kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 160 

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: RE: where to next?

Jan,
	That is a really hard question to answer, at
least to put into words...I will share this with you
however, that eight years ago I was awakened by an
Swami Chidvilasananda...I had thought, up to that point, 
that I was "getting it", that I was learning from and
meditating with her, progressing...I used visualization
and concentration, looking deep inside myself for
about one year...but one time eight years ago she just 
looked at me for a long while and then smiled and after
that, forget about visualization, faith, "believing",
whatever because everything became extremely tangible...
she just changed me, and it never stopped. 
It has certainly been a blessing
to me without any doubt whatsoever, and even though I
don't see  her too much anymore, only very occasionally,
yet she still means so much to me because I feel like out
of all the people in the world who couldn't care less about
me, she really did something good to me...she really helped
my life, helped me...and she really didn't have to...but I
am so lucky for that and I know I will love and respect her
even on the day I die...no matter what, and very very much.
-
As far as making progress, yes I always make progress...although
I am not the one to tell you what progress is...sometimes I
make progress, and sometimes it makes me...I don't know...
you really just have to be strong and live your life...
no choice there. You just have to face everything...I mean,
if you are having radical experiences and visions and are
completely blissed out, then I'd have to say that yes, you
are definitly making progress...

But as the Oracle of Delphi said "know thyself"...
I think that is the main thing, you
have to be completely honest with yourself, about everything.
I feel that is essential...I mean if you tell yourself something,
you must, as Nietczhe said, "define your terms"; that's
why all these new age self help books just make me laugh.
I mean, how many times can you say "unconditional cosmic love"?

It's like stoned people sitting around saying "that's cool", 
"yeah, that is sooo cool", "yeah, that is ultimately, cosmically 
cool"..."okay, I think we should all just be really really COOL
with each other, and COOL to ourselves, and that will be, really
COOL"...I mean, what does "cool" mean, anyways? That's what
I'm saying...define "cool". 

If you meditate, but there is somewhere inside that you
just avoid because it upsets you, well, right there is
where someday you will need to look and understand very
clearly...there's just no easy way. You just have to
open to yourself and understand yourself more and more.
And at some point, it's not a question of progress, it's
like the house is on fire, find some water. NOW

And I suppose there are millions of things to think
about...but you have to stand on your own two feet
and someday, it is all over; is that enough to think
about?

And anyways, maybe you shouldn't even listen to me because
I am really a mundane, possibly even boring, guy...
however I just felt like answering your question, and
I am telling you that Kundalini awakening is a wonderful
wonderful gift beyond all description and I send my love
and thanks to the one who made it happen.

          ---Paco



Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: where to next?

Paco
Thank you for sharing your experience.  You informed me of things that I
already new.  It was so nice to hear from someone  who has experienced  and
validated my point of  understanding.  The process is so simple, just become
who you are>  simple but definitely not easy. Your note served as a point of
validation that I am indeed on the right track.  I know that the process is
ongoing and the path forever unfolding.  When I was first awakened, I was
given 3 rules from my spirit guides to assist me in this process.  The first
was to trust in the process no matter what.  The second was to go through the
pain.  At that time I was happy joyous and free  without any pain.  The third
rule was to not reflect.  This rule was important for me at the time because
each time I shared my experiences I got negative feedback from my kith and
kin and the process would become more difficult.  Today, some 3 years after
my first K experiences  I have been able to connect with a few people who are
supportive and accepting of my new awareness.  But it took me a long time to
connect with people who understood.  Today I know what areas I need to work
on or rather what areas I need to accept rather than fight for they are
placed before me to further my growth.  I need to accept where and who I am
at any given point before I can move on.  Any resistance to the process
creates pain.  I feel that a great part of myself is lost but a greater part
is found.  The more I lose myself in this process the more I find myself
awakened to the greater picture.  By trusting in my intuition rather than in
old patterns of behavior, I move forward.   The K experience has given me the
opportunity to unlearn everything I thought I knew and embrace the me that I
am now becoming.   I continue to this day to suffer but at least I know why
and I can do something about it.  Thank you for sharing your experience.  I
wish I had someone in my life to assist me in this process the way you have
had but I guess I am not open enough to receive such a person.  When the
student is ready the teacher will appear.  Today I will be available for all
of that which the universe is ready to teach me.  I will not hold tight or
attach to any one experience but allow it to flow through me in preparation
for the greater picture which is always emerging.  If I feel the need to
fight, I will fight for a cause and never against the opposition for indeed
there is no opposition except for that which I create.    And the battle is
won because it never began.  Love and light      Jean


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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Overlords

Are you still out there? If so please post to me. Royale



Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: God

ToGloria:  You seem to use the word God so much. Perhaps  you could tell
us just what you conceptualize that word means? I know so many people
who all have different ideas about it and it seems almost a subjective
term.  Thanks Royale



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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 

Subject: Re: Words

At 01:09 AM 9/21/96 -0600, Rondi wrote in response to my hearing the words
"toyez barechtu":
>>Be carefull, don't know why, but this word  barectoo  scares me...Don't
>>know why, I see men dressed all in black with shiney ribbons , maybe
>>chanting this...This message has been very hard to write, I have had to
>>retype almost every word..Rondi

To which Lia replied:
>this sounds alot like some of the experiences i've had as well as what i
>read in Whitley Strieber's book "Breakthrough". Now it all may sound a bit
>farfetched, but i saw many of his experiences with "visitors" and what they
>were/are doing to him and others as very kundalini related (work on the
>spine, buzzing in the head or in the left side of the body etc etc)
 
I find it interesting that on a list for Kundalini which would be considered
"farfetched" by the mainstream public, that the subject of UFO and ETs would
be considered farfetched by its subscribers.

I am a strong believer in UFOs and extraterrestrials and in fact, found my
way to this list through my research of those subjects.  (Streiber's book is
excellent, by the way.)

Has anyone else on this list experienced anything connected to UFO and the
like?  For everyone out there who has gotten in touch with guides and
spirits, has anyone gotten in contact with one who claims to be
extraterrestrial?

I have always believed that the two subjects are intimately related, I just
working on the connection between them.  I believe that abductions,
kundalini awakenings, near death experiences (and others) are all just
different paths to the same goal -- the evolution of the species to a higher
level.  In many cases, abductions lead to spiritual awakenings and expanded
awareness.

I am very interested in hearing any comments on this subject.  Even in a
forum as open minded as this, I'm sure there are some here who would feel a
bit self-conscious talking of such things.  Private e-mails are welcome.

Sorry to go on about this.  UFOs and abductions seem to be the only subjects
that I feel strong enough to get angry about when they are not taken
seriously.  (Not that anyone here has done that.) Therefore I apologize if
the tone of this post if a bit stronger than usual.  I am used to being on
the defensive on this subject.

Again I look forward to any and all comments.
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In love and light,





Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: haakonuATNOSPAMtelepost.no (Haakon Rian Ueland)
Subject: Intro and outtro?
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Hello all.

Some of you might know me - I started the original Kundalini-l some time
ago. If you want to know who I am look at KRC-s Webpage - address at the
bottom of this.

As you see, I wrote "intro and _outtro?_" as subject. Why?

Two reasons:
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- 75% of the posts here seems to be totally irrellevant to K. And, yes,
I've been lurking a while: the argument that "Everything relates to
K.awakenings" doesn't hold water. What is the point in having a K-list
then? Everybody could just subscribe to one list, discussing everything...
- When you answer a mail of several pages, you don't quote the whole thing
and say "me too!!!". It is _REALLY BAD_ netiquette, waste of bandwidth and
unneccessary (sp?). Remove as much of the original message as possible.

I'll stay one more week. Why not try to think of what I've said?
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Best
Haakon

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: No Pluralistic Morality
-
>
>** No Pluralistic Morality *
>
>Dave said:
>
>>People DO have a right to say: "We have formed a community of
>believers. If anyone wants acceptance into our community, then they
>must follow our customs and usages of religion, as well as
>morality."
>...........
>Dave, you're entitled to have whatever stance and perspective you want on
>religion, morality, anything for that matter. You have just shared your 
>..........
>.  I'm merely curious, what makes you so 
>sanctimonious 
>as to assume that God JUDGES anything once, twice or ever?  
>
>Sue  

What does all this have to do with Kundalini?  I am about to unsubscribe if
this philosophical/
ethical/moral/religious dialog dosn't move off the list.  PLEASE!! I joined
this list to learn
about kundalini, people's experiences with it, and, perhaps, how to develop
it in myself.
---Bob
A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
pleasure.  He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
-                          ---Nichiren Daishonin



Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Loved Ones Who "Don't Get It"                           

>
>>
>>...The karma period 
>>in my life is actually gone?? I feel so different...
>> 
>>Thanks - you and others here are helping me a lot!
>>Melody
>
>Dear Melody,
>No, I'm happy to say, your "karma period" is not gone!  
>Karma is the 'baggage' we carry, both "good" and "bad,"
>as a result of the causes we have made, in this incarnation
>as well as previous ones.  We must not throw the baby 
>out with the bathwater.
>
>There is a Buddhist principle called Tenju-kyoju, which
>means turning a heavy karma into a lighter one.  This
>is done through the buddhist practice of chanting
>nam-myoho-renge-kyo, which awakens one's Buddha
>nature within.
>
>Renge (lotus blossum) grows from the muddy swamp
>to bloom into a beautiful flower.  The muddy swamp
>is our negative karma; this is the fuel for our spiritual
>advancement/enlightenment (the flower blossum).
>
>Did my other msg. get to you?  I'm not sure whether
>it got sent e-mail to you or posted to the list.  I'm new
>to the list, so I would like to know if I'm getting through
>or not.
>
>Best wishes,
>Bob
>
>
A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
pleasure.  He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
                          ---Nichiren Daishonin



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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Words


Thank you for bringing up this important subject.  I have felt uncomfortable
talking about some of my K experiences but feel  that my sharing at this
point is important. It has been my experience that the UFO phenonmen is
directly related to my K  awakening.  I would like to share one experience
with the group.  Approximately 
11/2 years into my first K experience I was visited by 3 beings.  It happened
during the night while I was in a state of what I term lucid dreaming.  This
experience was and is as as real to me as my awakened state is at this
moment.  For 3 consecutive nights, I was visited by these 3 beings.  I felt
their presence and heard there voices.  I did not actually see them.  I felt
the love they had for me and I experienced no fear.  They did some work on
the right side of my head.  I heard a drilling sound and felt some type of
surgical equipment adjusting  the interior of my head.  They called me by
name and were very concerned about my comfort and well being as they carried
out their procedure.  I knew I was loved and there was nothing to fear.  I
accepted and embraced their presence.  I experienced no pain during the
procedure but did feel different, more spiritually connected and balanced
after each visit.   The morning after their 3rd visit I was walking outside
when I noticed a  small "crop circle"  in the weeded area on the left side of
my Home.   I felt love radiating from my inner being.  I felt the presence of
these loving beings and can recreate that same feeling today.  It has stayed
with me and served as a comfort to me.  I know I am not alone in this
process.  I am loved, protected and carefully guided through this most
miraculas and awesome evolution.   I do not know if they were ET's, spirit
guides or my overactive imagination but at this point it doesn't matter.  The
Universe works with me and through me and all I need do is to TRUST IN THE
PROCESS.  and today I do just that.  I am not sure just what reality is.  For
me it changes on a daily basis so I seek not for a dried understanding of
these type of events lest I lose the fluidity of each passing moment.  Today
I try not to slow  down the process by attaching  to any one thing but
instead to remain open to the flow of each and every greater picture that is
continually  emerging.  I have a rule of thumb that works for me.  When ever
I feel a spiritual intervention about me, I always bid it welcome,  "If it
comes in love."  Then I state, "If you have not come in love,  then you must
leave now."   This helps me to trust in all  that is available to me and
allows me to embrace the flow.    I hope my sharing this experience has been
helpful.  I know it has helped me.  Thank You

 Love
and light
 Jean



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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: redormanATNOSPAMplix.com (Dorman, Robert )
Subject: Re: Traditional Values or None?


Dear Gloria,
What in the blazws does this have to do with Kundalini? Yes, everything is
one and connected,
but let's not waste time&space on the K list for this discussion, OK?
--Bob
A truly wise man will not be carried away by any of the eight winds:
prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering and
pleasure.  He is neither elated by prosperity nor grieved by decline.
                          ---Nichiren Daishonin



Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: No Pluralistic Morality

On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, davelong wrote:

> 
> There is a difference between the customs and usages of religion,
> and morality. Non-believers aren't obligated to follow religious
> ... Everyone is obligated to follow God's Law concerning
> morality.
> 
-
Speak for yourself.

God will deal with me when I get to him.  Can you stop pushing your own 
interpretation of morality?

Mac



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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 

Subject: UFO and K (Re: Words)

Thank you Jean for your post.  

For years the abduction and encounter phenomenon has been filled with
horrific stories told by victims.  Those who were brave enough to tell their
tale were met with ridicule, anger, or pity.
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>From what I have read of kundalini, one is supposed to "go with the flow".
As Jean said, to trust in the process.  One is also supposed to project
unconditional love to all things.  If one uses their awakening for selfish
or "evil" purposes, those bad intentions come back to haunt him.

I would suggest that the encounter phenomenon acts in much the same way.
When one gives in to the process in stead of fighting it, the result is a
very positive one.  

My opinion has always been that abductions, spiritual awakenings, and near
death experiences (among others) are all different paths to the same goal --
that of an evolution of self and the species to a higher level.

Most abduction cases when they have been researched out by the participant,
result in an increased spiritual awareness similar to a k awakening.

Attitude seems to be everything in these processes.  What you project is
reflected back to you.

I will state that I believe in extraterrestrials and I believe them to be as
much God's creatures as we humans are.  I also have no doubt that they have
their own agenda when dealing with humans.  While their short term goals may
look harmful (like that of genetic manipulation), their long term goals as
the same as ours -- to grow, evolve, and become the perfect integrated being
that we (and they) are.

I realize that this subject is not looked upon favorably.  I ask all of you
to look at yourselves.  You subscribe to a list that is considered "new
age", strange, occult, weird and/or crazy by the mainstream public.  Yet
discussions can be held on such "fringe" without resorting to name calling
and ridicule (most of the time anyway...).  

I suggest that before you judge Jean or anyone else with similar experiences
that you listen to what they have to say and see the effects of their
encounters, both positive and negative.  It is no different than you going
to "the average joe" and start discussing a kundalini awakening.  You know
that awakening is real and that it exists.  For abductees, the encounters
are real and the entities exist.  There is no difference.  Obviously some
people will never believe something until it happens to them.  But my hope
is that if this subject comes up, and not just on this list, that the people
involved are dealt with love and understanding by all parties.

I apologize for the length of this post, for I know I can go on about this
subject for hours.  This is, however, an important subject.  Perhaps this is
not the correct venue for these discussions however, so I will not add to
the clutter of posts straying from the core subject.

As always, private replies (and others) are welcome.

Thank you all for taking the time to indulge me in this post.


In Love and Light,


srimpiciATNOSPAMserver6.wcii.com



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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: words


Kenneth Ring who wrote Heading Toward Omega---it was a study of NDE's (near
death experiences) that also mentions kundalini---did a lot of further
research on the incidence of people with NDE's and thus presumably k and
their experiences with UFO's. I'd have researched it on Amazon.com but they
are totally busy now...you may wish to look him up, unless of course you are
already familiar with him.

Best, Patti