kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 163 

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Sexual K Experiences: Steve: (Spoiler)                  

Subject: Re: Sexual K Experiences: Steve: (Spoiler)                  

SI>I would welcome stories of k awakening and experiences of all natures.  I
  >would suggest that if some people are unconfortable with certain aspects of
  >kundalini,  that they must look inside themselves to find the reasons for th
SI>As I am just starting the k process, I am interested in learing as much as
  >possible.  As long as the sexual aspects are described with respect to
  >kundalini and not purely for shock or pornographic values, I don't think
  >many would object  to hearing those stories.
SI>In Service to the Light,
 


     First of all, I would like to say that I loved the way you signed 
off, "In Service to the Light." That is exactly how I feel every day now.
     I want to tell the story of my awakening beginning but this part 
is of a sexual nature, so I will add a "spoiler" to this message so as 
not to offend anyone (scroll down).


 

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      In June of this year, I was doing a lot of reading on spiritual 
subjects and had many times in the past sensed the unity behind all 
creation and also the primal split of Yin/Yang underlying that (which is 
an illusion..I believe?) Anyway, during the time of my studies, I met a 
man who is two years younger than I. (You may have heard me speak about 
this man on this list - after our breakup). Anyway, we had an intense 
physical attraction to each other. 

     I also believe that, despite his severe blockages in his spirit 
that make him a keg of dynamite full of grievances against women, he 
has been seeking spirituality all of his life desperately. His ego is 
so enthroned because of his early Mormon church upbringing and training 
in the Marines, and training in his job for which he has to be a 
non-compromising perfectionist that he is a Master Manipulator and 
can't handle any situation which he feels the slightest out of control 
in.

        Anyway, he had built this special bed that is, like, 
waist-high off the ground. He is a cabinet-maker extraordinare and 
bought a custom mattress for it, so that it would have lots of drawers 
underneath it. We found that it was the *perfect* height for making 
love, with him standing and me laying back on the bed. 
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     I was learning how to surrender spiritually, and this led to my 
complete surrender in bed. When the woman is passively in total and 
in a state of utter and complete surrender and the man is relaxed and 
not worrying if he is performing adequately etc., I believe that energy 
from heaven goes through the man, into the woman, and cycles back this 
way. I fully believe that these love-making sessions completed the 
process of opening my heart chakra that had started sporadically in 
1992 (that is too long of a story/and not sexually related).

-      Thus, the beginning of my awakening. It's just too bad that this 
man won't explore with me further. He got scared by this unconditional 
love and receptivity he was sensing in my energy field, at the center 
or core of my Self. He just was not completely ready to receive. (I am 
not compulsive, needy, or anything like that.) He did admit that he 
felt he wanted to learn from me, but then even any contact became too 
unbearable for him. I think that the light shining so brightly through 
my spirit illuminated his total and complete ego control, and it scared 
the living daylights out of him! He may never be ready to face his 
shadow nature. My ego feels abandoned, but at the same time, I also 
feel that he came by at just the exact time to push each of us up one 
more step on the ladder of conscious evolution! And so I release him, 
with peace, love, and appreciation, and I forgive him for the abuse. 
(How can you not forgive an ignorant person?)

In the Service of the Light also,
Melody

 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Lust is off-topic.

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Sexual K Experiences

PI>BY the way, Internet Explorer has netmeeting, a great chat room
  >facilty...Any other suggestions?

I do not have Web access, so I could not participate in a chat room.
Melody

 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Self observation is effort. Life is effort. Healing is....



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: M.ParrATNOSPAMshu.ac.uk (Mike Parr)
Subject: Re: Kundalini...

>i would, however, like more information about kundalini yoga, as the
only
>yoga studio here is Iyengar based.

>Lia


Hi Lia
hope you dont mind a personal reply - I'm sure there are people who can
assist with K-yoga, (and will probably reply) and I guess that you also
know a bit about it.

The style that Ihave tried is used by the 3HO people, and they have
centres in  a few major cities.  They produce a lot of books with 100s
of 'sets' in them (too many in my opinion !!)
A typical set consists of a series of postures , each of which  affects
a different area of the spine, working upwards -often  coupled with
'breath of fire'- which I guess you know (though Iyengar classes dont
do this v. much in UK)   I tried it for a while, but couldnt continue
on my own - and I wasnt sure I wanted to get into the guru aspect,
which many of the teachers were into.
Best wishes - Mike
ps - I think your mails to the K list are wonderfully open  (and even
though i think my spontaneous backbends are wonderful, I never discuss
this stuff elsewhere :-)



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

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From: ia thunberg              \ Internet:   
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Hello! I,ll want to have some help to releaf my pain in my kundalini rising.
Now I have a strong pain in my neckand head, I have also cold and hot
flashes and strong out of body experiences.i have also a great pain in my
big  toe. Idon't feel any fear anymore but I need some informations with
help me to eas the pain. 
Tanks
And tanks Royales for your fast respons.
Ia


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--
I really think I write about everyday life.  I don't think I'm
quite as odd as others say I am.  Life is intrinsically, well, 
boring and dangerous at the same time.  At any given moment the
floor may open up.  Of course, it almost never does; that's what
makes it so boring.
Edward Gorey



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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: Psychoses problems

Dear list members,

This was sent to me instead of the list.  Since I'm not sure who the writer
intended it to go to, I am removing the name and posting it "anonymously".  

Please make sure to send posts to KUNDALINI-LATNOSPAMEXECPC.COM.  Anything sent to
kundalini-l-owner, kundalini-l-request, or libra won't be posted, and may be
lost.  Also, ONLY MEMBERS may post.  So if you don't see your post appear,
make sure that you are sending it from the account which is subscribed.

Very truly yours,
Richard

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Subject: Psychoses problems

After doing spirit healing, I went through a brief psychoses, and now I have
an internal voice/I believe spirit conversing/nagging/threateningly me
consistently.

I was wondering if you could advise a cure for me or some sort of healing.

Also I am trying to get n touch with C. Michael Smith, PHD who has expeience
with this sort of thing. Would you know of his email address.
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Yours sincerely

(name removed)

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--
I really think I write about everyday life.  I don't think I'm
quite as odd as others say I am.  Life is intrinsically, well, 
boring and dangerous at the same time.  At any given moment the
floor may open up.  Of course, it almost never does; that's what
makes it so boring.
Edward Gorey



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 

Subject: Re: UFO and K (Re: Words)

At 12:48 PM 9/25/96 +0000, you wrote:
> you may be right on ufos, but who can know without evidence?  
>Or experiences?  Royale

You learn from the experience of others and look at what changes have
occurred in their lives.  I would submit that a dramatic change can be
considered evidence of something happening.  Could not the same argument be
made of a kundalini awakening?
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In Service to the Light,





Fear of the unknown closes doors that you did not know existed.


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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: Antaris Ra Melchizedek 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Looking (and offering) for Tantra (Kundalini)-Contacts in Asunci�n,
Paraguay (Southamerica)!
Antaris Ra Melchizedek
limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py
Fax: 011 595 21 310 563
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Fwd: Psychoses problems

At 07:40 AM 9/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>After doing spirit healing, I went through a brief psychoses, and now I have
>an internal voice/I believe spirit conversing/nagging/threateningly me
>consistently.
>
>I was wondering if you could advise a cure for me or some sort of healing.
>
>Also I am trying to get n touch with C. Michael Smith, PHD who has expeience
>with this sort of thing. Would you know of his email address.

I don't know any cure or anything for this, but it's interesting you should
mention the "nagging/threatening spirit". I just went through this, as a
friend of mine here and some others could tell you, and still coming off the
tail-end.

In my case, and probably yours as well, this entity is actually an
externalized part of yourself. It represents an internal conflict, which has
come to such a point, that you've externalized it.

I even fought once or twice with the entity that was hanging around me,
because I wanted to "get rid of it", and was attacked in turn by it. This
really led nowhere, but could, I suppose. Once I realized what was
happening, I understood why neither it nor I could harm each other, really.
the worst it caused was a headache, and i was mostly unable to affect it.
This is because it was part of myself, and harming yourself does little
good, and resolves nothing.

I'm going to quote some of what a friend passed on to me, I dont have the
message handy so this will be rather rough, but perhaps there is some part
of you you are not willing to accept, that you are rejecting, that you
refuse to acknowledge, and perhaps there is fear involved. It's possible
these things feed off the fear, and that may be one reason they exist. This
is also suggested to me as the cause of poltergeists.

How'd I get rid of mine finally? well, after everything above and more, and
balancing my energy off of it a couple times, and realizing there was
something odd about its energy field. I moved into the energy, stood right
in the center, and opened up, and took it in, told it it was going with me,
and I was taking it home. the important part of this was the openness, the
white energy, and the heart level over head level. theres still work to do
after this point, and its rather odd, and sometimes difficult to deal with.

Well that's my 2 cents worth on this one, having just come through it (for
the most part) I understand what you're going through. As a native
spiritualist reminded me, ANY entity outside ourself MUST identify itself.
If it doesnt, then its not an external entity at all, but really an internal
conflict that has come out. So, to start, ask it what/who it is, and what it
wants. If you dont get an answer, it's part of you that's in conflict and
needs to be dealed with.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: cobra position

Could some please decribe the cobra position to me?  It has been mentioned
in several things I've been reading and I can't get to a library or
bookstore and have no yoga books.  TIA
		Mary,
-	The Reluctant Earthling



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Right side only?

I have a cold that is only affecting the right side of my head.  How weird.
But then again, what hasn't been weird since my K started rising?
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Does anyone know a way to balance this out?  Why it might be?  What the heck
is going on here?  Instant cures?

It sort of reminds me of the breezes thread, one hand cool, the other not.

Last month I had strep throat and now this.  I trust the K is cleaning me
out but I am quite weary of it all just now.  It has been almost a year of
one weird symptom after another.  First chakra stuff on up. **see addendum 

I have to give a speech tomorrow and want to be well enough to do so.
Typical antihistmines are having a weird effect on me.  They make me feel
hyper rather than dull, but I am too sick to make any use of the hyper
feeling.  It's just there - along with all the other symptoms.






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** When K started I got involved in a very intense sexual relationship with
someone I neither liked nor respected.  The sex was the best I'd ever had
however.  I was fairly healthy otherwise at that time - until I started
feeling how inappropriate the relationship was and how little integrity I
was using. End of relationship.  Then it was on to 2nd chakra stuff, etc.
		Mary,
	The Reluctant Earthling



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: MAYDAY!, ...MAYDAY! ...goin down

I^m stunned by the amount and quality of the replies to my note on 
sexuality. Can^t thank you all enough. Personal replies will be sent 
out when I get back.

I would have to go with the idea of putting up a warning and a space. 
If we go off into chat rooms, etc., I feel it would splinter the group 
and totally confuse newbies.

I^m having major directory problems with my computer. Seems to be 
coming from my mail program. I^m not even sure that you^ll get this 
note.  I have to tear down, eradicate the culprit and re-initilize. This 
may take a few day^s as I^m not sure what I^m going to find, and on 
top of that, my backup system sucks. 

When I get back, I^m going to start my little story, [UFO^s included].
I^m truly excited about this. For myself I^ve found not only a door to 
?, but the key^s to open it. Anxious for feedback...  


-- 
���������       CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE,  ...Nannu      ��؃�����



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Sexual post

>> **THIS POST CONTAINS INFORMATION OF A SEXUAL NATURE AS IT RELATES TO
>> KUNDALINI!!! THOSE WHO MAY BE OFFENDED BY THIS, PLEASE DELETE THIS POST
>> NOW!!!**
>








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Re: Male and female ejaculation

I am very happy to see this new development on the k-line. Very happy, from
a freedom of speech point of view. Without freedom of speech, we all lose a
certain type of freedom of heart, mind, spirit and soul as well. Sure there
are risks, nothing good ever came without them. It's worth it!

As far as tantra goes,...there are many theories about ejaculation, and
therefore no one point of view that can be called "the truth".

I always recommend that each person discover for themselves what works best
for them. I have seen many different people and answers.

My own feeling is that the more you give, the more you have to give.
Therefore we are not really into the withholding in this sense: some tantra
suggests that the represseed male semen gets "circulated upward". Now,
energetically, one can circulate the energy, but this has nothing to do with
whether or not one ejaculates. Anyone can circulate energy! Man or woman!!!!
The more a man or a woman spends in the orgasmic state, the more the body
will develop this ability to stay in this state. Some men ejaculate early
on, and stay in this state without missing a beat, they just go higher. They
could train their bodies to do this if they weren't already. Other men like
to build and build without ejacluiating first. Then they do, near the end.
Some don't at  all.  So all kinds of things are possible.

Some people (I believe) have the mistaken impression that this "male nectar"
is holy, or spiritual, or to be saved, too good to waste, etc. This is what
the Taoists teach. I personally think this is sexist. And it is inaccurate,
too. Withheld semen is lost out the bladder anyway, within minutes. 

I think some of these religious beliefs were formed a long time ago before
science was developed and when male chauvinism was even more rampant than it
is today. Men giving themselves their own semen, honestly! I know men that
take heavy doses of vitamins and minerals to "replace" what is lost. Another
questionnable thing. I know men who have ejaculated 3 times a day for their
whole life, don't take any supplements, and are at the peak of health and
vitality.
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Anyway, the key is energy. Tantra is about energy. You don't go to an opera
to hear the last note. Tantra is more about the whole opera than the last
note. The last note is just one note. At least the type of tantra I have
always been involved in, the kind that likes to work with the sexual energy.
Not all Tantra does.

Okay, let's relate this to k. If I hadn't had an awakening that was a full
body orgasm without being touched, I wouldn't have cared or learned about
any of this. For me I found orgasm as a way to get back home, into the
light, any time I wanted to. Pretty neat, huh?



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Re: cobra position


http://www.sivananda.org/exercise.htm
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This site describes these excersises.

   1.Headstand (Sirshasana) 
   2.Shoulderstand (Sarvangasana) 
   3.Plough (Halasana) 
   4.Fish (Matsyasana) 
   5.Forward bend (Paschimothanasana) 
   6.Cobra (Bhujangasana) 
   7.Locust (Shalabhasana) 
-   8.Bow (Dhanurasana) 
   9.Spinal twist (Ardha Matsyendrasana) 
  10.Crow pose (Kakasana) or Peacock pose (Mayurasana) 
  11.Standing forward bend (Pada Hasthasana) 
  12.Triangle (Trikonasana)

A good page that shows pictures of the excersise as well as gives
instructions.
Have fun.

Peace and light,
John Halonen


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From: Mary Knapp               \ Internet:    (chooseagainATNOSPAMthegrid.net) To: 
Subject: cobra position

Could some please decribe the cobra position to me?  It has been mentioned
in several things I've been reading and I can't get to a library or
bookstore and have no yoga books.  TIA
		Mary,
	The Reluctant Earthling


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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Nannu and Sexuality

Thank you, Nannu, for bravely making the connection between your K awakening
and sexuality.  For me this is the one topic that even the great Hindu sages
would not address publicly, to prosperity, even though some of their temples
are festooned with a zillion Kama Sutra - like consorts.

I would love to have an ongoing thread, with no salaciousness, about how the
sexual function is altered, especially when the ego lets the K take over,
during awakening.  This has been a major part of my own experience for the
entire 7 months it has been going on.  If the thread seems doable, I promise
to be totally candid.

Howard



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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 
From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
Subject: Re: k.opening/tantra sex book 

>>To: djonoATNOSPAMrad.net.id
>>From: Mistress Angelique Serpent 
>>
>>At 00:52 25/09/96 -1000, you wrote:
>>>Dear Friends,
>>>
>>>Actually I have several question concerning Kundalini : 
>>>
>>>1. I read somewhere that by moderating the sexual activity and 
>>>   moderating work, then , kundalini will be able to be awakened. 
>>  There as many different accounts of K. awakening as there are people who
have had the experience. It is very individual.
>>  In opening the awareness of individuals who have wholly given themselves
over to my care. I usually begin with a simple grounding visualization. 
>>  I have them sit comfortably, crosslegged or in a chair in a balanced
position, hands apart, feet flat on the floor. 
>> A sunbeam visualized warming the top of the head, then the top of the
head becomes a flower (1000 petaled lotus) opens to the warmth snd draws the
sunlight down it's stem, into the third eye and throat, to fill a resivoir
space in the torso, from belly to collarbone. when the space is filled, a
stream of light leaks from the bottom of the resivior, down through the
feet, down to the centre of the earth. 
>>  When the beam hits the centre, it sparks a volcano of energy that comes
roaring backup like old faithful, back into feet, exploding centre into
radiance, shooting out the top of the head like an umbrella-fountain,
sundrops rolling down to describe the oval that is the aura's perimeter,
making it complete and sealed against all harm. Some earth energy is sent
back up to higher self, but the centre increases in brilliance to fill the
aura completely. When I feel and see that the energy is complete, flowing
both ways and charging the aura to whatever seems to be thier maximum
brilliance, I snap my fingers with the suggestion that the circut has been
'locked in'. Their unconscous will now maintain the energy flow, while I
guide thier observations.
>>  We observe the complete abscence of negative or fearful thoughts in this
state.
>>     the relaxation and sense of well being.
>>     the tingling of the soles of the feet and fingertips
>>     the sensation of lightness of being
>>     we try to find an emotion that describes the feeling of the energy,
>>     and discover the only word that fits is love.
>>     absolute, unconditional love and acceptance.
>>(The shock of this sometimes completely un-grounds very insecure people,
and you have to ease them past their feelings of being unworthy, and start
again. Very worth doing.)
>>     I bring their attention back to thier center, and tell them to ask
the light in their center if it loves them, and if they are perfect already,
and listen for an answer.
>>     They sometimes look at me funny but they ask anyway, and the answer
always fills them with joy and awe. It is very beautiful. I have them ask it
a few more questions, to build thier trust and faith in their inner voice,
that it has always and always will be there for them, and to ask it for
insight into some minor difficulty they have been having. I ask them to
choose a small problem to start, because I want them to experience success,
and it takes practice to stay grounded when contemplating big emotional issues. 
>> Then I teach them how to do the visualization in one breath, twenty times
a day.
>>And anything else my intuition tells me they need to learn.
>>  
>>  Once they are connected with their soul-voice, and have integrated the
idea that they are perfect and unconditionally loved by the universe, (even
if not by themselves)
>>they are well on the path to K. awakening. The grounding excersise keeps
them in a nonjudgemental state, and in touch with thier guidance, and
continues, with every repetition to clear blockages and strenghten the
energy body.
>>  I've seen some people in my life totally transform their lives, from the
springboard of this one little visualization, repeated faithfully.
>It is ancient and powerful.
>>>2. Is sexual activity is by means of the ejaculation ( for male ) ? 
>>>   Because according to Tao Te Ching, As long as one does not ejaculate,
>>>   one can have sexual activities as many as he wants. 
>>
>>  It is possible to enter an altered, trancendent state with sexual
activity, with-holding ejaculation. The best book I have found to teach how
to do this is called
>>'the E.S.O. Ecstacy Program', by Alan P. Brauer, M.D. and Donna J. Brauer.
Warner books.
>>  To Quote page 113:
>>     "Extended orgasmic response appears to induce a highly pleasurable
state of heightened mental activity. This sexual high is similiar to a deep
meditative state, with electrical brain activity moving in more synchronous
patterns and shifted toward alpha and theta waves, with greater electrical
activity in the right side of the brain. Deep relaxation and meditation
produce similiar brain-wave shifts and patterns. Subjectively, such states
induce feelings of peacefulness and harmony and an altered sense of time.
The oceanic mental state that extended orgasmic response induces appears to
be similiar to states described by religous believers who have had visions
of God or universal oneness. This common meditative transformation may
explain the associations frequently addressed in world literature between
sexuality and spirituality."
>>  
>>  That's about as far as the book goes into spirituality, it's focus is
scientific, physical and emotional. You need to release a lot of sex
repression to access this state successfully, and the book has a lot of
emotional release and communication exercises.
>>I think of it as Tantra for western world. Do the physical things under
the guidance of your inner voice, you'll get there.
>>  Hope this helps. Sorry it's so long. -Angelique.
>>
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