kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 225 

1 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: "Your friend at:" 
Subject: Bhakti-yoga

To whom it may concern, 

-	I had some people ask me for information regarding Bhakti-yoga.  I
will include some websites below.  They are a good place to start.  Some
of the more advanced topics may not be easily found on the web.  For more
advanced topics you may write to me in private if you wish.  

Sincerely, 

Christopher

                "In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
-                      and a little advancement on this path 
              can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
                           (Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
                   ____________

   Linkname: The Yamas
        URL: http://www.eu.spiritweb.org/Spirit/Yoga/yamas.html

   Linkname: Astanga Yoga
   Filename:
-          http://www.eu.spiritweb.org/Spirit/Yoga/Overview.html#Astanga




   Linkname: Bhagavad-gita As It Is -- Table of Contents
        URL: http://www.webcom.com/~btg/gita/toc.html



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2 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: Nocturnal Cyclic

>Now my questions to you on the list: Have others known the manifestations
mainly in a >light sleep? And has anyone else noticed any sort of cyclic nature
to the energy? >Eileen

Hi, for me, K manifests _mostly_ in sleep.  I never had a full K-A, but had 
a kind of aborted K-A after a seven day meditation retreat, but since then
the only physical K symptoms I experience are in sleep, except for the 
low-level head vibrations that occasionally perk in daytime.  
During sleep, I will get the whole-body crawling
skin sensation and intense heart-chakra emotions and sensations of light in 
my body and (very rarely) out-of-body
experiences.  I remember them because they wake me up.  I suppose the
ones that don't wake me up, I dont remember.  Nothing as intense as
jackhammers up the spine, though.  

I once had a dream where there was just black space and
these pulses of light cycling in a 3 dimensional orbit with the same
shape as  the brain-spinal cord!

It is pretty infrequent, about once a month.  And I havent noticed any kind
of cyclic pattern to it.  My meditation schedule is pretty erratic which
may explain that.  They seem to be triggered more when I am meditating
regularly, or have just read some spiritual writing that moved me.

I read about a famous meditation/biofeedback researcher (whose name I forget)
in the book 'Through the Labyrinth' by Peter Ochiogrosso, and it was
interesting that he has established that the EEG of deep meditation is similar
to that of non-REM deep sleep.  So it is reasonable that our spiritual
consciousness would be active in sleep.  I have also read some Yogi maintain
that we ALL enter Cosmic Consciousness in deep non-dream sleep, and if we
didn't, we would all go really crazy.

One small experience of awakening I had came during meditation when I was
really sleepy and going in and out of the dream state spontaneously, but kept
trying to come back to awareness.  During one of the transitions as I came out
of the dream state into awareness, there was an electrical shock through my
whole body and there was a big AHA! without any 'I'!  It was like a brief flash,
though it went away, it charged my whole body up with energy for a day or so.

Anyway, who says sleep is 'wasted time'?  Not me!

cheers,
Peter


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3 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
 
Subject: hot flashes

Hello all,

I recently had a Reiki healing done and was told that I had a block between
my second and third chakras.  I was also told that my liver was "congested".
The healer told me that she worked on opening the blockage in the chakras
and succeeded in doing so to an extent.

Although I felt nothing at the time of the healing itself, since that time I
have noticed that I am getting hot flashes and sweating quite a bit.  I have
also felt very dizzy at times and disoriented (more than my usual amount :)
).  In addition to this, I had written in once before about a tingling
between my shoulder blades.  I was told that this was a "temporary chakra"
that was opening.  I hadn't felt any more tingling until after the healing.
Now I feel that it is always there, even if I am not consciously aware of it
(if that makes sense).
-
There is no sense of pain or discomfort with this, in fact I am quite
excited at the possibilities of what this could mean.  I was hoping someone
out there could help shed some light on my situation.  Are hot flashes and
sweating common in getting k awakened?

I know I have a LONG way to go, but the fact that this may be progress is
very encouraging.

Thanks for your help.
-
In Service to the Light,





4 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: schwalmATNOSPAMsonatech.com (Randall Schwalm)
Subject: Re: Nocturnal Cyclic
-

>>Now my questions to you on the list: Have others known the manifestations
>mainly in a >>light sleep? And has anyone else noticed any sort of cyclic
nature to the > energy? >>Eileen
Elileen,

Light sleep is a great place to ballence to chakra certers and for K.  For
me I started with OBE experinces 3 years ago and have helped with much. I
evan at much luch break now will have the jolt experiences.... I feel they
are the spirit for readjusting back to the body in a new improved way.  Now
in a light sleep you may have an astral travel which is based more in an
abstract plane where an OBE Out of body is more firm in clear dimensional
travel.

Someone said it they real a lound humming and crakling electricity..... This
sometimes is heard when in an OBE and tune is is done to the radio waves....
some energy beings avoid the earth due to the loud deafening sounds of
waves....Reading this list I feel this points out why so many people are
drawn to nature.... no Current waves from appliences and reduced radio
waves...... If anyone ever really gets out in the boonies way from from any
electrical lines...etc... it is so charging..... the real earth current "the
divine mother" litteraly comes through.. But as far as light sleep I feel we
as souls can leave to a more healthy place when in this light sleep.... our
true spirit selves wake up more and receive nurishment....so when we jolt
back in to our bodies I feel this is hour we get altered molecularly and
improved chakras....

Randy. 

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5 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: New to the list

At 08:12 AM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Tim,
>
>Sure smudge would work for clearing the area.... my experience though is
>that "talking boards"  attract only low level spirits....  dark
>trixters..... as some call them.
>
>What have you leaned that says the spirits you communicate throught the
>board are of a higher light vibration?
>
>My giudes have had me work many a time with table tipping but not with a board.
>
>I would like to know more......
>
>Randy


Randy,


        I am actually clairaudient now and no longer have a need to rely
upon a talking board.  I have learned that divine beings are able to come
closer to the earth plane than before, that they can indeed be contacted
through talking boards.  Jane Roberts contacted Seth first through a talking
board, it is the misuse of the talking board that get's everyone's
attention.  Usually, they are used by teenagers who are using it as a toy or
game, which it is *not*.  If you don't ask for the protection, you aren't
always going to be given it.  There are beings out there who do keep other
spirit's in check, I call them spirit bouncers.  The circle is a very real
instant claim of space for privacy upon the astral realm, a guide can and
will very easily draw one for you.  A dark trickster isn't able to enter a
claimed space, whether it's a house, or a circle.  It took me a while to
learn these laws of the astral, before I was quite green and ignorant of
them.  What I have found is that it is very similar to nature.  
-

Tim
   



6 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: Solar plexus 
-
Jari wrote:

>The energy seems to stop at my
>Solar Plexus Chakra or skip it completely. Then when I concentrate on
>the third Chakra and bring energy consciously to it, I start getting
>spasms. Works every time. And for the past two weeks, I've had "pain" in
>the spine right where the third Chakra is, though I only feel it when I
>consciously think about the region or do energy work.

-
Jari,


        There are different positions for the chakra's spinal openings,
meaning that they aren't exactly in the spine where they lie in the front.
The actual solar plexus spinal opening is at about the heart chakra frontal
opening.  The base chakra's spinal opening is just above the very beginning
of the crack in the butt, for lack of a better term.  I guess the very
beginning of the back may be better.  The second chakra, the sex, lies a
little ways upward on the spine, around the solar plexus region.  Here is
where your blocks may be.  Try working upon the sex chakra and see how the
pain is.  Pain in a chakra usually indicates it trying to open up.  Also,
you should try to make attempts at some point to clear some of the higher
chakras, like heart or solar plexus onward, so that the energy has a path to
move if you stir up too much in the lower two chakras.  A good book on this
stuff is "Kundalini and the Chakras" by Genevieve Lewis Paulson.   



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7 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: hot flashes

At 04:12 PM 11/8/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I recently had a Reiki healing done and was told that I had a block between
>my second and third chakras.  I was also told that my liver was "congested".
>The healer told me that she worked on opening the blockage in the chakras
>and succeeded in doing so to an extent.

        Between the second and third lies the navel.  Although there is also
the  high sex chakras inbetween.  There are actually three sex chakras.  My
guess is that it would be the navel.  It is a *very* emotional center, many
bloackages that relate to other chkaras can be found here.

>Although I felt nothing at the time of the healing itself, since that time I
>have noticed that I am getting hot flashes and sweating quite a bit.  I have
>also felt very dizzy at times and disoriented (more than my usual amount :)
>).  In addition to this, I had written in once before about a tingling
>between my shoulder blades.  I was told that this was a "temporary chakra"
>that was opening.  I hadn't felt any more tingling until after the healing.
>Now I feel that it is always there, even if I am not consciously aware of it
>(if that makes sense).

        Makes perfect sense, you have opened an energy center.  The hot
flashes and sweating can be explained.  They are most likely caused by a
releasing of energy through the solar nerve, pingala.  It is the masculine
polarity, is positive in electrical terms, and is hot.  The dizziness and
disorientation are side effects of energy being released, I get this too.  A
pingala release can bring decreased appetite, restlessness, and make it hard
to concentrate on things.
  
        For me, I have been experiencing the opposite, cold flashes and
chills.  What I have noticed is that when some energy releases, it tends to
spread throughout the body, as the channel isn't fully clear yet.  When this
happens, the coldness is dispersed throughout the body, making me colder
than I was before.  I imagine the same is happening to you but heat instead
of cold.  



8 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: Tim Duna 
Subject: Re: New to the list

Just an apology to everyone about this post, it was meant for e-mail and I
goofed.  
-


9 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: rjills 
Subject: Re: Respnse to Mistress Angelique

Yes, Phil, Im afraid Id have to agree with you about religion, etc. being a
part of this list.  There other lists (lots) for these things.  I do not think
K. and religion or even God need to go together. (Because, after all, each has
his own definition of God.) If K. takes you to great hieghts, great. But why
drag in extraneous identities?  It only rankles some and is of no interest to
others.  Just my opinion. Royale



10 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Respnse to Mistress Angelique

rjills wrote:
But why drag in extraneous identities?  It only
> rankles some and is of no interest to others. 

Hi

Perhpas because it was just those "extraneous others" who released the K 
in me?  I'll abide by your wish not to talk of it here, but "they" were 
not 'extraneous'.  It was not a purely 'human' phenomena nor expeience.

Have a nice day.

jan



11 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: "Your friend at:" 
Subject: Jyotir Veda Festival (fwd)

-                "In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
                      and a little advancement on this path 
              can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
                           (Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
                   ____________

To whom it may concern, 

	I have decided to host a Jyotir Veda festival this weekend.  All
are invited to participate.  It does not matter your age, gender, economic
status, skin tone, national origin, educational status, political or
philosophical belief.  I will be offering horoscopes, compatibility
studies, pertinent information, referrals, mediation, and counseling.
This will end at 10 am monday cst.  No charge, first come first serve
basis.

	I will need your time of birth, the city and state where you were
born, and your date of birth (month, day and year).  If you do not know
the exact time then give me a rough estimate.  Let me know if you are
uncertain about your time of birth. 
-
Sincerely, 

Christopher

                "In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
                      and a little advancement on this path 
              can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
                           (Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
                   ____________
-


12 Date: Fri,  8 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: K (solar plexus)

meditation sound.... so hum
or better yet.. sat nam.. that rhymes with but mom..
it means "Truth is my identity"
inhale deeply and chant a long saaaaat as you inhale, feeling the 
energy rise and
then and a very breif "nam" exiting the breath.

. 



13 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: "Your friend at:" 
Subject: Jyotir Vedic Festival (fwd)

To whom it may concern, 

	I have had four people ask me for horoscope information.  I'm
sorry we don't have interpretations to run off for you at the present
time.  It takes a little to process a chart so I am not always able to
answer certain questions you may have placed.  I need to know if you are
interested in finding your star match.  This especially concerns those
from the Vegetarian singles mailing list.  If you do not want all or part
of your horoscope distributed to others then please stipulate this when
you request horoscope information.  Otherwise I will assume that you do
not mind.  

	The easiest thing for me to do is to send you a copy of your
horoscope.  I may be able to answer well placed questions regarding the
planets in their signs especially if they are presented before the entire
mailing list.  I will do the best I can to help you out barring human
limitations. 

-	Hope you are all having a great day!

Sincerely, 

Christopher

                "In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
                      and a little advancement on this path 
              can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
                           (Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
-                   ____________



14 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: rjills 
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Respnse to Mistress Angelique]

Jan Watson wrote:
> 
> rjills wrote:
> But why drag in extraneous identities?  It only
> > rankles some and is of no interest to others.
> 
> Hi
> 
> Perhpas because it was just those "extraneous others" who released the K
> in me?  I'll abide by your wish not to talk of it here, but "they" were
> not 'extraneous'.  It was not a purely 'human' phenomena nor expeience.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> jan
> 
> .-Jan. I know that K. is awakened in many , many different types of
backgrounds for people.  However, because there is a coincidence doesnt mean
there has to be a causal relationship. It just doesnt matter what the
circumstances were because there are so many, perhaps as many as there are
people. And the things surrounding that awakening is not whats important, Its
the awakening and what happens after that that counts.  Its the growth that
takes place after that. It doesnt matter if we develop all kinds of powers to
go into other planes (magik), or any paranormal activity. All of that is a side
line to the main event. The goal is complete union with the one, or at least
progress into that area.   As has been said awakening the k. is not so
difficult--staying awake is. To be sidetracked by phenomenom is very human.  It
can be interesting and fascinating. But its not the goal. Anyone one the list
can talk about anything they want. I was just expressing an opinion, as you are.
Royale


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15 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: Levels of Yoga

Has anybody ever read the Shiva Sutras? I would recommend it
highly. I think it is central to understanding the nature of
meditation and Kundalini Yoga. 

"Cittam Mantraha" is one of the Shiva sutras. "Mind is mantra".
I've heard this interpreted as: When a mantra is spoken, it is
a sound. Sounds are vocal representations of letters, which are
symbols.  Letters have a power, or Shakti, to them. When a word
is pronounced mentally, it is vibrating in the thought, or mind,
energy. It has an inward sound, feel, look, meaning, etc. Yet it
is vibrating in the mind, which is consciousness. Thus:
mind(consciousness) mantra(word). 

So, this helps to raise questions of, what is the energy a word is
vibrating in mentally? How does it exist and how are we aware of
it? Where is the consciousness emanating from? How do I connect to
this inner mental energy, the root of the mind which connects to
the universe? These are questions that can lead deeper into meditation.
This is not for babies. It helps to think of the personality as an
organic system, that is alive and changing, fluid and healthy,
and not a "house of cards" built up of thoughts, beliefs, memories,
worries etc. If something powerful happens in your life, and your mind
is like a house of cards it's blown away, but the root of consciousness 
is like a stream getting fresh water all the time. 

So maybe I'm saying it's like taking a plunge, and seeing what happens.
I know lot's of people on this list know these things, but I wanted
to post this, maybe it help somebody. I've seen strange posts about
meditation, people perpetrating fears; people talking about mental
illnesses, schizophreniam, depression, paranoia; cryptic warnings
about meditationm, weird admonitions and pseudo-Biblical metaphysical
ponderings...........

Meditation is for winners. Yoga makes people very strong and healthy.
There is nothing like it. It is like pure gold. Your fears are your
own. Yoga is a true path. 

	later, 
		Paco



16 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: OOPS...
-
At 07:25 AM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>  300 Hells Angels today brought tons of food to a homeless
>  shelter for Thanks Giving.
>  Reminds me of the "Diggers" in the 60's
>
>  Jim
>
>
> Sorry about this. It was meant to be posted to another list.
     Jim



17 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 
From: Jari Vanha-Eskola 
Subject: Re: Solar plexus

>         There are different positions for the chakra's spinal openings,
> meaning that they aren't exactly in the spine where they lie in the front.
> The actual solar plexus spinal opening is at about the heart chakra frontal
> opening.  

Curious. At my Yoga class the teacher implied that the solar plexus is
in the spine at the same level as one's navel and that's where we
concentrated with the RAM-mantra. So it seems the location of the
chakras is not very agreed upon. Which makes sense, I guess, since we
are all individuals... However,

> The second chakra, the sex, lies a
> little ways upward on the spine, around the solar plexus region.  Here is
> where your blocks may be.  

this actually makes more sense to me. I haven't been able to figure out
why I'd have a blockage in my solar plexus... the sex chakra I can
understand! And also practical evidence points that way... when I
get the spasms without any work on my part, it's always connected to
other people with regard to sexual attraction. Until now, I just thought
the energy was leaking up to my solar plexus and caused the spasms from
there when in fact it might be the sex chakra itself that's blocked!

Thank you very much for your different view on this matter. I'll
certainly see where this leads me...

			Take care,	Jari
-- 
Jari Vanha-Eskola         !  Internet:  Jari.Vanha-EskolaATNOSPAMhelsinki.fi
University of Helsinki	  !  WWW: 	http://www.helsinki.fi/~vanhaesk/

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18 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 
From: "Your friend at:" 
Subject: Jyotir Veda Festival

To whom it may concern, 

	Six people have made requests for horoscope information.  I hope
the information was of assistance to them.  They can still send in their
querries.  I also had a request for a compatibility study.  It looks like
they have a good match.  I hope it works out for them.  There has been
another request to find someone's star match.  They believe their star
match took birth between 9:30 and 10:30am on January 5, 1975; somewhere in
North America.  If anyone has information to help them find their star
match, please let us know.  

	Hope you are all having a great day!

Sincerely, 
-
Christopher

                "In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution,
                      and a little advancement on this path 
              can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear."
                           (Bhagavad-gita as it is 2.40)
                   ____________


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19 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Unconditional Love

SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Sorry this reply is so late, but was away again, and just got back.
> 
> For me the ultimate example of unconditional love is that of Jesus on the
> cross.  It's not the cruxifiction that moves me so much as the fact He could
> say "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
> 
> These words are helping me to slowly realize as I meditate again and again on
> their meaning ,that we may all do things that hurt, because we do not
> understand fully the implications of our actions.  In that light it is easy
> to forgive all kinds of seemingly hurtful acts.
> 
> However there are still some who seem totally evil, such as Hitler .  How can
> we love such people?
> 
> So far the answer for me is that I can love the person and believe that they
> have a truly loving spirit, but that on earth they may not be able to
> manifest that love completely.  All of us are stuck in bodies that have a
> gene inheritance of their own.  Each must face a different problem while
> expressing as spirit through those bodies.  Can I really say that given
> Hitler's genes and his upbringing I would have avoided his type of thinking?
>  I really cannot say.  I can only say I hope I wouldn't be a Hitler in his
> circumstances.
> 
> So what does this all mean?   I can love the person and yet still feel the
> ACTIONS of that person are wrong.  This is a judgement of actions which we
> must all make to live in this world, but not of the person that carries out
> the actions. I realize that this too is only a partial answer.
> 

HI, This is probably one of the best examples possible, how much further
can we go. When I did my book Good and Evil In Our Times I did a chapter
on Edith Stein. She was a Jewish lady that became a nun in her middle
age years. She was also a great teacher in the best universities in
Germany until Hitler came in and began changing things. She decided to
leave her Jewish rootes and become a Catholic because of a book she read
about St. Teresa which immediately brought her to realization. 
	Anyway, because of her high state of social responsibility and love for
both Germany and the Jewish people, she prayed that God would use her as
an instrument to atone for the sins of Hitler and the German people for
what was happening to the Jews. She and her sister who also became an
nun were taken to the concentration camps. When the guards and others
saw how she acted toward everyone, the german guards as well as the
jewish people in the camp, they knew she was an angel sent by God. When
one of the guards acted her if she wanted him to try to get her out by
talking to the right people, she said absolutely not. That would be the
worst possible thing for me, I am here to die and prove that love is
stronger then hate. And, even though things look pretty bad, love will
conquer, because love is stronger.
	 I think that is another fantastic example, don't you? Gloria