kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 184 

Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: davelong 
Subject: Re: Kundalini, anyone?

Richard Satin wrote:

> And what about us on this list?  Are we really acting
> "respectfully" towards each other?  What are we doing -
> if anything - to exacerbate our differences?  Is it
> possible for us to find some common ground?
> I don't know.  But I have hopes.
> Richard

Richard,

You presented an interesting analysis. If there are indeed two
distinct groups, as you had delimited them, then Group #2 would
never see any real distinctions between the two. They would not
see "us" and "them" but "we." By the same token, it would be
those in Group #2 who would be less rankled at seeing something
they disagree with, and one further wonders if they would have
any opinions at all.

However, since you had already declared your non-membership in
Group #1, one may assume your analysis is somewhat colored by
your perception. The use of terms such as "love" and "tolerance"
and "compassion" and "understanding" in describing Group #2 can
be viewed as falsehoods. Is it a "compassion" to allow people to
destroy themselves? Or is it a false-compassion to do so? Are
we not our brothers' keeper?

The delimited list can be further refined as follows:

Group #1: SEEKERS. They are looking into activating their
kundalini, for reasons and motives one can only imagine. For
these people, let me say that it is easy to start the process.
Only God can bring it to completion.

Group #2: HUMANIST. "There is no absolute God, or moral absolutes.
Christianity sucks, and rules suck. Guilt sucks. And so does the
sinful society of corporate greed. There are only economic sins,
no personal sins. Man is the measure of all things. If it feels
good, do it. Do what you want to, so long as it doesn't (apparently)
hurt anyone (else) (right away). Kundalini means feeling good about
oneself." Escaping with sex, with drugs, with Nature. Second chakra.
The joy and pleasure they derive from ridiculing morality in no way
balances out the great suffering of the broad masses of people which
immorality causes, especially to themselves. Life is a game, and
it's called "Me First." Probably most are college graduates, having
been indoctrinated by the New High Priests: college professors.
The main appeal of kundalini to the humanists is that it *appears*
to be morally-neutral.

Group #3: NEW AGE. Again, drug-induced, but only up to the fifth
chakra. Supersensitivity to new ideas and concepts. Powers, traps,
and a constant self-searching and self-doubting. God exists to them,
but they don't know Him yet. Until they do, there will always be a
measure of doubt. Perhaps they follow a valid religious tradition
from the East, but still retain some of the old-baggage of the
humanist camp, especially in their world-view of right and wrong
having no absolutes. They delude themselves in thinking they're
Enlightened, or near-Enlightened, or in the Dark Night of the
Soul. However, they can now discern the existence of demons, and
can begin to recognize the wiles of the devil, which the humanists
can't.

Group #4: TRADITIONALIST. Those who follow a religious tradition.
If they break their arm, they don't fiddle with it and fix it
according to how *they* think it should be fixed. No. They seek
out a wise and experienced doctor to set their broken arm. They
are centered on God, and His love, not on any merely human
intellect or potential. They will advance to the 6th chakra.

Group #5: GIFTED: Receivers of the dual gift of an awakened
kundalini and a competent traditionalist teacher. They easily
glide through the chakras, experiencing only quickly all the
pitfalls and problems of the path. Sixth chakra.

Group #6: EVER-FREE. They are Boddhisatvas, those who choose to
come back, out of their compassion for the suffering of humanity.
But there are none of these on the list. They are quietly living
their lives among the poor, the rejected, the diseased, the
abused, unclean, the insane, the criminal, the disenfranchised,
and the lost. 

Kundalini is a lot like the self-ascribed 'Born-Again' label: 
Some have it, others want it.



Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 
From: Jessica Diane Simon 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

  Hello.  
My name is Jessica and something strange is happening to me.  I wonder how many
letters start like that.  I wonder if I'm supposed to be typing this out in a
line or hitting 'enter' every so often so that it looks like a paragraph.  Okay.
I'm twenty-two, I have a degree in Theatre Arts...umm... I guess I'll try to
get to the point. I attended a Rainbow Gathering this summer, and like an idiot
I took some mushrooms on the advice of friends without doing the apropriate
research.  Please don't send me a bunch of letters telling me how stupid that
was.  I know. Anyway, I was doing okay for a while, and then this very nice man
offered to give me a massage.  I believe he said that he practiced 'tantric
yoga'. So he stated working on my back,and it felt wonderful.  Also, he was
telling me all kinds of very true things about myself.  He said that he was
doing energy work to try to release a block in my heart.  He did NOT know about
the mushrooms.  I hear you out there sayi ng 'oh no!' Well, I guess the     
block came loose. I cannot describe exactly what happened.  I had several
powerful sensations all at once.  I was crying, for sure, and I passed out.
Like being everything.  Nothing. I don't know. When I came back around this man
was appologising and saying that he must have "accidentally set up a minor
kundalini" (!?!)  So I chocked it up to wierd drug experience and
let-that-be-a-lesson-to-me.  But now, months later, it keeps comming back. It
dominates my thoughts.  The absolute nature of things.  The sense that
something is happening with me, and that maybe I jump-started it too early but
now it's too late to go back because it has a life of it's own.  My friends
opinions are divided between 'well, that's mushrooms for you' and 'wow, you're
really on to something, you should meditate.' I've tried it, and it seems to
bring on the symptoms more acutely.  Maybe I'm just going crazy.  Hearing
strange words.  Not in English.  Please please don' t think I'm making this up
or exaggerating it.  I'm really scared.  Anyway, I just recently remembered
exactly what he said. "minor kundalini" so I looked up the word and here you
are.  I know how very ignorant I am and I would appreciate whatever information
or sympathy may be out there.  Write 'firefly' in the subject and my housemates
will know it's for me and not read it.  Thank you for your time,  Jessica.   
-



Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: categories

Dear Dave,

I don't fit in "into" any of your categories.  But that's OK - TO LABEL ME IS
TO LIMIT ME, and I AM unlimited potential.

I also recognize that along the way, I probably have traveled through all of
your categories, so I am "they" as well.

Matters not to me - I embrace all.  BUT, embracing all does not mean being
blind to fear, control, anger, greed, etc. for ME.  I still play a very
active role in helping transform those emotions into love, joy, happiness,
responsibility, peace, calm, etc.  I can embrace ALL with love, but I can at
the same time PREFER more positive approaches to life.  And the best way I
have found to accomplish that is through love & acceptance.  That's where
transformation occurs.  Personal experience.....

Blessings,  Barb



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 

Subject: a piece of fluff

With all the very heavy topics and debates that have started of late, I
decided that some mind-numbing silly information is in order.

So where does one go to get such information?  Why, television of course.

So with that in mind I offer this.

If anyone watched Roseanne last night, they may have noticed that there was
a decidedly new age bent to it.  In fact, Roseanne mentioned getting her
chakras open and her kundalini awakened.

So now millions of people have heard the term "kundalini".  Many have access
to the internet and may check it out on the web.   If you think the volume
of mail is bad now....

Perhaps we should take advanced measures to allow for the onslaught of TV
related posts.  So I put it to the list members, should we have a
Kundalini-TV list or just break it down by TV network?
-
There...

Now your minds should be sufficiently clear of all thoughts and a collective
sigh should be heard.

See?  Television can be helpful.


In Service to the Light,  (soon to be a TV miniseries starring Valerie
Bertinelli on CBS)





Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: a piece of fluff - one better!

 wrote: With all the very heavy topics...of late...television 
..Roseanne mentioned...chakras open and her kundalini awakened.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll go you one better AND I bet it has happened to a lot of others. I 
was reminded of it by an email from P.N. I have been getting really 
great parking spaces! Whaaaaaat are you talking about I hear some 
say??? Others are saying, yup, noticed that all along. My wife noticed 
shortly after my K-A that we were getting parking spots almost at the 
entrance to anyplace we went. The reason it struck her is that I tend, 
like some men, to circle endlessly in parking lots looking for that 
best of spots. This quest has always puzzled Karen and in frustration 
she would say, "Why don't you just park in an empty spot, we DO have 
legs." Lately, that doesn't usually happen because wherever we go, we 
just drive up to the closest parking area and if there isn't a space 
available as we approach, someone will pull out just as we get there - 
most often within the 5 closest spaces. This has become such a regular 
occurance that the 5% of the time when it doesn't happen we both get 
disappointed and blame my k-parking-attendant for being asleep. Other 
than this rash of 'reserved parking' occurring since my K-A I can't 
figure how it could possibly be related - just part of the 'Storm of 
Synchronicities' (thanks for that reference P.N.). Any comments? Or 
even one better yet? -)  :-0  8-0  DAN-RF



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Re: FIREFLY - Jessica Diane Simon


-
Hello Jessica,

Once something is done, there is no use saying it was stupid.  This is
something that is making up your being.
Defining you.  The true you, not what everyone tells you you are.  

You are right about not going back.  Kundalini has a life of its own.  It is
stored in the body and when the time comes it needs to rise up.  Once it
starts this ascension, you need to let it flow and accept it.  Or more
blocks like the one removed can be created.

Meditation is a great thing.  Watch your thoughts and what you are doing and
then ask yourself what you are feeling and why?  Why do I think these things
.  Because this is what I was told or because this is what I feel.

Kundalini has all kinds of symptoms and crying is definitely one of them. 
It is o.k. to be afraid.  Some times Kundalini changes a persons beliefs and
sometimes these beliefs go so much deeper that a person can ever realize
until they come face to face with them.  Be strong and loving and
understanding to yourself.

There is a lot of good advise you can get from people at the kundalini
mailing list, I'm just a novice when it comes to life.  But I can tell you,
you are embarking on a great journey within and outside yourself.

There are all kinds of books out there on kundalini and you can find them at
stores like BORDERS under NEW AGE or RELIGION.

Take care of yourself.
-
Love and light,
John Halonen



Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Definition of Humanity

>A more realistic cosmology is one which views human life as more than
>a mere game,

OK

> where each and every person has equal worth and value,

Sorry, I can't totally agree with you here; but it's probably symantics. The
Olympic javallyn(?) thrower champion is hardly the equal of a boy throwing a
stick in his yard, in terms of physical training and ability.  In terms of
potential for enlightenment, though, I would agree that they are probably equal.

>and that their ONLY worth and value comes from the fact that God
>loves them.

No no no no!  People create value in their lives in many ways; physically,
financially, mentally, spiritually.  This above statement smacks of THAT
PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS CRAP [sorry, but i'm getting a little riled up!] that
man/woman/whatever is just some humble little piece of shit who can only look
to outside itself for love, protection, BLAME ["original sin"; "the devil made
me do it"], and enlightenment. 


> If those 300,000 men had listened to the KINDNESS of
>religious morality,

Whose? YOURS?!

> they would all be alive now, instead of dead.

You don't know that.

Anyway, I'm out of time.
--Bob



Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" 
Subject: Re: a piece of fluff - one better!
-
On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:

> legs." Lately, that doesn't usually happen because wherever we go, we 
> just drive up to the closest parking area and if there isn't a space 
> available as we approach, someone will pull out just as we get there - 
> most often within the 5 closest spaces. This has become such a regular 
> occurance that the 5% of the time when it doesn't happen we both get 
> disappointed and blame my k-parking-attendant for being asleep. Other 
> than this rash of 'reserved parking' occurring since my K-A I can't 
> figure how it could possibly be related - just part of the 'Storm of 
 
 
Dan,
 
I find the same thing and it is quite unique, and you can train the
subconsious to do this all the time. Kundalini or any type of opening up
of your senses will start the merging process of the subconsious and
consious minds. This is a natuaral accurance with those that do these
types of exercises and start to project more and more energy.
- 
My wife and I went to the Beach one day and it was packed. I said to her
that I had reserved a space through my mind and that it would either be
there or someone was reserving it for us. Sure enough almost right on the
beach!
 
When you get good enough at projecting the energy you can also call people
to your aid in the event of car breaking down, flat tire, lost- whatever.
It works and is based on how much you believe that it works as well as
knowing the right projection methods.
- 
Just a quick story: I was traveling in my car to a part of NJ that I was
not that familiar with, but knew of one guy that I had met like one time,
and for some reason I remembered his face, but not his name or anything
else. I had parked my car at a hotel, and a friend met me and we went to
visit someone. When we got back, I had left the lights on in the car and
my car was dead. When I went into the hotel to inquire about jumper
cables, I went to the bar, and the bartender WAS THE GUY THAT I HAD MET
BRIEFLY ABOUT 12 YEARS BEFORE, AND HAD THOUGHT ABOUT ON MY WAY UP THERE. I
had a very strange feeling, and I told my friend and he was like, sure
you did, but it is true and I have other weird things that have happened
but I will save that for another time.
 
It is the same when you think of someone and they call you on the phone.
You have projected that thought impulse hard enough for them to pick up on
it and act on it.
 
I want to also say that I feel bad for those of you that did not like my
last post, but it was from my heart, and I try to always speak that way. I
am not a hatefull person and I don't condemn or judge anyone, as I realize
that that which I sow I will also reap, and that is a heavy price to pay.
I will try not to make any more coments that might be mistaken for mean
spriritedness or hatred towards others that don't share my views, but I am
a type A personality and have a tendency to shoot from the hip. 
 


Respectfully 
 
Al Perhacs
-


Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: my retraction

A few, mabey several weeks ago, someone posted a message that said in 
effect, that our laws should legislate morality, that it is only a 
question of who's morality will be legal or illegal.
-
Really, the person is right.  What else can a law possibly do?

I believe that the choice to do "immoral" or self-destructive things is 
not simply a right but is inherent in living.  We moderate this by 
limiting what others are *allowed* to do by making laws to "protect" 
ourselves or others.

I believe that we need to be able and willing to make sure that it is 
*our* morality that is supported by our laws, rather than some 
fundamentalist view of morality.

I apologize for any attack I made toward this person.
( it was a few weeks ago, but its been on my mind off and on.)

Mac.



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Bow to the savior...or else!

Well,  I^ve been sitting back, reading messages saying to turn the other 
cheek; hit the delete; everyone should have their say, etc., etc.

Bullshit!  This is not supposed to be a political forum,  nor is it supposed 
to be the united christian network. If I want to talk about the politics of 
abortion,  I^ll go to a list that deals with that subject;  if I want to be 
rescued of my sins by some all knowing christian, then I^ll go to a list 
that saves souls.

But I^ll be damned if I will come to a list that has absolutely nothing to 
do with either subject, only to find these assholes trying to shove their  
beliefs upon me.  Whether I have the option to delete, turn my cheek, 
whatever, is inmaterial.  I did not come to this list for this type of shit!

You tell me what christianity has to do with Kundalini?  Anyone who has 
researched K knows that they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with each 
other.  But these god-damned christians have to control everything;  they 
have to reach their slimy tentacles into every facet of every persons life, 
because they^re all knowing, and there going to save US from our ^sins^ 
whether we like it or not.  Well not this boy...

If you think for one minute I^m going to sit here and open myself,  while 
these sons-a-bitches are sitting in the wings, just waiting to shove their 
shit down my throat,  think again.

I didn^t come here to be preached to. I came here to discuss the subject of 
KUNDALINI, period.
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You say  ^hit the delete button^  ...consider it done... 

 

 
-- 

  \|\|\|\|\|\|      CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE,  ...Nannu     |\|\|\|\|\|\

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Natasha Avon 
Subject:  Bow to the savior...or else! -Reply

I'm relatively new to this list and have been more or less a lurker, until I
read the barrage of what appears to be Christian-Coalition geared crap.

Eight years in a Catholic school and numerous visits by Jehovah's
Witlesses and various and sundry other evangelical types were the
reason I threw it away and began studying Wicca and other alternative
forms of religion. The Christians want your souls, the christians want
your money, and, as Nannu succinctly pointed out, they want CONTROL.
Hell, giving ancient nuns the power to whup little girls uniformed behinds
with a scourge ain't enuf, is it?

I don't appreciate any talk whatsoever of abortion. You have your
view(s), I have mine -- leave the abortion law and the matters of ethics
alone, dammit! If one's religion or personal ethics do not believe in
abortion then that person doesn't have to get one, does she? Personally,
I wouldn't call abortion murder - perhaps suicide. if I were to become
pregnant and abortion was illegal I would go bankrupt with doctor and
hospital fees because my insurance doesn't cover 100% of the costs
and I only work part time. We're talking financial/emotion suicide.

I expect flaming - hell, I have a delete key just like most people. But
expressing my feelings as I did above are just proving the point when I
and others mention that the list is straying from the subject of K. I don't
want to hear about the damned Christians; I want to know whether
these out-of-control feelings of fear, anger and at times utter hatred for
most everything are part of K and if so what do I do about them (other
than finding a cheap therapist).

No one's doing me any favors by fueling my rage; Chicago yuppies and
other imbeciles are already doing a great job of that. Let's just try to keep
to the subject for which this list was created, and maybe I'll be able to
put on a happy post next time.

Merry meet merry part
-
Natasha Avon



Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 
From: "PHUOC NGUYEN" 
Subject: Kundalini (Vietnamese way)

General:    
-    The kundalini can be awake by: drugs (wrong way), accidents (unexpected 
way), and the benefit of some near incarnations (like in a kind of special 
massage).
    It can be  awake easily by 70% of female :-)
    It can be measurable by a pendulum

Danger:

1. When this power is awake your blood pressure Become two time higher:
Example: Your normal blood pressure is 14-09. When the kundalini (a kind of 
electrostatic or magnetism) is awake, it becomes 24-18 that mean you can die 
only by this high blood pressure.

2. The kundalini is only a power and it can be guide by your mind or 
concentration like: 
     
      ATNOSPAMWhen you drive a car, we have two kinds of driver:
	a. Drunk driver: you maybe ended up normally by an accident
	b. Normal driver: It seems to be more safe with this kind of driver because 
you can control your car.
-       
       ATNOSPAM In the Kundalini we also have two kinds of mind:
	
A. Monkey mind (with all the angry, worry, scary, selfish…) can not handle or 
control this                             power when it is awake: We have two 
kinds of accident:
	    a1. Suddenly, out of control: The kundalini awake and go through the  
canal of the spinal cord and fly away from the top of the head at the vital 
acupuncture point (Bach Hoi or Pai Hui). You will be sick, I mean "real sick", 
for a long time ( 3 or 6 months) after this scary accident. You can not try it 
any more.
	     a2. The Kundalini can not be awake. With a power of self-hypnoses, a 
very few people can open it but in a wrong way: The kundalini suddenly go down 
and all your sperm go out you get sick for a long, long time. 
	
B. Peaceful mind [well-prepared mind: vegetarian (to keep the blood pressure 
down at 9-7 or 11-8. Good concentration (by the way of practicing meditation) 
good behaviors (always be nice without selfish), almost never become angry 
(the duration of the angry time can be ended at no more than two minutes)] 
will have many options:
-	    b1. Smart very smart: The sixth sense becomes  very accurate and almost 
precise.
	    b2. Some Supranormal powers: Clairvoyance, telepathy, right vision of an 
aura.
	 (Coming up: how to avoid the Monkey mind and get all the good behaviors by 
meditation.)
   ^    ^
( 0 Y 0 )
     ||        Happy Halloween.Phuoc Nguyen
  \,,,,,/
-


Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: Bow to the savior...or else!

NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com wrote:
>
> You tell me what christianity has to do with Kundalini?  Anyone who has
> researched K knows that they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with each
> other.  

Granted, middle-American protestant evangelical sunday morning
Christianity has apparently nothing to do with K, but ...

FYI: see the book 'Trabelin On' about the African American baptist 
experience.  Some very definite K experiences described.
Also see book: 'God Struck Me Dead' (may be out of print).

Look at the Pentecostals, and the Quakers. Read Meister Eckhart.

Some Christians call K the 'Holy Spirit'.  Used to be called 'Pneuma'
by the ancient Christians (pneuma ~ breath or spirit).  
(from the dictionary: "to breathe upon," is used of the symbolic 
 act of Jesus in breathing upon His Apostles the 
  communication of the Holy Spirit, John 20:22.)
A vivid K experience is described in book of Acts, 
'tongues of fire descending on the people'

Listen to Gospel Singer Dorothy Love-Coates song 
'I Can Feel the Fire Burnin'

that one definitely perks my K.

cheers



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Natasha Avon 
Subject:  a piece of fluff -Reply



Thank you, thank you for that piece of fluff. I did, in fact, see that episode
and was for a moment floored that any yuppie network writer (but this is
Roseanne we're talking about here) would know anything about such
stuff.

After my recent electronic rampage, I thank you for that breath of fresh
air.

Merry meet merry part

Natasha Avon

PS: I do, however, think the miniseries should also star Meridith
Baxter-Birney.