kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 175
1 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: A Hallmark Moment - Revisited
Hi Amy,
You wrote:BILL (AND I) GOT A BIG KICK OUT OF YOUR
BIRTHDAY CARD TO HIM... DID YOU HAVE TO GO TO
A SPECIALTY SHOP TO FIND IT?
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I am sending a copy of this to the Kundalini List, as they know how
that card was picked out, thought they would like your response to it.
The answer, Amy is, "No we didn't go to a specialty shop to get it." I
went with Karen to the local Safeway store, picked out a card for your
mother for her by just reaching out to the rack and picking up the one
that was 'highlighted' without opening it. When Karen read it and saw
that it was 'perfect and read just like it was specially written for
your mother and the occasion', she said, can you do that again, I need
a belated birthday card for Bill. I turned around, bent down and pulled
that card out of the second row from the bottom without reading it!
Pretty neat, huh? Be sure to tell Rob about this - should tickle his
fancy.
Love
DAN & KAREN
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2 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96
From: u35500054
Subject: Chakra opening
Hey Dan ! I know your feeling, and my opinion about your problem
is,meditate on your head chakras. because It is much more dangerous
to keep the energi in the head . If you not letting it out you prevent the
k rising, and the rising gets slower and be much more pain ful.
Kundalini is not dangerous if you get rid of the fear. Get rid of the fear
and go for it.Kundalini is powerful and of course some times violent but not
dangerous.
Meditate every day, if you feel it worse don't stop ,if you stop you can
get caught in that feeling.
With Love Ia !
3 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: "Maurizio Zollo"
Subject: Shri Mataji & Sahaja Yoga
Thanks to Dan, Nichiren and Paco for sharing a bit more of their recent
experiences with Shri Mataji's lecture, meditating with or without
Her photo, feeling the "cool breeze" from the Sahasrara and from the
palms etc.
A couple of points for clarification.
1. Shri Mataji is not and does not wish to be anyone's guru. This
guru business is just another way for people to exploit seekers of
Truth in their quest for spiritual evolution. She is just a Mother,
a grandmother and a beloved wife who has dedicated Her life to
elevating the human race to higher levels of spiritual awareness.
Her major gift to humanity has been the opening of the sahasrara
chakra at the universal level, a historical event which happened on
May 5th 1970. Before that, the only way to open the sahasrara was to
go through a complete clensing of the subtle system so that kundalini
could spontaneously rise (see Lord Buddha under the Bodhi tree).
After that, people can achieve the opening of the Sahasrara, the Yoga
(the union with the Divine) with just their own pure desire (i.e.
desire for spiritual ascent). The energy, once properly awakened and
settled in the 7th chakra, will spontaneously take care of the
clensing of the subtle system. The only thing that the seeker needs
to do is meditate regularly with the kundalini risen above Sahasrara.
Essentially, it is the inverse process with respect to the
"classical" path of cleansing first and enlightenement later. The
important thing to remember is that once you have achieved this
Self-realization through Kundalini awakening, you become your own
guru. You don't need anyone to tell you what to do, because your own
system is enlightened, including the gross level (central nervous
systems, etc.). One of the exercises that Shri Mataji used to ask
before giving Self-realization (now is not necessary anymore) is to
put one's right hand on the upper part of the abdomen on the left
side and say "I AM MY OWN GURU" with strong conviction.
2. The second point is that it is perfectly fine to meditate without
Shri Mataji's picture. Actually you should experiment with this and
see for yourself if you feel any difference with or without the
picture. Shri Mataji, or her picture or videos, just acts like a
catalyst for your kundalini to rise through the proper, dharmic,
process. As we have seen, this works pretty well. The next step,
though, is to learn how to control the awakened energy. The problem
with you folks who received their Self-realization "with the
Internet" is that you haven't been shown how to raise your kundalini
and settle it in the Sahasrara. My best advice on this is to call
one of the centers listed on the Sahaja Yoga web page and attend a
few of their weekly meetings. It is embarassingly simple
("childlike" as Dan said). Your left hand rises from the lower
abdomen (sacrum bone level) up to the Sahasrara, while the right hand
circles around it like a dynamo (clockwise, if viewed from the
right). Once you arrive to the Sahasrara, you tie up some sort of a
knot in the air to stabilize it. You repeat this 3 times (once for
each nadi) and at the end you tie 3 knots. There are other simple
techniques to protect your chakras, once spiritually awakened (as you
can attract negativity as much as you emanate love), to balance the
right and left side, to diagnose and clean your own and anybody
else's chakras, and so on.
Let me close by saying that I am not particularly attached to any of
these methods. I do not feel like, nor wish to "sell" anything to
anyone of you. I just thought to share, out of my love and
compassion for you seekers, what I have found and what the entire
world is learning about. Even if in the US, Sahaja Yoga is not even
on the map of the "new age industry" (thanks to all those "gurus" in
Rolls Royce), everywhere else in the world it is spreading like wild
fire. It was introduced in Russia by Gorbachev and the Ministry of
Health in 1989 and now counts over 100,000 practicing yogis all over
the CIS. Li Peng in China personally requested Shri Mataji to
introduce Sahaja Yoga by tying it to the Chinese spiritual traditions
(they are essentially the same thing). One of the highest ranking
Ayatollahs in Iran has recognized Shri Mataji as the highest living
Saint in the world. Everywhere She goes (with the exception of the
US) She is welcomed at the airport by government officials or by the
local authorities. And here I stop, otherwise it becomes boring
(assuming it is not already so).
You are obviously welcome to do whatever you feel like with this. You
can press the delete button and move on to the next book or the next
mistical experience with your guru of the day (there is one for
everyone, but no one for everyone, right ?). As an alternative,
though, you might consider stopping for a moment and give some credit
to something which is completely non self-interested and which has
been recognized by the world over (by the way, you wanna bet that She
will be the 1996 Nobel Peace Prize winner ? Check the new on October
11).
Meditate, people, meditate.....
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Maurizio Zollo
Management Department
The Wharton School
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA - 19104
4 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: sexual continence
Natha wrote:
> Fourth: We were not "made for sexual activity" -- allow me to believe in a
higher goal > of the human existence! "Any creature which follows the path
which nature made for it" > will reach only where nature can lead: old age,
decay, death, and endless reincarnation > as prisoner of the same nature. But
the goals of those who rise their kundalini and aim > at spirituality is
different: to rise above the nature, to master it and to liberate > themselves
from its chains. That is why, it is only natural that Tantra recommends >
methods that are "against the nature", "swimming against the stream". > > This
is extremely important and is probably something that has not been discussed
much on this list. If the goal and objective isn't placed at this level of
literally mastering and breaking free of the ever ending cycle, then the energy
is allowed to go out as a sort of experimenting. At some point, one must go
deeply into the commitment and really contemplate what the spiritual assignment
is.
Christ said the last thing to be overcome is death ... can we relate to what
this means in the here and now? Gloria
5 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: chakra opening
Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>
> First of all, boy the list is quiet! wow... very few messages. so here's one:
>
> Recently I've learned that my third-eye chakra and my crown chakra are
> "bubbled", meaning they are not open yet, but the energy is bundled up, and
> ready to burst. like a bubble popping.
>
> anyhow, this has generated soo much pressure, ive been getting severe
> headaches, the pain and pressure from this is rather intense at times. i
> get migranes, and so forth.
>
> I have read about kundalini and some other books, but have not seen
> anything regarding this type of thing, so once again, i thought i'd post it
> to the list to see if anyone knows if there is a safe way to open these. if
> they burst i think it could be dangerous, if the pressure builds up that
> much, and so i think its important to release the energy slowly, let them
> open.
>
> Any ideas? i dont think theres much time left for these. especially my
> third-eye... its rather painful at times.
> Dan.
> There are always possibilities...
Dan,
You don't seem to like my posts, but... one more time. Align yourself
with God's will, observe and let your thoughts, emotions, fears, etc.
go. You aren't flowing with what is coming to you, your fighting, and
that causes a real back lash of energies. You are doing this to
yourself, so let go... Gloria
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6 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Re: Sexual etc.
>
> Perspective is required, however. Some of the practices
> you describe are just not for everybody. While it may
> be possible to have sex all the time and not ejaculate,
> ever, and absorb all your fluids into your body, I believe
> that most people will become highly agitated on a lot of
> levels if they try this, and unhappy, and eventually will
> just orgasm, anyways.
Ahhh Paco,
The effort to raise K to a state of enlightenment, is to literally speed up
the evolutionary process. The changes are both physical and psychological
and require a massive amount of energy. If this weren^t a list geared
towards this goal, that would be one thing, but that is not the case here.
As with any goal, there are methodologies to attainment. And no where
does anyone say there isn^t hard work and disipline necessary. If you want
to drive a car, you must first learn the methodology, and then apply it.
--
CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
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7 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996
From: Dan Gahlinger
Subject: Re: Chakra opening
At 05:41 PM 10/2/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Hey Dan ! I know your feeling, and my opinion about your problem
>is,meditate on your head chakras. because It is much more dangerous
>to keep the energi in the head . If you not letting it out you prevent the
>k rising, and the rising gets slower and be much more pain ful.Kundalini
>is not dangerous if you get rid of the fear. Get rid of the fear and go for
>it.Kundalini is powerful and of course some times violent but not
>dangerous.
>
> Meditate every day, if you feel it worse don't stop ,if you stop you can
>get caught in that feeling.
ugh... i know its dangerous, or can be. my k has already moved past that
point, thats not a problem. well, i guess, thats the end of the trip for the
k, so to speak. (not literally). I've meditated for days, with no effect.
the pressure is increasing. my head feels horrible. intense pain more now.
"my brain feels like a cheddar-melt" :)
Dan.
there are always possibilities...
8 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996
From: "Michael J. Davis"
Subject: Re: Chakra opening
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At 02:41 PM 10/2/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>
>ugh... i know its dangerous, or can be. my k has already moved past that
>point, thats not a problem. well, i guess, thats the end of the trip for the
>k, so to speak. (not literally). I've meditated for days, with no effect.
>the pressure is increasing. my head feels horrible. intense pain more now.
>"my brain feels like a cheddar-melt" :)
>Dan.
>there are always possibilities...
>
>
>
Dan:
If I may...when you are doing your breathing and/or meditation, are you
keeping your tongue to the roof of your mouth?
Do you happen to practice what is know as the "micro-cosmic orbit"?
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Michael
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Michael J. Davis
Independent Network Consultant
mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com
PGP Public Key Available Upon Request
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, most just pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
- - Winston Churchill
9 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: an open mind
You have entered a new age; an age of uncertainty, an age of confusion and
choas. Where you will be in the next millinium depends upon how open you are
to change. Closed minds breed annihilation of the physical body. An open
mind is essential for transformation.
How do you keep your mind open? Feel and visualize a funnel on top of your
head where new energies and new information is allowed to flow freely in,
moving through the body, changing body, mind, spirit genetic codes, flowing
out through the feet to rise to a higher order, and once again entering the
funnel.
An open mind requires an allowance of all emotions, as emotion will be
released from the cells to be transmuted to ecstasy. You are carrying
illusory emotion from a thousand lifetimes. It is now time to bring them up
to the surface, and feel them to allow the energy to be released and
transformed to a higher order. The only way to bliss is through the feelings
of these old previously stuck emotions.
With each cycle of the energy flow, the body becomes lighter, as if heavy
weights had been removed. The experience of happiness, peace, joy, and love
of all become more and more a state of being rather than momentary highs.
Work with this energy, these cycles. Your persistence will bring rewards
that you can only dream about now. Can you imagine yourself "floating"
through life in total peace, love, and bliss, where even physical work or
chores become more fluid, light, and easy? Can you imagine your interactions
with people being joyful, loving, and light ALWAYS? Can you imagine a life
of abundance, where every one of your heart's desires comes true and is
experienced before you are even aware that you had that desire? Can you
imagine the IMPACT your state of being will have on those that are still
searching for what you have found?
Buckle up your seat belt and get ready for the ride of your life! You have
embarked on the most magical journey you could ever imagine at this point.
Once you have "arrived," you'll realize that there is much more magic
available to you right at your fingertips. Please remember, as the emotions
are released, and it seems as if your whole world is falling apart, to ENJOY
THE RIDE....Know that the emotions are only illusions of lifetimes of past
false belief systems. You're breaking those old molds! Let them break and
crumble away. A new enlightened, loving, and light you is waiting. Again,
enjoy the ride.
All experiences are valid, as they get you to where you are going....
10 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Sexual etc.
NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com wrote:
> , you must first learn the methodology, and then apply it.
>
> --
> CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
Hi
Given your past preferences for the dichotomous merging of the
scientific method with the mystic, I suspect you have a great deal to
teach us of specific methodoly. I have my own personal method for
arousing, sustaining or depressing K; but I certainly would like to
learn more.
Can you share some of what you've learned both from your own
experimentation as well as form the input you've had from the list?
Have a nice evening and nice to have you back.
jan
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11 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Dark Night of the Soul
Subject: Re: Dark Night of the Soul
JW>called something like Dark Night of the Soul.
JW>Speaking of which - I went through it and it lasted a heck of a lot
- >longer that a night and totally unlike anything in 'normal' reality !!!
>Anyone out there bin there, done that too?
Jan,
I don't know if it was the Dark Night of the Soul. But it lasted
about a half a day and it was the bleakest, most despairing, most
empty, most painful, most excruciating Altered State of Consciousness
imaginable. It was total alienation from the Light. It was total
despair. It was total blackness. It was total loss of my soul; my
spirit. I pounded upon my empty chest in ultimate despair. I have had a
hard time integrating this experience into my 3rd chakra opening. But,
I just tell myself, that I have journeyed into corners of the mind and
soul that other people probably wouldn't understand. It was outside of
the realm of normal human experience. So, I just look at it now as a
far-off corner of my mind that I explored once and hope to never see
again.
Melody
- * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Next time you're down on your knees, why not stay there?
12 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Frustration
Nannu wrote:
NU>Reminds me of peoples attitude towards sex and spirituality.
NU> Many people are so caught up in the ^sex doesn^t go with spirituality^
>theme which has been ^taught^ to them, that they won^t stick around
>long enough to ^see^ the greater vision.
NU>...How^s that Dave?
NU>--
>=6%5
Ain't that the truth? I miss having my boyfriend; making love to
him so much. I feel like 1/2 a person. We are on this earth for such a
short time and to me being celibate is a total waste of precious time.
It SUCKS. Especially since I experienced 3rd chakra awakening that way.
Why doesn't God want me to have any more of it? Why did he have to
leave me (I know why - it was an intense spiritual lesson to be learned
for both of us, but shit!)
Melody
- * 1st 2.00 #7384 * We adapt to the killing of the spirit by gradual changes.
13 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Chakra opening
Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>
> At 05:41 PM 10/2/96 PDT, you wrote:
> >Hey Dan ! I know your feeling, and my opinion about your problem
> >is,meditate on your head chakras. because It is much more dangerous
> >to keep the energi in the head . If you not letting it out you prevent the
> >k rising, and the rising gets slower and be much more pain ful.Kundalini
> >is not dangerous if you get rid of the fear. Get rid of the fear and go for
> >it.Kundalini is powerful and of course some times violent but not
> >dangerous.
> >
> > Meditate every day, if you feel it worse don't stop ,if you stop you can
> >get caught in that feeling.
>
> ugh... i know its dangerous, or can be. my k has already moved past that
> point, thats not a problem. well, i guess, thats the end of the trip for the
> k, so to speak. (not literally). I've meditated for days, with no effect.
> the pressure is increasing. my head feels horrible. intense pain more now.
> "my brain feels like a cheddar-melt" :)
> Dan.
> there are always possibilities...
Perhaps you should check into the magnet's, especially the pillow. It is
hard as a rock, but the head pressure is gone after being on it for a
short time. A couple of people in our group are using it and it is
wonderful, no more snoring, and literally you hit it and your gone.
Gloria
14 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Dark Night of the Soul
>
Melody, you wrote:
> I don't know if it was the Dark Night of the Soul. But it lasted
>about a half a day and it was the bleakest, most despairing, most
>empty, most painful, most excruciating Altered State of Consciousness
>imaginable.... It was total loss of my soul;
->
There are many people who loose their "souls", for a variety of reasons.
Usually it is a "soul fragment" that is lost; not the whole thing. It is often
a protection mechanism when encountering trauma too heavy to handle.
As a shamanic practitioner, I have returned many lost (or stolen) souls
to their owners, who must then reintegrate them and take good care of
them. This aftercare is very important and usually requires a support
person- often a trusted therapist- because the reintegration often releases
pent up painful memories. Your case seems to be an interesting variation
on the usual theme, but I think a shamanic soul-retrieval would benefit
you; I suspect you still don't feel quite "all-there."
I don't know where you live, but to find a shamanic practitioner in your area,
you might try the web page of the Foundation for Shamanic Studies and look up
the addresses of the instructors, or e-mail them to locate someone near you.
This soul-retrieval can also be done at a distance--I've done it that way,
but it's a little more difficult for me. On the other hand, my spirits are
almost always pushing my limits, and I rarely encounter an easy case.
A photograph and pre-arranged time and place are helpful. If you can't
find someone, but want to have a soul-retrieval, I'd be willing to do it
from a distance. Sandra Ingreman's book on Soul Retreival will give
you a good background on the procedure. Don't let her scare you
about "the land of the dead." Been there; done that. I use a different,
safer procedure than she did.
Perhaps one of your K experiences blasted loose a soul fragment
and sent it into the void. Not to worry; it's still out there and it can
be brought back--if it wants to come back. Often, this takes some
negotiating between the shaman and the soul.
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You also have to be ready and willing to take it back, and provide
a SAFE place for it again. It's like a lost, runaway child that may
still be afraid to come home. Are you willing to make whatever
lifestyle adjustments might be necessary to get it to come back?
--Bob
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15 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Frustration
You wrote: I miss...so much. I feel like 1/2 a person. celibate...
SUCKS...Why doesn't God...Why did he leave me (I know why - spiritual
lesson, but shit!) Melody
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Good morning Melody,
You have got that right, it does SUCK! As a guy, I have lived the macho
- no feelings, stiff upper lip, male ideal for so many years. The
emotional aspects of K-A are foreign and BOY do they hurt. Like you
said above, the important thing for a well-integrated personality is to
come to the realization that there is purpose in despair - lessons to
be learned. When we have been at the mountain peak at sunrise (K-A as
well as soul-satisfying, truly cosmic sexual union - same/same to my
way of thinking, too) and then retreat; the darkness is made magnitudes
dimmer by comparison. That is part of the Realization - bliss without
having known sorrow is nothing. Listen to me! I should be talking
football or scratching myself in inappropriate places instead of
blithering about feelings/emotions/etc. But, the fact is that I, too,
as well as many others on the list have been going through these
natural cycles of Spiritual energy flow, emotional ups and downs. The
lesson that keeps clobbering me is (simplistically) this: Everything is
perfect; it is just that perfection has to hurt sometimes.
During WWII, in Holland there was a Catholic family who helped hide
Jews from the Nazis. They were caught and when they wouldn't reveal the
details, the two sisters were sent to the Ravensbruck concentration
camp. Their name was TenBoom (Dutch for The Trees - this has a
significance that I haven't discerned yet) and they were of two
diametrically opposed philosophies. The older sister thanked God every
day for her blessings and the younger cursed her captors and fate.
Persistantly the older tried to change the younger's attitude with no
luck until the day she died. With her dying words she admonished her
sister not to hate. Through a miraculous clerical error, the younger
sister was released from the camp one week before all women of her age
group were rounded up and killed. She later realized that this lesson
was true in the extreme - her sister had even thanked God for the lice
that had infested their barracks! Seemed insane to the younger sister
at the time - later, she realized that it was the lice that kept the
Nazi guards from entering the barracks and harrassing them and this is
what gave them the time and solitude to draw the strength to survive
from daily prayer.
I marvel at the strength that people like this draw on - and then I
realize that it is within all of us. The real trick is to turn away
from self-doubt and tap into it - that is genuinely tough. I hope this
helps a little bit, others have talked me through some of the tough
downs. The low periods have to go away on their own and leave us a
little stronger for having had the experience, but having someone there
to give a little encouragement helps ease the experience. It sounds
like you may be alone at this time and I feel for you because of that -
part of the strength that I can draw on is my marriage partner and I am
lucky in that.
Love & LAUGHING LIGHT,
DAN-RF 8-)