kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 143 

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Mike Parr 
Subject: astanga yoga and K

I would like to talk about the K relevance of astanga yoga
and also wondered if anyone else was using similar approaches.
-
In conventional hatha yoga (yes, there are lots of different 
approaches
Astanga yoga uses many of the poses from Iyengar yoga,but here (imho)
are the main differences:

there is a standard sequence of poses- you dont get into thinking
...hmm, what shall I do next... ?

'Gaze points' are associated with each pose.  e.g a point might
be - navel, or tip of nose, or 3rd eye....

A gentle lower abdominal contraction is (attempted to be)
maintained throughout the session, and so also is 'mula 
bandha'.  In astanga, this is not a strong contraction, and
the idea is that eventually it homes in on the perineum.  This
is taught from the start, unlike some other approaches.

Does it 'work' ?  Well, I found other yoga and K approaches difficult
to stick to, and astanga has given me an intro to the kind
of energy flow and chakra stuff involved;

 but I think that each person might need an
approach that suits *them*.

   Mike



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Jim Cook 
Subject: Quija Boards

I am just wondering if Quija Boards are a good source for information ?
I have gotten a lot of info from the Quija but a friend of mine recently
told me that him and his wife were using the board one night and
suddenly, they were both lifted off the floor and thrown against the wall.
Any thoughts or info on Quija Boards ??

Jim
-


Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Foggy Brain

I had this a lot before and after "K".  In my case it was related to
allergies etc, and particularly too much salt in the system.  I did not have
high blood pressure, in fact it is quite low.  But it did cause me to retain
fluid around the brain as well as other areas of the body.  Taking potassium
helped.

The salt/potassium levels in the body affect every cell, and are maintained
by the adrenals which are affected by "K".  Recently my levels have returned
to normal, but it is 4 years into the process for me.

Love Jule


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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: re:  Foggy Brain

I've had periods of this from hormones, k, or most likely a circular 
interaction between the two.  This was most disturbing to me at first 
because I was very prideful about my crack memory and analytic skills.  
But a friend mentioned that I might have to loosen my hold on that sort 
of thinking ability (and my ego about it) in order to deepen other ways 
of knowing.  She was right.  The short-term memory loss that increases 
with age is a blessing because I so often lose track of what I was 
ruminating about, drop it, and return to the present!

But I think Jule's remarks about checking out metabolic reasons should 
come first.

Holly


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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Colds and Foggy Brain


Hello there,

It's amazing when you get a cold how the ego tries to take over.
Always wanting to wallow in the pain.
-
I'm coming down with something, and I look up saying what was I thinking.
Poor me.  But It's just a cold.  Now that I'm writing this I'm smiling.

You get that foggy brain with a cold and the ego says, "Hey, here's a little
room for me to move into and take control".

And all of the sudden I start paying attention to what I'm really doing and
this fogginess disappears.

Thanks for listening.

Peace and Love,
John Halonen



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Grounding
-
John Halonen wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What exactly does grounding do?
> I thought it meant you have positive energy flowing in you,
> but when you ground yourself the energy flows within and without you, or
> through you.
> And it is greatly enhanced.
> I have heard of closing your chakras so energy depletion doesn't happen, but
> never for grounding.
> But I'm still young :)
> 
> I would assume that possitive energy comes from above, you are the neutral,
> and the earth energy is your ground.  You don't necassarily have to touch
> the earth to be grounded to this energy. You just need a focus.
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> Thanks for starting this ori. :)
> 
> Peace and love,
> John Halonen

John,
When I use the word ground, it means to me balance and sit centered in
Divine Will. This way neither positive or negative charges will cause a
reaction. In mediation much of the energy exchange from cosmic to soul
is around centering and bringing awareness and consciousness into the
conscious mind. In this process transformation occurs. This is the way I
move with light, always absorbed into the dance of spirit. Gloria



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Grounding

lia pas wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >What exactly does grounding do?
> >I thought it meant you have positive energy flowing in you,
> >but when you ground yourself the energy flows within and without you, or
> >through you.
> >And it is greatly enhanced.
> 
> that's what i've always thought.
> 
> >I have heard of closing your chakras so energy depletion doesn't happen, but
> >never for grounding.
> >But I'm still young :)
> 
> i was always under the impression that closing your chakras during
> grounding was not good, that you need to let the earth energy up through
> your feet and your entire body in order to be completely grounded.
> 
> i am curious to know about this closing of the chakras during grounding
> 
> >  You don't necassarily have to touch
> >the earth to be grounded to this energy. You just need a focus.
> >
> this is true. imaginging long read root growing from my feet has always
> helped me.
> 
> blessed be
> lia
-
Lia,
Again my intention maybe a little different then what is understood. The
first grounding that takes place is through the base/earth charka. That
means we become aware/energized through our connection to the earth, but
as we travel into higher dimensions and see beyond nature, our frequency
changes. The seed sounds of the higher chakra's move you into the
energies of divine will, this is where the real centering takes place.
What do you know of this? Gloria

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Grounding

Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> 
> At 09:37 PM 9/11/96 -0600, you wrote:
> >>Hello,
> >>I have heard of closing your chakras so energy depletion doesn't happen, but
> >>never for grounding.
> >>But I'm still young :)
> >
> >i was always under the impression that closing your chakras during
> >grounding was not good, that you need to let the earth energy up through
> >your feet and your entire body in order to be completely grounded.
> >
> >i am curious to know about this closing of the chakras during grounding
> 
> ok everyone here you go. Direct quote from "A Farther Shore" ISBN:
> 0-00-638053-0, Chapter 15, page 264 Section Titled: "Grounding Strategies",
> by Dr. Yvonne Kason, one of the foremost authorities on such a subject (if
> there is such a thing): I hope she doesnt sue me because of this! :)
> 
> "The term "grounding" conveys the importance of mentally having one's feet
> on the ground and of remaining centered and connected to the physical world..."
> 
> "strategies:
> 
> 1. stop meditating
> 2. decrease all forms of concentration
> 3. keep prayers very brief
> 4. decrease amounts of reading
> ...etc...
> 21. visualize your chakras closing up...
> 22. visualize your energies withdrawing from your head region...
> ...etc..."
> 
> there you go. i cut it down to the opening parts of it, the full text is
> rather long, and i'd rather try to avoid a copyright infringement suit if
> I'm able  so for more details, buy the book, it explains it all, in
> lengthy detail, including the part about closing up the chakras, etc. It
> also explains why this is necessary.
> Dr. Kason, if you ever read this message, I'll talk to you about it
> in-session in two weeks anyhow. :)
> Dan.
> There are always possibilities...

Why would a person do this? I would have to look at it, however, it is
opposite of the way I work with people. Anyone who is really out of
balance needs to become centered mentally and emotionally, which the
best way of doing this is through alignment to Divine Will. Gloria



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Atheists

SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> When I was able to read my past lives I was extremely surprised.  I am a
> devout Christian seemingly in this life, but found that I had been anything
> but Christian in my other lives.  You name it I had probably been it.  This
> is probably true for all of us.
> 
> Whatever we think we are now  It is only a tiny part of the picture. Some of
> those who have had involved NDE's come back with the same story.  Religion
> doesn't matter, but love and knowledge does.
> 
> So as far as I am concerned if someone is an atheist, they may have chosen
> this experience in this lifetime, for their own ultimate growth, just as I
> chose to be a Christian because I needed to tie together certain strands into
> one format.
> 
> When we have all lived for eternities already, we have no way of knowing why
> another is presenting their particular mask to us this time around.
> 
> Love Jule

Jule and others,
	The question of religion isn't really what is important, because we
aren't talking about an intellectual experience, but when one comes to
know the Christ, and the recognizes the teachings, it goes far beyond
the boundaries of religion. One becomes spirit filled, and that is with
or without a church or someone to tell you what to think or believe.
Yet, when the inner teacher is in control, there is no reason to deny
religions, churchs or teachers. Truth is truth, no matter where it comes
from. Thoughts are the real enemies here, thoughts and judgements.
Gloria



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Fwd: grounding the k

lia pas wrote:
> 
> >From: Margaret A. Blaine       \ Internet:    (mabATNOSPAMrio.com)
> 
> >     I have been concerned about foggy brain and having trouble with memory.
> >Is anyone else having this?
> >                           Margaret B.
> 
> i've noticed very foggy brain in the past couple months. i thought it was
> hormones from having had a baby, but its been going on way too long for it
> to be that. i'm a writer and sometimes find i have this idea in my head and
> the fog just surrounds the whole thing that i can't get the right words out
> for it. very frustrating.
> 
> anyone else?
> 
> lia

Lia,
Believe me what you need to do is check out biomagnetics. What it does
for clear one pointedness is totally wonderful. I am normally pretty
focused, but I can do 3 times a much now in a real short period of time.
My mediation group have all experienced the same thing. Plus because you
sleep so deep into that rem sleep area, you wake up and you are totally
in the now. Wonderful. Send snail mail if you want info. Gloria



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Quija Boards

Jim Cook wrote:
> 
> I am just wondering if Quija Boards are a good source for information ?
> I have gotten a lot of info from the Quija but a friend of mine recently
> told me that him and his wife were using the board one night and
> suddenly, they were both lifted off the floor and thrown against the wall.
> Any thoughts or info on Quija Boards ??
> 
-

> Jim

Jim,
HI, When I did research for my book, Good and Evil IN Our Times, the
show the Exorcist was an actual experience that happened to a young man.
It all started from playing with a Quija board after his Aunt died. He
was thinking that she was talking to him, only thing it wasn't her. And
what transpired in the movie was quite accurate. This is not a rare
thing at all it is documented many times. We are in a time of great
activity and much more is happening now. Gloria 

Go inside, you don't need that kind of crutch.God Bless



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Foggy Brain
-
SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> I had this a lot before and after "K".  In my case it was related to
> allergies etc, and particularly too much salt in the system.  I did not have
> high blood pressure, in fact it is quite low.  But it did cause me to retain
> fluid around the brain as well as other areas of the body.  Taking potassium
> helped.
> 
> The salt/potassium levels in the body affect every cell, and are maintained
> by the adrenals which are affected by "K".  Recently my levels have returned
> to normal, but it is 4 years into the process for me.
> 
> Love Jule

I had a hair analysis done which showed all of the toxic minerals and
imblances that were in the body. This is a wonderful thing to do if you
are having any problems, it is called nutrimental analysis. It is pretty
new, but well worth learning about. Some remarkable things have come
about because of it. Gloria
-


Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Colds and Foggy Brain

John Halonen wrote:
> 
> Hello there,
> 
> It's amazing when you get a cold how the ego tries to take over.
> Always wanting to wallow in the pain.
> 
> I'm coming down with something, and I look up saying what was I thinking.
> Poor me.  But It's just a cold.  Now that I'm writing this I'm smiling.
> 
> You get that foggy brain with a cold and the ego says, "Hey, here's a little
> room for me to move into
> and take control".
> 
> And all of the sudden I start paying attention to what I'm really doing and
> this fogginess disappears.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
> Peace and Love,
> John Halonen


Please don't just accept all of this as necessary, look at alternatives.
Magnetics change the environment of the body, and the healing process
increases so drastically you wouldn't believe it. Gloria



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Scary Stuff

HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> This post is a request for perspective from you all about a troubling aspect
> of my awakening.  In the beginning, it seemed there was a demonic energy that
> got attached to the process.  In fact, it wanted to kill me and I ended up
> having a full-on exorcism, even though until that time I wouldn't have even
> said that such demons exist.
> 
> Afterward, there was release, and since then an underlying feeling of safety
> and bliss.  Often the K takes the form of pranic "breath of fire."  Extra
> rapid, automatic stomach breathing.  Usually that breathing is expansive and
> increases the flow of energy through my body.  I almost always welcome it.
> 
> Last night, I had finished a vigorous round of basketball and was taking a
> bath.  The breathing started up.  I was cooling off on the balcony.  The
> energy took over in its expansiveness and moved me toward the railing.  This
> had only happened long before, like six months ago, during the scariest
> times, and not since my heart had fully opened.
> 
> Anyway, I let the energy have me stretch over the balcony, and even straddle
> the balcony and have me sit on the rim, to see if it would stop without any
> controlling interference from me.  It wouldn't.  My clear understanding was
> that if I continued to surrender to it, it would stand atop the railing and
> leap off.  Not in some angry way, but in a kind of inflated, falsely
> omnipotent way.  If such a leap didn't kill me, it would least cause serious
> injury.
> 
> So I'm having a little trouble dealing with this.  It challenges my sense of
> trust about the K and how it is working in me.  This seems to be a call for
> more intervention of the ego, not less, which is confusing.  I guess mostly,
> after all this time, I'm frustrated and concerned that there's still a
> potentially harmful aspect of this process.  And, I'm concerned about how to
> tell the difference.  And what to do about it.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts and suggestions you have.  I'm safe, and
> well-supported, but this part isn't in books and feels very challenging.
> 
> Howard

Howard,
There is something going on here beyond kundalini, I would do some real
work on detachment and work on alignment with divine will. Where God's
Will is manifest those energies don't take control. So what needs to be
done? Tell me what is going on in your life, this can be on a one to one
if you wish. I have a real sense that some other forces are manipulating
you and came in at some point and have remained. Consider getting my
book, it is very unusual in that it is all a teaching in detachment, and
the reader experiences the changes in frequency. So much of my training
has been on recognizing the forces of light and dark. This is not
information that is out there since most people deny the forces. Because
of the changing times we are in, people really need to wake up to the
realities. Those who are not experiencing the energies are most likely
in a comfortable pattern that is not of interest to lower forces. There
is much here to become aware of, from fearlessness and not from fear.
Truth is always freeing. Let me know if I can help. If you want my book
you will have to get me snail mail. Gloria



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Kunda=Love; Invitation to post; Energy circuits

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, ori^ wrote:

> A few people have mentioned the practice of placing the tongue on
> the roof of the mouth.  Prior to this list I had not heard of that
> practice.

I could be mistaken, but, I think that is a buhdist practice.
-
Mac.



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Is this all there is? Is this all there is, my friend? Cause if....

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com wrote:
-
> > and by the way, not to be harsh or anything, but I am an atheist you know
> 
> I know I sure as hell didn't make me! And I also know that whatever did, ...is a 
> hell of a lot smarter than I am!....
> 

For what I seem to be experiencing, thinking or feeling lately;

it may be closer to the truth to be an atheist, and yet still believe.
-
Mac.




Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Quija Boards

I have heard that Ouija Boards attract low level spirits. Some say the
Devil runs it. I think it's just better to be avoided because the future
comes soon enough.

Mark



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: John Carlson 
Subject: Re: Quija Boards 

> I have heard that Ouija Boards attract low level spirits. Some say the
> Devil runs it. I think it's just better to be avoided because the future
> comes soon enough.
> 
> Mark
> 
ATNOSPAM
The thing that someone told me about a Ouija board sticks in my mind.
"We threw it in the fire, and it started screaming."
Perhaps you could try this out?

John



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Animal thanks and grounding
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Especially to Christine, Lissette and Tim,

Thank you for your help in coping with and interpreting my animal sightings
(etc).  I was *much* comforted by your responses.

Today is, of course, a much different day.  Is this the way it is with
certain stages of K, like an emotional and energetic roller coaster?

My energies have been so low lately I am coming to think that not
meditating> is a bad way to ground ones self.  I feel I have grounded too
much and am in a grieving depression sometimes. Too disconnected from the
Source.

Thanks again for the much needed support,
Mary



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Dolce Vita 
Subject: Re: Quija Boards

Hi 
Ouija boards are dangerous, I would keep away from them.  You not only 
pick up spirits who are searching, and in darkness, but also some that 
are in great distress that pass the stuff to you. I would keep away from 
it altogether. I had experiences where I communicated with some loved 
ones, but also I've also heard of bad experiences, of predictions of 
deaths and they were right, I wouldn't want to know, would you?
Love n'light
(Sounds like a flavor of  ice cream)


Lissette



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Quija Boards 

I have no interest in Ouija Boards. I was just responding to your
question. Perhaps you should follow your own advice or don't ask
questions. 



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: grounding the k

It's been on my mind to ask these days. What happens to me is that during a 
conversation, I mean to use a word and then another comes out. Like saying 
bogus instead of bogey, words that are not that dissimilar but that mean 
something very different, something that has nothing to do with the subject. 
That's scary, brainwise.

Love to all.

-
>>From: Margaret A. Blaine       \ Internet:    (mabATNOSPAMrio.com)
>
>
>>     I have been concerned about foggy brain and having trouble with
> memory.
>>Is anyone else having this?
>>                           Margaret B.
>
>i've noticed very foggy brain in the past couple months. i thought it was
>hormones from having had a baby, but its been going on way too long for it
>to be that. i'm a writer and sometimes find i have this idea in my head and
>the fog just surrounds the whole thing that i can't get the right words out
>for it. very frustrating.
>
>anyone else?
>
>lia
>
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: astanga yoga and K

>I would like to talk about the K relevance of astanga yoga
>and also wondered if anyone else was using similar approaches.
-
yoga has helped me in dealing with K alot. however, i found ashtanga didn't
work for me as well as the Iyengar approach. I think it has to do more with
body type (vata, pitta, kapha) than anything else. I found Iyengar alot
more dynamic for me, so it seems to work better with my body, others
porbably find other approaches work better.
>
>In conventional hatha yoga (yes, there are lots of different
>approaches
>Astanga yoga uses many of the poses from Iyengar yoga,but here (imho)
>are the main differences:
>
>there is a standard sequence of poses- you dont get into thinking
>...hmm, what shall I do next... ?

in Iyengar's "Light on Yoga" there is a course at the back so you don't
have to think about what to do next, but true, there is no standard
sequence.

>
>'Gaze points' are associated with each pose.  e.g a point might
>be - navel, or tip of nose, or 3rd eye....

i was taught to watch the "brain diaphragm" in an Iyengar course.
>
>A gentle lower abdominal contraction is (attempted to be)
>maintained throughout the session, and so also is 'mula
>bandha'.  In astanga, this is not a strong contraction, and
>the idea is that eventually it homes in on the perineum.  This
>is taught from the start, unlike some other approaches.
-
i have never heard this and am intruigued. could you explain why this is or
offer some literature on it?
>
>Does it 'work' ?  Well, I found other yoga and K approaches difficult
>to stick to, and astanga has given me an intro to the kind
>of energy flow and chakra stuff involved;
>
> but I think that each person might need an
>approach that suits *them*.
-
exactly. like i said above.

Lia



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Quija Boards
-
>I am just wondering if Quija Boards are a good source for information ?
>I have gotten a lot of info from the Quija but a friend of mine recently
>told me that him and his wife were using the board one night and
>suddenly, they were both lifted off the floor and thrown against the wall.
>Any thoughts or info on Quija Boards ??
>
>Jim

i read somewhere that a Ouija board is useful if you happen to connect with
a "useful" spirit. if you connect with one who isn't so nice, you can be in
for trouble.

i also remember reading a good thing on Ouija boards in "Harper's
Encyclopedia of Mystical and Paranormal Experiences

lia