kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 144 

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Fwd: grounding the k

>It's been on my mind to ask these days. What happens to me is that during a
>conversation, I mean to use a word and then another comes out. Like saying
>bogus instead of bogey, words that are not that dissimilar but that mean
>something very different, something that has nothing to do with the subject.
>That's scary, brainwise.
>
>Love to all.
>
>SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com

yep. for a while i kept say "incredulous" for "incredible" and "swarthy"
for "surly". both of which have become jokes between me and my huband. "my,
you are looking incredulously surly today!"

tee hee hee

lia



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: oops

sorry,i sent a bunch of stuff through my husband's email

edATNOSPAMquadrant.net is really me: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net

lia



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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: mabATNOSPAMrio.com (Margaret A. Blaine)
Subject: transposing words

    To the person who is transposing words bogus for bogey.
    I heard a Jean Houstin tape on New Dimensions radio which talked about
this.  It was Michael Toms interview with Jean Houstin.  She said that
Margaret Mead was having that problem and came to her and she told her to
get more exercise.  The problems went away.  Hope this helps.
-                                  Margaret



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

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From: David S.                 \ Microsoft Network: (SUPER-SLAYER)
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

Hello,

     My name is David, I am 21 years old and live in Denver, CO.
Let me briefly tell you of my experience with Kundalini.  I have a
state of energy in my body which is constantly in flux.  It changes
depending on who I am with.  When alone, the energy is contained in 
meditation and exercises, but it is constantly distracted and restless.
I often have night dreams with kundalini metaphors and chakra-like
tunnels that take me to strange places.  My kundalini seems to be most
active when I am in the prescence of enlightened beings, or those of
great talents and wisdom.  Sometimes I experience an enlightening sense
of well being, but at other times my energy reacts violently.  When
It becomes violent, I feel helpless and out of control. The energy 
rushes up through my legs, with a lifting feeling, and electricity 
bursts through my spine making me almost convulse. I attribute this to
some kind of strange and primordial communication between souls that
reaches deeper and is more basic than telepathy.  It is like seeing that
person's soul, and them seeing yours. It has an odd, yet brutal honesty
to it, exiting and unpredictable.  
Please suggest to me what might be happening.

Thank You,
David S.


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It was completely fruitless to quarrel with the world, whereas
the quarrel with oneself was occasionally fruitful, and always,
she had to admit, interesting.
May Sarton



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: ADMIN:  List change

Dear Listmembers,

A change has been made to the list whereby only members are allowed to post.
 This is to eliminate the problem of annoying junk-email messages.  If you
send a post from an account other than the one which is subscribed to the
list, the post will not appear.

Richard

It was completely fruitless to quarrel with the world, whereas
the quarrel with oneself was occasionally fruitful, and always,
she had to admit, interesting.
May Sarton



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Mike Parr 
Subject: Re: Astanga Yoga and K

Re- Li's comments
 
>
> >
> >'Gaze points' are associated with each pose.  e.g a point might
> >be - navel, or tip of nose, or 3rd eye....
> 
> i was taught to watch the "brain diaphragm" in an Iyengar course.
> >
> >A gentle lower abdominal contraction is (attempted to be)
> >maintained throughout the session, and so also is 'mula
> >bandha'.  In astanga, this is not a strong contraction, and
> >the idea is that eventually it homes in on the perineum.  This
> >is taught from the start, unlike some other approaches.
> 
> i have never heard this and am intruigued. could you explain why this is or
> offer some literature on it?
-
There is  a good non-esoteric description of it in 'Power Yoga'  by
B.B. Birch  The locks are relatively gentle, and uddiyana is  particularly so
compared to the contractions that are done as a stend-alone exercise - so it
is not as impossible as it sounds to do the physical bit - the attention
however..The idea seems to be that energy is lifted upwards, with the breath.


> >
> >Does it 'work' ?  Well, I found other yoga and K approaches difficult
> >to stick to, and astanga has given me an intro to the kind
> >of energy flow and chakra stuff involved;
> >
> > but I think that each person might need an
> >approach that suits *them*.
> 
> exactly. like i said above.
> 
> Lia
> 
-
Mike



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Death Of Ego

So everyone, what exactly happens when the ego dies? I mean, I hate to ask
it this way, but what does it FEEL like?

to me it seems it would be a rather painful thing, perhaps cause a nervous
breakdown, or whatever.

as a person who seems to be about to enter this occurance (by the end of
this month), I'd like to know what i'm getting myself into, and maybe by
doing so it wont be as much of a shock as my k was. :)

as to the premonition of my death, yes, it seems it was referring to my ego,
which feels so far very much like the death of the self. hmmm....
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

Richard Satin wrote:
> 
> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
> From: David S.                 \ Microsoft Network: (SUPER-SLAYER)
> 
> Hello,
> 
>      My name is David, I am 21 years old and live in Denver, CO.
> Let me briefly tell you of my experience with Kundalini.  I have a
> state of energy in my body which is constantly in flux.  It changes
> depending on who I am with.  When alone, the energy is contained in
> meditation and exercises, but it is constantly distracted and restless.
> I often have night dreams with kundalini metaphors and chakra-like
> tunnels that take me to strange places.  My kundalini seems to be most
> active when I am in the prescence of enlightened beings, or those of
> great talents and wisdom.  Sometimes I experience an enlightening sense
> of well being, but at other times my energy reacts violently.  When
> It becomes violent, I feel helpless and out of control. The energy
> rushes up through my legs, with a lifting feeling, and electricity
> bursts through my spine making me almost convulse. I attribute this to
> some kind of strange and primordial communication between souls that
> reaches deeper and is more basic than telepathy.  It is like seeing that
> person's soul, and them seeing yours. It has an odd, yet brutal honesty
> to it, exiting and unpredictable.
> Please suggest to me what might be happening.
> 
> Thank You,
> David S.
> 
> ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------
> 
> It was completely fruitless to quarrel with the world, whereas
> the quarrel with oneself was occasionally fruitful, and always,
> she had to admit, interesting.
> May Sarton

DAVID,
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ARE HAVING A KUNDALINI ERUPTION WHEN THE ENERGY IS
RELEASED IN THAT WAY, WHEN THAT HAPPENS IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING IN
MORE ENERGY THEN YOUR BODY CAN ASSIMILATE AT THAT TIME, YOU RIDE THAT
OUT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE WAYS TO CHANGE THE PATTERN WHICH IS WHY YOU
MEDIATE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PERSONAL UNDERSTANDING OF DIVINE
WILL IN YOUR LIFE, THEN YOU GO INTO THAT ENERGY, WHICH IS THE  HOLY
SPIRIT WORKING WITH YOU AS YOUR TEACHER. IN THIS CAPACITY YOU ARE NOT
ALONE TO BE CARRIED ALONG WITH THE WIND, RATHER YOU ARE BEING HELPED
FROM WITHIN DURING ALL PHASES OF EVERY EXPERIENCE. REMEMBER, THE
MEDIATION IS TO RAISE THE FREQUENCY OF THE BODY. WHEN THE BODY BECOMES
PURE AND FILLED WITH LIGHT THE ROUGH EDGES ARE GONE, YOUR BODY AND
EHERGIES WORK IN HARMONY. I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU, TAKE IT INSIDE AND
MEDIATE ON "BE STILL AND KNOW I AM GOD".
-


Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Spiritual Emergence Network

All,
        I am in a small subgroup list that we call "Spirit"
and I wanted to share here about a resource I found called
The Spiritual Emergence Network. It is a contact center in California
that you can call and get the number of a "Listener" or of a
clinician who is experienced and supportive of spiritual emergence.
Their phone number is (408) 426-0902. Sometimes they have a recording
on, but I got a live person today. I am now the contact "Listener"
for Northern Nevada. I don't know much about the Network yet,
but they are sending me information in the mail. I sincerely
hope it is not a front for Scientology, so I would not want to
lead anyone astray. I will let you know more when I get their
packet in the mail.
-
Melody
melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Death Of Ego

I think that is part of the goal of the Kundalini awakening. To get passed
the ego and closer to God within ourselves. You know the emotional stuff
it may or may not have directly or indirectly put me through, but my guru
said, we are in control and we can control how fast we want to profgress.
Sometimes, I've regretted having it awakened, but I know it doesn't happen
by accident. If it's meant to be, it happens and I would have to say,
though I may deny saying this in times of stress, I wouldn't trade the
experience away because somehow I think it's something all people go
through one way or another over the course of lifetimes. People are being
awakened to their higher selves. This isn't easy by any meanss, but I
think it's a good thing. There's still a ways to go. but as much as we
think we travel alone, I see from this list that we are together and one.
Not perfect, we're human, remember, but we're at least trying.

Mark



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Death Of Ego

At 03:45 PM 9/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I think that is part of the goal of the Kundalini awakening. To get passed
>the ego and closer to God within ourselves. You know the emotional stuff
>it may or may not have directly or indirectly put me through, but my guru
>said, we are in control and we can control how fast we want to profgress.
>Sometimes, I've regretted having it awakened, but I know it doesn't happen
>by accident. If it's meant to be, it happens and I would have to say,
>though I may deny saying this in times of stress, I wouldn't trade the
>experience away because somehow I think it's something all people go
>through one way or another over the course of lifetimes. People are being
>awakened to their higher selves. This isn't easy by any meanss, but I
>think it's a good thing. There's still a ways to go. but as much as we
>think we travel alone, I see from this list that we are together and one.
>Not perfect, we're human, remember, but we're at least trying.

Mark, there is no such thing as God to me, I'm an atheist. And, also, please
try to stop cc-ing these messages to me. getting two of every message gets
annoying, not that i dont want your mail or anything, just two copies is a
bit excessive. i used to have this problem and had to get used to adjusting
the to: address on my replies. Wonder if Richard will ever fix this? :)

Anyhow, I was wondering if your guru perhaps had any ideas on the actual
event itself. I *WILL* have my death of my ego before the end of this month
(come hell or high water) [grin] maybe thats ego. but ego being joyous about
destroying itself is not something i'd figure. [grin]

actually i've lost just about all "ego-based" things within myself, and
statements, and I'm even starting to get REALLY annoyed at other people who
make statements which are ego-filled/based.

example: today my "friend" and I were talking, and i mentioned why not do a
remote view (long subject) into a nuclear reaction to see if its actually
tearing at our time-space continuum. something his IDOL and "god" (a guy who
wrote a book on remote viewing and "laid down the law"), could not do. Well,
my "friend" said "sorry, WE can't WE'RE NOT ready YET". to me it was a
rather egotistical statement, what's he doing including me in is little
self-limiting world? get off it already. oh well, maybe i shouldnt be so
harsh, its just that things like this are getting on my nerves more and more
now.

and i worry about how i will feel after the ego is gone. will i be able to
stand ego-based people at all, and how will this affect my job, etc etc?
these are some pretty serious things, and have a lot of manifestations and
effect on a lot of areas.

so guidance in this areas is needed from those who have been through it
(email me!). especially if it involves serious repercussions like a nervous
breakdown or something. eep!
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Quija Boards

When and where did the Ouija boards originate?  Is it just some thing 
somebody made up?  Is or was it just a form of divination?  How is it 
effected by the mood or spirit or intention of the user(s)?

Mac.

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, John Carlson wrote:

> > I have heard that Ouija Boards attract low level spirits. Some say the
> > Devil runs it. I think it's just better to be avoided because the future
> > comes soon enough.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> ATNOSPAM
> The thing that someone told me about a Ouija board sticks in my mind.
> "We threw it in the fire, and it started screaming."
> Perhaps you could try this out?
> 
> John
> 
> 



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: "Debee L. Thomas" 
Subject: Re: Quija Boards

> i read somewhere that a Ouija board is useful if you happen to connect with
> a "useful" spirit. if you connect with one who isn't so nice, you can be in
> for trouble.
> 
> i also remember reading a good thing on Ouija boards in "Harper's
> Encyclopedia of Mystical and Paranormal Experiences

I too have heard this from some who use the Ouija board quite regularly.  
However, they have told me that one must take certain percautions before 
even attempting to do so in order to insure that the spirits they connect 
with are good.  I myself don't know much about them as my one experience 
as a teen was not a good one.  I do know of others who have connected 
with very high and intelligent beings who have greatly assisted them on 
their spiritual journey in many wonderous ways.  As with most things, 
it's best to know what one is doing before attempting to play around with 
the Ouija board.

Blessed Be

Debee


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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Death Of Ego

Dan said:

        >and i worry about how i will feel after the ego is gone. will i be
able 
        >to stand ego-based people at all, 
-
They will not bother you very much at all.  They will probably seem like
little children who don't know much yet.  It is really your ego that is
bothered and is creating a racket in its 'death throes'.


        >and how will this affect my job, etc etc?


That's up to you and your ego.
-

Mary,
The Reluctant Earthling.
Who is feeling little ego *TODAY* 
but can't predict tomorrow
as there are: 
always possibilities


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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: astanga yoga and K

Mike Parr wrote:
> 
> In conventional hatha yoga (yes, there are lots of different
> approaches
> Astanga yoga uses many of the poses from Iyengar yoga
-
Did you know that B.K.S. Iyengar and Patabhi Jois (the father of modern
ashtanga) actually had the same teacher--Krishnamacharya??  The two
"forms" of yoga are really the same, with emphasis on different aspects
of the practice.  

Krishnamacharya empahsized "viniyoga"--tailoring the practice to suit
the specific abilities of the student.  He had many other famous,
influential students, including Indra Devi and Krishnamurti. In a sense
I guess you could say that this guy is almost single handedly
responsible for the spread of hatha knowledge in the west.  

His son Desikachar (sp?) has written a great book called "the Heart of
Yoga" all about his father's approach, and includes his father's
innovative modern translation of the yoga sutras of Patanjali.
> 
> there is a standard sequence of poses- you don't get into thinking
> ...hmm, what shall I do next... ?

What I think is really interesting about this (in terms of studying and
developing kundalini) is that since that practice is the same each day,
the only variable is you, and the energy you bring to it.  It creates a
kind of laboratory in which you can study kundalini and its
transformation as it matures.  
> 
In a way, I guess the approaches of Iyengar and Jois are sort of
opposite. Iyengar stresses minute perfection and detail of form, where
as in astanga they say that you should just go for it, and gradually it
will fall into place.  Classic Anal vs. Expulsive??

> 'Gaze points' are associated with each pose.  e.g a point might
> be - navel, or tip of nose, or 3rd eye....

I don't think the gazes are specific to astanga, they are just part of
the classical hatha poses that comprise the series (gaze at the naval
with down dog, etc.) 
> 
> A gentle lower abdominal contraction is (attempted to be)
> maintained throughout the session, and so also is 'mula
> bandha'.  In astanga, this is not a strong contraction, and
> the idea is that eventually it homes in on the perineum.  This
> is taught from the start, unlike some other approaches.
> 
Somebody else on this list was asking about mudras and bandhas,
("locks"), tongue on the roof of the mouth, etc. For me, using the
bandhas are kind of like working an energetic clutch, the gears don't
start to mesh untill the bandhas are engaged. In fact, they say the
whole practice is really all about moola bandha and the breath, nothing
else really matters.  Typical "Expulsive" logic!

Does it 'work' ?  Well, I found other yoga and K approaches difficult
> to stick to, and astanga has given me an intro to the kind
> of energy flow and chakra stuff involved;
> 
>  but I think that each person might need an
> approach that suits *them*.

I think that's exactly what Krishnamacharya was saying..."viniyoga"

I met a woman in an astanga class in Maui last week (I went to Hawaii,
it was great!!).  She lives in London and was flying back soon.  I'll
try and get her email address if I can to hook you up...

J.



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Death Of Ego
-
At 06:34 PM 9/13/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Dan said:
>        >and i worry about how i will feel after the ego is gone. will i be
>able to stand ego-based people at all, 
>
>They will not bother you very much at all.  They will probably seem like
>little children who don't know much yet.  It is really your ego that is
>bothered and is creating a racket in its 'death throes'.

never thought of it that was. as for the "annoying little children" they
ALREADY seem that way, for at least a week now... 

>        >and how will this affect my job, etc etc?
>
>That's up to you and your ego.

my ego wont be around. i still want to know if this involved a "nervous
breakdown" or not.

Has ANYONE here ACTUALLY had their ego die yet? 

>Mary,
>The Reluctant Earthling.
>Who is feeling little ego *TODAY* 
>but can't predict tomorrow
>as there are: 
>always possibilities

hey, thats stealing my tagline (hows that for ego?)  also, Mary,
PLEASE dont cc these messages. i know the reply thing gets tricky, but all
these duplicate messages get kinda... well you know... :)
Dan.
There are always possibilities...



Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: transposing words
-
What kind of exercise would that be? Physical or mental? I'm asking because 
I'm already exercising a lot, I'm quite athletic as a matter of fact. I guess 
I had to be strong physically to go through some of this stuff. 

As you can think, brain tumor came to my mind, but I dismissed it on account 
of a lack of other symptoms.

Love to all.

-
>    To the person who is transposing words bogus for bogey.
>    I heard a Jean Houstin tape on New Dimensions radio which talked about
>this.  It was Michael Toms interview with Jean Houstin.  She said that
>Margaret Mead was having that problem and came to her and she told her to
>get more exercise.  The problems went away.  Hope this helps.
>                                  Margaret
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com