kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 234
1 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Robert Chalmers
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two
Karin Wrote:
>I'm feeling very slack about the writing my guidance is saying to get on
>with. One is about kundalini and Prigogine's Nobel prize winning theory of
dissipative >structures, where the brain is viewed as an open energy system
>and the perturbation caused by substantial increases of energy into the system
>(meditation increases energy by increasing alpha, theta and delta waves) causes
the
>system to either disintegrate or restructure at a higher level of intricacy.
>The other is about the bipolar theory of transpersonal states, which
>suggests that you get different experiences dependent on where you are re
>autonomic nervous system functioning, ie ennervation occurs during
>sympathetic nervous system cycle (kundalini experience) or high
>parasympathetic activity (Samadhi or unity consciousness).
>Research has found that nasal breathing dominance shifts in an ultradian
>cycle approx every 90 minutes. Right nostril dominant breathing is
>associated with higher brain activity in the left side of the brain and
>vica versa. So your brain activity shifts with your breathing. Experiments
>actually showed that you could change brain activity and the autonomic
>nervous system by forcing one nostril breathing. For me this raises more
>questions than it answers. With your yoga stuff are you aware of nostril
>dominance? When you reaccess your state, notice where your breathing is.
Your post is the first time I have learnt that there is indeed an association
between brain activity and "nostril dominance" and I would like to see the
evidence; of course, I had assumed this was so already. You say that these
ultradian cycles last for 90 minutes or so. Do they fit into a day?- i.e. Are
there normally 16 cycles in a day which more or less repeat themselves, so that
the same transferrance occurs at the same time every day between dominant modes?
Perhaps this ties in with 7.5 hours sleep, i.e. 5 cycles of sleep followed by 9
waking? Or perhaps 4 cycles at night and 1 during the day sleeping as in the
Mediterranean Siesta?
Right and left brain dominance must alternate throughout the day... very
interesting, as I have heard that men are more differentiated between the two
hemispheres of the brain than women. This might explain the greater evidence of
mood shifts in men. Controversial of course... On the other hand, it may explain
why I find it hard to get out of bed in the morning... Maybe I should aim to get
up a little earlier when I am in Left Brain mode. Just musings...
Anyway, what has it got to do with Kundalini?... Let us recap.
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The human system is composed of a gross physical level and other, finer, systems.
(Such as the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems? And more...) As people
who have experienced kundalini awakenings, we know that there are connections
between the body and more subtle, perhaps as yet undiscovered energies. Most of
us have seen auras of some kind and most of us have experienced feelings
associated with "chakras"- I have experienced these feelings at positions in the
body such as the forehead, the top of the head, the throat, the heart, the base
of the spine...
These energies are fragile and are affected greatly by a variety of external
influences such as diet, smoking, posture, fitness and so on. It seems a
particularly important mechanism in generating the energy which makes up the
subtle body is the breath. I maintain that breathing through the nose is
important for chi or prana, whatever that is, which are two words for that basic
energy.
Many people breathe through their mouths, and I feel that is an inherently
unhealthy thing to do. So is SMOKING of course...
Is there any evidence for regions of the upper nasal passages which are
responsible for "gathering" energy of some kind from the air? Is there any
evidence for what prana or chi is? Has this been equated with any
electro-magnetic energy or is it something different?
It would make sense if there was something in these passages- remember that the
membranes between there and the brain are very thin. Now, remember, there is
evidence that the brain alternates between left and right brain dominance
throughout the day, and it would appear that, if the chi or prana is picked up in
the breath, then it is alternately "charging" one side of the brain/system and
then the other.
Kundalini appears to rise when there is a balance between the two dominant modes.
There is some evidence that people stop breathing during some of their kundalini
or samadhi experiences. Then a third mode appears, what we might call a
unification mode. From the experiences I have read and my own experience, it
appears that this mode does not usually last for longer than one or two hours.
Perhaps we can postulate that a pre-requisite for the rise is meditation at just
the right time, with a period of preparation beforehand.
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I share the feelings of many others that kundalini is not something to meddle
with. I wouldn't like to see anyone attempt to use breathing to influence their
kundalini. Far more important is a sincere desire to align oneself with Divine
Will. However, I would like to understand more... Any other thoughts?
If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Matthew 6.22
Robert Chalmers
2 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: RE: The Naksatra Parade (The 3rd Star "KRITTIKA")
Dear Michael,
- I pray all is well.
I'm sorry if you are not liking the Vedic astrology posting. However,
they will not be back until next weekend. The star descriptions are a unique
presentation. I do not know of other works with this kind of content.
It has to do with vegetarianism because it has to do with karma. Some
people are vegetarian also for spiritual reasons. Vedic astrology also has to to
with yoga which begins with austerities such as vegetarianism. It has to do with
being single because it includes matchmaking. The brahminically minded prefer
astrological predictions also to decide on a marital relationship.
This is the only complaint I have seen from this sector. If others are
not wanting to see the unique nakastra postings I will restrict them to
participants only.
Hope you all have a great week!
Sincerely,
Christopher
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
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On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, MICHAEL RICHARDSON wrote:
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> Dear Everyone,
>
> Is it just me or is this "information" pushing the limits of Veg-Single a
> little too far. I would much rather read about issues unique to veg*nism and
> the state of being single than the third star of Krttika or whatever.
>
> Lost in space, Michael
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3 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: The Naksatra Parade (The 3rd Star "KRITTIKA")
The 3rd Star is Krttika. It is between 26 degrees 40 minutes Aries and
10 degrees Taurus.
"Krttika means the 'the axe'. It represents physical and creative force
or the energy to achieve greatness."
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"When the Moon is in the star of Krttika, the person is well-known and of
brilliant appearance."
("HOROSCOPE" by Tom Hopke)
When the Bride's moon is in Krttika (in Aries) her star match will be:
Bharani, Krttika, or Chitra. When the Bride's moon is in Krttika (in Taurus)
her star match will be: Krittika, Jyestha, Dhanishta, or Satabhisha.
When the Bridegroom's moon is in Krttika (in Aries) his star match will
be: Aswini, Krittika, or Chitta (in Libra). When the Bridegroom's moon is in
Krttika (in Taurus) his star match will be: Krttika (in Taurus), Mrigashira (in
Taurus), Jyestha, Dhanishtha (in Aquarius), and Satabhisha.
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
- ____________
4 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Help Me!
Robert Lear wrote:
>
> Please take me off the BBS immediately. Also you might tell those people who
> spend all their time sending in meaningless messages to get a life; like
> helping those less fortunate than themselves.
Who says we don't!!!
I will still be studying K but
> on my own. Great idea in theory. Robert Lear
Hello king_lear1
I hope this is not an Irony: King Lear would not hear truth from a
male and female that spoke the truth because of his arrogance and ended up
having to learn from his fool.
jan
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5 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two
Robert Chalmers wrote:
and I would
> like to see the evidence;
Hi all
Just and observation...
It's rather tough with evidence and K: on the one hand it is necessary to be
impartial, to distance ourselves, to research properly, to not accept easy
answers without thorough scrutiny. On the other hand, each of us is unique and
what works for one, may not for another and who knows if Ancient wisdom is what
we need if in fact we are evolving beyond those
parameters and contexts...
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So we live with Paradoxes and try to bring them into a meaningful whole. Not an
easy task.
jan
6 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Peter Norton
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two
Robert Chalmers wrote:
>
> If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
>
> Matthew 6.22
Verily! Why aren't people holding up signs with "MATT 6:22"
in the front row at Monday night football games?
hmmmm....
7 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Naksatra Parade (The 2nd Star "BHARANI")
Bharani is the 2nd Naksatra.
- "When the Moon is in the star of Bharani, the person is free from
disease, clever in doing their work, happy and dutiful."
("HOROSCOPE" by Tom Hopke)
When the Bride's moon is in the star of Bharani her matching signs will
be *Aswini, Bharani, Punarvasu, Swati, Uttarashadha, and Sravana.
When the Bridegroom's moon is in the star of Bharani his matching signs
will be *Aswini, Bharani, Krittika, Punarvasu, Swati, Uttarashadha (in
Capricorn), and Sravana.
- ("MUHURTHA" by B.V. Raman)
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
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8 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Naksatra Parade (1st Star "ASHWINI")
The first Naksatra "Ashwini" is found between 0 degrees and 13 degrees
20 minutes Aries.
"The term Ashwini is related to the Ashwini-Kumaras, who are celestial
demigods. They ride across the heavens in a golden chariot, healing people,
bringing light and happiness."
(Taken from "HOROSCOPE" by Tom Hopke)
When the bride's moon is in Aswini, her matching signs will be: Aswini,
*Bharani, Krittika, Pushyami, and Swati.
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
- can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
____________
9 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Naksatra Parade
To whom it may concern,
The Jyotir Veda Festival is roaring and well under way. We've completed
twelve horoscopes for participants. There has been a successful compatibility
study, two people in search of their star match, and much predictive advice has
been handed out.
Some of you may not be familiar with the Naksatra. Therefore, I will be
posting a brief description of each Naksatra. Stay tuned!
- This is Vedic astrology, so the sidereal calculations will appear
different from the tropical calculations. This has to do with the vernal
equinox. There are other differences which can be traced out historically.
We would like to thank those who have contributed to make this service
free of charge and available to everyone!
I hope you are all having a great day!
Sincerely,
-
Christopher
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
____________
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10 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996
From: "Your friend at:"
Subject: Naksatra Parade (1st Star "ASHWINI") (fwd)
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
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The first Naksatra "Ashwini" is found between 0 degrees and 13 degrees
20 minutes Aries.
"The term Ashwini is related to the Ashwini-Kumaras, who are celestial
demigods. They ride across the heavens in a golden chariot, healing people,
bringing light and happiness."
(Taken from "HOROSCOPE" by Tom Hopke)
- When the bride's moon is in Aswini, her matching signs will be: Aswini,
*Bharani, Krittika, Pushyami, and Swati.
When the bridegroom's moon is in Aswini, his matching signs will be:
Aswini, Mrigasira, Pushyami, Uttarashadha, and Sravana.
(Compatibility information is taken from B.V.Raman's "MUHURTHA".)
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
and a little advancement on this path
- can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
____________
11 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Re shoes and static charge
Never really thought about it until now, but I constantly had light bulbs blowing
out when I would walk near. Maybe it was a short in the house.
Thats what I thought. Only lasted a few weeks.
Electrically yours,
tg
12 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Mary Knapp
Subject: Re: Getting Your Wish
At 03:11 PM 11/11/96 -0800, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
>
>An ugly flash popped into my head that was like a plot for 'Tales From
>the Crypt'. I imagined some guy with a 'gift' misusing it to wish for
>'good' parkings spots and then winding up disabled and getting them for
>the rest of his life. YEOW!
Like, realllly baaad car karma???
SICK, SICK, Sick, sick...
I can't believe I never thought of it ;~}
->
13 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Hello
Fantastic to have you with us.. many warm hugs
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14 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Genesis, kabalist, and kundalini
ok.. help me with this..
Some time ago, I had a dream about molecules.. all connected with
bars... this was floating
and the molecule swayed and changed form only as to how the floating
affected it.
The circles/balls were red and gold and the connecting rods were
irridescent Blue or a vibrant green.
I remember watching it for a while and wondering what it was all
about.
The next day I went shopping and found some tarot cards.. They had
the name McGregor and a chinese name on the back as Illustrator and
some other credits. I bought them because of the name.. and
found my "molecule" on the back of each card.. I was told it was
the Tree of Life.. the Kabbalah.
I've tried understanding the tree of life symbol but its very
complicated.. I have a slight idea..
I think I am suppose to learn something more about it.
A friend of mine told me that in a past life, I martyred myself for
the children of the horror in WWII. and because of that karma, I was
back in this life as a reward. The very strange thing is.. All the
kids are attracted to me.. and the ones that seem to find a real
family kind of bonding have very german/jew last names.. Is this
part of it. I have had so many wild and major coincendences in the
past few years, I'm still reeling.. grin
flute
aka
Carolyn Maloney
15 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: A love gift.
from Flute
THe first poem I wrote
and I think its channeled..grin All rights Reserved
Copyrighted 7/93.
Unlimited
Waking passions and energy expand the
reality of Daylight Into creativity.
Dreams and images of the night cross
the boundaries of Time And
imagination.
- The soul is not limited by
reality,
only the images of Itself being
bound.
Would that all Awareness be unlimited
and unchained
Free upon the wind to pass wherever
destiny leads
One moment into another, always
- progressing,
Fading Away the tomorrows into
yesterdays.
Leaving the joys and moments
shared in reality,
Into remembrances and
fantasy, Untouched by time
Fear and its demons,
always present and demanding,
- created The word REGRET.
The awareness of Regret being the
Realization of the LIMITATIONS
we set.
7/6/93 Carolyn Maloney
16 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996
From: Prafulla Gang
Subject: Those interested on vedic astrology
I understand you are keen on vedic astrology. We few students of vedic
astrology are going to start thread on festival mailing list on vedic
astrology. Would you like to join us on the list and participate with us
on discussions.
Will you tell us more about too.
-
Prafulla Gang
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From: Your friend at:[SMTP:cjf01ATNOSPAMgnofn.org]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 1996 5:57 PM
To: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com; VEG-SINGLEATNOSPAMEmpire.Net
Subject: Re: Horoscope information (fwd)
I am distributing this message with the permission of the author.
Please
excuse any inconvenience this evidence may create.
"Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose,
and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus,
the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many branched."
(Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.41)
_________________
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: Re: Horoscope information
Christopher,
Thank you for your very detailed reading. While a lot of it was over my head, I
have been told to do more research in Vedic Astrology. I appreciate you
providing this service free of charge as well. Knowledge is a wonderful gift
and I thank you for it.
-
In Service to the Light,
17 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: Re: Re/Re/Re-responding
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Philip St. Romain wrote:
>
> Who says the deities of religion are
> "merely extraneous." The God I worship is both transcendent and > immanent.
>
> The idea of awakening and then trying to integrate kundalini outside > of a
> context of relationship with Higher Power seems terribly naive and > fraught
> with danger.
There has been a lot of talk of late about the importance of working with
kundalini vis a vis "divine will." In Tibetan Buddhism, however, "God" or
"Divine Will" does not figure into the final equation--though they most certainly
do work with what we regard as kundalini. In Buddhism, of course, the ultimate
is impersonal, the void.
There *are* personifications, dieties, anthropomorphized forms used in Buddhist
visualization practices, etc--but this is, I think, something quite different
than what is usually intended here when people use the term divine will.
Just thought it was interesting to consider that the Vedic/Christian influenced
approaches to kundalini (particularly with regard to the notion of "divine will")
may not be the only "safe" or spiritually valid ones. My guess is that a
Mahayana Buddhist would regard this as primitive. Taoist practices probably would
be interesting to compare as well.
J.
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18 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996
From: Juliet
Subject: Re: Gnosticism and Exoterica
Philip St. Romain wrote:
(juliet writing:)
> >
> >The word on the street is that the gnostics had some measure of > >esoteric
> >teachings that the church proper withheld from people...
>
(Philip:)
> What street is that, Juliet?
The paranoid/conspiracy/pop culture/new age street--right near the corner of
Hollywood Screenwriter Blvd.
But I try to keep an open mind...
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(juliet:)
> >I guess what I'm curious about is: do you think that there has always
> >been an exoteric and an esoteric aspect to the church (and other
> >organized religions)? The esoteric holding the keys to
> >kundalini-related teachings? Or do you see it (k) as more capricious?
(Philip:)
> Definitely--an exoteric and esoteric dimension to any tradition
> (including
> the new age, by the way), and the two exist in a certain necessary
> tension.
> To overdo the exoteric turns religion into a matter of roles, rules,
> and
> obligations.
I guess I'm wondering about this relative to the dialogue going on right now
about Genesis, etc. The idea seems to be that some esoteric information is
"coded" into the OT (possibly an idea from the same street as above). If that's
not the case, then how and where, I wonder, would there be an esoteric expression
in Christianity? If there is an esoteric aspect to Christianity, wouldn't there
be some (equally esoteric) reflection in the primary text of the tradition?
I don't think that we have to assume that (as I think was mentioned in a post of
the last few days) the OT as we know it today was actually written intact. There
are certainly very good arguments for interpolation at various points in history
(a good book about this is "Who Wrote The Bible?").
Would love to hear more about evidence of an historical, codified esoteric
tradition in Christianity...
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J.