kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 142 

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: ori^ 
Subject: Re: grounding

At 11:10 PM 9/10/96 -0400, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>My grounding info is not grounding as in, getting connected to ground, like
>earth, but "Grounding" activities as in energy like negative, positive,
>ground. get it? anyhow.

No. I don't get it.  Can you say more?  What do you mean by "negative,
postive, ground?"


>its from Dr. Kason's book "a farther shore", talks about closing the
>chakras, etc. she even mentioned for me to do these in session last time. i
>just cant, i find it utterly insane to even think about it!
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Even though Dr. Kason may be an authority in the area, this does not mean 
there is only one way to do or interpret things.  I've tried to think of
"authority" as one who is the "author" of their own experience.  And we 
each have it in us to be the authors of our own experience, drawing from 
the knowledge of others about what works... and what doesn't work... 
*for us.*

Sometimes it is difficult to hold a view different from one we respect,
or one we have gone to for assistance, but to be the author of our own
experience... sometimes this is necessary.  Just as the child must draw
on the authority of the parents but then move on to create their own life, 
so must we do the same with those we encounter in our adult lives. 


One view,
ori^



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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: "Rondi McBoyer" 
Subject: Sorry

Well, it should be obvious to all that I am not a computer genius, this was
supposed to go to Mark, privately.  My sincere apologies to all who wasted
time reading this...Please forgive.
I think I'll go back to just reading things.Rondi



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: "Rondi McBoyer" 
Subject: Mapping

Hi Folks!
Sometime ago Mary Knapp and I started a project to see if we could make any
lines connecting all of us list members to each other on a map.  We wanted
to find out if there was any correlation between where we all lived in the
world and the energy we all seem to be feeling.  About 25 people
volunteered to tell us where they lived and those responces are waiting for
me to come up with a map.  I am afraid I have(once again) bitten off more
than I can chew, I am not as computer literate as I thought I was, and am
asking for help getting a map on the list before I throw this thing out a
window and really make my own life miserable.
For you new folks, if you would like to contiblute your place, send it to
me, Rondi    nicnor ATNOSPAMnh.ultranet.com and I will forward it to Mary.  Only
folks who tell us where they are will get a copy of the map.  We are not
sending any information anywhere except to listmembers, it is just for our
use.
Anyone who can help me please email me.  Thanks to all,Rondi

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Dealing with the Scary Stuff

This post is a request for perspective from you all about a troubling aspect
of my awakening.  In the beginning, it seemed there was a demonic energy that
got attached to the process.  In fact, it wanted to kill me and I ended up
having a full-on exorcism, even though until that time I wouldn't have even
said that such demons exist.

Afterward, there was release, and since then an underlying feeling of safety
and bliss.  Often the K takes the form of pranic "breath of fire."  Extra
rapid, automatic stomach breathing.  Usually that breathing is expansive and
increases the flow of energy through my body.  I almost always welcome it.

Last night, I had finished a vigorous round of basketball and was taking a
bath.  The breathing started up.  I was cooling off on the balcony.  The
energy took over in its expansiveness and moved me toward the railing.  This
had only happened long before, like six months ago, during the scariest
times, and not since my heart had fully opened.

Anyway, I let the energy have me stretch over the balcony, and even straddle
the balcony and have me sit on the rim, to see if it would stop without any
controlling interference from me.  It wouldn't.  My clear understanding was
that if I continued to surrender to it, it would stand atop the railing and
leap off.  Not in some angry way, but in a kind of inflated, falsely
omnipotent way.  If such a leap didn't kill me, it would least cause serious
injury.
-
So I'm having a little trouble dealing with this.  It challenges my sense of
trust about the K and how it is working in me.  This seems to be a call for
more intervention of the ego, not less, which is confusing.  I guess mostly,
after all this time, I'm frustrated and concerned that there's still a
potentially harmful aspect of this process.  And, I'm concerned about how to
tell the difference.  And what to do about it.

Thanks for any thoughts and suggestions you have.  I'm safe, and
well-supported, but this part isn't in books and feels very challenging.
-
Howard 



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: [[[[A Hallmark Moment

Hi (k)ites:
All right you heavy hitters. Enough downer stuff, ponderous stuff, 
philosophical stuff, depressing stuff, and just stuffy stuff!! Here is 
one to tickle your funny bone, it did mine  =-).

As a generalization, men and women view the social phenomenon known as 
'shopping' in two diametrically opposite ways. Women tend to view it as 
one of the exquisite delights of life, to be savored, prolonged, 
relished, and indulged in whenever the opportunity presents itself; men 
see, instead, a form of hell-on-earth, a purgatory of misery, an 
onerous chore, a form of human suffering that the world would do well 
to have less of, an unmitigated bore! In my view, one of the circles of 
Dante's Inferno should have included the greeting card aisle 
(conversely, the other half of the same circle is located in women's 
Paradisio, odd, eh =-).

Sunday, September 8 found my wife and me standing eyeball-deep in the 
greeting card aisle. Karen started pulling cards down one at a time, 
reading every word, and moving on to the next one. I could see time 
stretching ad infinitum and me growing older before this chore was 
over. Suddenly, all of the cards on the rack seemed to dull and one 
stood out like there was a spotlight on it. I grabbed it and handed it 
to Karen without looking at it. She opened it, read it, and much to my 
delight said, this is PERFECT, it says exactly what I wanted it to, it 
is written like it was personally done for my mother!!! Oh, boy was I 
excited, only 2 minutes spent and I was going to ESCAPE from greeting 
card hell!! Then she burst my bubble by saying, "That was great, can 
you do that again, I need a belated birthday card for Bill." Time 
slowed down again, I started thinking about oubliettes where prisoners 
were thrown to be forgotten and die. I turned around to the other row 
of cards and the same thing happened! One small insignificant card 
seemed to glow from the second-from-the-bottom row. I pulled it out and 
handed it to Karen. Not only was it a perfect belated birthday card, 
the theme inside made humorous reference to a most unusual personal 
preference that this guy has - THREE MINUTES and I was out of greeting 
card hell; praise be, hallelujah!!! I am now a true believer in psychic 
phenomena - I have SEEN the light!! Who says awakenings have to have 
only serious, spiritual, straight-laced consequences. This is neat - a 
REAL Hallmark moment! =-)   =-)   =-)
    LOVE and LAUGHING LIGHT,
    DAN-RF (read that radio frequency - you were right! I do seem to be 
bristling with some kind of electrical charge =-)
    ps:on a straighter note, yesterday, while at work, Karen came down 
with one of her migraines (not just a bad headache as some think, 
actually vomiting from the pain, spots on the head so sore that they 
can't be touched for several days). She has diabetic retinopathy and so 
can't take the usual medications for the migraines and has to ride them 
out (sometimes 3 days in length) with only marginally helpful pain 
pills. Anyway, she was suffering all day until I came home - for the 
first time ever, her migraine vanished as did the usual aching tender 
surface spots on her head. She claims that from the moment I started to 
be near her, she could feel the headache diminish and finally disappear 
so completely that it was as if she had never had it. Like I said, this 
is NEAT - even for others. I hope that the headache thing continues, it 
is so painful for me to see her suffer so horribly and there be nothing 
that I can do!



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Scary Stuff

At 12:02 PM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Anyway, I let the energy have me stretch over the balcony, and even straddle
>the balcony and have me sit on the rim, to see if it would stop without any
>controlling interference from me.  It wouldn't.  My clear understanding was
>that if I continued to surrender to it, it would stand atop the railing and
>leap off.  Not in some angry way, but in a kind of inflated, falsely
>omnipotent way.  If such a leap didn't kill me, it would least cause serious
>injury.
>
>Howard 

Elementary my dear Howard, elementary.  Yes, this is serious, but I
wanted to take the "Edge" off (pun intended). yeah, that was baad...  anyhow:

the words "energy intoxication" came to mind. this is covered near the end
of Dr. Kason's book "A Farther Shore", how it manifests (many ways),
symptoms, and how to deal with it. I read it last night and i cant remember
it, because of my other transformational stuff that is going on. but it
seems to fit perfectly.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 
From: John Halonen 
Subject: Grounding
-

Hello,

What exactly does grounding do?
I thought it meant you have positive energy flowing in you, 
but when you ground yourself the energy flows within and without you, or
through you.
And it is greatly enhanced.
I have heard of closing your chakras so energy depletion doesn't happen, but
never for grounding.
But I'm still young :)

I would assume that possitive energy comes from above, you are the neutral,
and the earth energy is your ground.  You don't necassarily have to touch
the earth to be grounded to this energy. You just need a focus.

Any comments?

Thanks for starting this ori. :)
-
Peace and love,
John Halonen



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: grounding

At 07:27 AM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
>No. I don't get it.  Can you say more?  What do you mean by "negative,
>postive, ground?"

like electricity. if you connect positive to ground, you get a short. ouch!

>>its from Dr. Kason's book "a farther shore", talks about closing the
>>chakras, etc. she even mentioned for me to do these in session last time. i
>>just cant, i find it utterly insane to even think about it!
>
>Even though Dr. Kason may be an authority in the area, this does not mean 
>there is only one way to do or interpret things.  I've tried to think of
>"authority" as one who is the "author" of their own experience.  And we 
>each have it in us to be the authors of our own experience, drawing from 
>the knowledge of others about what works... and what doesn't work... 
>*for us.*

yeah, thats the trouble i have. she is such an "authority" and has even
mentioned it in session with me. i have another session near the end of the
month, so we'll see. i have some real hum-dingers to drop on her. 
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: life, the universe, everything

At 09:22 AM 9/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>First off Dan, let me say that I am impressed with the strength of your
>beliefs (more so than some religious people I know) and that I respect you
>for it.  I am not an atheist, but again, in this world there is room for
>everyone.

i hope so. we're all going to have to get along after the earth changes come
along. its interesting for you to describe my stuff the way you do.

>My reason for writing this pertains to the paragraph you wrote above.  I am
>sorry to hear of your loss and won't even state that I can possibly feel
>what that is like.  However, you wrote that no one can live without love in
>their life.  I agree with this totally.  Even though I am happily married
>and have love for and from my family, I also know I can count on the love of
>God to pull me through times when I need it (like you are going through
>now).  I just wanted to point out that religion doesn't have to be a crutch,
>but then even a crutch is necessary to help with the healing process if
>something is broken.  Support from whatever source can be a good thing.
>From the tone of your posts, it sounds like you could use some about now.

heh. yeah, i really needed, and still do, that one important thing. the love
from that person, and that person i guess .

as for the crutch stuff, please dont take this the wrong way, but part of my
thinking its like an alocoholic, is because I've challenged those
"hyper-religious" people to do something, and they cant seem to. the
challenge was to not think about or do anything religious for a week. no
church, no god, no nothing. dont talk about, nothing. they always say its
pointless, and not nessary. and yet, when you tell a drunk to stop drinking
for a week, just to see if he can do it, you get the same response. you see
what I mean? i mean, this isnt meant to imply the same thing, its just, to
me, as a complete atheist, it seems identical. my rational logical mind
tells me there is no difference between the two.

perhaps its because i dont understand the religion, and i see no value in
it, thats my personal thoughts on it, because I am an atheist i just "dont
get it", if you know what i mean. 

you see, to me, its like the old adage, although its changed over time, like
we live, we die. with or without a god, neither of these changes. in my
deepest pessimism i've often wondered about the point of it all. humans have
been around for millions of years, has it made a difference, in the BIG
picture, i mean, really? well those are philisophical questions best left
for another place and time, and besides, they are no longer "true" within
me. as a spiritualist, i now KNOW that there is "more".

and my rational mind even attacked me, turned my challenge around, saying,
ok, as an atheist stop being an atheist for a week, stop thinking about what
i believe in, and so on, so forth, the antithesis of my statement. my
logical mind suddenly realized this arguement was rediculous. i dont believe
in anything, so of course, i've gone years without thinking about whatever
it was i believed in. err... well that gets real confusing fast. :)

>May you find the love and peace you seek.

well its about 2.5 weeks away now.  thanks for the message, i hope you
dont find this one too harsh, its not meant to be. maybe there are other
atheists lurking out there, not wanting to come forward yet and share.
thinking maybe they'll get attacked like i did by some inflexible people
(email). well i hope in some way i am making it easier for us all out there.
the one most important thing we need is communication and understanding.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: [[[[A Hallmark Moment

Stampman,
-
Are you saying that we're stuffy, depressing, downers?  I'm insulted!!!  ;-)
 Just joshin'.  I enjoyed reading your post & yes, my funny bone was tickled
(although I must confess some sympathy for your wife!).

I'm having a discussion group tonight in my home, and I printed out your post
so I could read it to them as an opener!  Thanks!

And thanks for lightening us up!

Laughter & Joy back to you,  Barb



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Atheists

Hi Everyone:

When I was able to read my past lives I was extremely surprised.  I am a
devout Christian seemingly in this life, but found that I had been anything
but Christian in my other lives.  You name it I had probably been it.  This
is probably true for all of us.

Whatever we think we are now  It is only a tiny part of the picture. Some of
those who have had involved NDE's come back with the same story.  Religion
doesn't matter, but love and knowledge does. 

So as far as I am concerned if someone is an atheist, they may have chosen
this experience in this lifetime, for their own ultimate growth, just as I
chose to be a Christian because I needed to tie together certain strands into
one format.

When we have all lived for eternities already, we have no way of knowing why
another is presenting their particular mask to us this time around.

Love Jule  


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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" 
Subject: Re: Atheists

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone:
> 
> When I was able to read my past lives I was extremely surprised.  I am a
> devout Christian seemingly in this life, but found that I had been anything
> but Christian in my other lives.  You name it I had probably been it.  This
> is probably true for all of us.

I agree, and that is why we are all back here. God has set it up so that 
he will recycle you until you realize that he is in control not you. God 
will not be denied and his plan is perfect. And from what I understand, 
you go through hell to get back here!
 
Respectfully
- 
Al Perhacs




Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Scary Stuff

HowardCushATNOSPAMAOL.COM wrote:
> 
> I let the energy have me stretch over the balcony, and even straddle
> the balcony and have me sit on the rim, to see if it would stop without any
> controlling interference from me.  It wouldn't.

This (and a lot of stuff I have read on this list) sounds very astral to
me. In yoga there is a lot of emphasis place on "discernment" and
"discrimination." Recently I have come to appreciate this.

I know that, for me, it was initially very exciting to interact with all
this (Hollywood) stuff but, in the end, it turned out to be another
distraction. You get bogged down in it, and (I suspect) it just
generates more stuff that some day you will have to come to terms with.

Some one else here recently mentioned that "astral entities" are just
like people--some good, some bad, some gossipy busybodies.  You don't
open yourself up to any old person you happen to meet on the street, why
would you open yourself up to any old unseen force that happens by?

In that same post there was mention of "testing."  Why not take it a
step further?  Don't get caught up in it at all!  You don't have to.
Further, some say that preoccupation with it (good or bad) can be a
trap.

Maybe an interesting experiment would be to regularly place your focus
on clarity and stillness.  Buddhist meditation. See if, after some time,
these disturbing, bothersome elements don't just gradually drop away.  

Keep us posted!
-
Juliet



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Atheists

At 03:33 PM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone:
>
>When I was able to read my past lives I was extremely surprised.  I am a
>devout Christian seemingly in this life, but found that I had been anything
>but Christian in my other lives.  You name it I had probably been it.  This
>is probably true for all of us.

I dont know really, I dont have any past lives. this is my first "cycle", so
I cant comment really.

>Whatever we think we are now  It is only a tiny part of the picture. Some of
>those who have had involved NDE's come back with the same story.  Religion
>doesn't matter, but love and knowledge does. 

well I HAVE had an NDE, back when I was 8, so this is probably the case.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Fwd: grounding the k

>From: Margaret A. Blaine       \ Internet:    (mabATNOSPAMrio.com)


>     I have been concerned about foggy brain and having trouble with memory.
>Is anyone else having this?
>                           Margaret B.

i've noticed very foggy brain in the past couple months. i thought it was
hormones from having had a baby, but its been going on way too long for it
to be that. i'm a writer and sometimes find i have this idea in my head and
the fog just surrounds the whole thing that i can't get the right words out
for it. very frustrating.

anyone else?

lia



Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Grounding

>Hello,
>
>What exactly does grounding do?
>I thought it meant you have positive energy flowing in you,
>but when you ground yourself the energy flows within and without you, or
>through you.
>And it is greatly enhanced.

that's what i've always thought.

>I have heard of closing your chakras so energy depletion doesn't happen, but
>never for grounding.
>But I'm still young :)

i was always under the impression that closing your chakras during
grounding was not good, that you need to let the earth energy up through
your feet and your entire body in order to be completely grounded.

i am curious to know about this closing of the chakras during grounding

>  You don't necassarily have to touch
>the earth to be grounded to this energy. You just need a focus.
->
this is true. imaginging long read root growing from my feet has always
helped me.

blessed be
lia



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: John Marynowicz 
Subject: Re: <<<..Like I said, this 
>is NEAT - even for others. I hope that the headache thing continues, it 
>is so painful for me to see her suffer so horribly and there be nothing 
>that I can do!
>

Two very inspiring stories.

The latter is similar to something that happened between my wife and I, just
a couple of weeks ago.  She was going thru a period of emotional and
physical depression.  Over the course of two nights, during my meditation,
which I usually do after she's gone to bed, I asked, if it was right for
her, that her pain be taken away from her and saw her bathed in a bubble of
white light.

The next morning (both days) she said she had had a dream that I was hugging
her!!  Also, she felt better.  Needless to say, I was very thankful.  She
has never before mentioned a dream like that and I've never before meditated
on her quite like that.

I'm still not totally convinced that what I'm feeling is K, but every day I
see things discussed here that sound so familiar.  I say that I'm not
convinced because I've been unable to pinpoint any single momentous event.



Love and Light
John Marynowicz



Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Grounding

At 09:37 PM 9/11/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>Hello,
>>I have heard of closing your chakras so energy depletion doesn't happen, but
>>never for grounding.
>>But I'm still young :)
>
>i was always under the impression that closing your chakras during
>grounding was not good, that you need to let the earth energy up through
>your feet and your entire body in order to be completely grounded.
>
>i am curious to know about this closing of the chakras during grounding
-
ok everyone here you go. Direct quote from "A Farther Shore" ISBN:
0-00-638053-0, Chapter 15, page 264 Section Titled: "Grounding Strategies",
by Dr. Yvonne Kason, one of the foremost authorities on such a subject (if
there is such a thing): I hope she doesnt sue me because of this! :)

"The term "grounding" conveys the importance of mentally having one's feet
on the ground and of remaining centered and connected to the physical world..."

"strategies:
-
1. stop meditating
2. decrease all forms of concentration
3. keep prayers very brief
4. decrease amounts of reading
...etc...
21. visualize your chakras closing up...
22. visualize your energies withdrawing from your head region...
...etc..."

there you go. i cut it down to the opening parts of it, the full text is
rather long, and i'd rather try to avoid a copyright infringement suit if
I'm able  so for more details, buy the book, it explains it all, in
lengthy detail, including the part about closing up the chakras, etc. It
also explains why this is necessary.
Dr. Kason, if you ever read this message, I'll talk to you about it
in-session in two weeks anyhow. :)
Dan.
There are always possibilities...

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: RE: Dealing with the Scary Stuff

Howard,
	Ummmmmmm, I remember one time I was on the roof, and I had this sudden 
impulse to walk to the edge, and eat some sandwiches while I watched L.A. burn
in the distance during the riots.  It was strange because I had planned to
visit Asha Ma in Santa Monica that week, but curfew was declared. I thought
that was some weird Karma...I heard that she is really cool from a friend,
though, and I will definitely meet her in the future.  
	Hey, be good to yourself dude! Exercisms don't sound like
too much fun...I recommend surfing instead. I'm sure if some demon
was hanging out with you...then you should just experience what
is ocurring...maybe try to orient to some internal point of reference...
what will an excorcism do? Get you ready for what, tomorrow? I don't
mean to be sarcastic...yea I do *hee hee* just don't be a puss dude,
your post is pretty cool but just go for it (not saying jump off the
rail *hee hee*, just saying, trust yourself man