kundalini-l-d Digest                            Volume 96 : Issue 233 

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 
From: veda002 
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two

And here's a follow up to my follow up!

Robert, it seems that your right on about the right and left nostril and the
left/right nerves.  But that just my feeling. Please report if you find any
documentation....

veda



Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 
From: mabATNOSPAMrio.com (Margaret A. Blaine)
Subject: krn conference

Dear Mark,
    I sent you an E-mail which was returned.  So here goes again.
     The list has been hoping maybe we could link up with KRN when they have
their conference next year.  Would you know who to contact about
this?
    Margaret


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Footware For "K"

  Hi All,

  I came home tonight and found a ton of e-mail asking
  me about Footwear from Viet Nam.

-  I'm not a shoe salesman and I get no kickback from this.

  Energy will leave and enter your body from your head, hands,
  and your feet.
  If your feet are "Killing You" then you can't possibly concentrate
  on the path that you have chosen.
  And, if you are wearing the wrong type of footwear. Your energy
  could be draining out of you into the ground or could be blocking
  negative energy from leaving your body and positive energy from
  entering your body.
-  
  The theory goes... If you are caught in a thunder and lightning
  storm. Do not get out of your car because the rubber tires on your car
  will ground you should your car be struck by lightning.

  So, it makes sense to wear footwear made from car tires.

  The excess static electricity that "K" builds up will be drained
  out of your body and into the ground.

-  Here's a few other tips.
  Never wear "High Heels"
  Never wear shoes with leather soles.
  Never, Ever wear clothing made from synthetic materials such
  as Polyester, Nylon, Rayon etc. These materials will drain energy
  from your body and provide little warmth on cold days.
  Wear clothing made only from Cotton, Wool, Hemp.
  Wool has a special characteristic to it that it will repel any negative
  energy that someone might be sending your way.
  It will also still keep you warm when it gets wet.
-
  Back to the shoes..

  The sandals made in Viet Nam come under the name of..
  "Teva Sandals"  They can be found in most Cost Plus Stores.
   They have either leather or Hemp tops.
   I have the hemp tops and recommend them highly. About $15.00

  "Huaraches"  Made in Guadalajara, Mexico
   Leather uppers. Very comfortable and will last many years.
-   Found in most Cost Plus Stores. About $20.00

  Merrell Footwear of Burlington, VT.
  Soles are recycled tires and uppers are cotton and hemp.
  40,000 mile warranty.
  Sneakers, Sandals, Hiking shoes and more.
  For a dealer near you send e-mail to... WefitATNOSPAMkarhu.ca
  I've never tried these and don't know the price.

  Hempispure
-  Soles are recycled tires and uppers ar 100% hemp.
  Tennis shoes, deck shoes, oxfords, sandals an more.
  These are excellent shoes but expensive.
  $60.00 for mens sizes and $55.00 for womens sizes.
  I have a pair of their tennis shoes and they've lasted me
  ten years now.
  Just toss them in the washing machine to clean.
  For a dealer near you, send e-mail to...
  HempmistressATNOSPAMhempispure

-  Enough of this shoe stuff. Here's a joke for you.

  I recently moved into a new apartment and there was this switch
  on the wall that didn't do anything...so anytime I had nothing to do,
  I'd just flick the switch up and down...up and down...up and down.
  Then one day I got a letter from a women in Germany...
  It just said, "Cut It Out"

  Steven Wright
  
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Michael Heyns 
Subject: Footwear for K

Hi jim,

In response to you idea on wearing shoes with tyre soles. 

In South africa there are two types of tyre soled footwear.
The first and least interesting is a brand of Hiking boot made by a
company called Lubbe situated in Stellenbosch in the SW Cape.

The second, and far more interesting are the sandals made by Zulu men in Natal.
The entire sandal is constructed of tyre and they are extremely comfortable.

Regards,
Michael Heyns 
Computer Networks
Tel +27 21 245008
Fax +27 31 245009
http://www.comnet.co.za
mheynsATNOSPAMcomnet.co.za



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: wrigaATNOSPAMsisna.com (Anne Wright)
Subject: Re: muscle bound
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As far as the muscle and neck pain, I just wanted to add that mine is killing me.
My neck and shoulders are as tight as a sling shot. I have started taking the
magnesium and calcium. Others seem to be experiencing the same thing. Does anyone
have suggestions for some exercises or yoga poses? Thanks Anne



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: krn conference

Forgive my ignornace, but I'm not sure what the KRN Conference is exactly. Can
you give me a little information about it? Then maybe I can research and see what
I can do to help.

Mark



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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two

> Robert Chalmers wrote:
> >
> 
> I read in an unknown book several years ago that the breath in the 
> human
> body alternates every (approximately) two hours from one side to the
> other.  This alternation is evidenced by the breath being 
> predominantly
> through one nostril and then through the other. This is hard to 
> believe,
> but if you do follow your breathing you will see that it is in fact
> quite true! 

> The breathing may be an external symptom of the
> ida/pingali phenomenon. Does anyone have any thoughts?
-
There is a very basic pranayama called "alternate nostril breathing."  You can
read the directions for this in most basic yoga books.  Further, there is left
nostril only breathing ("lunar pranayama") and right nostril only breathing
practices as well.  Pranayama with right or left nostril breathing only might be
prescribed to correct imbalances--breathing on the side that needs to be
strengthened.

Generally speaking, I think it is regarded as safe to practice left only on your
own (we tend to be right dominant in this culture) but right only should be
undertaken under supervision or reccommendation of a qualified ayurvedic
practitioner.  Check a yoga text for the various ratios between in breath, out
breath and retentions if you are interested in experimenting (typical is 1:4:2,
with 1 being the inhale, 4 the retention of the inhale, 2 the exhale, and no
retention on exhale)

It is common knowledge in yoga circles that during the course of the day we
periodically alternate between the left ("lunar") nostril and the right ("solar")
one.  And yes, this is correlated (by yogis) with ida/pingala.  

A good text is Iyengar's "Light on Pranayama" or "Light on Yoga."

Juliet



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Footware For "K"

Jim Cook wrote:
> 
> snip

>   The theory goes... If you are caught in a thunder and lightning
>   storm. Do not get out of your car because the rubber tires on your car
>   will ground you should your car be struck by lightning.

I'v got to cut in here to correct a misunderstanding of electricity.
If you are in your car and a power pole comes down and the wires hit
your car, you and your car are relatively UN-grounded; rubber is an
insulator (wet rubber isn't such a great insulator for high voltage, but
the high static charge built up on the car gould take some time to drain
off through the wet tires).
If you were to get out of the car, with part of you touching the car and
part of you touching the ground (your foot), you might get fried.
If lightening hits your car with a direct hit, its anybodys guess what
might happen. Lightening is strange, powerful stuff. Theoretically, you
should be protected if you keep from touching metal inside the car, as
the electric charge will flow around the frame of the car, charging it,
and slowly bleed off into the ground, but it could possibly jump around
inside- electricity follows the path of least resistance.
 
>   So, it makes sense to wear footwear made from car tires.
> 
>   The excess static electricity that "K" builds up will be drained
>   out of your body and into the ground.

Actually, rubber tires would insulate you and help you to hold a static charge.
I'm not so sure that K builds up a static charge; has anyone experienced this?
i.e., getting electric shocks when touching something grounded like a
waterfaucet. If so, you would be better off, IMO, going barefoot or at the most,
whearing leather-soled shoes- no sneakers or other rubber soles. Now if the tires
were steel-belted radials, thats another story ;)
--Bob



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: "Sumesh Choudhari" 
Subject: Newcomer

I joined the group few weeks a ago. And have been  reading the articles
with interest.
Being a hindu, I have been exposed to Kundalini, Yoga, Tantra  most of my
life. I have read a few books on the subject. I would like to hear the
experience's of ordinary people who are undergoing this opening or rise of
kundalini. How does it start, what are the first sign's; physical and
psychological effects? I have a lot of questions.

Om Shanti Shanti!
Sumesh.



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re shoes and static charge

For a long time after "K" I had huge globs of static electricity discharging from
me.  when i would touch anything not the usual sparks but globs sometimes as
large as golf balls.

Don't know what this means for shoes we should wear but I prefer to go barefoot
as much as I can.  Helps keep me grounded to mother earth.

Love Jule



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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Footware For "K"

Dorman, Robert wrote:
> 
>  If you are in your car and a power pole comes down and the wires hit
> your car, you and your car are relatively UN-grounded; rubber is an
> insulator (wet rubber isn't such a great insulator for high voltage, but
> the high static charge built up on the car gould take some time to drain
> off through the wet tires).
I just re-read my post and have to make a correction. Sorry. A power
pole carries AC; therefore, there would be no charge buildup on the car-
that would only happen with a lightening strike. However, if you were to
get out of the car, the circuit path would be completed between the AC
power wire, your car, YOU and ground, and you would be...toast!



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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Re: dominance paradigm Part 1:SM Shamanism.

At 00:13 12/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Angelique,
>
>I was surprised at how much I enjoyed your post.  It takes a special presence
>of mind to deal with incongruity (the Koan).  
-  Thankyou! How warming.
>It challenged me to imagine
>living completely in an incongruous situation as I imagine that you do.
>
>Then it struck me that we all live in various forms of incongruity, the
>perception of which is deeply affected by our own bias.
Bingo! 
My life is not so strange to me, I sometimes wonder why other people find it so.
And for me: imagining life in a repressive 9 to 5 office world, without
magic....terrifying nightmare. Don't go there.
->
>I raise cattle that I perceive as unique and loving creatures sharing this
>journey with me as their benefactor and ultimately--their executioner.
> Should I cease and raise trees instead to turn into paper?  Should I head to
>the mountains and drink my water only in the daylight?  The wheel of life
>turns on and nothing consisting of matter (to my knowledge) escapes its
>turning.
No. You have created your world as you need it to be, in the moment.
Tomorrow you may decide you need mountains, but we only ever have today,
this moment.
-  It is an interesting meditation, to contemplate the nonexistence of time, and
the consensuality of life, and to then consider that serial killer and victim
agreed to play out thier roles before birth.
>
>Who is the crueler--you or I?   
>Love without judgement--It is a wonderful feeling.
  I do not think of either of us as cruel.
  I am an artistic snob, as a sadist. I am really only willing to excercise
my talent for torture with those few individuals who offer so much
appreciation, thay are willing to beg, flatter and bribe me to experience
those aspects of my being. 
If they are willing to go to those lengths, I can be certain that for them,
it is a positive, valued and needed experience. That I do no harm.
  You are Lord of the cattle. They depend on you for a happy life and a
gentle death.
Were they wild, their lives would be stressful, and thier deaths unpleasant,
in my judgement. After so many centuries of human guided evolution, to
attempt to release them into the wild would be the cruelest thing. They have
lost those instincts.

-  It has actually been discovered, that rabbits need a certain amount of
stress to stay healthy. Their place in creation is dinner for anything
carnivrous and hungry. They have adapted to that role.
They are also blessed with an unusual ability to rebsorb their fetus', if
the environment is too harsh for the survival of mother and young. They can
unpregnant themselves, reabsorb the energy of creation for thier own survival.
Goddess is hard on bunnies, yet she blesses them with birth control for
extreme situations.
>
>And may peace be with Hitler tonight, wherever he is, for the one he hated
>most was himself.
>
>Joe
Yea indeed. My deepest pities are reserved for those poor souls whose life
mission it is to be the manifestation of bad karma, to allow others thier
evolution. What goes around comes around, they do not have happy lives. Nor is
the strange evolutionary favor they grant ever appreciated. Brrr. A cold place.
 'Sympathy for the devil'. Is that a mark of some kind of progress in
understanding good and evil? The wisdom and maturity of Angels. All things are
deserving of love.
-                        Blessings, Angelique.
 

                   Mistress Angelique Serpent, 
                Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
            Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
        *******************
"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are opening out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
                         Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Genesis, kundalini, mythology

Philip St. Romain wrote:
> 
> I liked your response to Aaron, Jan.  The serpent has many different
> meanings in the mythologies of the world (and, yes, Genesis is Jewish
> mythology).  

Thanks for another fascinating and provokative post!  Always a pleasure to read
your commentary...  
-
> don't think it's a kundalini symbol, either--at least > not
> primarily so. 

I am puzzeled by this, though.  Do you mean the snake's appearance in mythology
predates it's incorporation into kundalini symbolism?  What about the Hermetic
caduceus as alchemical achetype (and its precise correlation with ida/pingala
representations)?  What about the traditional vedic 1st chakra representations of
the snake coiled at the base of the spine?  Do these uses not predate the Genesis
myth?  
-
In my own subjective experience, serpent symbology--almost as a kind of primal
logos--is emblematic of kundalini.  

What are the earliest references we have (either implied or direct) to kundalini
in ancient literature?  Would you acknowledge Patanjali?  And how can we begin to
trace these appearances through history (both with and without the serpent
semiology)?  Is anybody aware of scholarly work in this area?
 
> If the serpent is seen as kundalini, and the tree of the knowledge of > good
> and evil is self-consciousness, there could be a connection in that
> kundalini is definitely "the energy of awareness."

Yes, the first articulation of "other."  Good/evil as subject/object, the simple
binary...  
 
> Who was the snake, then?  In the above interpretation, it could be
> identified as an astral being of malevolent will...

hmmmm....
-
> taking the form of 
> the
> kundalini symbol to arouse in the first ones an inkling of their
> evolutionary history (there would be an archetypal vibration, here).

This is certainly how it operated--at least in part--in my case.  But why
malevolent?  Simply to establish a binary dichotomy?  I wonder if you have
overlooked here the obvious correlation though of the (simple) tree in the garden
with the (complex) tree ("tree of life") of sephiroth... the identification, in
turn, of the tree of sephiroth with the caduceus of Hermes.  The ultimate play of
the snake would be, in this case, functionally inseperable from the tree in its
ultimate form in an almost mandelbrot way. 

I realize you are saying yours is only *one* reading...

> I would maintain with a few others that the Christian
> experience of the Holy Spirit is not exactly the same thing.  The 
> seraph
> serpents in Numbers 21: 6 on is intriquing, is it not?
-
Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many
Israelites died.

Hmmmm... yes.  And what about that Exodus classic:

2       Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?" "A             
staff,"
he replied. 
3       The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the  
ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it. 
4       Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by         
the
tail." So Moses breached out and took hold of the snake and     it turned
back into a staff in his hand. 
5       "This," said the LORD, "is so that they may believe that the           
LORD,
the God of their fathers--the God of Abraham, the God of                Isaac and
the
God of Jacob--has appeared to you." 
-
Not that I am suggesting that this would qualify as a kundalini reference...
nevertheless, if you do know of coherent academic/historical work in this area
please share.  If not, it may be high time for some...

Juliet



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Sandrak 
Subject: Re: K

Hi there,

I am pretty stoaked to be on this listserv.
it inspires me to practice yoga daily.
i believe that breathing is the most essential part, thank you Carolyn.

Sandrak
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On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, CAROLYN MALONEY wrote:

> Use Prana.. the Breath to help balance and open the blockage.  Sit in 
> the yoga position as much as possible.. (it makes you sit up 
> straight) pull in your chin.. this way you have a good pathway.. Then 
> breathe deeply and focus on the Third chakra and on the color you 
> associate with this chakra.
> You may have some emotion issue that is blocking. 
> However its also possible that you have suppressed the energy in that 
> area (center) and simply need to allow it to flow again.  Energy by 
> nature has to move and flow.. smile
> flute
> aka Carolyn Maloney
> 
> 

Peace out,
Sandy Schmeil
:)
-



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Robert Chalmers 
Subject: Re: Kundalini Hypothesis or Two

>It is common knowledge in yoga circles that during the course of the >day we
periodically alternate between the left ("lunar") nostril and >the right
("solar") one.  And yes, this is correlated (by yogis) with
>ida/pingala.  

>A good text is Iyengar's "Light on Pranayama" or "Light on Yoga."

That was probably where I read it.  Now check this.  A few years ago I went into
hospital to have a deviated septum (crooked nose) straightened.  This let me
breathe properly and not intermittently through both nostrils.  I mentioned the
fact about alternating breathing to my surgeon who did not have a clue and was
totally oblivious to this fact, again which can be readily observed. 
-
Robert



Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: Genesis, kabalist, and kundalini

Tim Duna wrote:
> ...
>         It seems that in the bible, we find things that scholars are
> baffeled about and ignore.  Why does it contain so many references to body
> parts, animals, oil, stones, etc?  These are all symbols, or metaphysical
> tools that are congruent with kabalistic or Coptic ideals.  Tell me, what
> the heck is the 'lamb of God' anyway?  Somehow, through the translations, we
> have lost the knowledge encrypted through symbol into the texts.

my $0.02: pardon me if it sounds patronizing, but watch out for 
'projection' here.  there are multiple levels of 
meaning in anything, especially so in writings that are really inspired,
such as Genesis.  No doubt your interpretations have validity, but 
whether or not the authors were intentionally encrypting an
esoteric message is another question.  Poets often do not
realize the full import of what they are saying, which is 
why it is called 'inspiration', nez pa?

Taken to an extreme, one gets Charles Manson thinking the Beatles are  writing
him messages in 'Helter Skelter', or David Koresh thinking  he has deciphered the
seven seals etc.
-
everything is punning on everything else, dont take it too seriously.

"All things are parodies of each other" - Georges Bataille

which is maybe why there is always a Big Laugh when realisation strikes.

cheers


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Re shoes and static charge

SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> For a long time after "K" I had huge globs of static electricity discharging
> from me.  when i would touch anything not the usual sparks but globs
> sometimes as large as golf balls.
> 
> Don't know what this means for shoes we should wear but I prefer to go
> barefoot as much as I can.  Helps keep me grounded to mother earth.
> 
> Love Jule

Interesting, Jule - 
I'm a "K-vet" and go barefoot as much as possible. Also can't tolerate  hats.
Maybe no connection -  but who knows?
Eileen
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: A love gift Reply

Dear Angelique,
I am so happy to hear that you are not leaving us- even if it does mean a
financial sacrifice for you!  So glad to know you will be a part of the list
without having to leave- so you may continue to share with us, learn from us, and
understand that we have all been there- or we all will be if not yet.   Thank you
for the words from the song- they were full of love, understanding and very
encouraging.

Light and love to you and your faeries,
Lori



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 
From: "Your friend at:" 
Subject: Re: Horoscope information (fwd)

I am distributing this message with the permission of the author.  Please excuse
any inconvenience this evidence may create.

             "Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose, 
             and their aim is one.  O beloved child of the Kurus, 
-        the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many branched."
                        (Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.41)
              _________________


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Subject: Re: Horoscope information

Christopher,
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Thank you for your very detailed reading.  While a lot of it was over my head, I
have been told to do more research in Vedic Astrology.  I appreciate you
providing this service free of charge as well.  Knowledge is a wonderful gift and
I thank you for it.

In Service to the Light,