kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 157 

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Dan: Intolerance as evil                                

At 10:37 PM 9/21/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Dan,
>     Have you ever considered the idea that in the process of opening 
>up to Kundalini energy, that your altering state of consciousness may 
>be directionless and be exposing your Self to coarser demonic realms 
>of energy? (Thus, these feelings of meanness?) 

yes but i think you are completely off-track, and here's my thesis  as
to why i think this is so (long):

hey, i'm a gemini. i consider all possibilities in a fraction of a second.
directionless? hmmm theres an interesting concept, how does it work? i mean,
based on the assumption we are all moving forward to "someplace", which is,
in fact, true, then that therefore means we are "moving", and "forward"
suggests at least a partially linear (or non-linear) line of direction.
Direction needent be linear, which seems to be the misconception a lot of
people make.

its like what all the books and things say: we all go through different
things, we are all going towards the next level of evolution or
conciousness. just because some people are moving "faster" than others
doesnt mean they'll get there any sooner, or any later.
-
as for the demonic stuff. i realized one of the factors of my confused state
was that i had opened my conciousness outward, as far as the "shutter" will
open  i expanded past the universe a while back. theres a problem with
this though, you lose track of yourself and your connection, and the meaning
of here and now. you also lose track of "good" and "evil". this also brings
some questions of "meaninglessness" of humanity and such. its things I am
pondering these days.

i have come to understand, at my present scope of the multiverse, that
humanity is but a grain of sand on the beach which we call reality. and that
good and evil are terms that man has created, or at least, only apply to our
overly-dense reality "here and now" as it were.

there are "light" entities, and "dark" entities. say for example, some refer
to them as the lords of light and darkness. these beings do NOT give out any
sense of forboding, good, or evil, or "holy presence" as it were. they are
simply "light" and "dark".

>     Isn't it true that a specific frequency would determine the nature 
>and "direction" of any psychic opening to Pure Consciousness? The new 
>holographic theory of the brain is a picture of a brain redolent with 
>diverse and commingled energies. How do you know what direction your 
>psychic opening is taking? Are you able to direct it to higher realms, 
>rather than lower realms?

thats like saying: "in space, which way is UP?"  your thinking is too
linear. you are ensnared in three-dimensional thoughts which do not apply to
the universe. as for the vibration, i think this is also a mistake. there
are probably several frequencies, maybe hundreds, maybe more. maybe less.
-
the way you know your direction is by "guy instinct". you are asking,
bascially, and generally "how ANY of us knows what direction we're going
in?", well my dear, you must use your internal compass, and/or gyroscope. it
is quite possible for one to think they are going forward, when they are
not. however, that is a function of ego.

it is up to the people around the person who thinks they are going forward
to do what I call "reality checks" and make sure that persons progress is
what it seems, and they are not deluding themselves. however, since ego is a
function of this, the person usually disregards anything they are told
anyhow, and thus break or change their "fated" destiny, turn off the road,
as it were. I myself do constant "reality checks" on myself, examining
everything, with rationality so fine, to the point of hair-splitting.
usually however, the answers are not available, so we must "make a guess",
trust our instincts. "does the water look ok, is it deep enough?"... :)

and theres another consideration. for each of us, as an example, if we see
someone "going off the road", i mean, several people close to the person
realize they are making a "terrible mistake". there is another serious
consideration... each person must choose their own path. you could tell them
until you are blue in the face, but, as again, since ego is involved, they
will likely not change. and, besides, it is their destiny they are choosing,
and that is very very important in "true spirituality".

>     Any frequency shift may be toward higher or lower planes in the 
>spectrum of consciousness.
>     Isn't it entirely possible that you and Dr. Kason could be 
>confusing a lower level chakra with a higher one?

well Melody, what the heck does Dr. Kason have to do with any of this?
You've REALLY confused me there.  I've only seen her
twice. and not discussed anything I've posted or read on the list.

You see, when I see her, I have more important things to concentrate on, the
kundalini process itself, which she is quite expert at. as for the rest, my
personal feelings are they are too far beyond her comprehension to handle.
besides theres too much too often to adequitely cover in a session. or even
three. :)

and further more, what do chakra's have to do with this? that paragraph
makes no sense at all in reference to my posts. i'm really confused about
your post.

if you are just trying to understand then i'm sorry i'm being so hard on
you, but i'm trying in my own way to get you to open that camera shutter of
yours a wee bit wider. focus and perspective is important.

on a lighter note:

but, when all is said and done, you're on your own. its your choice. the
path you choose must be your own, and you must believe in it, that it will
(and is) taking you forward to where you want to go, and be, and do, and
see. so to answer your questions, my answer is a non-answer. take it one day
at a time, go with the flow, or fight it, the choice is yours. either way,
you'll get there. 

ok, now if you're still there, here's another additional thing for you to
think about, and probably the correct (real) answer (don't you hate it when
people do that?):
-
there was some information given to me sometime recently, referring to
October and what's happening. I thought I'd share this, and see how it goes:
apparantly, october is the time of the shadows. this is not a dark time as
in "evil" its more like, if i remember correctly, a time to rejoice in our
shadows. a comingling. and in embracing our other halves, we will grow, and
more. well something like that anyhow. my memory is rather bad right now.
but i hope this helps. i'm still confused.
Dan.
There are always possibilities...
-


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 
From: Sherry Tapke 
Subject: Elephant Fable

Jan wrote:
Perhaps we are like that too, seeing only one part of a bigger reality. 
Maybe we should be trying to piece together a larger whole out of our 
shared experiences rather than trying to explain our own.

Sherry here:
I agree totally. What I find truly amazing about the elephant story is
that each person had an entirely different experience and an entirely
different belief of the elephant -- and each one was right. The only way
we're ever going to really know this elephant is by sharing our
experiences and beliefs and accepting as truth everyone elses totally
opposite experiences and beliefs.
-- 
In Service to the Light,
I AM Sherry
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1616



Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: good and evil

MY truth on good and evil:

Good people, corporations, groups, etc. -  have feelings of love and respect
TOWARD SELF, and ACT OUT those inner beliefs in their physical world

Evil people, corporations, groups, etc. -  have feelings of worthlessness,
undeservingness, hatred TOWARD SELF, and ACT OUT those inner beliefs in their
physical world

To change what you perceive as evil in your/our world, send feelings of
unconditional love, for that is what those people, groups, etc. need the
most.  (Yes, I'm talking murderers, rapists, druggies, mafia, gangs,
power/control/money greedy corporations, groups, etc. etc., you get the idea)

Am I saying to do nothing but send love?  No, absolutely not.  But do
whatever you do to help WITH LOVE.  Stay out of the
fight/struggle/battle/wrong mode as that fuels the fire.  Love, when applied
persistently and consistently melts even the hardest of hearts.  And that is
where transformation can occur - when the old beliefs of self have been
melted down and replaced with truth, which is unconditional love. THEN, the
individual or group has new inner beliefs to ACT OUT.

This is also true with parts of yourself that you are not in acceptance of -
send love to those aspects of self everyday and see what happens!
 TRANSFORMATION....(don't do it just once and expect this miracle -
consistent persistence.  You have years and years of habitually thinking of
yourself in certain terms; it will take a bit to change the habit)

I promise that if you TRULY send feelings of LOVE to those aspects of self
that you find unacceptable (and not just go through the motions), you will
see a huge difference in just 30 days - not that you will be done yet, but
there will be a big difference in how you feel and act.

Well, thanks for listening.  Gotta go get ready for my vacation - leaving
this afternoon, and still so much to do!  Catch up with you all in a week or
so!

LAUGH, PLAY, HAVE FUN (-:!

LOVE TO ALL,  Barb
-


Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re Good and Evil

Barb had a very good suggestion, when she said we need to love those negative
parts of ourselves.  Negativities that we want to get rid of, are only parts
of ourselves, that lack enough love and light at the moment.
-
In my own journey to wholeness, I found it was often necessary to be my own
mother and father, and nurture and love all the parts of me that got left
behind in their development at various parts of my life.Because I came from a
dysfunctional home, they were numerous.

But I have found that any time I feel unloved at any level of my being, I
need to go in there and give myself a hug.  Often , those unloved parts are
parts of my body.  The body is a living entity and is the vehicle our spirits
use to get around in this world.  If the body feels unloved it will not
cooperate, and can get downright nasty to get our attention.  Illness is one
way, and selfish thoughts etc are another way.  So one of the lessons I had
to learn is that we are body/soul/spirit, and the body deserves as much
respect as the rest of me.

Spirit needs to be in control of the vehicle it occupies, but it must do so
in love, not by being a harsh tyrant.  The parable in the Bible about putting
new wine into new bottles is apt here.  Spirit bubbles with newness and
enthusiasm, but the body often is stuck in old ways of thinking and
remembering.  So we must renew our body through loving it so it wants to
transform itself into the love it feel from our spirits.

Then when we know our shadow side and have transformed it in love and light,
we are truly beyond dualities, because the darkness has been flooded with
light/love and made conscious.

To get rid of darkness, don't switch off the light, instead increase the
light until the darkness is no more.

Love Jule
-


Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: good and evil

Barb, this post really helped me. I had a major setback last night. My 
abusive boyfriend tried to get back together with me and we made a date 
to discuss things, and he stood me up. I got all prettied-up and sat 
there for 2&1/2 hours, waiting. (pitiful picture, isn't it?) I then 
dreamt all night about an ugly two-headed monster. 

Have a great vacation, and THANK YOU for your wise parting words.
Melody

WA>Good people, corporations, groups, etc. -  have feelings of love and respect
  >TOWARD SELF, and ACT OUT those inner beliefs in their physical world

WA>Evil people, corporations, groups, etc. -  have feelings of worthlessness,
-  >undeservingness, hatred TOWARD SELF, and ACT OUT those inner beliefs in thei
  >physical world

WA>To change what you perceive as evil in your/our world, send feelings of
  >unconditional love, for that is what those people, groups, etc. need the
  >most.  (Yes, I'm talking murderers, rapists, druggies, mafia, gangs,
  >power/control/money greedy corporations, groups, etc. etc., you get the idea

WA>Am I saying to do nothing but send love?  No, absolutely not.  But do
  >whatever you do to help WITH LOVE.  Stay out of the
-  >fight/struggle/battle/wrong mode as that fuels the fire.  Love, when applied
  >persistently and consistently melts even the hardest of hearts.  And that is
  >where transformation can occur - when the old beliefs of self have been
  >melted down and replaced with truth, which is unconditional love. THEN, the
  >individual or group has new inner beliefs to ACT OUT.

WA>This is also true with parts of yourself that you are not in acceptance of -
  >send love to those aspects of self everyday and see what happens!
  > TRANSFORMATION....(don't do it just once and expect this miracle -
  >consistent persistence.  You have years and years of habitually thinking of
-  >yourself in certain terms; it will take a bit to change the habit)

WA>I promise that if you TRULY send feelings of LOVE to those aspects of self
  >that you find unacceptable (and not just go through the motions), you will
  >see a huge difference in just 30 days - not that you will be done yet, but
  >there will be a big difference in how you feel and act.

WA>Well, thanks for listening.  Gotta go get ready for my vacation - leaving
  >this afternoon, and still so much to do!  Catch up with you all in a week or
  >so!
-
WA>LAUGH, PLAY, HAVE FUN (-:!

WA>LOVE TO ALL,  Barb

 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Move every stone, try everything, leave nothing unattempted.



Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re Good and Evil

-> Then when we know our shadow side and have transformed it in love and light,
-> we are truly beyond dualities, because the darkness has been flooded with
-> light/love and made conscious.

Jule, I wonder if my nightmare about an ugly two-headed person was
about my shadow side? 
Melody
-


Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: good and evil

At 06:05 PM 9/22/96 GMT, Melody Gavigan wrote:
>Barb, this post really helped me. I had a major setback last night. My 
>abusive boyfriend tried to get back together with me and we made a date 
>to discuss things, and he stood me up. I got all prettied-up and sat 
>there for 2&1/2 hours, waiting. (pitiful picture, isn't it?) I then 
>dreamt all night about an ugly two-headed monster. 
>

Melody,

Caroly Myss had a great technique for dealing with this that she tells about
in her tape series Energy Anatomy.  She says to say and think and feel about
the person  "Thank you for loving me [so insufficently] that I [must] choose
to move on. Goodbye."

Don't ya love it?

M



Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: good and evil

CN>Caroly Myss had a great technique for dealing with this that she tells about
  >in her tape series Energy Anatomy.  She says to say and think and feel about
  >the person  "Thank you for loving me  that I  choose
  >to move on. Goodbye."

CN>Don't ya love it?

Mary, that's GREAT! But how can any person ever love us sufficiently?
My codependent nature tells me I can love this person enough; I have
enough love for both of us. (I'd have to be on my knees all day and 
night to keep the spirit flowing THAT much)!

Melody

 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Other people are mirrors. - Dorothy Corkille Briggs