kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 224 

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Nocturnal Cyclic

In the first several months of my Kundalini awakening, about 30 years ago, most
of my paranormal experiences happened in the night, in semi-waking states and
dreams which were much more than dreams, intense visions, visitations,
out-of-body travels, instructions and lessons, threats from demons, tours of
strange, wonderous and terrifying realms, insights, intense physical sensations,
and always tremendous electrical/magnetic power with roaring ZZZAAAZZZZ sounds.
Jackhammars going up my spine, rattling my teeth. During the day, minor
poltergeist-type events around me were puzzling to me and my family, and I
floated and staggared in confusion, my hair standing on end, preoccupied,
circuits fried, concentrating hard to keep functioning in a fairly normal way -
terrified, ecstatic, disoriented, inspired, scrambled, bewildered and
overwhelmed. This happened EVERY OTHER NIGHT. The nights between were blank. I
don't mean peaceful or normal - I mean BLANK, like erased from memory. In the
morning, I KNEW plenty had happened, but I could not remember any detail. I
recall one such morning after a blank night, I walked past a mirror and stopped,
doing a double take at myself. My face! It was absolutely radiant and blissful,
with an expression of having the most wonderful secret imaginable. Smug!  But
no conscious memory of any events. Next night - more mayhem. I didn't know till
years later that this was called Kundalini. I just assumed I was going divinely
mad and set my affairs in order. Now my questions to you on the list: Have
others known the manifestations mainly in a light sleep? And has anyone else
noticed any sort of cyclic nature to the energy? 
Eileen



Date: 	Thu, 7 Nov 1996 
From: Monique Mooney 
Subject: IRC

        Is anyone interested in meeting on IRC? If you are please let me know.
        Monique.
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: IRC

Monique Mooney wrote:
> 
>         Is anyone interested in meeting on IRC? If you are please let me know.
>         Monique.

How do you do it? I've never done that before; what's involved?
--Bob



Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: Jari Vanha-Eskola 
Subject: K
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	Hi, Tim!

Thanks for you wonderful message to the list. And I'd also like to thank
everybody else on this list for sharing your K-A experiences... I'm
finding them extremely informative in trying to copy with my own energy
processes. It seems that just by reading your messages and thinking about
Kundalini my energies get triggered and I can feel them start moving
around in my body. Such a wonderful feeling!!!

Anyway, to comment Tim's message:

>  I am twenty years old and have been meditating fairly recently, only
> started about three years ago.  

God, I feel like such a baby... I only started meditating two months ago
*sigh* 

> I awakened it, and it felt like a slow moving orgasm up the spine, it
> only reached up to the lower back, and the only symptoms I had was a
> sore back for a few days afterward. 

I've been 'sucking' energy in my system, too, for quite some time now,
and I've had this exact same experience. The energy seems to stop at my
Solar Plexus Chakra or skip it completely. Then when I concentrate on
the third Chakra and bring energy consciously to it, I start getting
spasms. Works every time. And for the past two weeks, I've had "pain" in
the spine right where the third Chakra is, though I only feel it when I
consciously think about the region or do energy work.

I believe all this is due to a blockage in the Chakra, but so far I
haven't been able to do anything about it, and I must admit I'm a little
at a loss here...  not knowing what to do.  I have tried some mental
images (that I made up myself), eg. imagening a ball of white light
descending down from my Crown Chakra to the Third, staying there and
cleaning it...  I've also tried some sort of healing: I've never had any
experience with healing, but one night when meditating I just felt like
I should use my mental hands on my third Chakra...  I did so and it felt
like somebody was giving me a massage...  very pleasureable, too, but
still the blockage remains...  so if anybody has any suggest, I'd
welcome them!

> Uncontrolled twiching as the energy pulls and pushes the body.  

How very accurately this describes my experiences...  in the beginning
the spasms were more severe but now they are very mild and being caused
by the Third Chakra.  Maybe one day I'll get rid of even that block... 
(but I'm kinda afraid to let go, actually, since if the physical
symptoms are gone, how will I know that anything is happening in me at
all...  silly, I know, but 'seeing is believing' *grin*)
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			Take care,		Jari
-- 
Jari Vanha-Eskola         !  Internet:  Jari.Vanha-EskolaATNOSPAMhelsinki.fi
University of Helsinki	  !  WWW: 	http://www.helsinki.fi/~vanhaesk/



Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: Politicz

Ummmmmmmm, that "re: James, Vernon, Allison" post was kind
of a joke...just kidding around. *heh heh* Don't really
see much going on in politics except business...which is
cool if you're a player, but if you're just watching TV and
casting your ballot and arguing at the water cooler it's kind
of lame.

I think spirituality is already bringing us together...I think 
good things are coming...

I guess my point is Kundalini Yoga causes us to progress and
meanwhile there is this vast universe outside and there is
really not too many ways to actually change it directly, it just
is kind of moving forward in time. 

wow...anyways, Hillary Clinton is really so hot, she's the stern
yet sensual and caring baby sitter that I never had as a pre-teen.

later,
	Paco



Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: wrigaATNOSPAMsisna.com (Anne Wright)
Subject: IS the psych community ready for this?

Dear John, You really need to join the list. Many of us have had similar
encounters with the psych. community. Our role may be to steer these people
in the direction of spiritual emergency as a diagnosis. It DOES exist in
the DSMIV. I too was told that I would be taking medication for my newly
diagnosed bi-polar state. Fortunately, every drug they gave me made me feel
like shit. Finally I quit messing around, and stopped taking everything. My
doctor said O.K. fine. If this happens enough times, maybe they will start
looking in the right place. Unfortunately, we are the ones who are breaking
new ground. I would not wish my experience in the hospital and with those
drugs on my worst enemy, but it was part of my awakening, and I learned
many things. Write me directly if you want the details.Anne
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Date: Fri,  8 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Nocturnal Cyclic

Yes, I had many many teachings in the light sleep state.. and Lucid 
Dreams.  I know I have been
Out of Body during those times too, however remembering them is the 
difficult part.  And for the first year, I was a space cadet, loving 
the blissful state and not wanting to deal with the earthly world. I 
was in a constant state of WOW.. 
flute
aka Carolyn Maloney



Date: Fri,  8 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: K

Use Prana.. the Breath to help balance and open the blockage.  Sit in 
the yoga position as much as possible.. (it makes you sit up 
straight) pull in your chin.. this way you have a good pathway.. Then 
breathe deeply and focus on the Third chakra and on the color you 
associate with this chakra.
You may have some emotion issue that is blocking. 
However its also possible that you have suppressed the energy in that 
area (center) and simply need to allow it to flow again.  Energy by 
nature has to move and flow.. smile
flute
aka Carolyn Maloney



Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: Respnse to Mistress Angelique

Dear Mistress Angelique,
It was not my intention to offend you or anyone with my question about
faeries (sic).  Just wondering how far we stretch on this list.  Are you,
for example, interested in hearing about how the Church and the Eucharist,
in particular, help me with my own k issues?  Would it be appropriate to
share how Catholic doctrine has contributed to my own integration?

I have no intention of defending the Church's dark side; it is well known
and lamentable.  I am capable of making distinctions between the message
and the method, the Christ and his representatives.  Are you?
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I'm sorry you had such a bad experience of the Church!  I've had quite a
few myself.  It sounds like you're still pretty angry!

There was no need to send a personal reply to me, as several others did,
then post it for the whole list to see.  I read the list mail, too, you
know.

You must follow the Spirit of truth and love wherever it may lead.  I have
no quarrel with the path you have chosen.  Let there be peace between us.
-
Phil

>At 14:49 07/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>All the posts and responses about faeries are fun--even entertaining!  But
>>what does this have to do with kundalini?  As a relative newcomer to the
>>list, I'm wondering just how far we stretch in the topics we share.  In
>>reading over the purpose of the list, I see that it's supposed to be about
>>dealing with issues pertaining to the awakening of kundalini.  I, for one,
>>find no help unto this end in all these posts about faeries.
>Hello, Philip:
>  The connection is simple. As part of my meditation and a manifestation of
>my K. awakening, I have been spending a lot of time channelling my energy
>into healing the planet, which led to channelling Gaia, which in turn led to
>an increased awareness of earth spirits. I write about my K. experience.
>  An important aspect of the millennium is a need to work more closely with
>nature, to heal the scars of industry. The approaching Millennium is the
>reason K. awakening has become such a widespread phenomena, as to make this
>list possible. I believe this to be an opinion widely shared on the list.
> While K. awakening is a spiritual and evolutionary process, one's religous
>beliefs do have an effect on the manifestation.
>  Once I was a little frightened Roman Catholic girl, buying into the idea
>that the sin in the world was the fault of my gender.
>  Now I am proud to be a powerful pagan Witch, fuelled and blesed with
>Goddess power inside me. I take as my personal the symbol of the Serpent in
>the Holy Garden, but in my world, the Serpent gave the gift of the sacred
>sexuality to first woman, in the Martriarchal creation myths that long
>preeceeded the old testament.
>  I will not indulge in Church bashing, but I would like to ask, why is it
>that a religion purportedly based on love and truth, (truth supposedly being
>self-evident), required so much violence and bloodshed, and oppression, in
>spreading it's message?
>  And do consider, please, for a moment, how little value your ideas on
>religion, particularly your opinions on sexual morality, might be to me?
>I read them anyways. Obviously, or I wouldn't be responding. Just because
>they often have no relation to my K. experience, does not mean that I cannot
>appreciate, or need to suppress them.
>   Even though my personal life mission is around freedom of sexual
>expression, and the destruction of any outside restrictions on how adults
>may choose to consensually express love. If the Roman Catholic church
>happens to go crunch in the process, well, all for the best, I am sure.
>Revelations, perhaps, is not the end of the world, but only the end of the
>Church. This say I, Angelique Serpent.
>All according to Goddess Plan. But I do not attempt to suppress your
>expression.
>  Pagans outnumber Churchgoers on this list, I think. New age types for sure
>outnumber orthodox catholics.
>  In my world. all acts of love and pleasure, serve the Goddess, and
>facilitate my K. evolving. Even the no-sexual contact BD/SM acts with which
>I earn my living.
>  Could your world accept that a Pagan Dominatrix might be enlightened, with
>the ability to open heart chakras and awaken Kundalini? Yet, it is so. There
>are a lot of K. awakened masochist submissive males running around, because
>they gave me their power, and I chose to use it to fulfill thier fantasies,
>but also to empower them, in return.
>  Is that not the way of a loving Goddess? My reward, that Faerie are real
>to me, and their joy and delight fills my life, and I choose to share that
>joy.
>  And there are others on this list, that are using my expression to
>facilitate thier own reconnection to Gaia. The Faerie lightness goes a long
>way to lifting some of the harder aspects of K. awakening. This is a
>blessing, and my expressions, in my view, are sacred work. Work that was,
>and is, very much inspired by my own awakening years ago.
>  Your interest in suppression is, in my opinion, typical of the repression
>of your faith. It, rather than my Faerie Tales, have no place on this list.
>  Maybe I am getting carried away, to a question that was only curiosity.
>But, I read a lot more than that between the lines. I am responding to the
>subtext of the question, as I sense it, as well as to the question stated.
>  Sorry, Philip, I admit I expected better of you. If you are not interested
>in my Faerie Tales, you know where the delete key is.
>                           Goddess Blessings, Angelique.
>
>                   Mistress Angelique Serpent,
>                Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
>            Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
>        *******************
>"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
>Feel your arms are openng out. And feel your arms are lifted to God.
>With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
>come true.
>I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
>                         Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: A Bad Rap

-  300 Hells Angels today brought tons of food to a homeless
  shelter for Thanks Giving.
  Reminds me of the "Diggers" in the 60's

  Jim



Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Nocturnal Cyclic

Yes, I get k-messages once a month or so in my sleep. They range from
nightmares to bliss, and their message always sees the future powerfully. I
have come to recognize them becuase I can wake up and go back to sleep and
it doesn't matter, I am still tuned into the same channel, for hours. 

It is like a lucid dream, only more powerful, and it has something to tell
me. It is always profound. Sometimes it gets me to change course, other
times gives positive directiions. 
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As for daytime, I became a writer. I feel like much of my work is channeled.
How else to explain the miracle of sitting down with no idea of what will be
said, and watch as things emerge? (Okay, maybe all writers say this..) 

I look at what I wrote at times and think, Huh? Or Wow, I never could have
said That! Or, Where did that come from? I just watch - like turning on a
tv, the characters emerge, do their things, and I report. No need to worry
about character development, they already exist, right there! Things like
that. The k is a veritable font of unending creativity for me. I thank the
k, not my ego - I know who to thank for this gift.

Traveler



Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Respnse to Mistress Angelique

- Are you,
>for example, interested in hearing about how the Church and the Eucharist,
>in particular, help me with my own k issues?  Would it be appropriate to
>share how Catholic doctrine has contributed to my own integration?
>
Dear Phil,

I for one would love to hear from you about this.

This list to me is an extraordinary meeting place for many minds, many
views. Of course we are going to have differences. That is part of the
beauty and value.

I believe I speak for many others on this list.

best, traveler



Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: K (solar plexus)

Jari Vanha-Eskola wrote:

> And for the past two weeks, I've had "pain" in
> the spine right where the third Chakra is, though I only feel it when > I
> consciously think about the region or do energy work.
> 
> I believe all this is due to a blockage in the Chakra, but so far I
> haven't been able to do anything about it, and I must admit I'm a > little
> at a loss here...  

Try Navasana (the boat pose) within the context of your regular yoga
set, placed about 2/3 of the way through.  5 navasanas of about 5 long
breaths each with a single breath rest between. Follow with an upward
dog or cobra, then a downward facing dog (to release the back).  Try
this for a couple of weeks, see if you notice improvement, then modify
as necessary.

Also, you might want to try a "So-hum" meditation, "So" as the mantra
sylable on the inhale, a resonent "hum" on the exhale, with attention
lightly resting on the solar plexus.

In navasana, don't forget to arch your back, open the heart (you are
doing a slight backbend), keep your abdominal muscles firm.  Arms are
strong and straight, hands facing each other, paralell the floor.  Gaze
is to the nose.

If you can manage uddyana and moola bandhas you should include them, but
not unless you have someone who can show you in person.  

Other standard western abdominal excersices can be of (suprising) great
help as well...

keep us posted!

Juliet


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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Re:Hard Facts? Funny idea! Ha Ha Ha!!

  There are no facts in the world. There are only cosmic laws, and opinions.
That, is my opinion! And the opinion of very advanced physics. And very
advanced Gurus!

  Resistance to wierdness really only makes things harder. Give up the idea
that you know what's real. Reality is actually well beyond our human
comprehension.
  That's what the crop circles are for, to puzzle and confuse scientists
like a Zen koan, until confusion births new insight into the nature of
reality, in these narrow scientific heads. To enlighten the scientific mind. 
  Here's a formula that I use to break resistance to wierdness-and to
accountability for life experience. Stick this in your logic circuts.
 Your 5 senses pick up 100% of all the information, all of the time. Your
ears are hearing noises coming from miles away, the nerves in your skin,
your nose, is picking up thousands of signals, all the time. Even when you
are asleep. Your brain sorts through all this, and gives you the information
you need...say 10% of what it is recieving. So you are only really aware of
10% of your world. Yet, you have a complete experience of life. You seem to
be living in a 100% complete world.....so where does the other 90% of your
reality come from? 
  Yep, you make it up, in your head. At least 90% of your experience of
life, you make up, in your head, out of opinions, attitudes, reactions,
beliefs, past experiences. 
  Of course, we spiritually aware people are knowing that it's actually 100%
of life experience that we make up, because space-time does not really exist. 
-  I use this spiritual karate on the logical minds of people who are stuck
in believing in thier own helplessness. Amazingly empowering, to realize
that 90% of your life experience can be changed, simply by changing your
mind about things. 
  Amazing, too, to realize that this is universal human condition, and the
best reporter, the most brilliant scientist, is still only getting 10% of
reality to work with. It's 90% opinion, interpretation, any 'fact' you want. 
  Give up thinking that you know what's real in this world. Wierd stuff has
been going on around you always- but you did not allow it into your 10%
perception. Previously, it was too incompatable with the 90% you made up.
Now that the 90% is shifting into new beliefs, your brain is allowing a
slightly different 10% through. Some of that 10% is coming from parts of
your perceptions (esp) that you were not allowing input from before. The
more you focus on shifting the belief limitations of the 90%, the more
interesting, the 10% gets. 
 Believe you are safe, and blessed, and that nothing from the astral world
can hurt you, unless you allow the idea that it can into your 90%.
  And of course, also realize that your brain does not make clear at all,
what parts of your world are coming from the 90%, and what's from the 10%.
It does not tell you what is input, what is invention. You cannot tell. So
anything you don't like, it's safe to assume that it's from the 90%, and
change it. Change your mind, your world will follow. Magic is just as simple
as that realization. 
  Add to that another formula: this all happens, your 100% of the world you
experience............only using 10% of your brain.
What's that other 90% of your brain doing? Maybe shaping your physical world
for you?
  Science is only another form of religion. Scientists believe in things
they cannot see or prove the existence of, too.
 Truth is always stranger than fiction, and Art imitates Life. Read wierd
fiction, to expand your belief systems, change your world.
 In my world, my 90%, I choose to believe that Spiderman is real, and
Faerie, but not George Bush. He is fiction. I think Reagan is fiction, too.
Hilary Clinton may be fiction to me, but she moves and breathes for Paco.
Can have a lotta fun with yer 90%. Satan and Hell are fiction to me, too. I
know some people believe in them, I don't understand why they wanna have
that stuff in thier 90%, but then I don't like horror movies, either. 
 There is the Serpent from Eden, but that's Me, and I'm a Lightbeing, so
that's okay. 
 The only things that are real to me, are things that effect my life.
Spiderman, and Faerie, have had much more impact on my life than George Bush.
  And you all may think I'm looney, but that doesn't matter to me one
subatomic particle. (which responds to thought, according to modern physics,
anyway. There is no such animal as objectivity, with humans. We create our
results. That's what modern science has to say about reality.)
                                Blessings, Angelique.

		   Mistress Angelique Serpent, 
		Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
            Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
-	*******************
"Feel your hair come tumblin' down, feel your feet start kissin the ground.
Feel your arms are openning out. And feel your eyes are lifted to God.
With no words, with no song, I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream
come true.
I'm gonna dance the dream, and make the dream come true ( She gotta dance...)"
                         Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes"
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: [Fwd: Re: PSYPHY: Biof. & Schizophrenia]


The attached forwarded msg. might be of interest to the group. I'm
curious if anyone has tried biofeedback to control K A side effects,
that is, to reduce the discomfort.
--Bob
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From: Rob Kall 
Subject: Re: PSYPHY: Biof. & Schizophrenia


Back in the mid seventies I ran a yoga group on an inpatient psychiatric unit.
Participants were schizophrenic, bipolar and depressed. Most responded well to
learning skills which connected their minds and bodies.  But I learned early to
stay with the more physical approaches and to avoid doing things with eyes
closed, particularly with refently admitted schizophrenics. Closing the eyes
opens the door for auditory and visual hallucinations.  I think biofeedback
could take the idea of connecting to reality and grounding even further, but
with the caveat of being cautious to avoid potentiating depersonalization and
disconnection. That would suggest muscle, SMR and beta training, with theta
inhibition. 

Rob Kall
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 
From: schwalmATNOSPAMsonatech.com (Randall Schwalm)
Subject: Re: Nocturnal Cyclic

>In the first several months of my Kundalini awakening, about 30 years ago,
most of my [snipped]
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Eileen,

I when I was quite youn had similar happenings, I like to think of Kundalini
as a doorway that is opened to the other side and also other dimensions.

Poltergeist activites can happen....... One thing that I do usually late at
night if I feel this I call on God or one of the Arch Angels to protect me
with light..... I then reafirm that all beings are of light and I afirm the
light in the being that is their present with me..... I truly open my hart
for God light to work through my Green chakra center.  Unfortunitly these
spirits do not want to change and instantly disapear...... It always helps
me to be very firm in my beleifs that there is NO power stonger than Love.

As for nature cycles for me the seasons are the stongest...... my inner
spirit moves in grownth(spring) maturity (summer) harvest (fall) death
(winter)..... I feel myself on sort of a spiral......  right now I guess
beacuase I am in CA... I am moving into my growth phase and at the tail end
of my death phase....

in love and light,

Randy