kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 170 

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: Any thoughts?, Jan!

RONALD PANIAGUA wrote:

> ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK
> limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py

Hi Ron

Your messages are lovely, but please let me, perhaps out of ignorance, 
challenge your name, RA MELCHIZEDEK.  It is making me very uncomfortable. 
 I am familiar with the underlying meaning of it, at it appears to me 
that either you are arrogant, or this group has been blessed with the 
equivalent of a near immortal in our midst.  It is like turning up in the 
middle east and using the name Khdir.  It is not something to be done 
lightly.  

I'm willing to be enlightened.  He who was first to give Abaham bread and 
wine in the wilderness long before the birth of Christ, he who directed 
the early stages of evolution as a legacy of the early ones - should be 
able to do this? No?

jan

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 
From: Theresa "A." Catoe 
Subject: Lia Pas

Hi Lia,

I don't listen to the news much anymore either. It's to painful. What 
strange thinks are happening with the Reiki energy & the K? All I can 
tell you is I have something like hot flashes but it feels just like that 
engery that flows thru me when I do Reiki. But when it happens, I'm not 
doing Reiki. It happens when I'm at work ( I'm an Accountant) & I'm not 
thinking Reiki. However, I noticed the other day when I was working 
on someone that  the energy felt so much stronger. I don't get to 
practice or work on many people. I live in the Bible Belt & people are 
afraid of Reiki. They are afraid of anything they don't understand.

How could you tell by my sign off that I do Reiki? Very intuitive aren't 
you! Let me know what strange things you are talking about as a lot 
has been happening with me that I don't understand.

Love & Light,

T.C.



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Lia Pas

Excuse my interruption, but what is reiki?



Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: Sarti Krishnan 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Can you help me? I used to practice Yoga and Kundalini Yoga ever since
childhood. But since my late teen ages, I have been captured by an alcohol
addiction. I am 30 years old now and I have been addicted for 10 years. I feel
a strong need to break away from bondage to freedom of the spirit. But, I have
no strength or direction. Please reply to sartikATNOSPAMmicrosoft.com


Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Kundalini and the chakras
-
At 11:03 AM 9/28/96 -1000, Dave Long wrote:
>A mailing list on kundalini should concern
>itself solely with higher chakras.

Hi Dave,
This puzzles me a bit.  From everything I have heard, learned,
and experienced with kundalini, it seems to me that it travels
through each and every chakra.  So to focus the list only on
the higher chakras would be to bypass part of the experience.
-
I think it is more a byproduct of our culture rather than individual
idiosyncracies that there is such a focus on kundalini and the 2nd
chakra.  In some ways though, I feel that many of us are here to do
generational healing.  Not just an individual karmic type thing, but
a more profound genetic healing as well.  I think this might be aided
by the use of the internet to connect with others from all over the
planet.  Healing of self, other and planet.

Another idea I've been playing with... I've heard of something called
the unified chakra.  I have the meditation and have read through it,
but not actually sat and done it.  I've wondered if kundalini might
not be that unification force.  It rises through each chakra, awakening
and clearing it... bring it to consciousness in a way, and as each
chakra is awakened... each energy body, there comes an increasing
awareness that we are no longer alone.  At least that is how I've
perceived it.  And as the energy system is cleared the energy bodies 
(chakras) begin to work more and more in harmony... perhaps this is
also where some of the synchronicity which we begin to experience
in the external world during an awakening emanates from.  And the
synchronicity of the chakras is enhanced by the flow of the kundalini
perhaps eventually forming the system into a unified chakra.

These ideas are just developing... This is the first time I've actually
put words to them.  I find it quite exciting the way life, the universe
and everything just sort of dovetails together.

At any rate, my whole reason for writing was to say that I think
we need the full experience... all the chakras.  It is of interest
however that the journey of kundalini through the chakras other than
the 2nd, receives far less notice... perhaps the heart and 3rd eye
are the next most talked about.  I wonder why...

Love and light to all,
ori^
 


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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: susanmayATNOSPAMdigital.net
Subject: Higher Chakra experiences

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From: Dave Long 


>>Hedonists who think they are no better than mere
dogs, copulating in the street, are having a 2nd
chakra experience.

>>Sports fans who are watching their team win a
game are having a 3rd chakra experience, as is
a general planning a great battle.

>>A mailing list on kundalini should concern
itself solely with higher chakras.

Shidda on your shouldas....

Sumati

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: susanmayATNOSPAMdigital.net
Subject: Re: Earth Kundalini and Earth Changes

Dan said:

>>"this is not the end. ... this is not the beginning of the end. ... this is
the end of beginning. .. I still like that quote from Millenium. :)

>>the nifty thing about this is that so many cultures, sects, religions, etc
seem to agree on the general date (same year, or range or years). All point
to approx the year 2000 for "earth changes" and this has been a discussion
on the net for some time.

>>Perhaphs the earth is having kundalini, who's to say. personally i think its
just adjusting to all the people going through that process, that the earth
itself is waiting for us to catch up, much like the rest of the universe.

I really like that saying from the book you quoted.  I also think the concept 
of the personalizing the earth so that it may be experiencing kundalini 
awakening is an exciting metaphor, especially as we are all directly connected 
to Mother Earth as long as we're here in bodies.

>>the earths poles are shifting. its a fact that all tv's 35" or bigger are
already being manufactured to compensate for the earths shifting magnetic
fields. computer monitors 17" or higher are somewhat affected by this as
well. it's pretty nifty (or freaky). :)

Dan, can you provide some sources for your info?  It's interesting and I'd 
like to know where you read or heard about this.  I'm not really a 
scientist-type but when we're dealing with something like this, I want to hear 
the documentable facts.  Also, just yesterday I was looking at 17" monitors.  
I haven't heard anyone speak of this.

In fact, on the web, you'll find the National Earth Orientation Service (NEOS) 
which monitors variations in the orientation of the earth.  I don't think 
their long term predictions for changes in delta T substantiate your claims.  
So, I'm curious, can you back up this up with sources of your data?  
[http://maia.usno.navy.mil/]


>>i hope everyone is buckled in, its going to be a bumpy ride...
Dan.
there are always possibilities...
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I guess you're referring to the ride while in physical form.  I hope that ride 
doesn't get any bumpier (I think I'm not alone in saying we seem to be 
reaching a lot of thresholds of tolerance.  

I like to imagine that its just specks of dust in the gears of the grandfather 
clock of time, making the big and small hands fumble around a bit with earth 
time and consequently space.  

Thanks for the feedback in advance.
Sue (aka Sumati)






Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Christs frequency
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Gloria,
     I think I may finally be starting to manifest the physical 
symptoms of kundalini. But it is amazing to me just how much these
energy rushes that travel up the spine and leave me totally shakey 
and blissful for hours afterward, feel exactly like the descent of "The 
Holy Spirit" as I learned years ago in charismatic Christianity.

     So right now, I'm wondering if the kundalini awakening is just how 
eastern thought describes the *same experience* that western thought 
does in the form of fundamental Christianity! The experience felt 
exactly the same to me. Can we be experiencing the same thing as truly 
surrendered Christians do, yet we are calling it something else?

     Could it be that the division between eastern thought (kundalini 
awakening) and western thought (Christianity) is just one more evidence 
of the Primal Split underlying the Unity in all creation? Ying&Yang.
Science is slowly catching up to what we already know here.

Melody  
-
LN>Royale,
  > Alignment with divine will is the primary focus for entering and
  >literally becoming absorbed into the Christ Frequency. It requires self
  >discipline to learn to let go and flow with it, using meditation and
  >dream work as tools to enter the eye of the needle. You really don't try
  >it, rather you open yourself to it and through humility become absorbed
  >into it. Gloria

 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * The quality of life is identical to quality of consciousness
-


Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Bio Feedback

 Hi All,

 I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with "Bio Feedback"
- Can it be used with the Kundalini experiance somehow ?

 Is the equipment costly ?

 What exactly does it do. ?

 Does the equipment contain radio active components. ?

 Does one have to get wired up like someone in the
 electric chair. ?
-
 Will friends and family run, screaming, from the house ?

 Thank You Much,
  Jim

 


Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: "Debee L. Thomas" 
Subject: Re: Lia Pas

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Mark Rivera wrote:

> Excuse my interruption, but what is reiki?
> 
Reiki is an ancient Japanese form of Holistic Healing.  It is the 
channeling of Universal Energies through oneself into the person you are 
working with.  It is a very gentle form of healing and heals on all 
levels.  Spiritual, Physical, Mental and Emotional.  There is three 
levels of attunement of which one can go through.  On the first level you 
must be present with the person you are working with.  With the second 
level you can be present or send the healing energies across a distance 
and with level three, you are a Master and can do the above two levels 
and also attune others to become Reiki practitioners.  There is a series 
of hand positions one uses to channel the energy and you do not need to 
actually touch the person you work with.  I've found that while I am 
attuned for level one, I'm able to send healing across distances to 
people.  I'm unsure if it is Reiki or just my desire to be of help to 
others.  I only know that for me, it works and I'm thankful for it.  I 
hope this helps.

Blessed Be

Debee



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: "C. Watson" 
Subject: Re: DAVELONG-CHAKRA EMPHASIS

Dave Long wrote:
> 
> Dave Long wrote:
> 
> Hedonists who think they are no better than mere dogs, copulating in the
street, are having a 2nd chakra experience... A mailing list on kundalini
should concern itself solely with higher chakras.
-
This an erroneous and dangerous mandate. All chakras are always active and do
not exist independently. They represent earth, water, fire, air, akasha and
mahat & to seperate these into a Western concept of evolution and development
is dead wrong.

I strive to reach ajna but if a dog attacks me I sure as hell want my muladhara
in full swing.

We cannot reach our goals without integtrating all chakras. Empasizing the
higer ones only leads to effete snobbery and false realizations.



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

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From: Sarti Krishnan           \ Internet:    (sartikATNOSPAMmicrosoft.com)
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Can you help me? I used to practice Yoga and Kundalini Yoga ever since
childhood. But since my late teen ages, I have been captured by an alcohol
addiction. I am 30 years old now and I have been addicted for 10 years. I
feel a strong need to break away from bondage to freedom of the spirit. But,
I have no strength or direction. Please reply to sartikATNOSPAMmicrosoft.com


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Burn all the maps to your body.
Richard Brautigan



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: RONALD PANIAGUA 
Subject: just answered to Jan, but I thought all

Beloved Jan,
Hola sympatico!
This is ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK. When I studied the book by SOLARA years
ago: "The Solarangel and howe you awaken it" this name, my starry name
ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK came trought and it is verified, because higher
being call me like that. I am part of the brotherhood of MELCHIZEDEK,
you might know, that Melchizedelk himself is the logos of  the univers
and their are different groups of brotherhoods from MELCHIZEDEK all over
the univers serving to FAHTER-MOTHER-GOD bringng all of us in greater
UNITY
Love and Light for you!
Antaris
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Lia Pas

Dear Debee:

I find that quite interesting and I appreciate your explanation. I find
that this practice may be used by more thn just the Reiki practicioner.
What I mean is that I have found that a Guru, people who study Thai Chi,
and even people who I've met on-line and close friends, even family can
help heal a person through caring thoughts, etc. It's intersting how this
form of energy exchange is quite evident in life even when a person
doesn't realize it. Thank you for sharing with me.

Mark 



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 
From: Theresa "A." Catoe 
Subject: Reiki
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Debee,

Thanks for explaining what Reiki is. There are cousins to Reiki; 
Therapeutic Touch, Lay-on- of-hands & and a Hawian name that I 
can't think of off the top of my head. They are all from the same 
source, God, universal energy or what ever you want to call it.

I am a Reiki Master. Some people are already open to this energy ( I 
was one who was already open before I went thru the training), some 
are not. The Reiki Master does attune you to this energy (opens you 
up). Yes Debee, your desire to help others will help to send this energy 
across long distance. I just help people understand that they already 
have this energy. I can't put something there that's not already there to 
start with. We all have this ability.

Love & Light,

T.C.

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: colds and cobras

        Thank you all for the wonderful responses to my questions about the
cobra position and my right-side-only head cold.  My speech was very, very
well received and the cold gets better every day.  I had been taking
echanecia (sp?)
with food, but found it is much more effective if taken alone. That helped too.

However, nothing is as helpful as having this group around.  You are a
solice in this K stage of life and I appreciate everyone. Thank you all again.

Mary 



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Earth Kundalini and Earth Changes

At 04:02 AM 9/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I really like that saying from the book you quoted.  I also think the
concept 
>of the personalizing the earth so that it may be experiencing kundalini 
>awakening is an exciting metaphor, especially as we are all directly
connected 
>to Mother Earth as long as we're here in bodies.
-
book? i suppose it was, but mine was from the movie. i think its more that
the earth is reacting to our changes now. its a bit ahead of us I think...

>Dan, can you provide some sources for your info?  It's interesting and I'd 
>like to know where you read or heard about this.  I'm not really a 
>scientist-type but when we're dealing with something like this, I want to
hear 
>the documentable facts.  Also, just yesterday I was looking at 17"
monitors.  
>I haven't heard anyone speak of this.

of course not. Why would they make it common knowledge? besides, none of
the computer shops would know anything about this, neither would the
wholesalers or distributors. Only the manufacturers themselves would know,
or care, them, and possibly some electrical/electronic engineers. besides,
as I said, only usually sizes 30" or bigger are really affected, and so far
only those 35" and bigger have had circuitry built into them to compensate
for this.

>In fact, on the web, you'll find the National Earth Orientation Service
(NEOS) 
>which monitors variations in the orientation of the earth.  I don't think 
>their long term predictions for changes in delta T substantiate your
claims.  
>So, I'm curious, can you back up this up with sources of your data?  
>[http://maia.usno.navy.mil/]

why would they talk about computer monitors or tv's ?? this has nothing to
do with them really. I mean, so what if some consumer electronics is being
affected. this is OLD news to them, and its already been compensated for at
the manufacturing level.

>>>i hope everyone is buckled in, its going to be a bumpy ride...
>Dan.
>there are always possibilities...
>
>I guess you're referring to the ride while in physical form.  I hope that
ride 
>doesn't get any bumpier (I think I'm not alone in saying we seem to be 
>reaching a lot of thresholds of tolerance.  

you can hope, but it will do little good. it's gonna get a lot more bumpy,
like it or not, ready or not.

as for proof, that's easy. contact any large consumer electronics
manfacturer of large tv's, over 35", and ask them. say like Sony, Pioneer,
or whoever...
it's not like my claims are at all unsubstantiated, or even that much of a
surprise. you seem awefully upset about such a little thing though. its not
the end of the world, at least, not yet, anyhow. 
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Re: DAVELONG-CHAKRA EMPHASIS

At 09:47 29/09/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Dave Long wrote:
>> 
>> Dave Long wrote:
>> 
>> Hedonists who think they are no better than mere dogs, copulating in the
street, are having a 2nd chakra experience... A mailing list on kundalini
should concern itself 
>solely with higher chakras.
>
>This an erroneous and dangerous mandate. All chakras are always active and do
not exist >independently. They represent earth, water, fire, air, akasha and
mahat & to seperate >these into a Western concept of evolution and development
is dead wrong. > >I strive to reach ajna but if a dog attacks me I sure as hell
want my muladhara in full >swing. > >We cannot reach our goals without
integrating all chakras. Emphasizing the higer ones >only leads to effete
snobbery and false realizations.
>
Bravo and Amen!

The whole point is to work on the Fire Serpent and get it to rise up through
all the rest and illuminate them, how can you do that without meditation
upon the lower chakras? 
How do you build your house with no foundation? 
You end up building a castle in the air, to be blown away by the first
strong wind.
We have gone to a lot of trouble to be here, in this physical plane, 
because there are lessons to be learned in space/time.
Lessons we can only learn by being physical.
Having bodies, and learning what the body knows about sharing love.
There are many 'roads to Rome' or paths to enlightenment which deny the body.
Tantra is one which celebrates the body.
Goddess gave me a body, she must have had a good reason.
Let's see what it's for, and what it can do, let's learn how the body
connects to 
mind and spirit.
The body has it's own language and power, it's own connections to the Earth.
Why else do you think all these discarnate entities are so interested in the
development of us incarnate folks? 
So busy trying to climb inside our bodies, if body is only dirt?
Such a silly idea, that dogs in the street are not also a manifestation of
Life, that can be learned from.
"You cannot go against nature, because when you do,
to go against nature is a part of nature too."
              Blessings, silly frightened person Dave, love Angelique.



Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: Thought, questions & Answers (?)

Yes, I follow you and have had some of those kind of feelings and ideas.
They are hard to communicate. I felt as though I had reached the very
top of the high I was on and overcame all others. I felt compeletly
alone in the universe and the owner of all concepts. From there I could
direct.  Very strange! It certainly is a power as mentioned by someone
else. Perhaps we do seek a certain kind of power, but not a bad power.
The power to help things be better.  Royale

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: yr. of birth

I want to test an idea. If any of you could tell me if you were born
during the year of the snake, id appredciate it. (chinese astrology).
Royale

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Kundalini and the chakras

ori^ wrote:
> 
> At 11:03 AM 9/28/96 -1000, Dave Long wrote:
> >A mailing list on kundalini should concern
> >itself solely with higher chakras.
> 
> 

> 
> At any rate, my whole reason for writing was to say that I think
> we need the full experience... all the chakras.  It is of interest
> however that the journey of kundalini through the chakras other than
> the 2nd, receives far less notice... perhaps the heart and 3rd eye
> are the next most talked about.  I wonder why...
> 
> Love and light to all,
ori^

To enter this conversation:
	When Dave suggests focusing on the higher centers, it isn't like the
three lower centers aren't acknowledged, however, whereever your
attention goes, is where the energy follows. If the list really works at
entering into a higher frequency through working together as a group of
souls to reach that Christ frequency and then work with it as a total
focus...  Then everyone will benefit from the group consciousness force
coming together, power in numbers. It would pick everyone up and allow
those coming in to immediately access higher frequencies of light.
 As it is, so much of the conversation is on the lower centers that you
would think that those centers would take you to enlightenment on their
own merit. Perhaps everyone isn't going to the same place and have
different purposes for sharing with the group.
	 The three lower centers reflect the ego/self, which is probably going
to make a bunch of you mad. But if the focus of your mediations is to
become God centered, you leave the lower work to manifest your life
vibration in the higher .... and when there is a good degree of mastery,
spirit takes you into the lower centers to reenergize, and recreate them
for the use of the Christ frequency. Eventually you do clean house, but
it is after really becoming established in divine will. Gloria
> 
> 
>



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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Christs frequency

Melody Gavigan wrote:
> 
> Gloria,
>      I think I may finally be starting to manifest the physical
> symptoms of kundalini. But it is amazing to me just how much these
> energy rushes that travel up the spine and leave me totally shakey
> and blissful for hours afterward, feel exactly like the descent of "The
> Holy Spirit" as I learned years ago in charismatic Christianity.
> 
>      So right now, I'm wondering if the kundalini awakening is just how
> eastern thought describes the *same experience* that western thought
> does in the form of fundamental Christianity! The experience felt
> exactly the same to me. Can we be experiencing the same thing as truly
> surrendered Christians do, yet we are calling it something else?
> 
>      Could it be that the division between eastern thought (kundalini
> awakening) and western thought (Christianity) is just one more evidence
> of the Primal Split underlying the Unity in all creation? Ying&Yang.
> Science is slowly catching up to what we already know here.
> 
> Melody
> 
> LN>Royale,
>   > Alignment with divine will is the primary focus for entering and
>   >literally becoming absorbed into the Christ Frequency. It requires self
>   >discipline to learn to let go and flow with it, using meditation and
>   >dream work as tools to enter the eye of the needle. You really don't try
>   >it, rather you open yourself to it and through humility become absorbed
>   >into it. Gloria
> 
>  Melody,
Many people think Holy Spirit and k are the same thing, and in one
respect it is, it is female energy coming through. The difference I see
is that one is dormant in the body at the base of the spine, it awaits
awakening. The other enters as cosmic force which is to awaken one to
the Christ frequency. The Holy Spirit is the teacher as we know from
Western Christianity. It is in coming to know the Holy Spirit that k is
really allowed to do its work. Both powers are from God and it maybe the
same frequency one in the body and one drawn to the body when the time
is right. AT any rate, in order to work with it, you must become
detached from the self/ detached from thoughts and ideas that are so
self absorbed, and you lose yourself in the higher frequency of the Holy
Spirit until you are really ready to take on the Christ power. This is a
process. But you leave the lower/self thoughts behind in order to enter
this divine fire. Hope this gives you something to meditate on. Gloria