kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 235
1 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Re: Jyotir Veda Festival (fwd)
Dear Mary,
=09I am posting this information to the list because you posted your birth
information to the list. I hope that is what you wanted. Due to a rash of
complaints on other lists I am witholding further posting of astrological
information unless I receive expressed permission to do so from the List owners.
You may of course make inquiries in private.
Sincerely,
Christopher
- "Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose,
and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus,
the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many branched."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.41)
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2 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: interesting work re: K/gnosis/esoteric christianity
Stumbled upon this work in a surf inspired by the current discussion, thought I
ought share:
David Ulansey is a historian of religion specializing in the ancient mystery
religions, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, ancient cosmology, and the origins of
Christianity. He is particularly concerned with the relationship between
religion, myth, and the evolution of consciousness. He has published numerous
articles in publications ranging from Scientific American to the Journal of
Biblical Literature and is a frequent lecturer at the C.G. Jung Institute of San
Francisco.
http://www.well.com/user/davidu/CIIS.html
http://www.well.com/user/davidu/index.html
Apparently he has also done work in tracing the occurance of related symbols
through history...
J.
P.S. Great links, too! Wow--from tantra to critical theory!
3 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
From: FunSportATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Hello
Thank you ,,,, this is VERY interesting. Glad to be here.
4 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
From: Michael Heyns
Subject: South Africans on the list........
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Hi all
Does anyone know if there are any other South Africans on the list. I need to
meet with people having similar experiences. I am resident in Cape Town.
If there are any other Capetonians out there, a reply would be
appreciated.
Regards,
Michael Heyns
Computer Networks
Tel +27 21 245008
Fax +27 31 245009
http://www.comnet.co.za
mheynsATNOSPAMcomnet.co.za
5 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: muscle bound
Anne Wright wrote:
>
> As far as the muscle and neck pain, I just wanted to add that mine is
> killing me. My neck and shoulders are as tight as a sling shot. I have
> started taking the magnesium and calcium. Others seem to be experiencing
> the same thing. Does anyone have suggestions for some exercises or yoga
> poses? Thanks Anne
Anne,
Move the energy from the throat chakra into the heart center. Keep it in
the heart center until it is balanced flow move it back up and out the top of the
head if you can, if not release it through the heart center and divine will. Did
I hear you say your work is as a counselor. Are you going through something right
now that has thrown you out of balance and reactions are causing the distress?
Check it out. Gloria
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6 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Genesis, kabalist, and kundalini
CAROLYN MALONEY wrote:
>
> ok.. help me with this..
> Some time ago, I had a dream about molecules.. all connected with
> bars... this was floating
> and the molecule swayed and changed form only as to how the floating
> affected it.
> The circles/balls were red and gold and the connecting rods were
> irridescent Blue or a vibrant green.
> I remember watching it for a while and wondering what it was all
> about.
> The next day I went shopping and found some tarot cards.. They had
> the name McGregor and a chinese name on the back as Illustrator and
> some other credits. I bought them because of the name.. and
> found my "molecule" on the back of each card.. I was told it was
> the Tree of Life.. the Kabbalah.
> I've tried understanding the tree of life symbol but its very
> complicated.. I have a slight idea..
> I think I am suppose to learn something more about it.
> A friend of mine told me that in a past life, I martyred myself for
> the children of the horror in WWII. and because of that karma, I was
> back in this life as a reward. The very strange thing is.. All the
> kids are attracted to me.. and the ones that seem to find a real
> family kind of bonding have very german/jew last names.. Is this
> part of it. I have had so many wild and major coincendences in the
> past few years, I'm still reeling.. grin
> flute
> aka
> Carolyn Maloney
Carolyn,
Go to the library and pick up some books on the kabbalah, you will
understand that the tree of life is very much connected to the transformation
process, and actualization of spirit. The dream also relates to centers, each
color represents a center that you are connecting up energy to just as in the
tree. Gloria
7 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996
From: Paco
Subject: $sex$
Ok, things seem to have taken a scientific turn,
I have some trippy questions maybe some will answer...I'm curious what people
think about these...I will just start with one or two. Ready?
It seems you can think better when your brain is more "dry"? Concur? Disagree?
What is the relation of the flow of cerebro-spinal fluid into the various brain
cavities to meditation, sleep, thinking etc.?
If you feel "hit" with some negative energy somehow, and you can feel it in your
head, what do you think this is? Do you regard this as a contraction of blood
vessels, a neuro-electric pseudo-neuralgia, a fluctuation in fluid pressures
within the brain tissue, or some kind of psychic sensory function? Or otherwise?
curious Paco
8 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: Genesis, kundalini, etc.
Nice response, Tim!
Apparently you have done your homework on all this a little better than I'd
thought.
One problem concerning k and the Bible is that there's really no direct
equivalent between k and anything in the Bible. The Jewish and Christian
notions of God and spirit include k, and a whole lot more. The
physio-kundalini a la Sannella is obvious from time to time. Then there's
those seraph serpents and Moses raising the bronze serpent (with which
Christ identified in regard to his crucifixion).
I'm very interested in discovering the link between k and Christianity, and
of doing it in a way that can help to open the Church to Eastern
disciplines. My hope is for a very ecumenical environment among the world
religions of the future.
Peace. Phil
>>At 11:06 AM 11/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>>OK, gang: let's talk a little more about Geneis, the serpent, kundalini and
>>>the kabalah.
>>>
>>>>Aaron,
>>>> I must say that I myself am a seeker about the Bible and am excited
>>>>to reply. I have come across some interesting things about it in my search.
>>>>For one, the OT is a Kabalistic work.
>>>
>>>No it's not, Tim. See my response below.
>>
>> I may have been presumptuous a bit. It appears to be a kabalistic
>>work.
>>>It is simply not true that the Old Testament was written by Kabalists (this
>>>is not a matter of subjective belief, but objective, historical fact, which
>>>anyone can research and verify.) When interpreting the scriptures of any
>>>tradition, it is important to first and foremost understand what the
>>>author(s) were trying to communicate (not what we project into their
>>>minds). The Genesis account of creation is a synthesis of at least four
>>>sources of Hebrew oral tradition. Other books of the Old Testament derive
>>>from these and other Hebrew traditions. The book was not written or edited
>>>by any one person or group (no, not even Moses!).
>>
>> The bible stories are an oral tradition you say. Well kabalah, *is*
>>a Jewish oral tradition, historically. Originally it wasn't written at all,
>>and to this day, there is a substantial oral kabalah. I will say also that
>>the kabalists are not the original Jewish mystical system. There was a more
>>ancient one that scholars have uncovered (and know very little about) called
>>merkabah mysticism. Scholars believe it is early Jewish shamanism. In
>>merkabah, one would ride a chariot of fire (merkabah) through the seven
>>worlds. This merkabah has little or no relation to the new-age use of the
>>word 'merkabah'.
>>
>>>The Kabalists figure
>>>very insignificantly, here, as there is little evidence of their existence
>>>prior to 100 B.C. (Abraham was 1,800 B.C.; David around 1,000 B.C.). There
>>>was a large body of Scripture (the entire Old Testament!) already formed
>>>when the kabalists appeared. It seems that the kabalists were more
>>>influenced by gnosticism and neo-Platonism than by Judaism; they seemed to
>>>project the former into the latter.
>>
>> I would agree about this as far as the known origins of kabalah.
>>However the neo-Platonism and gnosticism are not the origins of kabalah, but
>>use it, or a similar form of it. They are Hermetic influences (at least the
>>neo-Platonists), offshoots of the Egyptian mystery schools. How you define
>>'gnosticism' will give you your answer to their origins, it seems to be a
>>catch all pharse of sorts. It would seem that many mystery schools and
>>traditions carrying similar yet unique characteristics appeared in this
>>region of the world. My guess for an origin or a centerpiece would be
>>Egypt, there we can find the Pyramids, temples of intiation. This is
>>contrary to what scholars believe, but I had rememberance of an initiation
>>there in the great pyramid.
>>
>> However, it would seem that the bible has been changed or has had
>>variations to it's scripture. We can see this in the comparisons of the
>>Sumerian texts, and also alternative texts, ones that didn't make it into
>>the bible. The Nag Hammadi Library is a later example, the 'Lost Books of
>>Eden' is an earlier example, as far as a timeline within the bible. I
>>believe what we have gotten today is mistranslations made by scholars
>>through the centuries. Just look at the King James' version of the bible
>>and you'll see what I mean, look how it differs from the other revisions.
>>
>>
>>>>Kabalah is the Jewish mystical
>>>>tradition (for those who don't know) and they have full knowledge of K.
>>>
>>>Highly debatable!
>>
>> Not so. A K initiation from above has been said to feel like a
>>lightning bolt coming down into the body. In kabalah, the lightning bolt is
>>a symbol drawn upon the Tree, descending through the sephiroth or spheres.
>>The kabalists have very complete, exact and complicated figures of the
>>creation of the universe (differing somewhat from the bible). It is my
>>opinion upon seeing these that it didn't come from unintelligent people, but
>>rather those that have been awakened. Kabalah means 'secret book', because
>>their traditions have been kept mainly secret doesn't mean that they don't
>>have knowledge of K. In fact it infers that they do. Many of the secret
>>sects of ancient times had very aware knowledge of kundalini and reality
>>creation (magic), the reasons behind their secrecy. K has quite a power
>>that it brings to the individual, power that could be misused if fallen into
>>the hands of the ignorant. Power that could harm the individual or others.
>>One of the requirements of kabalah in Jewish tradition is humility before
>>power.
>>
>> Another thing that infers they knew of K is the way the Tree is
>>split into three pillars. One of Severity, one of Mercy, and one of
>>Mildness. An active force (severity) a passive force (mercy) and a neutral
>>force (mildness).
>>
>>>>In fact the OT is a very purposeful book, every word has meaning. It
>>>>is meant
>>>>to be kept in Hebrew only, as well as the NT (to be kept in it's original
>>>>language, Coptic), as the words are made up of the 'sacred alphabet'.
>>>
>>>Wrong again: several of the works appeared in Greek in their original
>>>version; most were written in Hebrew.
>>
>> Actually, the OT is originally Aramaic, a pre-Hebrew alphabet. I
>>know this conflicts my position about not the orginal languages, but see my
>>paragraph about kabalah being the bible that was passed down. Coptic is the
>>oldest language used so far that they have found to translate the NT from,
>>as far as I know.
>>
>> I should have commented above that the kabalists are the ones that
>>believe that every word in the bible has meaning and placement for a reason.
>>
>>>>This is why it says in the bible that the words shall not be changed,
>>>>unfortunatly,
>>>>they have been and so have the meanings.
>>>
>>>What are you implying? That someone changed the words of Scripture without
>>>the Jews knowing about it? Who do you think did this? And why? What
>>>evidence do you have for this? Sounds like conspiracy theory number 3,212!
>>
>> There is a reference (I'm not sure where exactly in rev. to be
>>honest) in revelation there is a passage about not changing the words or
>>they would sin or something to that extent. A Christian group actually
>>showed me this when I began explaining to them that what was translated was
>>not the original meaning. Anyway, in translation, it has lost it's meaning,
>>this is fact. 'Lord' does not refer to YHWH all the time, or even God in
>>the OT. 'Lord' is the word used in translation to the Coptic word for
>>teacher in the NT at times.
>>
>>>As for numerology, it certainly was taken more seriously by the Jews and
>>>Christians of ancient times than their later counterparts. Nevertheless,
>>>the Bible is not a text of numerological expression. There have been many
>>>attempts to do numerological analyses of the texts, and some have claimed
>>>to establish definite correlations. Modern scholars who have delved into
>>>this have concluded that some of the authors were making an effort at
>>>numerological "syntax", but most others were not. Rather than the Bible
>>>being a numerological code that was later changed by unsympathetic editors,
>>>the converse seems to be the case: that a few editors tried to impose
>>>numerological text-ing. The Hebrew language was (and is) quite capable of
>>>expressing the Hebrew experience of God without tying it to a numerological
>>>base.
>>
>> It is gematria, different than numerology. The bible seems to show
>>the sciences of astrology, gematria, numerology, and purported by some
>>alchemists, alchemy throughout it. Why is there a book of 'numbers' anyway,
>>how do scholars explain this? Why is the bible making references to bulls,
>>lambs and fish? Are these not three zodiacal ages in a row? Taurus,
>>Capricorn (lamb=baby ram) and Pisces? There definitely seems to be more to
>>the bible than scholars have uncovered. Who are scholars anyway? A voice
>>for the masses that tells us what is true and what isn't? Must we follow
>>their slants like sheep and neglect what they neglect?
>>
>> It seems that in the bible, we find things that scholars are
>>baffeled about and ignore. Why does it contain so many references to body
>>parts, animals, oil, stones, etc? These are all symbols, or metaphysical
>>tools that are congruent with kabalistic or Coptic ideals. Tell me, what
>>the heck is the 'lamb of God' anyway? Somehow, through the translations, we
>>have lost the knowledge encrypted through symbol into the texts.
>>
>>>I don't know how the above affects the slant on Genesis and kundalini that
>>>you shared. Certainly, a kabalistic and even a numerological
>>>interpretation of Genesis is valid, but not because that's how the text was
>>>originially written or intended to be understood.
>>
>> I should make this clear as my intention: I am aware that the bible
>>has deeper roots, what I refer to as the bible is what the scholars have
>>uncovered, translated and shipped out as 'the bible'. Did the kabalists
>>later form their ways to the bible, or was it written by them? That I will
>>have to be honest and say, I don't know. But from what I have seen, the
>>bible is a kabalistic work, meaning knowledge of kabablah, hebrew and having
>>the original words is necessary to decode it completely. At best we get a
>>somewhat confusing read in english. The few bits of translation that I have
>>read (which is more litereal of the original language) refer directly to
>>things on the Tree of Life. God names, symbols, angels, body parts, etc.
>>It is my bias then that the bible refers to different parts of the Tree of
>>Life in various passages, making a complementary tool for study of the Tree.
>>My bias is no different than any other scholar's opinion of things, we just
>>generally tend to believe that the scholars are the end of truth when they
>>aren't, any scholar will tell you that.
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>
9 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: St. John of the Cross and Kundalini
Dear Peter,
I liked your reflections on St. John of the Cross and kundalini. Then there's
St. Theresa and her seven mansions in the interior life, each of which includes
the kinds of issues we deal with in the seven major chakras. These two mystical
giants along with many other Christian mystics obviously knew and integrated a
full kundalini awakening.
What is different about them, however, is that this was not the goal or
center-piece of their spirituality (as it seems to be with the new age). In fact,
many of the k phenomena were regarded by them as a positive nuisance. Kundalini
was, for them, what the Church calls a concomitant phenomenon. They were onto
something far greater than kundalini, for which k itself came into play: union
with God in Christ. That their reflections on the journey took on a
chakra/kundalini flavor should not be surprising if that is the metaphysiological
structure we all work with.
Just a few thoughts about a topic that has long interested me.
Peace. Phil
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>>Imagine my surprise on just now reading 'The Ascent of Mt Carmel' by
>>St John of the Cross (after so many years of wondering about this 'Dark
>>Night' business), and seeing his diagram of the ascent sketching
>>a very striking similarity to the shape of brain hemispheres with
>>3 paths coming in from the bottom, a large central path and two smaller
>>side paths on either side. I was struck immediately by the suggestion
>>of the nadi channels.
>>
>>In what I've read so far I have not seen that he explicitly
>>describes any 'esoteric' physiology like kundalini, but he must have
>>experienced it given the depth of his transformation.
>>
>>He does have some good advice on visions and auditions, reinforcing
>>the classic eastern advice to not seek them or put too much
>>significance into them, even though they are positive signs.
>>
>>anyway, check out the picture, the book is in the 'Classics of
>>Western Spirituality' series currently in print, called just 'St John
>>of the Cross'.
>>
>>His second version of the diagram published in some other books is not
>>as striking in its brain similarity as the original version of the
>>diagram.
>>
>>This site has the second version of the diagram:
>>
>>http://ccel.wheaton.edu/john_of_the_cross/ascent/ascent.html
>>
>>anyway....
>>
>>"Nothing, nothing, nothing ... and even on the Mount, Nothing."
>>San Juan de la Cruz
>>(the description of the middle path)
>>
>>Cheers
10 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
From: veda002
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two
Robert Chalmers wrote:
> Your post is the first time I have learnt that there is indeed an
> association between brain activity and "nostril dominance" and I would
> like to see the evidence; of course, I had assumed this was so already.
> You say that these ultradian cycles last for 90 minutes or so. Do they
> fit into a day?- i.e. Are there normally 16 cycles in a day which more
> or less repeat themselves, so that the same transferrance occurs at the
> same time every day between dominant modes? Perhaps this ties in with
> 7.5 hours sleep, i.e. 5 cycles of sleep followed by 9 waking? Or
> perhaps 4 cycles at night and 1 during the day sleeping as in the
> Mediterranean Siesta?
>
> Right and left brain dominance must alternate throughout the day... very
> interesting, as I have heard that men are more differentiated between
> the two hemispheres of the brain than women. This might explain the
> greater evidence of mood shifts in men. Controversial of course... On
> the other hand, it may explain why I find it hard to get out of bed in
> the morning... Maybe I should aim to get up a little earlier when I am
> in Left Brain mode. Just musings...
>
> Anyway, what has it got to do with Kundalini?... Let us recap.
>
> The human system is composed of a gross physical level and other, finer,
> systems. (Such as the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems? And
> more...) As people who have experienced kundalini awakenings, we know
> that there are connections between the body and more subtle, perhaps as
> yet undiscovered energies. Most of us have seen auras of some kind and
> most of us have experienced feelings associated with "chakras"- I have
> experienced these feelings at positions in the body such as the
> forehead, the top of the head, the throat, the heart, the base of the
> spine...
>
> These energies are fragile and are affected greatly by a variety of
> external influences such as diet, smoking, posture, fitness and so on.
> It seems a particularly important mechanism in generating the energy
> which makes up the subtle body is the breath. I maintain that breathing
> through the nose is important for chi or prana, whatever that is, which
> are two words for that basic energy.
>
> Many people breathe through their mouths, and I feel that is an
> inherently unhealthy thing to do. So is SMOKING of course...
>
> Is there any evidence for regions of the upper nasal passages which are
> responsible for "gathering" energy of some kind from the air? Is there
> any evidence for what prana or chi is? Has this been equated with any
> electro-magnetic energy or is it something different?
>
> It would make sense if there was something in these passages- remember
> that the membranes between there and the brain are very thin. Now,
> remember, there is evidence that the brain alternates between left and
> right brain dominance throughout the day, and it would appear that, if
> the chi or prana is picked up in the breath, then it is alternately
> "charging" one side of the brain/system and then the other.
>
> Kundalini appears to rise when there is a balance between the two
> dominant modes. There is some evidence that people stop breathing
> during some of their kundalini or samadhi experiences. Then a third mode
> appears, what we might call a unification mode. From the experiences I
> have read and my own experience, it appears that this mode does not
> usually last for longer than one or two hours.
>
> Perhaps we can postulate that a pre-requisite for the rise is meditation
> at just the right time, with a period of preparation beforehand.
>
> I share the feelings of many others that kundalini is not something to
> meddle with. I wouldn't like to see anyone attempt to use breathing to
> influence their kundalini. Far more important is a sincere desire to
> align oneself with Divine Will. However, I would like to understand
> more... Any other thoughts?
>
>
> If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
>
> Matthew 6.22
>
>
> Robert Chalmers
Very succinct, Robert. I'm enjoying your postings. Your pulling the information
together wonderfully and I appreciate it. Here's another part of the riddle.
We've discussed right/left shifts (with the nostrils, brain and spinal nerves)
but not with sound and the ears. here's an experience I had the other night that
I found enlightening!
I haven't had many powerful experiences with the K recently, but on this
particular night I woke very earlier in the morning and knew there was something
to be done. I've had a 'shamanic drumming' tape for the last 7 months that I
haven't listened to, and I pulled it out and listened to it on headphones for 45
minutes while in bed. It definitely started to balance my body, much like what
happens in deep meditation. My body was charged with a wonderful energy! I then
started back into sleep. As soon as I did I flipped into OutofBody Experience
mode and flew out my forehead into the stratosphere where I was hit with a ton of
Null energy(this is what I call the spirit energy which is neither positive or
negative, yin or yang, hot or cold.)
Anyways, this was one powerful experience, and I thought everyone would like to
know of the very balancing effects of this 'sound therapy'.
Veda
11 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Gnosticism and Exoterica
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Juliet wrote:
>>snip
> Would love to hear more about evidence of an historical, codified
> esoteric tradition in Christianity...
>
> J.
A resource for your above-stated desire is
http://www.webmast.com/bevhall/
Click on "the School of Soul Science"
The rest of the site is also informative.
--Bob