kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 154
1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: Natha Bhaktyananda
Subject: Re: Kundalini, of course!
dfisherATNOSPAMspectra.net wrote:
>
> Hi Natha--greetings to you in Denmark!
>
> I am writing because you have piqued my interest with your post to
> Kundalini-L. (etc.)---------------------------------
Dear Dave,
Your experience is typically etheric (2nd body), with a tint of astral
projection (3rd body). The etheric element is connected with the sensation of
zillions of volts buzzing through your structure; usually it can be *very*
unpleasant or frightening, especially for beginners. The astral element is
revealed by your capacity to manifest in various dreamscapes, etc.
While these phenomena can be very spectacular, and even lead to some paranormal
accomplishments (healing, exorcism, prophecy, etc.), they can be a great
temptation and *waste of time* when one searches for Liberation (Enlightenment).
They are mostly useful for enhancing your faith and spiritual commitement, by
eloquently proving to you that there is "more between Heaven and Earth" than
the eye can catch. One of my old masters used to say that where in the physical
world there is *one* possiblity to be deluded by illusion, in the astral world
there are *a hundred*, since this (astral) world is so plastic, vast,
polymorphic -- the very epitome of maya or the universal illusion.
You can read books of people who were able to practise this out-of-the-body
projection and notice that they have merely spent all their lives wandering
wildly though endless dreamscapes, but that beyond the excitement and some
minor advantages this has not brought most of them closer to the Goal. Instead
of exploring the earthly illusion, they have used their time exploring the
astral illusion, which is so much more thrilling and catching. What you need is
a *vertical* exploration, not a horizontal one! For this, it is important to
learn how to "shift frequency" upward during your dreams, with the use of a
mantra for example (or other spiritual techniques, such as meditation). It is
also very important to decide before falling asleep what exactly you will do
when you will become conscious during your sleep/dreams, and to program your
subconscious mind not to lose time on trite wandering.
If you feel need for specific details, do not hesitate to contact me,
Spiritually yours, with blessing,
--
Natha Bhaktyananda
Kbmagergade 28, 2., 1150 K
Denmark
Tf.: (45) 33930858, Fax: (45) 33930668
2 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96
From: Tim Seewald
Subject: RE: Increased Righteousness
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Mary,
As we evolve spiritually, we become more aware of the illusion and folly
that most people manifest. "Good" and "bad" are just a viewpoint because all
things further one in this life. As our awareness of folly in others
increases, so does our awareness of it in ourselves and this is why
_detachment_ and _balance_ are so important. When we view all the folly
with detachment is when we _see_ that all things are learning experiences
and choose to give others freedom and space to be whatever they want to
be at the time.
When challenged in this fashion, I detach and ask myself:
1) Is this something I can or should participate in?
If I choose not to participate, the matter has ended.
If I get involved, I _must_ ask myself "why". Does some aspect of
this folly resonate within me? Or, is this actually an _opportunity_
to manifest from the Higher Self? Or both?
2) Is this something that's being _forced_ on me?
If yes, then I ask myself what I need to learn.
If no, go to question one.
Oh my! This reply smacks of righteousness itself! Please don't judge me
too harshly... 8-)
Warm Regards,
Tim
--- On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Mary Knapp wrote:
>
>Has anyone else noticed that as a result of K your streak of righteousness
>has increased. Mine has, and I don't like it.
>
>Yvonne Kason reports in her book, A Farther Shore, that people who have had
>STE's - spiritually transformative experiences - begin to have stronger
>ethical convictions. This sounds great, and it is, but in actuality it also
>can lead to a lack of tolerance. (Throwing over the money changers tables
>out side of the temple type stuff.) I am still fairly peaceful but don't
>like this growing streak of righteousness in me. I never liked it in others
>and now, low and behold, I seem to have it too. I don't display it much,
>but people who used to seem garden variety nuerotic to me now seem downright
>unethical and I am often tempted to let them know that they are. Not fun.
>
>Any thoughts? Experiences to report? Anybody think it's just a stage we go
>through?
>
> Mary,
> The Reluctant Earthling
3 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com
Subject: writing?
Dan,
you mentioned about your writing becoming horrible, and your typing
speed coming down. When i am extremely full of energy, i have trouble
reading, and writing. i can't seem to remember how to spell, or what
letters are. thankfully i have been learning to ride it out, and not
fight it, so this passes very quickly. i think being judgemental or
rational slowed things down for me once or twice. Also, this seemed to
occur when going from one power level to another.
have fun
john
reikiATNOSPAMhhs.net
4 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com
Subject: Increased Righteousness
Mary,
i too understand the ethical improvement brought about by k. i feel
at times that the most ethical people i am around are nothing but fakes
because they are motivated by external rules, like the ten commandments,
bible, etc. i seem to find that i internally follow those guidlines
without considering if i am allowed to do this or not.
your right. about being judgemental about others. i feel that this is
something we have to work through in order to evolve.
john
reikiATNOSPAMhhs.net
5 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
Subject: weird words
OK folks, here's a strange one for you....
Does anyone know the significance (if there is one) of the words
TOYEZ BARECHTU?
(It sounds like toy-yez behr-ekt-too with a slightly germanic or slavic ring
to it.)
This is going to bug me for quite a while. As always I appreciate whatever
help and information you can give.
Thanks again.
In Love and Light,
6 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96
From: Richard Satin
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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From: Dave Long \ Internet: (davelongATNOSPAMconcentric.net)
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
One night, I died, went to heaven, and saw God.
There is nothing easier to do in all the world.
- One's given a "Summons to Appear" and one goes.
All that's required of one is to but surrender.
The Path is like a dream of falling.
The Inward Plunge allows for no grasping,
And is facilitated by surrendering.
In the surrender is discovered:
There is no falling, only soaring.
The heart is reached, and love is found.
- The throat is reached, and ecstasy's found.
The forehead is reached, and bliss is found.
***** *****
* *
* *
* *** **** *** *
* * * * * *
* * * * * *
***** **** *****
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is a formless, shoreless Ocean
of blissful, conscious, loving
Light.
[The palindrome Name of God is copyright by the author.]
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Time is nature's way of preventing everything from
happening at once.
Graffiti
7 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96
From: Richard Satin
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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From: LINLEY ANTHONY JULIUS \ Internet: (ljuliusATNOSPAMcorp2.mck.za.co)
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
SINCE READING A NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF LITERATURE ON YOGA,METAPHYSICS,TAI-CHI
CHUAN AS WELL AS KUNDALINI ETC. I HAVE EXPRESSED A SINCERE DESIRE TO LEARN
KUNDALINI YOGA. HOWEVER I NEED TO KNOW IF THEIR ARE ANY QUALIFIED TEACHERS
LIVING IN SOUTH AFRICA WITH WHOM I COULD STUDY. IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT
SUCH A TEACHER, PLEASE I WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL FOR THE INFORMATION. MANY
THANKS LINLEY.
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Time is nature's way of preventing everything from
happening at once.
Graffiti
8 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com
Subject: ...Words of wisdom...
DESIDERATA
GO PLACIDLY AMID THE NOISE & HASTE & REMEMBER WHAT PEACE
THERE MAY BE IN SILENCE. AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, without surrender, be on
good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly & clearly; and
listen to others, even the dull & ignorant; they to have their story.
Avoid loud & aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you
compare yourself with others, you may become vain & bitter; foe always
there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your
achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career,
however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery; but let this not blind you to what virtue there is; Many persons
strive for high ideals; And everywhere life is full of heroism. Be
yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about
love; for in the face of all aridity & disenchantment, it is as perennial as
the grass. Take kindly the council of the years, gracefully surrendering
the things of youth. Nurture strenth of spirit to shield you in sudden
misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imagining's. Many fears
are born of fatigue & loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be
gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the
trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is
clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore,
be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever
your labors & aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace with
your soul. With all its sham, drudgery & broken dreams, it is still a
beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.
[ Found in Old Saint Pauls Church, Baltimore; Dated 1692 ]
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CHILDREN of the UNIVERSE, ...Nannu
9 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: "Rondi McBoyer"
Subject: Words
Be carefull, don't know why, but this word barectoo scares me...Don't
know why, I see men dressed all in black with shiney ribbons , maybe
chanting this...This message has been very hard to write, I have had to
retype almost every word..Rondi
10 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: Dan Gahlinger
Subject: Re: Words
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At 01:11 PM 9/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Be carefull, don't know why, but this word barectoo scares me...Don't
>know why, I see men dressed all in black with shiney ribbons , maybe
>chanting this...This message has been very hard to write, I have had to
>retype almost every word..Rondi
who was that message meant for??
Dan.
there are always possibilities...
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11 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
Subject: Re: Words
At 01:11 PM 9/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Be carefull, don't know why, but this word barectoo scares me...Don't
>know why, I see men dressed all in black with shiney ribbons , maybe
>chanting this...This message has been very hard to write, I have had to
>retype almost every word..Rondi
>
I appreciate your thoughts on this very much.
I never actually said where I got these words from. What happened was this....
When taking the train home yesterday, I read a book. I noticed that these
words were spoken "Toyez Barechtu". I thought at first it came from the
loud speaker, but quickly realized it didn't. I also got the sense that the
words had been repeated a few times until I actually registered the fact
that I heard them.
In hoping to put a positive spin on this, I went to the bookstore and combed
through a few language dictionaries.
The closest thing I can find was in German (although I wanted to check
Russian and Hebrew but I can't read them). Although it is not grammatically
correct, here is what I got.
Toyez -- teuer (pronounced toy-er) means precious or beloved
Berechtu -- I separated this into two words
Bericht - means a report or statement
Du - means you
Perhaps it means I am to report something precious?
Breaking it down other ways, Echt means genuine; Berecht- a prefix of sorts
which means authorization; Recht means right.
I'm still very unsure of what to make of this. I realize this is probably
more than you all wanted to know, and I apologize for that. I did not get a
sense of any malice associated with the statement, nor did I feel anything
negative (or positive for that matter) directed at me personally. The
"voice" which spoke these words was of a booming baritone type, although the
words were not spoken loudly. I do know that it was not someone in the
train saying this, and I also know now that the words were heard in my mind
and not with my ears.
Again I apologize for the rambling nature of this post. I would still
appreciate any and all comments on this including if someone else has had a
similar experience.
Thank you all again.
In Love and Light,
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12 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: Karol Ann Barnett
Subject: Re: Words
Fascinating! those words that you heard tell me that someone was
sending YOU a message or statement of love. How wonderful!
And that you broke them down to discover the root words -- incredible.
I've been doing that even since my K awakened. Now I wonder if this is
yet another gift of the K, of needing to understand the real meaning of
something.
Karol Ann
***
Said Caliban to Merlin, "If you want the gods to go with you,
you must put yourself in their way."
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13 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996
From: traveler
Subject: Re: Words
On the subject of words, when I made the decicion to leave my career on
wall street, I asked my pendulum where I was to go or do. !ATNOSPAM#$% (This was a
pretty drama-filled moment for me). It said "kundalini een." I was shocked.
What did "een" mean? I looked it up, it was the old english form of the word
for "eyes". I have always wondered about "kundalini eyes".
As a writer, I see the world through a certain lens. Could that be it?
Or is it the obsession with the third eye that we often seem to have? Or is
it the image of the seeing eye that I use over and over in my fairy tale?
Or is it the name Ian, that I have now made an important aspect of what I do?
Patti
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14 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996
From: traveler
Subject: State of grace.
I thought this was worth reposting to the list.--Patti
->
> Eyes of unconditional love and acceptance.
>I sent this to Dan, but I thought I'd repost to you. Enjoy.
>
>> I am new on this list, I have not figured out how to post things and I do
>not know the book you are speaking of, but I would like to relate my own
>experience.
>>Perhaps you may find it useful. Repost if you like.
>>
>> As you become more open and aware, you become more sensitive to other
>people's stuff, places where they need to evolve thier ethics.
>> The stuff that sets you off the most, of course, is the stuff that
>mirrors places where you are making ethical choices of your own, or have
>made choices, and you are being reminded of what is true for you.
>> If you focus on the idea that you cannot recognize something in another
>if you do not possess that quality for yourself, you will find that you draw
>the lesson out of the experience much more quickly. Get the lesson, clear
>the negative feelings.
>> Feel the K rush! That is what all these mirror people are around you for.
>> Give them love and acceptance, (not necessarily approval) to thank them
>for the lesson. Set aside your need to change them.
>>They are who they are, to help you choose who you want to be. You are the
>one you can change. Change yourself, and provide them with a model of a
>better way to be.
>>
>> Don't get upset if they choose not to follow. To each their own path.
>>But if you give them some love-energy, you can sometimes bring them up to
>your space for a moment of insight. Negative behavior usually stems from
>lack of self-love, places where the energy is blocked create hollow spots,
>where the individual feels unsupported by the universe, undeserving of being
>better.
>> Fill in your own hollow places, that they help you to see, then you will
>know the places where they need love.
>>
>> Focusing on the mirror takes you out of your ego reaction (Holier than
>thou) into a spiritual unity space/ sense of oneness. You are a
>manifestation of me and we are one.
>>The negative energy I give you will harm me.
>> Try it, I found it helps.
>> Ta for now-M.A.S.
>>
>
>
15 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Increased Righteousness
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Subject: Re: Increased Righteousness
Mary,
I really enjoy your posts. I think that as one progresses along
the path of awareness, that areas having to do with moral
responsibility awaken also. Maybe you are interpreting this new
feeling of moral responsibility as a negative characteristic
("righteousness"). It would be the same as having stronger "ethical
convictions."
- My own experience on my path has recently shown me how important
"rigorous honesty" is. I made a fatal mistake of not showing the real
me *early on* in a relationship - out of fear. But I didn't know better
and I was just activating defense mechanisms. Now I know better!
Another recent expansion in my morality as a result of my
spiritual path is a decision not to have sex with someone unless we are
engaged and/or married and/or deeply committed. I used to think that
this was a prudish attitude, but after having the experience of sharing
the intense flow of Kundalini during intercourse with a man who was not
emotionally committed to me and who "dumped" me, I have changed my
morality. Do not cast your pearls to the swine.
Wishing you much increase of wisdom on your path,
Melody
CN>Yvonne Kason reports in her book, A Farther Shore, that people who have had
>STE's - spiritually transformative experiences - begin to have stronger
>ethical convictions. This sounds great, and it is, but in actuality it also
>can lead to a lack of tolerance. (Throwing over the money changers tables
>out side of the temple type stuff.) I am still fairly peaceful but don't
- >like this growing streak of righteousness in me. I never liked it in others
>and now, low and behold, I seem to have it too. I don't display it much,
>but people who used to seem garden variety nuerotic to me now seem downright
>unethical and I am often tempted to let them know that they are. Not fun.
CN>Any thoughts? Experiences to report? Anybody think it's just a stage we go
>through?
* 1st 2.00 #7384 * Deal with it before it deals with YOU!
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16 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Loved Ones Who "Don't Get It"
Subject: Re: Loved Ones Who "Don't Get It"
Lisette,
I am just starting out with my awakening, and I appreciate very
much the experience and wisdom that you share here. Yes, it was an
intense relationship that came and went - faster than the speed of
light, it seemed. I experienced the flow of K energy during sex with
him. I think his ego told him this feeling was all because he was so
"good in bed". Even *he* admitted it had never felt like that before.
I firmly believe that the Universe will bring me someone who is
more open to deep feeling and with whom I can repeat this experience
with someday.
Where can I read more about how shakti causes all these rapid
changes. They are happening daily; I can hardly keep up with them.
Is shakti from Hinduism, Buddhism, or no religion...? The karma period
in my life is actually gone?? I feel so different...
Thanks - you and others here are helping me a lot!
Melody
Reno, NV.
LE>Shaktipat is the descend of shakti, when kundalini gets awakened and a
>lot of changes start happening in ones life.
>Precisely, when one gets shaktipat, the shakti starts working on you for
- >your betterment and enlightenment. It can dissolve harmful relationships
>in no time. It works in mysterious ways, but for good. That guy seems to
>be a jerk and if he does that, why the hell do you want him
>around???...This karmatic period in your life is gone and the shakti
>will work on your self esteem. I am intruding because you asked, and
>because I have seen a lot of experiences where people with k, start of
>dissolve relationships with the speed of light. Be patient, if it is
>meant to be, your soul partner will arrive.. just like in the
>fairytales.
- * 1st 2.00 #7384 * It is by transpersonal intuition that we can evolve.
17 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Tolerance of Others
Dan,
- Please explain this to me. What are small STEs and what are major
STEPs?
Thank you,
Melody
P.S. Your patience with me is appreciated. My awakening only recently
began and I need all the guidance I can get to keep up with the rapid
changes.
DN>I dont mean small STEs have become major STEPs, I mean, that what we USED to
>get was lots of small STEs, nowadays, we dont get those, we get major STEPs
>instead.
* 1st 2.00 #7384 * The spirit speaks poetically, but man understands literally.
18 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96
From: daljeet.sidhuATNOSPAMtempe.vlsi.com
Subject: Tenderness in heart
I have lately started feeling extreme tenderness in the
heart area. I am not sure how to handle this. It is leading
to perpetual wetness in the eyes. I also feel like hugging
every thing I see, or have. IS THIS NORMAL??
God bless us all.
-Daljeet
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19 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: Mary Knapp
Subject: Re: Words
Don't forget the ever popular "all of the above".
At 12:28 AM 9/20/96 -0700, traveler wrote:
> On the subject of words, when I made the decicion to leave my career on
>wall street, I asked my pendulum where I was to go or do. !ATNOSPAM#$% (This was a
>pretty drama-filled moment for me). It said "kundalini een." I was shocked.
>What did "een" mean? I looked it up, it was the old english form of the word
>for "eyes". I have always wondered about "kundalini eyes".
>
>As a writer, I see the world through a certain lens. Could that be it?
>
>Or is it the obsession with the third eye that we often seem to have? Or is
>it the image of the seeing eye that I use over and over in my fairy tale?
->
>Or is it the name Ian, that I have now made an important aspect of what I do?
>
>Patti
>
>
>
Mary,
The Reluctant Earthling
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20 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: Mary Knapp
Subject: Re: Increased Righteousness
Thanks John. It is nice to know there are others who are challenged by this
phenomena as well.
At 08:39 AM 9/19/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Mary,
> i too understand the ethical improvement brought about by k. i feel
>at times that the most ethical people i am around are nothing but fakes
>because they are motivated by external rules, like the ten commandments,
>bible, etc. i seem to find that i internally follow those guidlines
>without considering if i am allowed to do this or not.
>
>your right. about being judgemental about others. i feel that this is
>something we have to work through in order to evolve.
->
>
>john
>reikiATNOSPAMhhs.net
>
>
>
>
Mary,
The Reluctant Earthling
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21 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: RE: Increased Righteousness
Subject: RE: Increased Righteousness
My new friend, Gloria Joy Greco, who "coincidentally" found me in
our town through this list, wrote a book on this exact subject!
She told me the title is, _Good and Evil in Our Time_ and it's all
about detachment.
Melody
P.S. Hi Gloria - sorry I could not make it to the meeting last night.
I was preparing for a very important job interview today. But I drove
by and it looked like there were a lot of cars there. How did it go?
When is the next one? Please stay in touch.
-
Tim wrote to Mary (in part):
TW>As we evolve spiritually, we become more aware of the illusion and folly
>that most people manifest. "Good" and "bad" are just a viewpoint because al
>things further one in this life. As our awareness of folly in others
>increases, so does our awareness of it in ourselves and this is why
>_detachment_ and _balance_ are so important. When we view all the folly
>with detachment is when we _see_ that all things are learning experiences
>and choose to give others freedom and space to be whatever they want to
- >be at the time.
* 1st 2.00 #7384 * Life:A sexually transmitted disease with 100% fatality rate.
22 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996
From: Dan Gahlinger
Subject: Re: Tolerance of Others
At 08:26 PM 9/19/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Dan,
> Please explain this to me. What are small STEs and what are major
>STEPs?
I thought you said you had read Dr. Kason's book? thats why I used those
terms. You even used STE yourself, so I only assumed you knew. Sorry about
that. Anyhow this is in "A Farther Shore" but here it is for you:
STE=Spiritually Transformative Experience
STEP=Spiritually Transformative Experience Peak
equate a small STE to say from a sentance to a page. Equate an average STE
with say a few pages to say a small novel. A STEP to say an average novel to
say the average dictionary, and a major STEP from say the average dictionary
to say the encyclopedia Britanica. I just thought this up off the top of my
head as an analogy. dont worry about it, it has no real value, just as a
point of reference here, it is probably actually completely incorrect.
>Thank you,
>Melody
>P.S. Your patience with me is appreciated. My awakening only recently
>began and I need all the guidance I can get to keep up with the rapid
>changes.
oh no problem at all. hopefully this helps others too. read recent threads
back a ways. i had my k only about 2 months ago...
Dan.
There are always possibilities...