kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 182
1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996
From: davelong
Subject: Definition of Humanity
Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
> This world is imbued with a richness that many would deny.
> I feel it would be a mistake for me to deny the capability of a
> deity that could create the universe to also create sex for a
> wealth of purposes and ends; all of them sacred.
Hello, Dan.
Sacred purposes and ends, huh? Let's see what's so sacred about
bestiality: Getting to feel the 'interconnectedness' of all
species? How about pedophilia: 'Intergenerational sharing'?
And necrophilia: Breaking the boundaries of the human potential
movementless, no doubt. Hell can seem an eternity, or a hundred
miserable lifetimes.
> To create it with a built-in diversity that would assure the
> survival and enrichment of mankind. If you don't believe in that
> philosophy about sex, how about in other areas. Sickle-cell anemia
> is the bane of the black race of Africa, yes? Granted that a number
> of those afflicted will die of the anemia, but a percentage will
> carry the gene unexpressed and will survive. Guess what? Those
> survivors are immune to malaria!!! This AWFUL diversity is really
> part of the richness of mankind. So is IMHO recreational sex,
> alternate sexual orientations, etc.
Well, your cosmology presents an interesting thought. Since more
than 300,000 homosexual men in the US alone have already been killed
through the self-inflicted disease of AIDS, should we just shrug our
shoulders and declare that the diversity of behaviors is more sacred
than human life itself? Perhaps the AIDS virus is meant to rule supreme
throughout the universe, or at least in Gaia. Can anyone declare
that AIDS "is really a part of the richness of mankind"? I think not.
A more realistic cosmology is one which views human life as more than
a mere game, where each and every person has equal worth and value,
and that their ONLY worth and value comes from the fact that God
loves them. If those 300,000 men had listened to the KINDNESS of
religious morality, they would all be alive now, instead of dead.
A few of them might even now be having kundalini experiences.
Just as sex/marriage has a divine purpose, creating new life, so
does kundalini have a divine purpose, creating New Life. And anyone who
thinks either can be used or abused for any purpose other than what it
is intended for will have a most rude awakening.
2 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Nannu, ...the ongoing saga page#2
I was raised catholic, ...ate it, slept it, lived it. One day at the age of
fourteen, I walked my ^girlfriend^ to her catholic church. I had never been
there before and as we entered the front doors, we were stopped by a
priest with a ^beg bowl^ as I referred to it, and wouldnąt let us in until we
put a donation in. I went totally bonkers, and told him that this god of his
was no less than Hitler himself. The girl I was with turned white, put her
money in the bowl and went in. As I walked away from the church I was
shaking in my boots, waiting for god to strike me dead. I shook for a week
after that, waiting for my punishment, yet defiantly getting stronger and
stronger in my belief that this god was nothing more than a dictator in
disguise. I turned my back on the church completely, but for the longest
time I kept looking over my shoulder, ...waiting...
By the time I started Kundalini, I had, for the most part, gotten over my
fear of this sword wielding, fire breathing, vengeful god,...or so I thought.
Little did I realize the breadth and depth of the hold Christianity had on
me, and only after years of working with Kundalini did I begin to realize
just how deep into me it^s sinister tentacles reached.
By the age of nineteen, although I was studying every culture and religion
I could find, my main focus was now on Kundalini. Back then the
literature was sparse to say the least, and much of it was in Sanskrit, a
language I knew nothing of. But I always was able to find people to help
me decipher the Sanskrit text, and as time went on I became so familiar
with much of the terminology, that, to a good extent, I was able to,
decipher it myself. I was now meditating on a daily basis, or I should say,
trying to meditate. I still did not grasp what meditation was, never mind
the how of it. For years to come I would grapple with this meditation
thing, for I could not find any definition of what it really was, how to
achieve this supposed state of ^no thought^, nor did I understand this
^surrender^ thing that everyone spoke of. Surrender what?,...and how? It
was totally frustrating because everyone was talking it, but no one was
explaining it. Frequently I would shout at the top of my lungs, ^OK, you
sons-a-bitches, I surrender!, ...Now what!?^ It made me feel better, but it
didn^t help the situation any. I was missing something, and I would pour
back over the books and hunt down more books, hoping someone would
explain this ^process^. It would be many years before I would begin to
understand...
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What were these ^sinister tentacles^ that reached so deep into Nannu?
Will he ever learn to meditate? Was it knowledge that got Nannu
into...^the loony bin^? ...more to come...
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\|\|\|\|\|\| CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu |\|\|\|\|\|\
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3 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996
From: "Johannes B. Tuemmers"
Subject: Re: Bio Feedback (long)
Johannes B. Tuemmers wrote:
> (http://biofeedb.ac.at/ibf/ge/news/n_pce.htm)
Excuse me please, I just looked up their www-page again and found the
above given URL to be wrong. Please try this one for the text I quoted
in my previous post.
http://www.biofeedb.ac.at/ibf/us/books/power.htm
There you find some graphics for the seven "Power exercises", too (I
wonder where they got that from - somebody knows?).
--
Johannes B. Tuemmers
jb.tuemmersATNOSPAMuni-koeln.de
http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/jtjt2.htm
4 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Pain and "K" UFO
You wrote: In fact I wonder if the UFO sex encounters are the same
thing? Love Jule
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For a perspective on this, see "The UFO Encounter Experience as a
Crisis of Transformation" by Keith Thompson 1987, reprinted in
"Spiritual Emergency, When Personal Transformation Becomes a Crisis"
edited by Stanislav Grof, M.D., and Christina Grof who founded the
Spiritual Emergence Network (SEN). Love and LAUGHING LIGHT, DAN-)
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5 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Richness of Life
You wrote: What's so sacred about bestiality, pedophilia, necrophilia.
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I AM puzzled, why of all the positive, wonderful, beautiful variations
in the sexual experience do you choose to focus on those that are
generally contrued negatively? Yes, though I would not approve of any
of the above deviations from common sexual behavior, I would not deny
that a deity capable of creating the universe would also create these
variations and I would not rail against the deity for doing so nor
declare that the deity had no purpose for doing so. Just as I would not
subscribe to St. Augustine's proscription against having pleasure in
ordinary, marital conjugation i.e., "the ideal would be for the man to
lay calmly against his wife and allow his seed to pass the way of
menstrual flow without breaking the hymen." YEOW, give me a break. This
world has been screwed up enough by people incapable of ordinary coitus
who thought spirituality was sitting in a monastery cell and flogging
themselves to orgasm while pondering the Word of God and THEN helping
others to see their new-found vision of NORMAL sexuality.
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Can anyone declare that AIDS "is really a part of the richness of
mankind"? I think not.
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Boy, you don't pay attention do you? Of course it is part of the
richness and diversity of mankind. I hope you don't subscribe to the
infantile concept that God only created 'good things' and that the
nasty, naughty, old devil made up the bad stuff? Who was it that
allowed Job to be stricken with sore boils from head to foot (sounds a
lot like AIDS) even though "There is none like him in the earth, a
perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"
That is the pap that was peddled to the ignorant peasants in the Middle
Ages to keep them in line since they couldn't understand anything more
complex.
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If those 300,000 (AIDS-stricken gay) men had listened to the KINDNESS
of religious morality, they would all be alive now, instead of dead.
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A condom would have been more helpful. Did the Roman's say similar
things about the 300,000 'pestilent' Christians as the lions were
munching them? Your homophobia is showing: the same chapter in
Leviticus that proscribes male-male activity proscribes adultery and
gives it exactly the same punishment as a matter of fact it does so
BEFORE mentioning male-male activity. Where is your 'divine disease'
for adulterers? What about the fact that AIDS is rampant among the
heterosexual population in Africa? Is that punishing homosexuals with
divine vengeance for not listening to the KINDNESS of religious
morality? Weird logic or just incomplete facts!
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Just as sex/marriage has a divine purpose, creating new life
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Proverbs 5:
18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts
satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.
The Song of Solomon: 4:
5 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which
feed among the lilies.
6 Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to
the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense.
4: 2 My beloved is gone down into his garden, to the beds of
spices, to feed in the gardens and to gather lilies.
11 I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the
valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates
budded.
Are we talking the same language here? Oh, no! This couldn't possibly
be saying that sex was made for fun, that breasts should be fondled,
not ignored, that cunnilingus combined with breast fondling is fun for
everyone, that if the vine withers during whoopy a little oral
stimulation can help! Yup, that's right, these and HUNDREDS of other
passages were deleted by Mr. Thomas Bowdler in his HOLIER version of
the bible.
Luke 18:
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I
thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust,
adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much
as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be
merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather
than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be
abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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And just in case you think that I am being Holier-than-thou, the above
applies to me just as well. I am just as guilty of venting my spleen in
defense of my point of view as you were. Maybe we could BOTH be a
little more charitable and Christ-like in the future?
Proverbs 15: 1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words
stir up anger.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT
DAN-RF
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6 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996
From: LIShamanATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Peverted religious morality
In a message dated 96-10-07 22:53:44 EDT, you write:
> If those 300,000 (gay) men had listened to the KINDNESS of
>religious morality...
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I will not tolerate the hateful attacks you made in your posting dated 10/07.
As a gay man I am deeply offended by your self-righteous perverted implication
that religion-based homophobia is somehow 'kind'.
I work closely with gay and lesbian youth here on Long Island. 30% of
completed teen-age suicides are by gay youth. A stunning 50% of gay youth
experience harrassment in school and communities, some leading to physical
violence. And over 25% of gay youth are rejected by their families. BY THEIR
OWN FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!
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There is no doubt in my mind that if Jesus was alive today, he would be
marching with us in gay pride parades. He befriended the lepers, the
prostitutes, and confronted the hypocrisy of the religious and political powers
of his day, who ultimately murdered him for his activism. You, stampman, are
the hypocritcal religious power of our day, but completely blind to your
ignorance. Please wake up and stop crucifying us.
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7 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Definition of Humanity
In a message dated 96-10-07 22:53:44 EDT, you write:
> Can anyone declare
>that AIDS "is really a part of the richness of mankind"? I think not.
Yes, I can declare that - I disagree with you.
>A more realistic cosmology is one which views human life as more than
>a mere game, where each and every person has equal worth and value,
>and that their ONLY worth and value comes from the fact that God
>loves them. If those 300,000 men had listened to the KINDNESS of
>religious morality, they would all be alive now, instead of dead.
>A few of them might even now be having kundalini experiences.
Perhaps that one lesson, that God loves them equally is "part of the richness
of mankind." And I suspect there are many more.....
I believe that all atrocities & all great deeds work together in harmony to
rise humanity up to higher levels of awareness & love. Are you now a much
wiser person than you were, say, when you were 18 years old? Can you see
that all of the mistakes you made as a kid & young adult, plus all the great
things you did, form together to make the whole person you are today more
aware with more wisdom? All pieces work in harmony for the growth &
enlightenment of the whole. Look at the bigger picture, widen the lens, and
then it is easier to see "why."
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Agreeing to disagree, Barb
8 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs"
Subject: Re: Definition of Humanity
On Mon, 7 Oct 1996 NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com wrote:
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> > It is pretty amazing how people can justify their actions in one area
> > where it relates to the environment or animals, but when it comes to
> > humans it is totally different. It is just an excuse so that you can live
> > a careless lifestyle and totally shirk the responsibilty of your actions,
> > then after you do something like an abortion, you decide to see if you
> > can save some animals since you feel quilty for killing your own baby!
> >
> > Respectfully
> >
> > Al Perhacs
> __________________
>
> HOW DARE YOU!! Who the hell gives you the right to sit there, like a god,
> accusing people on this list of murdering babies!!
>
> BE GONE WITH YOU! ! ! YOU WHO ARE BETTER THAN THOU!
>
> THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL LIST!! IT IS A KUNDALINI LIST!
>
> You sign, ^respectfully^! You better get your shit straight fella, cause
> you don^t know what ^RESPECT^ is!
>
> --
>
> \|\|\|\|\|\| CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu |\|\|\|\|\|\
Nannu,
You need to relax dude (or dudette), I'm sorry for the wording but I was
not accusing anyone on this list, just responding to an earlier post made
by someone else. And by the way I don't think I'm better than anyone else,
I realize that I sin just like everyone that is human does.
I just think that it is funny how people get all up in arms over trees or
animals, but when it comes to human babies they will fight for the right
to murder them. If that is political then so be it, but like I said I was
just responding to an earlier post.
I won't go into any more detail so as not to take away from the lists
intentions,so please Nannu, take a chill pill and maybe do some meditation
to relax your venomous mood.
Even More Respectfully
Al Perhacs \/\/\/\/\/\/\ CHILD OF GOD ALMIGHTY/\/\//\/\/\/\/\
9 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996
From: Ronald Paniagua
Subject: back to kunalini and then ....
Beloved Ones:
I AM ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK and I think all of you got a little
appart from the mean thing: kundalini -- looking for other aspects,
thats o.k. But please see, that t r o u g h o u t kundaliini-
expiriences, kundalini-living you can come straight c l o s e
to your ascencion into the fifth dimension.
When I mentioned this ascencion two times on the list, nobody
resopnded so far to this. May be it is like a "tabu".
But we are comming so much closer to ascencion that we have to
talk about it, bacuse so much light and real love is comming
i n these days.... and the main porpose is to prepare otherselves
and mother earth for our ascencion into the fifth dimension!
Love and Light for all of you!
Antaris
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
PS: Please give me a n d Richard a message, if t h i s
e-mail causes you any tecnical problems, bouncing back or so?
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10 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Re: Definition of Humanity
>I'm sorry for the wording but I was
> not accusing anyone on this list, just responding to an earlier post made
> by someone else.
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Well Al,
You may not have meant it the way you said it, but the way you said it is
the only thing I have to go by. So I highly recommend that you figure out
how to say it the way you mean it, so that when I read it, I^ll know what
your ^saying^.
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> I just think that it is funny how people get all up in arms over trees or
> animals, but when it comes to human babies they will fight for the right
> to murder them. If that is political then so be it, but like I said I was
> just responding to an earlier post.
Read what you^ve written here, and then explain to me what it has to do
with Kundalini? The post you^re referring to spoke of the ^naturalness of
sex^, thats all. No more,no less. And being that sex and K seem to go hand
in hand, it was appropriate.
Dave Long, (the godly one), turned this into an abortion issue, and you
jumped on the band wagon. Again I must ask, what has this got to do with
Kundalini?
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> I won't go into any more detail so as not to take away from the lists
> intentions,so please Nannu, take a chill pill and maybe do some meditation
> to relax your venomous mood.
If you and god junior would stop trying to turn this list into a political
forum, I wouldn^t be having these ...^venomous moods^!
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\|\|\|\|\|\| CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu |\|\|\|\|\|\
11 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Re: Peverted religious morality
> > If those 300,000 (gay) men had listened to the KINDNESS of
> >religious morality...
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> I will not tolerate the hateful attacks you made in your posting dated 10/07.
> As a gay man I am deeply offended by your self-righteous perverted
> implication that
> religion-based homophobia is somehow 'kind'.
_________________
Stampman didn^t write that, ...Dave Long, (god junior) did...... Stampman
was responding to what god junior said.
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\|\|\|\|\|\| CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu |\|\|\|\|\|\
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12 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996
From: traveler
Subject: Re: Definition of Humanity
I find the posts that denounce everyone other than Fundamentalists very
demeaning. I would like to suggest that posts coming to the list of such a
nature have a spoiler on them
WARNING: HEAVY JUDGEMENTS AGAINST ALL OF YOU WHO ARE NOT JUST LIKE ME.
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with a lot of space.
There are a lot of people with a blend of orientations toward life on this
list. In my opinion, it is not okay to issue wholesale condemnations of
others. It can get to people who are in a fragile space in their lives, who
are not up to the challenge. We are a community of feeling souls here, in a
range of states of mind. I remember how several people who were in a fragile
state have been hurt and left the list when things like this happened. Are
we a community? I for one have been heartened to see others speak up against
those who seem heavily focused on attacking others.
Yes, one resonse is to laugh at these people. No one has to take what is
said seriously. Unless of course you agree with them. The people writing
this stuff do not want to be publicly laughed at, in thier minds, they are
right, of course.
So I think, a spoiler would let those of us who don't want to hear this type
of information know, then we can choose to read it or hit the trash key.
This type of behavior is at least as potentially upsetting as the sexually
explicit material, and I think the spoiler worked very well for all concerned.
An alternative would be for everyone to say things in a kind gentle way,
like, "It has been my experience, etc."
Other opinions?
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13 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996
From: "Michael J. Davis"
Subject: Re: Definition of Humanity
At 12:02 PM 10/8/96 -0500, NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com wrote:
>You may not have meant it the way you said it, but the way you said it is
>the only thing I have to go by. So I highly recommend that you figure out
>how to say it the way you mean it, so that when I read it, I^ll know what
>your ^saying^.
>______________
>
Funny, I did not know that making sure that each and every post was written
in such a way that *YOU* could understand it was a requirement for this
list. Because *YOU* don't like the wording it justifies an outburst of
emotion such as what you have displayed?
>If you and god junior would stop trying to turn this list into a political
>forum, I wouldn^t be having these ...^venomous moods^!
Actually, if people would ignore posts that they think are "turning the list
political" or take it to private e-mail, all of the rest of us on this list
would be spared this "venomous mood". If you continually try to answer,
defend, or whatever to posts that you don't like, then they will continue to
do so as well. On and on ad infinitum....remember the old saying that it
takes two to tango? If you don't like the song, don't dance...wait until the
next one.
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At least part of Kundalini has to deal with how one thinks...or actually how
their thinking is changed by the process. Changing your thinking will in
turn change your perspective on things in life. If one is "one with nature"
and doesn't want animals killed or in suffering, support or advocation of
abortion *could* indicate a shortcoming in the process. So, I can see where
this could be a valid topic...*IF* everyone would just keep their temper and
their tongue in check. Any conversation with anyone on any topic can be
productive and apply towards the kundalini process for at least one of the
members involved if one of them keeps their temper in check and everything
else in perspective.
Michael
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Michael J. Davis
Independent Network Consultant
mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com
PGP Public Key Available Upon Request
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, most just pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
- Winston Churchill
14 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996
From: ori^
Subject: Trusting the process
It starts again
I can barely sleep at night
or only in short doses
My palms and soles burn and burn
Coffee no longer tastes good
I drink water and more water
I run water over my hands
I massage my palms, almost frantically
seeking relief for the hands
which must work with typing
I can barely sit still,
as if I'm crawling out of my skin
so I take a break and walk and walk
trying to ground,
remembering at the last moment people talking
about placing the tongue on the roof of the mouth
So I try this, and I think also about mudras
knowing I am at work and must keep... choose to keep
this process on the private side.
Unfortunately (or not) the process does not hold
"normal" rigid working hours.
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Maybe it is good it is building again to this intensity
I hope it is a sign of a breakthrough right around the corner
And yet I know it is best to hold no expectations
At least this is a change in the cycle...
Where is it leading me?
Sometimes it is so hard to trust the process.
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