kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 174
1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Now we^re gettin somewhere!
Subject: re: sexual continence
From: Natha Bhaktyananda
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BRAVO!, BRAVO!,....Said through Knowledge! ...BINGO!!!
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CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
2 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Highly electrical
> > According to the Yogic and Tantric teaching concerning kundalini and the
chakra-s, > blowing lightbulbs (and also all kind of other electric equipment)
when turning it on, > shows a great excess of un-transmuted sexual energy at
the level of Svadhishthana > chakra. >
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Quite right, and one must be careful here, lest one think they have
reached the pinnacle....as many have thought!
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CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
3 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Welcome, welcome...
If you study the various cultures very closely, you will find ^a thread^
which runs through them. Explained in different terms yes, but the more
you dig, the more you realize they are all basically saying the same thing
> This is just _one_ view, that's true. The basic question is, how could
> we (or at least the author of the above cited article) talk about "This"
> energy which is called this and that in different
> cultures? How are we to know that all these names refer to one and the
> same energy?
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The muscle you speak of is the perrenium. It is a transfer point between
the sex organ and the spinal column. When the sexual energy is turned
inwards, it uses this muscle as a ^highway^ to the spinal column. One can
learn to use this muscle and it can be exercised just like any other
muscle.
I would much like to see the transcript you speak of.
Oh, ...by the way, Welcome to the club!
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CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
4 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: Thanks Dave, ...I knew you^d get it!
> There Kundalini, the awakened Power,
> unites with Siva. This is known as the union of Siva and Sakti.
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CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
5 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: Royale Jills
Subject: Re: Ramakrishna On Kundalini
Hi. Thanks for the good quotes from India. Although I am not a
Christian and really dont read their stuff, I do enjoy all the rest.
Love Royale
6 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: Royale Jills
Subject: Re: Welcome, welcome...
Yes, Nannu and they call it a banda (sp) where you can stop the flow of
energy from leaking out there. Often used with variuos asanas in yoga
practice.
7 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996
From: "Maurizio Zollo"
Subject: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Hello everyone,
I am so happy to see that some of you have been experimenting with the
vibrations of your own kundalini, spurred by Shri Mataji's picture on
the Sahaja Yoga web site.
Others, like Dan, Dee and Paco, have attended one of Her programs and
reported intriguing comments about their experience, most importantly
the awakening and rising of their kundalini in Her presence and (at
least for Dan) during daily meditations in front of Her photo.
Please, do not underestimate what is happening to you ! The opening of your
sahasrara and the enlightenment of your parasympatetic nervous system is e
spiritual breakthrough and you should medidate on your achievement, even if it
was so "easy", natural and spontaneous (Sahaja yoga means exactly spontaneous,
natural, uninion with the Divine).
As I started this line of discussion, I feel a bit responsible to
provide some content and some explanation to the various questions
surfaced. The body of knowledge existing on the subject is huge,
though, and there is no way that I can even attempt to capture it in a
e-mail message. My best suggestion is to go to a collective
meditation provided by one of the Sahaja Yoga centers close to where
you live (a list is given in the web site or call me at 610-622-9958).
First of all, let me make one thing clear. The "breezes" that you are
experiencing are not just a strange phenomena connected to the
awakening of K, they are the physical manifestation of kundalini
Herself. These vibrations ARE the essence of the All pervading power
of the Divine's love, are everywhere (in stronger or weaker form) and
the only thing that has changed from your perspective is that your
kundalini has now been properly awakened and is enabling your central
nervous system to actually feel them as if they were parts of your
own body.
As Dan reported, the Sahaja Yoga meditation tecniques are amazingly
simple. So much so that it becomes really difficult to believe that
anything much really happened. This is very common, particularly
among experienced seekers who spent good part of their lives
following esoteric practices and usually expect evolution to be a
long, painful process. This is wrong, though; all the living work is
done by the Divine energy in a spontaneous, natural way. A seed does
not go through any suffering in order to grow and blossom into a
beautiful flower. At the root of human sufferings is not the process
of spiritual evolution, but the obstacles put on the path by the
individual ego and the collective conditionings (super-ego).
Spiritual enlightenment is and should be an effortless, spontaneous
process (see Lord Buddha's teachings on this point, among many
others).
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Some of those who experimented with the photo on the web site reported that
they felt the "cool breeze" coming out of their sahasrara, but not from one of
the two hands. As Dan wrote in a past message, this is due to the (absolutely
normal) state of unbalance in our subtle system when we approach the meditation
experience. What you experience when your nervous system gets enlightened
depends on where you usually are on one of the two simpatetic nervous systems
(at the subtly level the left and right sympatetic nervous systems are known as
Ida and Pingala Nadis or channels). The left nadi channels our power of desire,
whereas the right one channels our power of action. The two powers work using
the energy provided by the central channel (Sushumma nadi) which at the gross
level is the parasympatetic or autonomous nervous system. Everyone of us
normally overuses one of the two channels by being either hyperactive or
ipoactive (a bit depressed, introverse etc.). If you overuse your right side
(hyperactive type) you will have problems initially to feel the cool breeze on
the right side of your body, or if you feel it it might be warm or hot, as the
kundalini has to "refuel" the poor drained out channel. Most seekers,
though,have the opposite problem, i.e. the kundalini has to "heal" their left
side, as it has been constantly used (I would say by definition) by the seeking
activity. In particular, if we have been exposed or involved in activities
which go against the innate evolutionary principles of righteous behavior
(false gurus, tantric activities, black magic etc.) then our kundalini has to
work "overtime" and eventually fight a real battle with the negative energies
(and sometimes possessing entities) which were comfortably inhabiting the
seeker's subtle system. All this happens without us noticing much, heat waves
or burnings and shakings in the worst (very rare) cases.
What happens afterwords ? Well, if you are serious about kundalini
energy, it will take you 2 to 3 weeks to learn how to control it, how
to raise it, how to detect any blockages and catches in your chakras
and your channels, how to clear them and so on. Usually after a
couple of months you are able to do the same with other people's
subtle systems, i.e. giving them their Self-realization, clearing them
out of their "accumulated waste" and so on. You basically jump into a
completely different (i.e. higher) level of awareness, where every
moment of your day is supported by the availability of this
all-pervading energy which your system spontaneously detects and uses.
I am constantly aware of the status of all my chakras either by
feeling them directly or indirectly on my fingertips. By the way,
every chakra has a "sensory antenna" on the hand, which helps decode
the state of your or anyone else's center. For example, Sahasrara is
at the center of the palm, Agnyia is on the ring finger, Nabhi is on
the middle finger, Heart is on the little finger and so on. As I said,
you can write an encyplopedia with all the knowledge that exists about
the subtle system and the higher levels of awareness, but one has to
be very hesitant in exposing it because the most important thing is
not the knowledge itself, is the EXPERIENCE. Once you get your
complete Self-realization, once your feel these "breezes" as you call
them, then the understanding comes spontaneously. Otherwise your mind
jumps in and expects to control or explain everything in rational
terms, even things that are way beyond rationality.
Please, treat these words and, much more importantly, your
experiences very seriously. This is not children's game, this is
about your spiritual evolution, what your soul has been longing
for for whole lifetimes. Experiment, enjoy, seek advice, but do it
with the full awareness that your are shaping your spiritual
evolution !
In love and joy,
Maurizio
8 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96
From: Theresa "A." Catoe
Subject: Doreen
Hi Doreen,
I don't have your email address ( you may have given it to me but I
have lost some of my mail) so I'm responding on the K list. The physical
illness is the last place to manifest. So, to me the perfect place to start
the healing is on the non-physical level. This is my opinion. Go with
your intuition, but also listen to what others say---then decide what's
right for you. As for as having a more of awareness....ask for it! Ask & it
shall be given. That's what i did & it worked...I did receive. As far as
being enlightened, I'm just like everyone else, I'm on the path also.
Trying to find my way. I have found some of my own truths, but I'm not
there yet.
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I hope I have helped. There is no magical answer. Only you hold the
answers.
Love & Light,
T.C.
PS thanks for the compliment. Your going to do JUST fine.
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9 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96
From: Theresa "A." Catoe
Subject: Kundalini Yoga
Thanks Margaret. I'll look into kundalini yoga. I just met someone who
teaches yoga. I'll talk to them.
T.C.
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10 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: RONALD PANIAGUA
Subject: the poerfect place to start healing is on the non-physical level
Beloved T.C. and all of you!!
Yes, it is so easy to heal yourself, understand that thoughts ARE
things. Most of you take time to meditate, why dont you use some
of your meditation to really manifest health. But you are able to
manifest all other things. You do this and did this, haven't you
realized that in the negative-area this is working perfect "for"
you, you think bad, and it materialize. So think creative and
it will manifest in your live. You ARE a Co-Creator, you ARE GOD.
I know what I am saying. Before you are crying to the kundalini-
list, think it over: GOD is inside you, GOD is individable, so YOU
ARE GOD! The "fact" that you dont "worked" as GOD in the past,
should not hinder you to do it now. Be creative, create your own
reality: This means health, wealth and sexual fullfillment as long as
you are in 3-D!
Love simply IS
Peace and Light for you
Antaris Ra Melchizedek
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
11 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: Dan Gahlinger
Subject: chakra opening
First of all, boy the list is quiet! wow... very few messages. so here's one:
Recently I've learned that my third-eye chakra and my crown chakra are
"bubbled", meaning they are not open yet, but the energy is bundled up, and
ready to burst. like a bubble popping.
anyhow, this has generated soo much pressure, ive been getting severe
headaches, the pain and pressure from this is rather intense at times. i
get migranes, and so forth.
I have read about kundalini and some other books, but have not seen
anything regarding this type of thing, so once again, i thought i'd post it
to the list to see if anyone knows if there is a safe way to open these. if
they burst i think it could be dangerous, if the pressure builds up that
much, and so i think its important to release the energy slowly, let them
open.
Any ideas? i dont think theres much time left for these. especially my
third-eye... its rather painful at times.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...
12 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996
From: Peter Norton
Subject: Re: kundalini=drama
lia pas wrote:
>
> >I've been reading these 'postings' for a while and it seems like
> >everybody who has an 'awakening' is plagued by trouble (physical,
> >psychological, practical i.e. microwave oven doesn't work, t.v. and
> >flouro lights drive you nuts, street lights stop working when you walk
> >under them, can't stand some people... etc etc etc)
Add: all kinds of weird synchronicities. The other stuff, I personally
havent
experienced, but a few stunning synchronicities have floored me on
occasion when
K was perking temporarily.
> >If this is so, why in the hell is everybody trying to do the big K?
>
> some of us aren't trying. it just happened and it won't stop. there are
> many beautiful parts of the k that i think we dont' post about becasue
> they're easy to deal with, and they sometimes make teh hard stuff easier to
> deal with.
> >
> >In addition, how about posting some groovy ways of firing up the big K
> >so others can mess with the microwave too!
for me, it was a seven day Soto Zen meditation retreat.
Not exactly groovy, maybe. I would not wish my K experience on anyone.
The Soto retreats, on the other hand, are still enjoyable, sans K.
> >Greg Kernaghan
>
> dont' know. mine just happened.
mine just went away after a week, and only occasionally wakes me up in
the middle of the
night sometimes. That level of inactivity is just fine with me, for
now.
ChiKung excercises seem like a good technique to moderate the intensity
of the experience.
Advice I got at the time, which still sounds good, was:
"Dont fight it, and dont force it."
cheers
13 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Continence & K--Definitions & Disclaimers
>
>Definitions are important and I see terms bantied about
>indiscriminantly and it seems that some arguments evolve on just this
>basis. For example: IMHO, I have had and AWAKENING as a result of my
>spontaneously-risen kundalini. I am not ENLIGHTENED as I have seen the
>total self-annihilation that would be involved and I cannot go there
>now.
I'm afraid the term "enlightened" is also 'bantied about' here. I hope you
really don't have enlightenment-phobia! I thought the "self-annihilation"
concept had been put to bed long ago in this "enlightened" age. According to
Buddhist philosophy, Mahayana in particular, and in Nichiren Daishonin's
Buddhism, specifically, the condition of enlightment (also called Buddhahood)
is one of the ten "worlds" or conditions inherant within all life. You already
have it there, within you. You just may not have realized it yet. That's the
tricky part, and that's why people practice Buddhism (or Kundalini yoga, or
whatever other path they have chosen.) Do you feel thoroughly un-annihilated
now?
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--Bob
A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
pleasure. He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
---Nichiren Daishonin
14 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
>I am so happy to see that some of you have been experimenting with the
>vibrations of your own kundalini, spurred by Shri Mataji's picture on
>the Sahaja Yoga web site.
I tried the "breeze" experiment with the web sight photograph. Completely
successful! I then went to my wife, told her to hold out her palms (upward)
while I held mine vertically, beaming to hers. She, likewise, felt the breeze,
and when she held her hand over her head, she found the spot there where
she felt it, too. I never did any deliberate K exercises before, but my
wife and I
had Reiki I attunements a few weeks ago, and we each have been practicing
Buddhism for 27 years; maybe that helped with our success in the experiment.
A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
pleasure. He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
---Nichiren Daishonin
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15 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996
From: Paco
Subject: Re: Sexual etc.
Natha,
I wanted to say something at this point.
There is no denying that your information on
Tantric practices has some truth to it and is
rooted in primordial wisdom.
Perspective is required, however. Some of the practices
you describe are just not for everybody. While it may
be possible to have sex all the time and not ejaculate,
ever, and absorb all your fluids into your body, I believe
that most people will become highly agitated on a lot of
levels if they try this, and unhappy, and eventually will
just orgasm, anyways.
Maybe a god or a divine Yogi can do that, or a highly
graced and advanced practitioner; however to preach
such practices as code law is clearly wrong; most people
will just abstain from sex if they believe in what you
say, or worse feel terribly guilty. In the past this
dynamic of sexual control and guilt has been used by
leaders such as Rev. Moon and Jim Jones, among many
others, to reach deep into the minds of followers and
shake them to their very core.
What is true is that sex can be a very beautiful thing,
far beyond any theories or descriptions of it; it is
linked to beauty, love, inspiration, happiness, procreation,
and life itself. To just tell people "hey, abstain, channel it"
is wrong, and many people have closed themselves off to
much happiness and life because of such teaching, not because
they were really "searching" but just sad, confused, scared,
running from life, whatever. Some people just want to be
dissolved into nothing.
Tell the truth. Are you a supreme master of Tantra? How
many schools of Tantra are there? Aren't there many schools?
And many variations of techniques, beliefs, etc?
There is ancient wisdom about these matters, somewhere,
but where it is and who it is for is questionable.
Some posters here are right...there have been many Saints
and high beings who were sexual in their nature and had
lots of sex. Probably you have met highly advanced yogis and
meditators who have sex. I've met some.
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Yes, it's a mystery, but sex is not lethal to the body or
the spirit, or evolution. And if you're popping too many
light bulbs, you might consider it.
---Paco
16 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996
From: Paco
Subject: Re: Shri Nirmala Devi
Again,
Just to clarify...I felt a lot of love from
Shri Nirmala Devi, and feel a lot of love for her.
She has a wonderful energy and is obviously highly
advanced. I'm glad I got to be close to her, and I
feel blessed by her. I feel like I understand what
I experienced and it makes me very happy...I feel her
love is unconditional, and that's how I feel about her,
too. She is great.
As I continue my life, I'm sure I will remember
her, and maybe someday see her again. I wish her great
luck in her work and mission, I know she helps so many
people throughout the world. thanks
---Paco
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17 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Continence & K--Definitions & Disclaimers
You wrote: Definitions are important and I see terms bantied about
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I'm afraid the term "enlightened" is also 'bantied about' here. I hope
you really don't have enlightenment-phobia! I thought the
"self-annihilation" concept had been put to bed long ago in this
"enlightened" age. According to Buddhist philosophy, Mahayana in
particular, and in Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, specifically, the
condition of enlightment (also called Buddhahood) is one of the ten
"worlds" or conditions inherant within all life. Do you feel thoroughly
un-annihilated now? --Bob
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Hi Bob,
This is kind of why I said that I bow to the erudition of others. My
'knowledge' of this is based only on my personal experiences colored by
my past. Others seem to be able to wrap their experiences in the cloak
of the teachings of Eastern sages. It is kind of like I am describing
my birth from a placental view and others do so from a gynecological
perspective - that is a bit of a strained analogy, but I think you get
the drift.
In my original experience, witnessed by my terrified wife, I went
through classic physiological symptoms: spontaneous asanas, mudras and
kriyas; profuse sweating from my torso while my limbs and head remained
cool and dry; the entire length of my spinal column turning bright
purplish-red, etc. The experience came in two stages: the first was one
of an expansive nature with very specific teaching aspects, the second
was pure, unadulterated exhaltation within the boundaries set down in
the first experience, each took about an uninterrupted hour, during
each I maintained the ability to briefly communicate that I was all
right to my wife. My sole mystical/spiritual studies prior to this were
a brief encounter with TM in the 70's and having skimmed AUTOBIOGRAPHY
OF A YOGI much earlier. These two were enough to convince me that I was
not having a major medical or psychiatric breakdown.
It was during the first stage that I found myself in a symbolic,
erupting, volcano; with blinding, white-hot lava surging and thundering
through my body; blowing upward and out into the universe at
indescribable speed. Yet, I was not harmed. I saw myself as individual
atoms separated by vast space through which the molten mass surged. As
I moved farther back, there was less of 'me-atoms' and more of the
spaces and surging energy. Simultaneously, I saw in 'front' of my image
another even greater surge of cosmic lava blowing upward more
ferociously. My image was intensely attracted to this greater power and
it leaned forward into this torrential, chthonic maelstrom. As it did
so, the atoms that made up my 'self' were consumed and began vanishing
as they entered this stream. I felt panicked in the extreme and my
corporeal body would scream in terror and I would lean back to
'safety'. Repeatedly, I did this and each time I withdrew from it. I
must interject here that it is genuinely impossible for me to
accurately put into words what I saw and felt. I mention only the fiery
aspect, but throughout there was simultaneously a perception of
Kelvinian cold and also the realization that these were merely
illusions and with that the calm and quiet of a black starless night
enfolding my being as a child being swaddled by the universe as mother.
Leaning into that stream of universal energy (including the non-energy
and the nothing simultaneously) and feeling my 'ego' vanishing and
becoming at one completely with the universe is what I meant by
self-annihilation. I was shown in this experience what that would mean,
I also realized that there is much I have to do before I am ready to
let go of my ego-mihi-self and enter that state.
I don't have the training in either psychiatry or spirituality/
mysticism to be able to couch this experience in either set of jargon.
Therefore, I 'tell it like it is' and where I think a bit of patois
might apply I try to use it. BTW from the little I know about Buddhism,
I think Bodhidharma would be baffled by what the Japanese have done to
his teachings since he created zen for them in the sixth century - did
you know that the Japanese word for snowman is yukidaruma snow
Bodhidharma!
So, your admonition about the use of enlightenment is well-taken. And I
hope you see that my usage means that I am now AWAKENED to
ENLIGHTENMENT, but I think I have a long way to go to get there.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT-)
DANANANDA (The rising kundalini makes us all cousins of Buddha.)
"Mysticism isn't a religion, it is a religious disease." Santayana
18 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
You wrote: I am so happy to see that some of you have been
experimenting with the vibrations of your own kundalini, spurred by
Shri Mataji's picture on the Sahaja Yoga web site.
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I tried the "breeze" experiment with the web sight photograph.
Completely successful!
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Just a couple of things, M. Zollo is a very excited proponent of Shri
Mataji and has overstated my enthusiasm a bit. (Mr. Zollo - that sounds
Italian or Spanish maybe? Are you perchance Jewish? Just curious;-)
Anyhooo, I HAVE had a positive experience with my brief encounter with
Sahaja yoga and am warming to it slowly - I have an incredibly
difficult time linking up with ANYONE in the San Francisco bay area, I
think the whole organization is voluntary and they are all out
meditating! Since attending the 'get-your-realization' seminar at L.A.
on Sept. 24 I have been getting new and more powerful feelings and
sensations every day. At first they were VERY controlled and
deliberate. The train has left the station, so to speak, and seems to
be picking up speed. This evening I went through a k-rising event that
nearly approached my original (am I wrong, or is it common that the
first experience is the most intense by many magnitudes and one is
drawn to try to reattain that state?).
Now comes the heretical part. I found out shortly after my first
on-line positive experience meditating with Shri Mataji's picture that
it is the simplest (and most effective) meditation that I have ever
done (TM is the only other and I found that boring and marginally
effective). However, I don't bother with the picture anymore - the
meditation and state occur spontaneously at will.
Also, I have been querying others about their experiences and have
found others for which nothing happens. My guess is gurus are for some
and some gurus are for others and no guru is for everyone.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT-)
DANANANDA (Buddha's other cousin-the one that wasn't paying attention)