kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 249 

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Give Pisa Chants

I am constantly amazed at the similarities between migraines and k...in
fact, I am not sure that I even have migraines, it could be pure k symptoms...
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Anyway, I have exteme sensitivity to light and even more so to sound. I
rarely can go into a restaurant playing music without having to ask (beg)
someone (usually more than once) to turn down the music.

One time recently, there was classical music in a Chinese restaurant's
kitchen. We were clearly way out in the restaurant eating room, around
dinner time, and the restaurant was full. The music was driving me nuts! I
put in the earplugs that I always carry. To no avail...It was classical, and
the high tones of the violins were searing like hot knives through the
butter of my brain. (Violins, high voices, trumpets!!! oh, not, not the
trumpets!) are the ones that do me in. Those and certain types of drumming.)
I begged the waiter shamelessly to have the kitchen crew turn the volume
down. Everyone was surprised, (my waiter and fellow diners) for they could
not even hear the music.....And here I am with my earplugs in and
everything, and had to ask twice (standard) to have the music lowered. 
I tell people if hearing were 20/20, then my hearing is 20/10 or something.
It is getting better and better, not worse, like its supposed to!

As for Tibetan chanting, I took a weekend in Dszogchen meditation once; I
could not stand the sounds, and left altogether; I hungered for the
soothing, deeply intuitive sounds of Sanskrit, which seem a part of my very
essence.....

Other than the noise (sounds) I thought the Tibetans had a fabulous world
view and was sad to have found this overwhelming lack of aural
resonance...back to indo-european for me, I guess....


traveler
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: Fwd: MRIs

Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Interesting this talk about MRI's. When the original studies were being
> done for the FDA, I was working for GE Medical Systems in Waukesha, WI.

fascinating!

Dr. Lee Sanella's book on Kundalini has an appendix by
Itzhak Bentov describing his theory about induction of K
via applying magnetic fields to the brain. I wonder if 
you are experiencing a delayed induction of K via MRI?
Maybe someone should do a followup on all the MRI
guinea pigs for K manifestations. Maybe somebody has?
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As far as not being invasive, I wonder, the magnetic 
fields used in MRIs are fantastically huge, aren't they?
The radiation of Video monitors at normal viewing 
distances is on a scale of naturally occuring
terrestrial field strengths, whereas MRIs are orders
of magnitude beyond anything 'natural'.  

MRI fields are intended
to generate coherent orientation in the water molecules'
spin orientation, and given that microtubules in neurons
depend on 'ordered water', and K experience is a kind
of 'coherent mental state' (at least subjectively), mix
it all up and who knows, there might be something there?
(another crackpot theory at any rate)



Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: headaches

Ok.. for headaches.. migraines..
could be pressure from rising spirit..
sit straight up.. and breathe deeply until you are relaxed..
then visualize the breath going upward into your head where
the pressure hurts the most.. Then release that pressure upward
with visualization.   Breath into the disbursing of the headache 
until it disappears and it will.
flute
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: ARggghhh

Physical science, then cannot ofrmulate laws outside of illusion. the 
very fabric and structure of creation, Nature, herself is illusoion. 
matural science must perforce deal with her ineluctable quiddity.  In 
her own domain, she is eternal and inexhaustible, future scientists 
can do no more than probe one aspect after another of her varied 
infinitude.  Science thus remains in a perpetual flux, unable to 
reach finality, fit indded to discover the lwaws of an lareday 
existing and functioning cosmos but powerless to detect Law Framer 
and Sole Operator.  The majectic manifestation of gravitation and 
electricity have become known.... but what gravitation and 
electricity are, No mortal knoweth.
Yogananda..1946
All life is a vibration of energy/light. There is no matter that is 
not constructed of energy and light atoms
So what we preceive as the world around us, is but an illusion of 
positives and negatives.. God is..
a singular.. the beginning of the cycles and patterns.  The finite 
mind of man has to release the images of his life's illusions and 
know that he cannot conceive the infinite, unless.. he accepts that 
limitation and goes beyond it.. grin.. Flute.. 1996.  When you define 
space then you lose the time aspect, when you pinpoint time you lose 
the space aspect.. Being so.. there is no space and time except as we 
assign it so.
grin.



Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: light

What you feel with Kundalini is the movement of light/energy
as in light so in all forms. Let go of the Ego and become a part
of the unity..
flute



Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: Monique Mooney 
Subject: Headaches, Migranes etc...

I have suffered with migranes for 13 years now. For relief use an ice cube
wrapped in paper towel. If the headache/migrane starts on one side of your
head place the ice cube on the opposite hand. You want to put it on the
fleshy part of your hand between your thumb and forefinger. I usually keep
it on for an extra ten minutes after the pain has gone just to be sure. If
the pain is on both sides of your head it doesn't matter which hand you put
it on, you could even put an ice cube on each hand. Do be careful to wrap it
in papertowel or something like that so that you don't wind up with an ice
burn on your hand. This works on headaches and vascular or tension migranes.
If that doesn't help let me know, I have found many way to turn them off
over the years.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: Dolce Vita 
Subject: Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat, etc.

Dear Martin,
That was a wonderful write up on kundalini.Thank you so much for it. 
Straigh to the point, simple and easy to grasp by anyone. 
Our blessings to you, 
Lissette



Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Fwd: MRIs

Peter Norton wrote: I wonder if you are experiencing a delayed 
induction of K via MRI? Maybe someone should do a followup on all the 
MRI guinea pigs for K manifestations. Maybe somebody has?
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It would have to have been delayed by about 20 years; that's when the 
testing was done. Have no idea how one could find the guinea pigs as 
subjects names were kept confidential.
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As far as not being invasive, I wonder, the magnetic fields used in 
MRIs are fantastically huge, aren't they? The radiation of Video 
monitors at normal viewing distances is on a scale of naturally 
occuring terrestrial field strengths, whereas MRIs are orders
of magnitude beyond anything 'natural'.
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That was my understanding of why the Faraday Cage was necessary. I was 
told that without it, operation of the magnet would shut down 
electromagnetic devices and telecommunications in a 75 mile radius - 
similar to the EM-pulse sent out from a nuclear explosion. I think the 
non-invasive part refers to the operator OUTSIDE the cage-).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
MRI fields are intended to generate coherent orientation in the water 
molecules' spin orientation, and given that microtubules in neurons
depend on 'ordered water', and K experience is a kind of 'coherent 
mental state' (at least subjectively), mix it all up and who knows, 
there might be something there? (another crackpot theory at any rate)
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You got me! The egg-head, multi-PhD's that I was helping with their 
Japanese tried to explain the MR principles to me in layman's language. 
I was more successful in my attempts to explain Japanese! Dan-RF


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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: Eagle 
Subject: Re: Headaches, Migranes etc...

Monique Mooney wrote:
> 
> I have suffered with migranes for 13 years now. For relief use an ice cube
> wrapped in paper towel. If the headache/migrane starts on one side of your
> head place the ice cube on the opposite hand. You want to put it on the
> fleshy part of your hand between your thumb and forefinger. I usually keep
> it on for an extra ten minutes after the pain has gone just to be sure. If
> the pain is on both sides of your head it doesn't matter which hand you put
> it on, you could even put an ice cube on each hand. Do be careful to wrap it
> in papertowel or something like that so that you don't wind up with an ice
> burn on your hand. This works on headaches and vascular or tension migranes.
> If that doesn't help let me know, I have found many way to turn them off
> over the years.


I suffered with migrains for 25+ years before I began to search for the 
source.  Before that, I just felt that I was stuck with them and maybe if 
I could just take enough pain medication I could manage to get thru this 
one.

Then I began searching for the source of the pain.

One was an accident as a child.  Chiropractic dealt with that.

Next, was an over taxed liver and gall bladder and colon.
Did the herbal cleanses for all.   I discovered that a major cause of 
headaches is toxins in the bloodstream.  So I work at consistently 
detoxifying.  It is an ongoing project considering the environment that 
most of us live in.

Sometimes it is overindulgence and/or underindulgence.  I learned that I 
get fewer headaches if I eat smaller meals, more often.  If I go more 
than 4 hours without nutritional intake, I am then prone to get a 
headache.  If I eat salty foods on an empty stomach, I get a headache.  
And sometimes too much chocolate, cheese or caffeine brings on a headache 
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I have also learned that I am much more prone to headaches at specific 
times during my monthly cycle.

 According to Louise Hay,  Migraines are caused by Dislike against being 
driven.  Resisting the flow of life.  Sexual fears.  [I can remember when 
all of those were true abourt me]

So, what do I do about them?   Whatever works.  

I have occasional chiropractic adjustments.  Seems that once ever 2-3 
months is enough for me.

I eat small meals, often.  I never go anywhere without some kind of food 
with me.  A piece of fruit, even a couple of crackers.

I eat less chocolate, and cheese.  And rarely drink caffeine any more.

I rest when I need to.  I exercise [occassionally].  seems like the more 
physically active I am, the less often I have headaches.
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Stay out of the sun.  Hot sun brings on headaches for me.  Due to heat 
stroke several years ago.

When it is caused by the monthly cycle, I increase my intake of 
nutrients, especially liquid minerals, heavy on the calcium.  Migraines 
brought on by the monthly cycle are due to calcium/magnesium/boron 
deficency.

I cleanse the colon and liver at least once, usualy twice yearly.  and 
drink lots of filtered lemon water to help keep the liver functioning at 
optimal level.
Take a ginger tea bath to pull toxins from the blood stream thru the 
skin.   to 2 quarts of cold water, add 3-4 TBSP of Ginger root powder 
[purchased in bulk from a health food store, not your local grocer] or a 
5-6 inch piece of root, sliced,  and bring to a boil.  Remove from heat 
and let steep 15 min while you draw a bath.  STRAIN the tea into the tub 
and soak no 20-30 min.  If you stay more than 30 min, you will not be 
able to get out of the bathtub.  You will have avery restful sleep.  Good 
for the skin too!  [if you do not strain, it will plug the drain]
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I have a mediataion tape, releiving migrains.  about 20 minutes.  never 
have to listen to it more than a third time, even for the worse one to be 
rid of hte headache.

Instead of ice [seems to intensify the pain with me] I use pressure.  
Using the hand on the opposite of the headache, the left one if you cant 
figure out which side the headache is on [mine were so severe I couldnt] 
find the soft hollow in the V between the thumb and forefinger of the 
opposite hand.  take a deep breath and hold to the count of 4.  As you 
slowly release the breath, apply pressure.  When the breath is all the 
way out, hold to the count of 4.  as you start to slowly breath in again, 
release the pressure and at the top of the inbreath, once again hold the 
breath tocount of 4.   Repeat 3 times.  Wait 5 minutes, if still have a 
headache, repeat.  If you do this at first sign of discomfort, one cyle 
may be enough.  Use as often as you need it.

And since I have discovered the Essential Oils, I use the pain away and 
migraine blends.  Just put a drop in hand, and inhale.  annoint each 
temple.  Even the worst headache can be releived in 20 minutes, with no 
morning after residual.


And last, but not least,  I use Lousie Hays affirmations and suggestions.

"I relax into the flow of lie and let life provid all that I need easily 
and comfortably.  Life is for me."

And if the migraine is from sexual fears, there are  many scientific 
tests that prove that the pain can be relieved by masturbation and 
climatic sex.

I hope some of this helps.  I use some or all of these when the pain 
starts.  Sometimes, I keep ignoring it till it gets really bad and puts 
me to be.  I should know better by now.  But I still occasionally resist 
flow and push too hard.  And the pain is sometimes the bodies way of 
demanding, and getting, attention.  When you are in pain, you will maybe 
listen more closely.  I usually dont.  Not until I am deep into the pain. 
 Then I go looking for "symptom relief".  It is only after I get thru one 
more round of pain, that I go looking for source relief.
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I apologize for the long post.  These are all the various techniques I 
use.  It is my experience that not every technique will work every time. 
and not every one will work for every person.  All of these have worked 
quite well at various times.

Blessings of love and vibrant health
Sybil Soaring Eagle


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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: Give Pisa Chants

>Has anyone else been bummed or thrashed so badly by music? Usually you 
>hear only positive aspects of felicitously soothing reactions to music. 
>I think there should be warning labels for this kind of thing - DANGER! 
>THIS CD CONTAINS UNEXPECTED VOLUME, PITCH, AND TEMPO CHANGES THAT COULD 
>BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR DRIVING (ESPECIALLY IF YOUR K IS IN FULL ROMP!) 
>Just kidding!-)  Love and LAUGHING LIGHT, DAN-RF


Yes!  Sometimes it hurts my ears terribly, even though it's music that I
like.  I get so irritated by music that I *have* to turn it off.  I think
your psychic ears get more sensitive to sound, also, perhaps the body as
well with K cleaning.  Sometimes people's voices hurt to listen to, I get
really irritable and pissed off at them as a result, but frustrated too, as
I know it isn't their fault.      

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: >>>>>Vampire Games.

Mistress wrote:


        Later that evening, after I'd scared poor raven half out of her wits
by raising my energy high enough to become invisible....I was watching
myself turn invisible in the bathroom mirror, and my first thought when I


My reply:


I am interested, what level must one raise thier K to in order to become
invisible?  

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Tim



Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Re: >>>>>Vampire Games.

>Mistress wrote:
->
>
>        Later that evening, after I'd scared poor raven half out of her wits
>by raising my energy high enough to become invisible....I was watching
>myself turn invisible in the bathroom mirror, and my first thought when I
>
>
>My reply:
>
>
>I am interested, what level must one raise thier K to in order to become
>invisible?  
>
>
>Tim
>
  Hi Tim:
        I guess my first question would be: what scale of measurement do I
use to describe that level?  How do we measure K.?  I don't have a
kundalometer. There is no such gadget, as far as I know.
-        Open question to the list: what level does one become invisible at? 
        Is there terminology, vocabulary for that in some discipline? 
        The Celestine prophecy mentions it, and I have a very K. awakened
friend whose husband has seen her vanish, I'll ask her if she has a scale
she uses to measure such things..
        Isn't that the big problem, with K. and science. Science doen't
wanna believe anything it can't measure.
        one of the beings cymbal was channelling suggested measuring suble
magnetic forces. Perhaps I'll get my electronics slave to invent something!
 
-        We measure it by experiences?
        The level was the visibility threshold, I guess. 
        Or is your question about how did I raise my K. that high? 
        That answer would require another long and kinky post.
        My focus was on increasing my own sexual K. pleasure. 
        Vampire Games and Dominance and Submission were elements.
        I believed it was possible, but that was not my goal. just a side
effect..
        raven's K. and tongue piercing get some credit...interesting
conductivity..
-        cymbal and I were on acid, but raven was completely sober...that's
why my becoming invisible was so much harder on her reality.
         My opinions on acid and K. would be another post. A very long one.
It is sacred and powerful magic, to me. I use it occasionally to evolve
myself, make changes, discoveries and new connections in my deep unconscous.
And I love to play with the waves of blue fire that I see/feel rising up
from my body so clearly in that state. I have begun to see it straight as
well, I'm learning where precisely to orient my internal focus.
        Mind you, the next day, without acid, I started glowing blue
phosphorescence again, and part of my face turned to smoke. (no mirror,
cymbal's observations.)
        
        My ability to literally, light up a room has definitely increased
since I began channelling Gaia. Even today, although my focus was on
energetically and emotionally fortifying my beloved posessions for my
abscence, twice we noticed the gold/blue light coming from my body. It is
made of the vibration of love, fulfillment and pleasure. Is that a level? 
        The explanation I was given that night, by the beings that were
speaking through cymbal, and from his and raven's own observations:
         I have been aware for a while that some aspects of my personality
are in fact other beings, or other aspects of my multidimensional self.
Especially when several psychic friends could also see the alien, that I see
in my mirror, sometimes. And some of the others beings that appear...if
other poeple could see them, I had to accept that they were not hallucination.
        The more energy I raise, the faster, and clearer the other beings
appear, till finally, they are blurring, changing too fast to be seen, and
so I turn to smoke and become invisible, like the spokes of a wheel turning. 
        Vibrating faster than this visible dimension? 
       
        Measuring K. is a topic that interests me, too. I am completely
certain I can repeat the experience...perhaps in a laboratory setting, where
we c a n measure the magnetic fields generated by the energy I was pulling
in to cause my physical body to vanish. Invisibility is only a dimension away.
        It sure was fun, anyways! Heck, I'd be happy to do it again, confuse
a few scientists...In fact, It was pretty clear from the information I was
getting during the experience, I am meant to do exactly that! Hee Hee! What
kind of camera do you use to take pictures of invisible beings?
        It's so much fun being a living Koan....Dan says I don't get the
Noble Prize for turning invisible unless I can make magic dust, too. Oh,
well. I don't know of any scientists interested in an ocasionally invisible
(but often glowing) Dominatrix, anyways.  
               Golden and blue blessings, Angelique.

        Oh, but the headlines would be a hoot, though, wouldn't they? 
        Truth is stranger than fiction....

		   Mistress Angelique Serpent, 
		Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
            Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
	*******************
"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
                         Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.


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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: "Michael J. Davis" 
Subject: Re: >>>>>Vampire Games.

At 05:24 AM 11/22/96 -0800, Mistress Angelique Serpent wrote:

>        I guess my first question would be: what scale of measurement do I
>use to describe that level?  How do we measure K.?  I don't have a
>kundalometer. There is no such gadget, as far as I know.
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Of course there is! Just go ahead and send that check on to me for $595.99.
I'll get it right out to yuo Fed-Ex Red.

That last name for the check is D....A....V....[grin!]

Have a nice weekend...

Michael
*******************************
Michael J. Davis
Independent Network Consultant
mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com
PGP Public Key Available Upon Request
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, most just pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
                     - Winston Churchill


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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: Re:music and k

All these posts on music and k: I can identify!  Years ago, I used to
listen to the radio or play music constantly (I'm something of a musician,
by nature).  Now, I can't take more than a few minutes of anything without
getting disoriented.  The more loud and coarse the music (eg hard rock;
some classical pieces), the more difficult.  Like Traveler, I hear
everything, and the music seems to dominate my attention when I go to a
public place--have a hard time conversing it's so distracting.

My read on this is that music speaks to all parts of our nature, but
especially to the emotional level.  I think the k process is aggravated by
an over-stimulation of this level (just as it is when we overstimulate the
physical, mental, or even etheric--I've had enormous headaches from
pranayama and so I never do this any more).  A little emotional stimulation
via music is OK.  To much and the subtle bliss is lost.

Peace.  Phil



Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
From: Monique Mooney 
Subject: Toxins that cause headaches

A little something about toxins, a little something to think about;

-        When you hear of someone being poisoned we usually think about
someone drinking poison in one form or another. But the body can be poisoned
in other ways too. If the chemical gives off fumes and you breathe them,
they are absorbed into your body. Get the chemical on your hand and your
skin will absorb it. There's a whole new industry in the delivery of drugs
through the skin with transdermal patches. The skin will absorb far more
than we'd ever imagined. A toxic chemical can be absorbed by ingesting it,
smelling it, touching it even from a surface it's been on for days or even
months.
        Over 70,000 new chemicals have been introduced since WWII. 250
billion pounds of synthetic chemicals are produced in the U.S. each year.
According to the U.S. National Research Council, no information on the toxic
effects is available for 70% of the more than 48,500 synthetic chemicals
listed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
        In 1980 a report to the President, the Toxic Substances Stragetgy
Committee stated the 80-90% of cancers are triggered by exposure to
hazardous substances. We aren't talkinga bout people who work on industrial
sites. We are talking about women and children. Women who work in the home
have a 55% higher chance of getting cancer than those who work outside.
That's because the toxic chemical concentrations are 2-5 times higher in
your own home. And our children,
whose respiration rate is three thimes higher than adults. That means our
children breathe in 3 times the contaminants, just playing on the floor
exposes them to chemicals like asbestos and formaldehyde. Only their
detoxification systems aren't fully developed, they can't filter toxins as
well as adults do.
        Every year 5 to 10 million household poisonings are reported. Too
many to be really stupid people who just drink it again and again. 
Chlorine which is used in nearly all dish detergents. Dish washing
detergents are responsible for more household poisonings than any other
product. Their fumes leak out into the kitchen. Common symptoms of exposure
are headaches, fatigue, burning eyes, and difficulty breathing when exposed
even during normal dish washing. 
* summarized from "Why are you poisoning your family?" by Dr. Brian J.
Abelson, D.C.



Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 
 
Subject: Re: >>>>>Vampire Games.

At 05:24 AM 11/22/96 -0800, Mistress wrote:
>        Measuring K. is a topic that interests me, too. I am completely
>certain I can repeat the experience...perhaps in a laboratory setting, where
>we c a n measure the magnetic fields generated by the energy I was pulling
>in to cause my physical body to vanish. Invisibility is only a dimension away.
>        It sure was fun, anyways! Heck, I'd be happy to do it again, confuse
>a few scientists...In fact, It was pretty clear from the information I was
>getting during the experience, I am meant to do exactly that! Hee Hee! What
>kind of camera do you use to take pictures of invisible beings?

Actually there may be a way for you to do this and make some money at the
same time.  There is an organized group of skeptics out there that is
putting up a "prize" for anyone who can demonstrate paranormal or psychic
behavior in a controlled environment.

The prize is now up to $740,000 (US).

The deal is that you and the leader of this group must agree on exact
settings as well as what is to be demonstrated.  It actually seemed fairly
straight forward.

Now I know that we are not into this to turn a profit, but I'd love to see
the skeptics have their eyes (not to mention their wallets) opened for once.
I'm assuming that if your were to win the prize, there would be much
publicity around it.  I have a feeling that this is the reason most true
psychics have stayed away, for fear of turning into a human lab experiment.

The reason I mention this to you, Mistress (hey, don't tell my wife but I
could get used to that! ) is that from your posts (as well as your
profession) I know you to be a strong woman who could handle such a show.

If you would like more information, let me know and I'll post it.

In Service to the Light,