with the All?  Yet
still retain uniqueness?  To actively BE the All, but unique while in body,
as one would be the higher self.  Do you understand now?  I am not sure if
this is something that happens or not, or if it is for that rare Avatar only.  



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Vibro-matic Bed 

>>Karen has told me that when I am 'humming' in bed, it vibrates the 
>>water, the bed and her. She has also said that she can and has reached 
>>out to touch my body to feel the tremors and that there are none 
>>perceptible by touching me. This surprised me as it seems to be a non 
>>sequitor. How is it that I can be producing (for hours on end) a 
>>tremor/vibration that can be transmitted through water, strongly 
>>perceptible to her, and yet neither she nor I can feel it on palpating 
>>my body?
>>
>Notice the similarity: vibrations,and humming, and waves...to orgasm. In
that state, when extended, one vibrates sublty, at the level of the body,
and of the brain; these vibrations are easily transmitted to others in the
same room, or over a tv set (say, if it were a movie of the vibrations).....
>
>In orgasm we make music with our own bodies. We surrender into the flow of
the natural universe...this is the kundalini released to travel freely up
the body, down the body, circulating; I do not think of it as sex, but
something far more noble. Our bodies are an instrument of divine energies.
We have surrendered into a state of pure bliss.
>
>I feel that the vibrations of the k are manifesting in just one of its
myriad of its ways when this happens; what you noticed may be a full body
orgasm, the kind that happens without being touched at all (orgasm can
happen in the brain completely like this). Is it pleasurable when you are
humming?
>
>traveler
>



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: Re: Self vs ego

>Tim Duna wrote:
>>
>> Is it embodying and expressing fully this being, no sense of ego at all?
>
>Hi
>
>I hope you don't mind me dealing with this one separately, but it is a
>different issue.  I'm not sure what your premises are and that makes a
>big difference regarding what you're really asking.  Some people believe
>that when they die, they join the "All" and cease to have an
>individuality; that in essense,  the drop joins the ocean and
>individuality is gone.  Yet others believe that individuality transcends
>death and that in life, when we connect with non-material realms, we
>maintain our individuality.
>
>Where are you coming from on this one?
>
>jan

I'm with you on this one,  too, Jan (but I'm leaving the list for a few
days after sending it).  I believe the individual ego is never lost--only
transformed.  The false aspect of ego (self-centeredness) is burned away in
the spiritual life, but the work is to authenticate and liberate the true
self, which is an integration of the ego in the Christ Self (which might be
the same thing that many are calling the higher self).  The "agent" which
effects this inner transformation is the Holy Spirit, Whose love aligns all
the other levels of energy (including kundalini) unto integration in Christ
(at least, that's how I've come to understand these journeys in a Christian
context).  Kundalini, here, is not separate from the Holy Spirit, but
neither is it the same.  The Holy Spirit is of the divine while kundalini
is of the higher reaches of human potential (which is fundamentally ordered
unto the divine).  I know some on the list might find all this excessively
dualistic, but that's how it is with Christians: we recognize a fundamental
distinction between God and creation while empahsizing that the two are
intimately related at every level of being.  To me, it's not just a theory,
but an experiential reality.  I know that I'm not God, but neither am I
separate from God.  The agent of freedom responsible for this individual
life is my ego self, and it is not the same thing as God (neither is it an
illusion, by the way).  I did my doctoral dissertation on this topic, and
so I could go on and on about it, but I'll stop here and pick up the thread
(if there's any left of it) in a week or so.

Peace.  Phil



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Vibro-matic Bed 

You wrote: I feel that the vibrations of the k are manifesting in just 
one of its myriad of its ways when this happens; what you noticed may 
be a full body orgasm, the kind that happens without being touched at 
all (orgasm can happen in the brain completely like this). Is it 
pleasurable when you are humming?
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, yeah! Karen says I have a happy-stupid look similar to someone 
experiencing an orgasm (kind of like Stimpy when he is sitting in his 
cat-box singing the 'Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy' song). She says she is 
jealous and wonders what I need her for when I can be in this state for 
hours/days at a time. I never thought of it as a 'full-body' orgasm 
though - never knew an orgasm that wasn't 'full-body' and full brain.
Dan RF



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Stephen Kandul 
Subject: Re: Music

> >       Classical sitar music, like CDs from Ustad Ulayat Khan or
> >Ali Akbar Khan are really excellent...the intricate and incredibly
> >balanced and complex notes seep into the nerves of your brain like
> >a magic elixir...try listening to it and dosing off for an early
> >evening nap with the lights on while very tired; get ready for a
> >near hallucinogenic dream state. 

-	I'm new to the list and will make the proper introductions later, but
wanted to make a quick comment about music.
	There is a cut on one of my CDs of an Hawaaian shaman (Kahuna?}
performing a ceremony { the cut only lasts about two minutes}.  Every
time this cut comes up my body gets up and dances! It doesn't matter if
I want to or not, my body responds anyway.  This was quite startling the
first time it happened.  Since then other pieces of music have affected
my body in the same way {though the body motions are different with
each}.  I have learned that I can choose not to respond, but that it is
very difficult to carry through on this decision and hear the piece
through.  Anyone have a similar experience?

                                       In love and Light,
  						Marsha



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Vibro-matic Bed 
-
At 12:23 PM 11/24/96 -0800, you wrote:
>You wrote: I feel that the vibrations of the k are manifesting in just 
>one of its myriad of its ways when this happens; what you noticed may 
>be a full body orgasm, the kind that happens without being touched at 
>all (orgasm can happen in the brain completely like this). Is it 
>pleasurable when you are humming?
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Oh, yeah! Karen says I have a happy-stupid look similar to someone 
>experiencing an orgasm (kind of like Stimpy when he is sitting in his 
>cat-box singing the 'Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy' song). She says she is 
>jealous and wonders what I need her for when I can be in this state for 
>hours/days at a time. I never thought of it as a 'full-body' orgasm 
>though - never knew an orgasm that wasn't 'full-body' and full brain.
>Dan RF
>
I would experiment with holding her close while you are in this state and
let her in on the party. I'll bet this is easy to share. Let us know the
results. 

P.S. Maybe you could send some over the wires, too!  I'd sign up!

.......traveler



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: Music

At 04:10 PM 11/24/96 -0500, you wrote:
>> >       Classical sitar music, like CDs from Ustad Ulayat Khan or
>> >Ali Akbar Khan are really excellent...the intricate and incredibly
>> >balanced and complex notes seep into the nerves of your brain like
>> >a magic elixir...try listening to it and dosing off for an early
>> >evening nap with the lights on while very tired; get ready for a
>> >near hallucinogenic dream state. 
>
>	I'm new to the list and will make the proper introductions later, but
>wanted to make a quick comment about music.
>	There is a cut on one of my CDs of an Hawaaian shaman (Kahuna?}
>performing a ceremony { the cut only lasts about two minutes}.  Every
>time this cut comes up my body gets up and dances! It doesn't matter if
>I want to or not, my body responds anyway.  This was quite startling the
>first time it happened.  Since then other pieces of music have affected
>my body in the same way {though the body motions are different with
>each}.  I have learned that I can choose not to respond, but that it is
>very difficult to carry through on this decision and hear the piece
>through.  Anyone have a similar experience?
>
>                                       In love and Light,
>  						Marsha
>


        Hello Marsha welcome to the list.  No I haven't, but that is
fascinatingly weird.  There is very little I have heard of body
consciousness, and this came from the Seth books by Jane Roberts.  Seth
talks about sleep-walkers.  Beings who put very little consciousness into
their bodies, yet their bodies performed regular tasks while appearing to be
asleep.  That is the most of it, there's more stuff on body consciousness
and details on the sleepwalkers.  I believe it is in 'Unknown Reality' Part
I and II that it talks of them.  Body consciousness is throughout the Seth
series.  

Tim



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: Music

Sister Drum by Dadawa or 
Medicine Flutes by ?
is great music to meditate by..

flute


-
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Favorite Mantra

I use "Sat Nam".. sounds like "but mom".. means truth is my identity..

Many have told me I need protection so I also use a protection phrase 

that greets Great Divine Order and focus's my attention on love.. 
which
offsets any negative.. 
"Ong namo guru dev namo" said three times..
"Kundalini Yoga".. For body, Mind and Beyond by Ravi Singh is great 
for exercizes
and mantras..
I also did a meditation for my healing circle that is on my website 
that is for balancing
the chakras and using the mantra I mentioned above.. http://pages.
prodigy.com/flute
The Healing Arts

Creative Minds Unlimited
Carolyn/flute
flute  



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: energy transfer

Jan.. YES... to the energy transfer thru the internet..
You can definately feel it.. I send all the time.. My on line healing 
circles invoking the Divine Order have been an opening/awakening for 
many people.  
I am Empathic, so that I feel the energy of the person I am talking 
on in the IRC or Chat Mode..
all that is needed is a focus on the personality/aura behind the 
screen.. Miles makes no difference.
I have taken people into an altered state and pulled them up thru the 
chakras, focusing on breath control.  I am a heavy receiver and 
sender.
flute



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Energy messages
-
Xochi Basmati wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Energy messages sounds interesting.  Kind of like Flute? was saying
> about the energy of the internet groups she is in.  Do you have any
> suggestions of techniques or should I just be creative?--Xo


Hi Xo

I'm a rookie at sending - actually, today was my first day trying, so I 
think I'm not the person to ask.  I did get a sense though from postings 
and email that each person tends to have their own way of doing it, so 
maybe being creative may be best for you.  Perhaps Flute might help us 
with techniques as well?  Antaris suggested deep breathing as well.  Let 
me know how it goes and good luck.

jan


-
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: Xochi Basmati 
Subject: acid/reiki vs K initiation.

Hello,
>        I would like to someday take a peyote or other natural initiation.
>I have heard acid can be harmful if taken in too big of doses, as it will
>cause a waking mind crisis and shut-down.  The reason for this is because
>our bodies are not made to handle unnatural drugs.  Right now however, I
>have enough energy going through without the help of drugs, I don't think
>using them would be helpful, in fact, very well could be harmful. 
        I have trouble understanding where this fear is coming from...  Is
it a result of drug propaganda, teacher's advice, still trapped in the
duality of natural and unnatural substances, anecdotes by friends, or pure
speculation?  Checkout the Tricycle (buddhist magazine) which devoted a
whole issue to psychedelics and its role in awakening(excellent I thought
with a variety of thoughtful opinions.
        I would also like to point out that the discovery of LSD was the
result of intuition.  After making a considerable number of LSD compounds
and having them tested out (none of which proved that interesting using
animal testing),  "Hoffman had a "striking presentment" that LSD-25 would be
of pharmalogical interests and, even though it was contrary to company
policy, he decided to prepare a second batch of the drug five years later in
1943"(Ott, Pharmacotheon) So if intuition isn't coming from linear,rational,
manmade[sic] thinking then who or what gave  Hoffman the insight to make the
compound...and why?  Just in time for the 60's with the discovery of the
psylocybin mushrooms(which the western world rediscovered in 1955 even
though they have been used for thousands of years) and the explosion of
eastern religions in the US. Something to think about...
-
        I am going to get my first Reiki initiation soon and since I know
there are some Reiki enthusiasts here I would like to ask this question.
What is the difference between K and Reiki energy?  They both seem to have
the properties of  having lineages and that the awakening is permanent in
the individual after the transmission.  I saw a book comparing the
two(Essential Reiki I think) but I didn't have the time to read it.  I also
know that a few Reiki teachers in my area (Boston) are Kundalini teachers.
I think I will be the seventh in line.  Spooky:0)  --Xochi

-

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: acid/reiki vs K initiation.

I am a Reiki Master.. Meaning I can teach and conduct the initiations.
. There is a physical change that takes place.. Essential Reiki by 
Diane Stein has some good information but her symbols are not quiet 
right.. and she even admitting to experimenting with one that had 
some very negative affects.. 
I was already awakened and the Reiki Initiation seemed to Organize 
and help me focus my energy. 
In my Reiki I initiation.. I freaked out the instructor/master.  All 
she did was start talking about the chakras and  my kundalini energy 
was on the move upward.. some candles in a sort of mini crock pot.. 
blew up and splattered all over her mirrors.. That was some time ago..
 They still can't get all the wax off the wall and mirror.. Its 
imbedded there.. grin. 
Laughing.. and the first student I initated in the shop.. I didn't 
explode the candle, but no one can figure out how candle wax was 
everywhere.. needless to say.. Im' not allow to use candles without a 
crystal or two around to diffuse the energy.. giggling and a good 
scolding ...
flute



Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: acid/reiki vs K initiation.

I think my gift and my responses are due to never having taken drugs. 
I have had many that worked with me tell me how strong my energy is.  
Even the slightest bit of wine even seems to make me sick or 
something.. I seem to lose the finer sensations/vibrations. 
Especially after Reiki MAster initiation.. Something in my physical 
makeup changed and a very tiny bit of wine will make me very weird... 
LOL..
throwing up etc.  The cherokee, woodland Indians, were not user's of 
Drugs and they accomplished the same affect or better. I don't 
believe the Guru's of India used drugs either. THey were definatley 
more advanced in the spiritual gifts than most.  SO.. My advice. STAY 
away from Drugs.. they could make your negatives worse..
flute