'kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 216 

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Chromium/Hallowe'en

L.D. McClanahan, Ph.D., Psych wrote:
> 
Dan,
>         Two possibilities for sugar craving come the mind.  First,
> K-energy requires more energy.  Second, you may be needing Chromium as
> supplement as Ch is required to help metabolize insulin and our soil in
> USA does not provide enough.  Regardless, your weight problem is
> symbolic that metabolically you are out of balance, K or not.  L.D.

By coincidence (not), I was just talking to Jean (among other things)
about taking Chromium--partly because of her drinking history (which, as
I understand it, creates great glucose imbalances). I found it was a
*tremendous* help to me in sorting out initial K problems.  Just
tremendous.  The key is to get "GTF" Chromium (glucose tolerance factor)
not, say, piccolinate.  Further, I found that the yeast-based variety
seemed much more bio-available...

GTF Chromium is helpful in controlling both hypoglycemia *and* diabetes
(opposite ends of the glucose imbalance spectrum).  Interestingly,
hypoglycemia in it's extreme form has bee misdiagnosed as schizophrenia
(this from a book from the Brain/Bio Center in Princeton--author
forgotten).
-
You can OD on Chromium.  It is not water-soluable.  200 micrograms twice
a day would be a slightly theraputic dose.  200 once a day is
maintainance.  A cheap form is Brewer's Yeast.

I think this is worth looking at, K-nutrition-wise.

J.


-
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Unconditional love

>> Unconditional love, to me is what is given by one who has no need to
>> consider the self, otherwise, the self sets a condition - I matter.  The
>> self that makes choices rather than takes each human as he comes to him
>> cannot love unconditionally. Unconditional love, at times, also needs to
>> be strict and rigid if it is in the best interest of the one loved, it is
>> not just a soppy "feeling"; but made of sterner stuff. 

Here is my definition, summed up in a quote I (just) found:
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
"Love is a feeling that emanates from the heart and extends 
                  through the blood to every cell of the body"
                              ...Benjamin Disraeli
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

I think that the minute we put blinders, guides, and directives on to this
stream of outpouring love, it is no longer unconditional. Every judgement is
a condition. Hence, most of the time, we ALL practice conditional love.

I remember at the height of my k awakening when I thought I was going to
die, and I saw my rotten life pass before my eyes: The suffering, the
unworthiness, the stupidity I felt for myself, and had felt also for
others.....and the white light came pouring in, and then, forgiveness...of
me, for all I had done, and for everyone, for who they were too...I could
have loved Dahmer, or a leper, or...anyone. Beyond the judgements....a great
feeling....   Now, most often, a memory, a sense, a knowing that it IS
possible...

It is giving without expectation of receiving or of altering the other;
giving because I have this stream flowing through me that seeks an outlet,
not a reward.....and that giving could occur no other way. A sense of
gratitude while giving, that the other exists, such that I may be blessed to
have a reason to give love...not that I need to give love to another, just
blessed that I can. The more, the merrier, in a way.

No, I am not always like this! Heavens, I'm not sure I could function in
this state, for long...one has to drive on the freeway, and get dressed in
the morning, and buy dinner, like that. These are beta state (brainwave)
activities we all need to get into survive. 

I suspect the unconditional love is an alpha state, maybe even lower (in
brain wave frequencies you go lower as you meditate, relax, and surrender
into that place of divine being, not higher).....

It is a place to visit, a mountaintop to climb, from time to time, because
the view is so beautiful.
-
Best, traveler



Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Parallel Synchronicities

I have related personal synchronicities in the past and more recently 
those that have been occurring to those around me - how far does this 
extend? Karen and I have become insanely gregarious compared to our 
previous selves - before K-A had only two close friends (actually only 
two of ANY kind of friends). I have heard it said that you can't have 
synchronicities unless you go out into the world; do things, meet 
people, etc. THAT is probably the source of much synchronicity.

Our son had the two felonies discharged at our behest by the extremely 
reluctant D.A. in a remote county. He was transported directly (no, did 
not pass GO or collect $200) to another, more local jail to face 
misdemeanor 'joy riding' charges. He was told by his Public Defender 
that he would get probation with 'time served'. The judge changed his 
mind at the last minute and slapped him with an additional 30 days in 
the County Pokey. So, rather than being processed out of jail, he went 
back to his cell. No sooner did he arrive there when a nun showed up 
with information about a program that would permit him to get an 
Associates Degree from the Stanford Teaching Hospital while earning his 
way by working with disabled children. He was his happiest during 
junior high school when he was volunteering with the profoundly 
disabled children. This appears to be a synchronicity that is amazing 
or...we only hope he isn't manic again-|.
DAN-RF



Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: "L.D. McClanahan, Ph.D., Psych" 
Subject: Love, Kundalini, & God

Hi,
-	I am going to risk being considered heretic or worse.  Several 
terms or concepts used by many, and not just on this list, lack 
operational specificity and objectivity, and conflict with other 
concepts or terms than I churn around in my head.  Since the 
intelligence and personal experience level on this list is very high, I 
hope that I can share these thoughts and receive compassionate, 
thoughtful comments.
	To me, love is another vibration which polarizes from the 
hypothalamus, located somewhat opposite to hate and other emotions.  As 
emotions they are more resident within the limbic system and emotion 
layer of the aura.  I do not doubt the need for unconditional love for 
life and others; we have laws against those expressing hate and harming 
others.  One cannot be productive in society without a modicum of love 
toward others, but as a vibration level love becomes on a par with other 
vibrational levels, when viewed more macroscopically, outside the 
purview of vibrations, brain mass, aura.  
	Those who practice meditation report going "into the void," 
presumed to be a state of bliss or God; perhaps that is null vibration, 
perhaps not.
	Kundalini energy by definition has vibration, probably three 
different kinds or quantum forms of vibration, presumed to have 
consciousness, i.e., capability of awareness.  I do not doubt that rocks 
and other objects, things, as well as life forms demonstrate the quality 
of consciousness or awareness, and that love and kindness and respect 
and dignity must be accorded.  As energy forms with vibration levels 
they exist on the earth plane as ourselves.  Perhaps at very high 
vibration levels they may exhibit the quality of existence on the astral 
or other planes, or higher vibrational levels noted via the aura and 
chakras.
	I do not doubt that mystical experences and higher energy forms 
can be observed or sensed; nor do I doubt that individuals can/do 
channel higher energy forms or can become aware of spirits or faeries or 
such.  This universe/creation is too vast for us to comprehend so that 
we must remain open minded, while always cautious how our limited 
physical gifts, even if Kundalini aware, pose forms of limitation about 
which we must be careful.
	I have not been awakened in the Kundalini sense.  I have had 
mystical experiences which validate in my mind that our awareness is 
seriously limited.  I do not doubt, in fact, I believe that raising the 
Kundalini energy allows one to access higher vibration levels of 
awareness, and that this inherent gift is our birthright, ours to access 
to achieve another stage of spiritual development.  With all its 
potential travail I would welcome the rising of the Kundalini.
	All my life I have reminded myself, "Thou shalt have no other 
God before me."  I do not worship people, the vibrational.  I do not let 
my love of others, and believe me when I say that I could not function 
day by day in my work without plenty of love for the plights of others, 
distort how to view others more wholistically, other dimensionally, more 
developmentally as functioning through time(s) on paths I cannot discern 
with my limited talents and perspective.  
-	For me, answers do not come easy.  My search for the truth is 
slow, frought with many contradictions and paradoxes which churn my 
mind.  Mankind has been noted for accepting belief patterns which later 
generations have found wanting, belief patterns which have been turned 
against others out of fixation of belief.  Watch HBO some night!
	I doubt God is a vibration level per se, though in some fashion 
beyond my comprehension God manifests in the universe in space-time 
continua as some form(s) of vibration to continue the process of 
creation.
	Let us grow personally as we share experiences, our thoughts and 
feelings.  Let us preceed with humility without too many preconceptions 
about Love, Kundalini, & God.  L. D.



Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: mabATNOSPAMrio.com (Margaret A. Blaine)
Subject: Krn contact

  This is in response to the question about Kundalini Research Network contact.
-   I joined KRN and have an address for Bonnie Greenwell, PhD. 22375 Rolling
Hills Road, Saratoga, California 95070.  There is also a fax 416-482-3642
before 9:00 EST.
    I will write Bonnie and tell her of the interest for a conference, abd
possibly joining up with KRN.
                        Margaret



Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: rjills 
Subject: Re: KUNDALINI CONFERENCE???

About the conference stuff. Guys, i really think you should keep this thing
open to all on the K. list and not discuss it on a private basis.  Presumably
you want everyone to attend?  Royale



Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: rjills 
Subject: Re: allergies

Margaret A. Blaine wrote:
> 
> To all allergy sufferers
>      My husband suffered from serious allergies for 25 years.  He took
> allergy shots once a week etc etc etc.  He heard from a friend that
> Neurolinguistic Programming   NLP for short had a process which would
> reeducate the nervous system so it wouldn't overeact to things which were in
> fact not dangerous to it.  He went through this mental process and has not
> had any allergies since.  This was two years ago.
>       It's a simple process which takes about 15 minutes and is very
> effective.  I hope those of you who are suffering will not discount this,
> but will try it.  My husband's doctor just didn't believe him when he told
> him what he had done.  He said it was impossible
>                        Have fun
>                             Margaret
> 
> .-Hey, Margaret, you forgot to give us the process. Royale
-


Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: rjills 
Subject: Re: Krn contact

Margaret A. Blaine wrote:
> 
>   This is in response to the question about Kundalini Research Network contact.
>    I joined KRN and have an address for Bonnie Greenwell, PhD. 22375 Rolling
> Hills Road, Saratoga, California 95070.  There is also a fax 416-482-3642
> before 9:00 EST.
>     I will write Bonnie and tell her of the interest for a conference, abd
> possibly joining up with KRN.
>                         Margaret
> 
 .-Im making a request, that instead of going ahead and doing things about our
 proposed conference that we appoint or get a volunteer of one or two  person
 that  to take charge of all the arrangements. IF the majority of us agree to
- even have a conference. That way we will know who to contact if we have
 suggestions or helps regarding it and it will lessen any confusions.Otherwise,
 pandimonioum may result and a lack or organization insue.  What think ye?  
 Royale



Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Re; Conference, 
-
>I am normally a very gregarious person, but for a long time after "k" I found
>myself unable to function in crowds.  Others I have spoken to were in even
>worse shape than I was.  While I no longer  have a problem, I cannot speak
>for all.  That is why I wrote that caution.  In the spirit of love and
>concern for others who may be struggling with the energy.

Jule,

Would you mind my asking how long that lasted?  I know it would not be the
same for everyone but just knowing it does not last forever is some comfort.  

I was always one to avoid crowds, now I even avoid small groups.  I am
currently thought of as quite stand-offish, but I am just too sensitive to
other people's energy I guess to welcome most social situations.  It is
getting lonely yet I somehow trust this all may have a higher purpose..

I would appreciate hearing others experiences with this as well.

Mary
-


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Unconditional love

In my experiance, unconditional love is a fountain of warm, golden energy, of
subtle intensity; impersonal in nature, its encompassing nature leaves no
room for detracting negative emotions.
-
It is the force which put the smile on the face of Christains as the lions
tore them asunder--transcending earthy bounds.  When you feel it--you will
know, and recognize it, because we have all been there before. (Remember the
"face of love" in Dead Man Walking.)

Incidentally, Divorce was the catalyst which started me on the journey.  It
was one of the greatest gifts in this life.  That I was hurt deeply and was
forced to drop all pretenses to find a sacred place for love within, was the
first fortunate step.  Now two years later, that I can shake the hand of my
ex-wife's new lover and earnestly wish them well, is an indication of how
much I have grown.
 

Love,

Joe



-
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: Kundalini Conference

>> .-Im making a request, that instead of going ahead and doing things
>>about our proposed
>conference that we appoint or get a volunteer of one or two  person that
>to take charge
>of all the arrangements. IF the majority of us agree to even have a conference.
>That way we will know who to contact if we have suggestions or helps
>regarding it and
> it will lessen any confusions.Otherwise, pandimonioum may result and a
>lack or
>organization insue.  What think ye?   Royale

I've been a member of the Kundaline Research Network for three years, and
can empathize with many of the sentiments about it and a conference
expressed on this list recently.  My experience has been that one thing the
KRN does very well is host an annual conference.  I was a speaker at the
Philadelphia conference last year, which was attended by 150 or so from a
wide variety of spiritual pathways.  Joan Harrigan, Bonnie Greenwell and
Yvonne Kason are prabably the core of the leadership.  The KRN doesn't do a
good job getting out newsletters and responding to inquiries, however,
which explains some of the frustrations expressed on this list.

Instead of having a separate conference, why not simply link up at the next
KRN conference?  I'm not sure where the '97 one will be.  It's generally
held in October.

Phil



Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Unconditional love

FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> In my experiance, unconditional love is a fountain of warm, golden energy, of
> subtle intensity; impersonal in nature, its encompassing nature leaves no
> room for detracting negative emotions.
> 
> It is the force which put the smile on the face of Christains as the lions
> tore them asunder--transcending earthy bounds.  When you feel it--you will
> know, and recognize it, because we have all been there before. (Remember the
> "face of love" in Dead Man Walking.)
> 
> Incidentally, Divorce was the catalyst which started me on the journey.  It
> was one of the greatest gifts in this life.  That I was hurt deeply and was
> forced to drop all pretenses to find a sacred place for love within, was the
> first fortunate step.  Now two years later, that I can shake the hand of my
> ex-wife's new lover and earnestly wish them well, is an indication of how
> much I have grown.
> 
> 
> Love,
> 
> Joe
-
Hi Joe & all - 

Methinks . . . unconditional love is at first comtemplated, then 
attempted with sporadic and relative success. Later in the transpersonal 
(which is NOT IMpersonal!), unconditional love becomes not something one 
gives or accepts - it's just what one IS.

Eileen

-

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: K experience

traveler wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone else have guides that have appeared to them in dreams to
> >teach them about the experience. Or have you just been ignoring the
> >dreams.. smile..
> >The Cherokee also have experienced the same energy rising and have a
> >different name for it.. (I haven't a clue as to how to say it, or
> >spell it).  I attended a Medicine Wheel this past year and was amazed
> >at the energy and obvious Kundalini experiences.. without drugs..
> >Cherokee is a woodland Tribe and they believe in the absolute natural.
> >
> My kundalini "wahtever"-guide, energy, ???, talks to me a about 4 times a
> year, in dreams. I lie there for hours, half awake and half asleep, and a
> message comes through. It is always accurate.
> 
> It told me to write a book and even told me what to say.(My book will be out
> shortly!)
> 
> It has told me to stay on track at certain times and in certain ways; to
> avoid certain people and paths and to embrace others.
> 
> I always know when it is the k because it stays for several hours; maybe I
> switch from being asleep to awake; it doens't matter. It feels very
> pleasurable, orgasmic, at times; at other times it is compelling with a
> nightmare quality (when I get the warnings). In all cases, I feel like I am
> seeing into the future, looking at a reality that exists in another
> dimension, that feels very, very real.
> 
> It is always something significant, and I am sure to listen. I welcome these
> experiences greatly.
> 
> Best, traveler

Dear Fellow Traveler;
-
Ah, yes . . guides!
Recently, in a whiney mood, I went to sleep feeling spiritually 
abandoned. In the morning, I woke with a very clear and emphatic message:

"You don't have to piss and moan - 
You will never walk alone!"

Which not only reassured me, but reminded me to lighten up!
Love,
Eileen



Date: Sun,  3 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: food for thought

"Man IS a soul, and HAS a body. when he properly places his sense of 
identity, he leaves behind all compulsive patterns.  So long as he 
remains confused in his ordinary state of spiritual amenesia, he will 
know the subtle fetters of environmental law." Sri Yuteswar.
hugs, flute



Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: food for thought

CAROLYN MALONEY wrote:
> 
> "Man IS a soul, and HAS a body. when he properly places his sense of
> identity, he leaves behind all compulsive patterns.  So long as he
> remains confused in his ordinary state of spiritual amenesia, he will
> know the subtle fetters of environmental law." Sri Yuteswar.
> hugs, flute


Like
-
"...man is the particle, God is the Wave..."

                                             jan



Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: "James Vernon, Allison" 
Subject: Re: Love, Kundalini, & God
-
Well, here am I.  An old soul (me thinks), on a new journey.  I had 
my serpent within awakened about three or four years ago, and then 
for unknown reasons I decided that the time wasn't right for me so I 
never meditated or worked with the power.  I have just realized, very 
recently that I should start following the path to ascension, and not 
worry about the great many things that my ego doesn't want to lose.  
So, here I am.  I have many questions, a great many in fact.  But 
will start with a single one, as with the first step of any journey.

What can I do to raise the kundalini on my own?

Thank you for allowing me to journey with you all on this path.



Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Love, Kundalini, & God

James, 

Welcome.  I hope you will share the responses with all of us.  I am new to
the K experience (about one year) and tempted to squelch it at times, so I
would be most interested in everyone else's reaction and response to your post.

Sincerely,
Mary


-
At 05:29 PM 11/3/96 +0000, James Vernon, Allison wrote:
>Well, here am I.  An old soul (me thinks), on a new journey.  I had 
>my serpent within awakened about three or four years ago, and then 
>for unknown reasons I decided that the time wasn't right for me so I 
>never meditated or worked with the power.  I have just realized, very 
>recently that I should start following the path to ascension, and not 
>worry about the great many things that my ego doesn't want to lose.  
>So, here I am.  I have many questions, a great many in fact.  But 
>will start with a single one, as with the first step of any journey.
->
>What can I do to raise the kundalini on my own?
>
>Thank you for allowing me to journey with you all on this path.
>
>
>



-
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: K experience

> >Does anyone else have guides that have appeared to them in dreams to
> >teach them about the experience. Or have you just been ignoring the
> >dreams.. smile..

I get a really weird thing from time to time.  I get images, symbols,
very graphic, usually with moving elements which appear *very clearly*
(almost as if etched) in my feild of vision as I awake.  These pictures
are only readable if I wake up without opening my eyes.  If I lie there
without moving I can study the image quite closely.  The moment I move,
or move my eyelids, the image starts to dissipate. It's almost like a
kind of Navajo sand painting, which settles into place as I lie
motionless in sleep, and when I move the particles scatter to some kind
of inner wind...

One very profound example of this happened a few years ago.  I was
quitting smoking and was suffering from slight chest pains.  The image
that appeared had a kind of graphic, mechanistic, schematic quality.
Each time my heart beat the schematic would spin and, concurrent with
each slight pulse of pain in my chest I could see a broken section in
the diagram, kind of pulling against itself in a painful way!  

The message was, of course, quite direct, not cryptic at all: smoking,
lungs, heart-chackra stuff... and lead to a lot of (a lifetime of?)
gratifying work...

Juliet



Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Love, Kundalini, & God

James Vernon, Allison wrote:
> 
> Well, here am I.  An old soul (me thinks), on a new journey.  I had
> my serpent within awakened about three or four years ago, and then
> for unknown reasons I decided that the time wasn't right for me so I
> never meditated or worked with the power.  I have just realized, very
> recently that I should start following the path to ascension, and not
> worry about the great many things that my ego doesn't want to lose.
> So, here I am.  I have many questions, a great many in fact.  But
> will start with a single one, as with the first step of any journey.
> 
> What can I do to raise the kundalini on my own?
> 
> Thank you for allowing me to journey with you all on this path.


Hi James,

Please clarify for us -  you say you had your serpant awakened. How was 
this done -  or was it a spontaneous happening? The difference is 
important in relationship to your question.
Love, Eileen
-


Date: Sun,  3 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Re: My Brain Itches-)

grin.. well if you are aiming to spend a lot of money doing it and 
working on it for years, I suppose you can.. HOWEVER.. If you are 
already kundalini awakened.. That's 3/4 of the study..
I have heard amounts as much as $10,000 for the entire course.  My 
Reiki Master taught me the basics in 4 lessons that lasted about 4 
hours each.  Then she has monthly meetings to share 
knowledge/teaching. Ive been learning for about 1 1/2 years.  She is 
still learning and has a month long session with some visitors from 
the Self Realization Fellowship this next year.  She's been a student 
for about 6 or 7 years and isn't quite a grand master yet..Her 
training will be more than Reiki, the people that will be visiting 
her . She believes that people should all have Reiki lessons 
available to them and we both charge very conservative fees.
You are probably past life Reiki and remembering the symbols, 
especially since you mentioned your hands heating up as well.  The 
Japanese art of healing as taught by Dr. Usui was the training of a 
very nice Hawaiian Lady that brought Reiki to the mainland. Hakawya 
Takata. Ms Takata was one of Usui's Grand Masters.  She was still 
alive in Hawaii when I lived there.. I've also walked the pathway in  
Japan. Long before I took Reiki..  The symbols are sanscrit and were 
channelled by Dr. Usui.  The teaching is very similiar to many 
cultures healing arts.. Chi Kung.. or Qi Qong is very similar and is 
Chinese.   
flute
Carolyn Maloney
Reiki Master 
I was a natural healer as well.