kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 198 

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: To all


To all. When I first found this list I was very happy because i had
found someone to share the K. experience with and also recieve.  It has
been a real joy to me to hear from you all. I do not intend to diminish
my experience by reading posts designed to undo me.
Therefore I always hit delete before I read anything that may cause  me
to unenjoy the list.  
So I still enjoy it very much. I do wish more of you would post to it
and tell me more about your thoughts on K. 
Love to all . Royale
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: Tammie Roy-Lamb 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

  I started doing Kundalini yoga in January of 96'.  I feel in love with
 the practice. WOW, what a remarkable balancing I feel in my life.  I have 
started taking the Teacher's Training course about 4 weeks ago, 
very interesting.  I learn so much,  I love to be informed.  I started
waking up at 5:30 in March to do a set.  First time in my life I felt 
grounded, and not scatter like I'd been feeling in the life.  
In June,  June 7 to be exact I got sick and ended in the hospital 
with a bowel obsturction I couldn't do anything strenuous.  Now, I am back 
to doing my yoga.  Now I get up at 4:30.  A great way to start my day.   
  I have found out that making a commitment is the first step to changing 
your life.  Has anyone taken the teacher's training course out there?



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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: Ronald Paniagua 
Subject: Royale - more post to the list

Beloved Royale:
You asked for more post to the list, here is mine:
Kundalini conect us with higher sources and higher realms,
one of these is Daniel, a blue (all his body is blue)
space-brother from the seventh dimension, who loves us 
all very much. He told us recently that in China, there
are preparing a to test a nuclear warhead as big a never
before, which would do so much demage to Mother Earth, she
can not support anymore (specialy her lower ckaras); so 
Daniel askks us, to help with our pure energy thast these
nuclear war-head will  n o t  be tested.
Help!
Love simply IS!
Antaris
llimiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: "Your friend at:" 
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Kabbalah Experiment Update

Dear Royale, 

	"Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
nonexistent (the material body) there is no endurance and of the eternal
(the soul) there is no change.  This they have concluded by studying the
              nature of both."  (Bhag. gita as it is 2.16)

	I pray all is well.  What is our real identity?  How do we
                    tolerate the three fold miseries?
Sincerely, 

Christopher

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"The person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady
               in both is certainly eligible for liberation."
                        Bhagavad gita as it is 2.15

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On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Royale Jills wrote:

> Christopher. It has been my experience, over the years, that you can do
> what  you want to direct the K. energy but one fully aroused she does as
> she pleases. Love Royale
> 
> 



Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: Christopher Williams 
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Kabbalah Experiment Update
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In message , Royale Jills 
writes
>Christopher. It has been my experience, over the years, that you can do
>what  you want to direct the K. energy but one fully aroused she does as
>she pleases. Love Royale
>

Royale:

Who would have it any other way?

Christopher Williams  



Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Kabalah Experiment (long reply)

Christopher Williams wrote:
> 
> Juliet:
> 
> You are still here! so what happened??
> 
> A little more fact as to just what you did and a little less alarm might
> me more helpful.

Sorry.  Didn't mean to be glib, but I had really quite disastrous
results--

It is difficult for me to reconstruct precisely now what I did--and it
would be way too complicated.  Also, I don't want to generate a recipe
for disaster with someone else.  In an abreviated nutshell:

Some time after receiving shaktipat (pretty much at random, I went with
my mother to her ashram), I started fooling around with some Kabalah
excercises, as described by Israel Regardie.  When I was a kid (in
southern california) a good friend of mine's mother was in a group of
Regardie's--so I felt a kind of familiarity/affinity with his work.

I was sure at this point that there was "nothing to this stuff," so I
was pretty liberal with my experimentation--which is partly what makes
it difficult to reconstruct exactly now.

I combined some very fundamental knowledge of physics (specifically
dealing with electromagnetic feilds and resonant frequency amplification
principles) with some knowledge of Kabalah (in the Regardie sense). 
Then I set out a kind of hypothesis based on some underlying
"metaphysical" assumptions--and structured an experiment which was
intended to disprove the existance of kabalah, kundalini, etc.

After a couple of visualization experiments I thought (to my surprise)
that I actually may have "seen something."  To prove that it was not the
case, I repeated the proceedure.  Again, I thought I "saw something." 
This couldn't be!  I repeated the proceedure then a number of times and
suddenly (after how long, I can't really tell you) the whole thing
started to take off!  I watched as what I can only describe as a kind of
"particle system" made up of rotating magnetic feilds (roughly
corresponding to chakras/points defined by 7 levels of sephiro) became
more and more tangible--"rezing up," to use computer grapics
terminology.  As this form took on more and more velocity and substance
(over what period of time, I don't really know) I watched with amazement
as it transformed at certain density "flash points" from being a series
of interconnected rotating feilds to:

--a large complex feild which went through many stages of resolution
(too complicated to go into here) then

--a single large rotating feild then

--a single large white snake (with a vine of roses patterned into it's
back!) with it's tail in it's mouth to

--a series of white snakes encircling colored pools (red then orange
then yellow, etc.) to

--two white snakes intertwined to

--a black and a white snake (both with the vine pattern) intertwined to
form what we commonly call a "caduceus" (common to both kundalini and
kabalah imagery, among other things)

It's interesting to note that at the time I wasn't familiar with this
form except as a medical symbol, and as the staff of Hermes from Greek
mythology.  Only subsequent research began to show me the complex
history of the symbology, and that it was actually both kundalini and
kabalah related...

Wow.  Great.  But unfortunately it didn't stop there.  It went totally
out of controll and, over a period of several days, basically ate it's
way through my entire consciousness.  Of course I had no way of knowing
how to stop or even slow down the (apparently way accelorated) process.
And this is the problem.  Once you start fooling around with this stuff,
if it "takes off" you won't know the formula for stoppiong it. 
Pandora's box.  The Sorcerer's Apprentice.  It was a nightmare that
wouldn't go away.  It was as though it created a vacuum and then I
(energetically) imploded.  It was every kundalini disaster you ever
heard of.  I went completely out of my mind, and could only function
socially in a marginal manner.  Several of my friends would have noting
to do with me.

It took years to bring it completely under controll--yoga (for the past
three or so years) has been a Godsend.

And that's why I don't reccommend it.

Juliet

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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: new list?

Dear k friends,

Did you know that it would be very easy to have a carbon-copy mailing list
of private names, for those who make the heartfelt choice to include only
those in a discussion who brought with them a like type of energy? There's
nothing wrong with differences, but there is a place for people who want to
get together because of what they share in common, without having everything
they say attacked and flamed.

Anyone who owns Eudora could easily set up such a private dialog.

Apparently such was attempted before, I don't know what the success was. But
I was thinking of a list that discussed k from more of a
tantric/non-fundamentalist/inquiring/experiential/loving/community point of
view. Such a list would have a broad standard of acceptance and loving
energy as a condition for remaining on the list.


Best, traveler



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Kabalah Experiment (long reply)

Juliet wrote:
> 
> Christopher Williams wrote:
> >
> > Juliet:
> >
> > You are still here! so what happened??
> >
> > A little more fact as to just what you did and a little less alarm might
> > me more helpful.
> 
> Sorry.  Didn't mean to be glib, but I had really quite disastrous
> results--
> 
>Juliet,
Hi, quite an experience I not that out of the ordinary when folks get
involved with things that are not brought to them by Divine Will. The
different between opening to divine will and working through faith and
trust in the Holy Spirit as the teacher, and trying or experimenting on
your own ... is day and night. When your soul/spirit is taking you into
awakening because all of the foundation work has been created and
absorbed then everything just is, and what happens is totally in union
with Divine Will. When a person is trying this and that, thinking and
wondering, getting fixed on one thought or another then switching to a
brand new set of thoughts, this will bring in confusion, doubt, and a
host of other energies which will cause one to spin. This is simply not
the way of love and faith. But, I do believe there was a lot of good
information that was brought to you. Gloria
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: "Debee L. Thomas" 
Subject: Re: new list?

> Apparently such was attempted before, I don't know what the success was. But
> I was thinking of a list that discussed k from more of a
> tantric/non-fundamentalist/inquiring/experiential/loving/community point of
> view. Such a list would have a broad standard of acceptance and loving
> energy as a condition for remaining on the list.

I can understand this thinking, and even appreciate it.  However, if 
everyone leaves the list there will be those who remain behind who will 
miss what you have to share.  I also wonder if the other list wouldn't 
eventually endure the same types of problems?  Please give this much 
thought before acting as there are others who need what everyone has to 
share.  Even the bickering serves a purpose.  It shows us where we are or 
are not, and it also serves as a reminder of things we do not want to, 
nor need to become a part of.  Remember too that when there is a struggle 
of any kind, on any level, you always have the choice as to whether or 
not you want to become a part of it.  The choice is always our own to 
make.  Even if something is said which offends us, search out the reason 
it offends and then come to terms with it.  We don't need to feed into 
difficult situations, nor do we need to justify what is right and best 
for us.  I believe the sharing will parallel that of another person so 
why withold it?  And most important, why jump into the struggle?

I've sat and read much which I don't agree with, and much which I agree 
with.  It's not necessary for me to defend my position because it's mine 
and mine alone.  I'm very happy to share it, and if it comes under 
attack, I let it go on by because we are all on the same path, just at 
different phases.  We were all at the beginning at one time, and there 
will always be others ahead.  Please give serious consideration to 
leaving the list to begin another one.  I think if you are realistic in 
your thinking, you'll realize that it will eventually be the same.  Will 
you then begin another list?  Then another?  Then what?  Running away 
from a situation will only create a similar situation so why not stick 
with it and see it through?  
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Blessed Be

Debee



Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: [Fwd: boredom]
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Thanks to you and to all the others who rescued me last night.  The 
chuckle was well worth the preceeding meloncholy, and yes, today is much 
easier to take.

jan
> >



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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: new list?

I totally agree with you Debee, and I waited a long time before suggesting
this, knowing in my heart that all you say is how I feel as well. 

However, for some time, in my heart of hearts, I have yearned for a group of
loving, like minded indivuals. At least more so than what I have seen on
this list. No matter what we do, I do not feel like this is a place where I
can reveal my deeper feelings. And yet, I love the k people. THey are my
sisters and brothers. I want to dialog with those of them who have more in
common with me in terms of enegy and tone. I still expect diversity. I seek
open hearts, not lectures, that type of thing. Acceptance for who we are an
unique individuals with k, not lectures and flames. Reality is, I want a
place to open my heart, to give and receive love. No more , no less. And I
have concluded that this energy here is beuatiful, informative, lots of
things...just not one part that I also yearn for. 

Joining one in no way means that I for one plan to leave this list. It is
not an either/or choice. I love this list, differences and all. I plan to
stay here and participate as always.

Just wanting some of the loving k side, too, and wondering if there are like
minded souls out there.

best, traveler


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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 
From: csbsATNOSPAMccis.org.uk (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: Re: new list?

Patti said...Just wanting some of the loving k side, too, and wondering if there
are like minded souls out there.

best, traveler

I have just subscribed to this list and this is the first message I am sending.

I wish to send you and all of you my love.  I am not a fundamentalist but I do
wish to bear witness to my master, Jesus.

Jesus said "love one another... no greater command is there than this...." but
he also sends his Holy Spirit, who is a fire within men and women. 

"Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life", is a scripture
which has helped me in understanding the phenomenon of kundalini, because I feel
that, following on the new birth of kundalini, there is the need for
faithfulness and honesty and integrity.  In time He leads us to a state of which
we can only guess, in which the mantle of kundalini is fully grown within us and
which becomes a living crown.

I do not wish to affront you, and Jesus also said that, although He is the true
shepherd there are other sheepfolds.  I take this to mean that He guides people
in different ways and in different guises.  The Lord of the Dance doesn't dance
with only one partner, but dances within the community of people on Earth,
rather like in a ceilidh, where partners are constantly interacted with.
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>From my understanding to yours I say, peace.  I hope we can talk together as
equals in a marvellous undertaking.... LIFE.

Mail from the CCIS FirstClass Server via Artemis



Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: new list?

Robert Chalmers wrote:
> 
> Patti said Just wanting some of the loving k side, too, and wondering if there
> are like minded souls out there.
> 
> best, traveler
> 
> I have just subscribed to this list and this is the first message I am sending.
> 
> I wish to send you and all of you my love.  I am not a fundamentalist but I do
> wish to bear witness to my master, Jesus.
> 
> Jesus said "love one another... no greater command is there than 

> I do not wish to affront you, and Jesus also said that, although He is the true
> shepherd there are other sheepfolds.  I take this to mean that He guides people
> in different ways and in different guises.  The Lord of the Dance doesn't dance
> with only one partner, but dances within the community of people on Earth,
> rather like in a ceilidh, where partners are constantly interacted with.


> Robert,
Welcome to the list, I will let you know many people on the list have
some problem with Christian perspective so be prepared for it through
detachment. You will be comfortable probably with my homepage
http://:www.inetworld.com/lodpress/ Check into it and I would love to
talk. 

Don't get me wrong this is a great list, just some folks have some
serious problems with words and belief systems. And, yes Christ is
indeed the center of the frequency of light. Gloria



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: tejkohliATNOSPAMgiasdl01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: leaving...

Hi everyone!

	I have enjoyed being on this list, and either participating in or 
watching some of the dramas. I have learned quite a few things too. I 
have to leave for UK and USA now, so I will be unsubbing.

	I would just like to say, in parting, a few things. In my 
experience with K through the thick and the thin, I have realised that it 
is K that is in control and is guiding every step of the way. I have seen 
it umpteen number of times. There is no one who has any say in the 
matter. It is only your own K that is in control. And this K is in 
alignment with the deepest part of your being - the Inner Self. And sorry 
to say and no disrespect intended - there is no Christ there, no Buddha, 
no Mohammed, no Krishna. Thats simply the fact. We may decide to color 
that colorlessness with our own colored glasses of Christianity, Buddhism 
etc, but that is another matter.

	I feel that this list should only investigate the science of K 
that reveals itself to various individuals in various ways, and yet with 
a common thread. That kind of sharing would perhaps enhance the 
collective energy and may help. Maybe we can leave the discussions about 
the religions and their prescribes preformatted ways to maybe another list?

	I would also like to say, in parting that, no individual has the 
MORAL right tp try and judge anyone, and that includes whether they are 
right or wrong. No one in my belief, should tell anyone what they should 
do with their lives or minds or bodies. THAT if any, is the only SIN.

	Sorry for the long post. Good Bye and Best of Luck to you all.
	Peace and Love to you all.
Tej



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: susanmayATNOSPAMdigital.net
Subject: Re: leaving...

>From Tej,

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>>Hi everyone!

>>	I have enjoyed being on this list, and either participating in or 
watching some of the dramas. I have learned quite a few things too. I 
have to leave for UK and USA now, so I will be unsubbing.

	>>I feel that this list should only investigate the science of K 
that reveals itself to various individuals in various ways, and yet with 
a common thread. That kind of sharing would perhaps enhance the 
collective energy and may help. Maybe we can leave the discussions about 
the religions and their prescribes preformatted ways to maybe another list?

>>	I would also like to say, in parting that, no individual has the 
MORAL right tp try and judge anyone, and that includes whether they are 
right or wrong. No one in my belief, should tell anyone what they should 
do with their lives or minds or bodies. THAT if any, is the only SIN.

>>	Sorry for the long post. Good Bye and Best of Luck to you all.
	Peace and Love to you all.
Tej

I am just following on your shirt tail here, Tej.  I've only been on the list 
a couple months but have learned much from many of you.  Thank you for sharing 
so deeply and heart to heart.  

Tej, I agree with what you are saying.  Wishing you well and also wishing all 
the listers well as I unsubscribe to focus on my writing for a few months.  

Namaste,
Sue



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: List Noise Figure and the Light

In electronics, the noise figure is the ratio of the usable signal to the
unusable.  Go compare this list with some of the other groups:  Eastern
religion, Zen, Meditation, Yoga or New Age and you will quickly discover that
your list is a vein of pure gold.

Enlighten me fellow list members, for I am new to the light and my only fear
is that I will slip back into the land of "Seinfeld" and all the other
shallowness.  Why do I feel only pity for those who attack me?  I am simply
delighted that my fellow men do not scoop me up and cast me into the sea  in
a fit of jealousy.  For I stand in perpetual sun while they moan and shuffle
through recurring rain and constant soggy debris.  

And when they say, "You don't have an awakening--you have gas.  Take two Tums
and you'll feel better in the morning" , I must use a root lock to squelch my
body's laughter.

And so fellow Kundalini sensitive souls, if you feel rain in the list and
would say, "I feel cold and wet.  I think I will go inside."  You will be
leaving the tears of God for the rest of us to enjoy.

Love,

Joe

LOOK FOR THE SIGNAL

 



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: open heart

Patti,

In a message dated 96-10-17 19:51:22 EDT, you write:

> No matter what we do, I do not feel like this is a place where I
>can reveal my deeper feelings. And yet, I love the k people. THey are my
>sisters and brothers. I want to dialog with those of them who have more in
>common with me in terms of enegy and tone. I still expect diversity. I seek
>open hearts, not lectures, that type of thing. Acceptance for who we are an
>unique individuals with k, not lectures and flames. Reality is, I want a
>place to open my heart, to give and receive love. No more , no less. And I
>have concluded that this energy here is beuatiful, informative, lots of
>things...just not one part that I also yearn for. 

For what it's worth to you, I have learned for MYSELF, that if I cannot open
my heart in safety in one place, I cannot do it in others either.  For there
is an "inner" unsafety feeling which attracts daggers and flames to itself
simply because of the inner core belief.  I have learned to work with my own
issues of nonsafety & nonsecurity, gradually changing the beliefs to a
knowing that I AM SAFE & SECURE EVERYWHERE, NO MATTER WHERE THAT BE.  And
even now when I get attacked or flamed, I 'feel' it less & less as hurt, and
more & more as loving compassion for that person's unawareness.

So it is working for me to CREATE safety & security first INSIDE, so that it
will be reflected on the outside.  Am I done yet?  Heck, no!  But I can
honestly say that when I share from my heart and it is completely open, I
vary rarely get attack responses.  And when I do, I know it is time to work
with that inner me who's not feeling safe, who feels vulnerable, who needs
love & support.  I get more & more powerful in SELF (spiritual, not ego)
everyday.  This stuff is amazing!

My love & support to you,  Barb  ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 
From: camint 
Subject: New
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Dear interested,

My name is Andrew, I am 23 years old and have finally found a net
listserver where I can learn more about Kundalini. While also sharing my
experiences.

I will keep this brief. But what I say and what I will always say is the
truth. But this would already be known because we have all been touched
in some way by the Serpent.
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My first experience with Kundilini was at the age of 5. By the age of 16
I had read enough books about this Serpent to consider myself ready for
experimentation. Well this was not the case, I soon learnt that I
thought I was ready to experiment with the most dangerous force in
existance. So I soon woke up out of my dream and decided that
experimentation was not such a good idea.

To cut a long story short, I did experiment and I now have cleansed 5 of
the eight Shakra's, only my third eye to finish and then the most
important of all.  I have had one experience where this energy gave me a
taste of her power. It was that intense I knew nothing but at the same
time I knew everything. I am going by feelings here, but if I died at
that point I would have known what I had finally reached the goal that
all humans must take, and fear was never nearby.
 
A bit of background;
I am a scientist, specialising in plant viruses at the molecular level,
thus I find science and spiritualism very interesting.
I am also an International marketing director co-ordinating two
companies between the US and Australia.

That will do for now.I will be happy to pass my experiences, and
nightmares onto the list. I will also be enlightened by hearing some of
the experiences which others have had and are having.

Thankyou all in advance.

Regards

Andrew